Does tie mean something different in your language? Sauron’s forces were defeated so utterly they would not rise again for 3 thousand motherfricking years. Hell the Germans were fricked up ag the end of ww1 and it only took them like 20 years to start over.
Yes, because they had the Last Alliance going against them aka all men and elves who mattered in the world. Those two also lost their respective kings and sent both down the path they wouldn't recover from. You also forget that Sauron was undone for a while and it took time for him to "return", so to say.
Movie plays it more dramatically, but in the books Isildur and Gil-galad fight him to a standstill until he smokes them. Literally with the latter.
I always got the impression Gil-Galad was underrated.
>Sauron approaches elves under the guise to shill them the idea of Rings >Gil-Galad immediately sees though the ruse and tells him to frick off >warns other leaders and arguably saves the elves from the same fate humans and dwarves fell to
You people am stupid and need to read a good book. Maybe try Davinsi Cod. It is really smart and actully makes you think a bit harder than you do now. If you did that youd probably understand the complexity of lord of the rings.
The Ring isn't exactly sentient. It's a part of Sauron and it has the tendency to exert influence to go back towards him, but it doesn't actively manipulate the wearer into doing it.
author was a christcuck ie plot is nonsensical fairytale shit that midwits unironically think is good BECAUSE it doesn’t make sense as if that’s some lost virtue
It's the ring mind fricking them. Makes them think it will give them the means to accomplish their goals. Completely overwhelms their common sense, their minds entirely tbh.
Indeed. "But there is no evidence of influence" etc.
Apart from making exactly the same points repeatedly and it being completely impossible for someone with Tolkien's education and interests not to have read The Republic in Latin, never mind English. I mean, he probably read it in secondary school.
it's all talk about this super awesome ring that makes anyone super powerful but all it does is makes you invisible and shows your location to sauron dick suckers so they come to kill you
the ring turns less powerful beings invisible, basically a weak ass hobbit or human isnt going to be able to bend the rings power to their will.
this is why gandalf and galadriel don't hold it for themselves, theyre so powerful that the rng would make them sauron 2.0
>the ring turns less powerful beings invisible
It's not really because they're not powerful, but because you are put into the spirit world. Elves and Maiar like Gandalf are firmly in both the spiritual and physical world, so they remain visible
It grants power based on the power of the bearer.
They can learn to harness more, but it takes a while if you are just some b***h tier hobbit.
Aragon or Gandalf or Elrond with the Ring would be crazy strong
It depends on who uses it and for what purpose. Only Galadriel and Sauron could use it to full effect, and it lets you dominate the minds of living beings. But Hobbits just turn invisible and the ring doesn't do much for them because they're unaware of it's power and evil. Dwarves are completely immune to it. The reason it turns people invisible is because they enter the Wraith world when they wear it.
> men get rings that turn them into screeching c**ts > dwarves get rings that just make them more dwarfy > elves get rings that don't do anything
LOOK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE ALRIGHT AND THERE WAS ONLY TWELVE HOURS OF SCREENTIME TO EXPLAIN IT IN
>eaten by dragons
Do the dragons get the power of the ring then?
Yes but those didn't have the effect Sauron wanted. They didn't turn into ringwraiths like the 9 men did. All it did was make them more greedy, which is why Sauron went to such great lengths to either reclaim the dwarven rings or made sure they were destroyed by dragon fire.
>destroyed by dragon fire
I assume that wouldn't work on the One Ring?
Yes but those didn't have the effect Sauron wanted. They didn't turn into ringwraiths like the 9 men did. All it did was make them more greedy, which is why Sauron went to such great lengths to either reclaim the dwarven rings or made sure they were destroyed by dragon fire.
>All it did was make them more greedy, which is why Sauron went to such great lengths to either reclaim the dwarven rings or made sure they were destroyed by dragon fire.
even the most evil being in all of Middle Earth couldn't stomach dwarves being more greedy
Dwarves were made by Aule to be immune to corruption. Not even Morgoth could corrupt them, much less some two bit knockoff Dark Lord like Sauron. As for why Gimli didn't carry the One Ring is because Tolkien hadn't thought of Dwarven immunity to corruption yet.
When they were at the The Council of Elrond, Gimli was still an arrogant shit and needed to go through his character arc over the rest of the journey to chill out. Also the Elves, like Legolas, didn't trust Dwarves so they said they won't be onboard if Dwarves were chosen to hold the ring. It had to go to a hobbit since they were neutral.
>Only Galadriel and Sauron could use it to full effect
Galadriel cannot use it to its full effect. Tolkien specified that it had to be someone of the same order as Sauron, which means an Ainur. If Galadriel had picked up the ring and then gone to do 1v1 battle with Sauron, she would've lost. But someone like Gandalf would have a chance to win, and become the ring's new master
Sauron most feared the One Ring falling into Galadriel's hands since he knew for a fact she could bend the One Ring to her will instead of the other way around. He also feared it falling into Aragorn's hands for the same reason, though the ring would have eventually corrupted him, but there was still enough doubt in Sauron's mind to make him fall for Aragorn's bait.
>Of the others only Gandalf might be expected to master him – being an emissary of the Powers and a creature of the same order, an immortal spirit taking a visible physical form. In the 'Mirror of Galadriel', 1381, it appears that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of wielding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord. If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. But this is another matter. It was part of the essential deceit of the Ring to fill minds with imaginations of supreme power
That's from Tolkien. I have no idea why you think Galadriel would be the one to do the bending, or why you think she would be more capable of it than a Ainur
I'm not saying Galadriel would be better at it than an Ainur like Gandalf or Saruman, I'm just saying that Sauron himself feared Galadriel getting the ring since she could wield it against him, and since Sauron knows the Ring better than anyone else it stands to reason she could conceivably bend it to her will.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm just saying that Sauron himself feared Galadriel getting the ring since she could wield it against him
What do you base it on?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Probably something the homosexualy showrunners of Rings of Power said.
He feared galadriel getting it most because she was the only person he thought might be able to bend it to her will. But not guaranteed she could
He feared aragon because he is firstly the blood of the man who defeated him and secondly he is the one man capable of bringing together all the free people's against sauron. Sauron was relying on their devision so he could pick them off one by one.
United he is at risk
>He feared galadriel getting it most because she was the only person he thought might be able to bend it to her will. But not guaranteed she could
He didn't think that. He would have no reason to, since no Elf would be able to >He feared aragon because he is firstly the blood of the man who defeated him
Elendil was not the main force behind Sauron being defeated. You forget Gil-galad was there in the 2v1, and they both died >and secondly he is the one man capable of bringing together all the free people's against sauron
True
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah I assumed on first point other guy knew better but that makes more sense. I think if he feared her it was probably because she seems to be the most motivated of the elves to fight him.
It enhances your natural attributes.
Reason why it does basically nothing for a hobbit is because they’re a shy people likely to move out of the way before being noticed by big folk.
Hence invisibility.
I know this is Cinemaphile and we're talking about the movies but the question is about the lore and that is a movie-only addition. Only Hobbits turn invisible in the books.
>I know this is Cinemaphile and we're talking about the movies but the question is about the lore and that is a movie-only addition.
No? That's very much in Tolkien's lore
Isildur never turns invisible when wearing the ring, nor does any other non-Hobbit. Nor is it even implied they would if they tried.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Isildur never turns invisible when wearing the ring
He puts it on to escape the ambush. It's stated that the Orcs can still smell him, and that before reaching the shore, the ring slips from his finger where a part of Orcs put him down. The ring pulling you into the spirit world is beyond dispute. It's why Frodo can see the shapes of the Nazgul when he does, and it's why the Nazgul are seemingly invisible
for mortals, its draws them into the wraith-world. turning them invisible to men but highly visible to beings that live there, like elves, wraiths and spirits
for magical beings it enhances their existing powers as well and giving them the equivalent of a +100 leadership buff
The ring is Sauron`s the deceiver`s essence so it does what Sauron does but ENHANCED. To ANYONE that is not Sauron himself It PROMISES power (it doesn`t actually delivers). Think of it as magical seduction that is meant to weaken reason and will (Except for Sauron, in his case it strengthens his will. Specially against the other ring bearers). To hobbits whose greatest gift/ trait is to pass unnoticed it promises the ultimate most extreme version of that, invisibility, but it`s a trick. The bearer becomes invisible except to Sauron and his servants. The ring will betray anyone that is not Sauron himself. The istari or even a powerful enchantress like Galadriel can not wield it (some would say Tom Bombadil can because he had no desires that could be exploited)
Tom Bombadil has no business being in Middle Earth, its similar to Pan rocking up in Wind in the Willows. 50% family joke, 50% Merrie England Greenmanism.
Tom Bombadil would steal your girl and frick her right there on the table in front of you while singing whimsical songs
And you could do nothing about it
This guy gets it. Gandalf using the ring wouldn't make him a super powerful demon king, it would make him shoot himself in the foot so Sauron can get it back.
>To hobbits whose greatest gift/ trait is to pass unnoticed it promises the ultimate most extreme version of that, invisibility, but it`s a trick
Wrong. The Ring puts mortal beings into the spirit world. It would be the exact same case had Boromir put it on
This guy gets it. Gandalf using the ring wouldn't make him a super powerful demon king, it would make him shoot himself in the foot so Sauron can get it back.
>Gandalf using the ring wouldn't make him a super powerful demon king, it would make him shoot himself in the foot so Sauron can get it back.
Yes and no. Gandalf would have been capable of defeating Sauron in a 1v1. Tolkien said that it could go either way. On one side, Gandalf would have the addeded strength of the ring. On the other, Sauron would have the benefit of the ring's true alligence. If Gandalf was to win, then he would become the ring's master, and for Sauron it would effectively be the same as if it had been destroyed
Except he's wrong about the invisibility part. And the ring DOES give powers to those who possess it, but it promises them far more than it will ever give to them
How he's wrong about invisibility ? And what kind of power the Ring give to the bearer in the movie ? Except pain and psychological torture to Frodo for the whole trip.
That's because, at that time, Sauron was actively seeking out the Ring, and he KNEW it was out there, so his will was concentrated on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, I don't bite it, sorry. The Ring is like Sauron a great deceiver. it promise power but never give it to his bearer. The one and only goal of the Ring his to reunite to his master.
>How he's wrong about invisibility ?
You become invisible because you're pulled into the spirit world. Elves and beings like Sauron and Gandalf live both in the physical and spiritual world at the same time. When a mortal puts on the ring, they're pulled into that spirit world. Mortals cannot be in the spirit world and have a visible body at the same time >And what kind of power the Ring give to the bearer in the movie ?
We don't really see it give any powers in the movie, which is why so many people think it only makes people invisible. In the books, Frodo gains an aura of authority and command when he interacts with people. Sam, when he rescues Frodo, terrifies the Orcs because he appears before them like a great shadow
The ring is sauron and it works to accomplish saurons goals.
It uses the temptation of power to control people to further its own goals of reuniting with saurons spirit.
Hobbits resistance to it is due to their lack of ambition and desire for power. It works by exploiting peoples desires and ambition. But Hobbits have none they are a race which is content with their simple lives. No desires for power no ambitions of grandeur. So the ring has nothing to work with.
The invisibility effect isn't due to the hobbits sneaky nature. The invisibility is actually the wearer entering the shadow realm, which has the effect of making them invisible in the physical world. All lesser beings will have this. Only higher beings can control this ie gandalf.
The rings power effect is related to the wearers power. For example for frodo it does nothing but invisibility but with gandalf it could do much more (hence why he is so against touching it)
And the more powerful the person the stronger its effect/influence.
As we see with galadriel. Where frodo has carried it for months and is ok, galaxriel, arguably the most incorruptible elf, goes insane momentarily from only a day of its mere presence.
And In the hands of a higher being they'd be super powerful however the ring would still betray them for sauron.
It turns you into a wraith, For normal people it basically makes them invisible but for powerful beings like Gandalf and Galadriel it would make them gods.
In The Hobbit during the big final battle Bilbo was running around as an invisible little c**t shanking entire groups of Orcs. If anything them being small is an advantage if they're literally invisible, since the only real chance you have of getting hit is someone swinging wildly.
based moron. >Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>quotes book when we're talking about the movies
Back to Cinemaphile with you dumbass. .
2 years ago
Anonymous
bruh even in the movies they're literally GHOST homieS wearing robes and armor. When movie-version of him gets stabbed in the face by a Femoid, (not a man), and then stabbed in the back by a magic wraith-fricker dagger by a Hobbit, (Also not a "man", as it's a different race), he implodes into a ball of crumpled metal. There is not a single instance of a Ringwraith being shown to possess any flesh at all outside the Ring's shadow vision shit.
>In The Hobbit during the big final battle Bilbo was running around as an invisible little c**t shanking entire groups of Orcs. If anything them being small is an advantage if they're literally invisible, since the only real chance you have of getting hit is someone swinging wildly.
Bilbo stood with Thranduil's guard and got knocked by a rock, he didn't get to kill a single orc.
Hmm, I suppose now that you mention it I believe he was doing that AFTER the big battle, while returning to his allies. I haven't read The Hobbit in over a decade and have no intention of watching that abortion of a movie series.
In Skyrim/Oblvion terms for you zoomers-
Multiplies your Racial Bonus by 10x, and multiplies your level by 10x.
So >Level 1 Hobbit >Stealth bonus is boosted from 10% Sneak Bonus to 100% Sneak Bonus, making them invisible >Goes from a level 1 Hobbit to a level 5 Hobbit
But >Level 93 Wizard >Magic Proficiency and Magic Resist go from 25% to 250% bonus >Goes from a level 93 Wizard to a level 930 Wizard God
Also I don't know if it's true but I read on /tg/ once turning invisible is basically just a side effect of the ring putting you halfway into the spirit world, hence everything looking fricked up for Frodo when he wears it and why he can see the true faces of the Ringwraiths with it on, and is also why Wraiths are invisible under their armor.
>turning invisible is basically just a side effect of the ring putting you halfway into the spirit world, hence everything looking fricked up for Frodo when he wears it and why he can see the true faces of the Ringwraiths with it on, and is also why Wraiths are invisible under their armor.
This is tolkien Lore 101 I CANT BELIEVE that every thread half of you seem to think Frodo turns invisible becaue Teehee sneaky hobbit, when Isildur turns invisible 5 minutes into the movie you fricking speedwatching homosexuals
Most people don't have a in depth knowledge of the lore dude. It seems weird to us as people who are huge nerds and have dived into the lore deep. But it's a fact were the minority
Like the other anons said, it boosts your own natural powers. It also gives you an air of authority and can be used to inspire terror in enemies. Frodo is said to have seemed more lordly when he had the ring, and Sam appeared like a sort of large shadow that scared the Orcs he fought when he went to save Frodo
It boosts the powers of the wearer based on the wearers power. It is technically half of the dark lords soul, which is why him without the ring is significantly weaker. This however is also Sauron's greatest strength as the ring itself is basically a soul GPS that, along with the other rings, trap those that wear it into Sauron's bidding. Thats the reason why someone like Aragorn or Gandalf didn't wear it, because despite the immense power they would make Sauron b-line straight to them, meanwhile someone like Frodo is so weak that Sauron sends the wraiths after him to kill/convert Frodo and take the ring back.
It's also the reason why the fellowship's plan worked, because Saruon thought that the only reason why Aragorn would do such a suicidal charge directly into Mordor was because he was ring amped
>, which is why him without the ring is significantly weaker
Actually, Sauron is never weaker when not possessing the ring. He just gets a boost while he wears it
No, Sauron is weaker without the ring, just like how Morgoth was weaker after he disseminated his power into Arda. The benefit was that they could no longer be killed unless their item of choice (in Sauron's case a ring) was destroyed. Morgoth did it because he knew neither Eru or the Valar would destroy Arda just to kill him. Nor could they even if they wanted to. And Sauron did it because he knew nobody had the mental fortitude to destroy the ring. Even Frodo destroyed it only by accident.
He IS weaker. Remember, creatures rebelling against Iluvatar cannot generate or grant power, they can only split their own and share it/pour of elsewhere.
>While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'
From one of Tolkien's letters
Tolkien often contradicts himself in his letters so I don't take that as canon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll take his word over yours, anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fair enough, but I'd read Morgoth's Ring before you draw any conclusions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Melkor had marred the world with his shadow, permanently infusing his essence into it. This is similar to how Sauron fused his own essence into the ring, but the circumstances and the end product are completely different. The ring is entirely of Sauron's craft, and so it didn't lower his power (except if it was destroyed, or another Ainur mastered it by defeating him).
>Morgoth did it because he knew neither Eru or the Valar would destroy Arda just to kill him
Melkor didn't diminish his power deliberately. It was a byproduct of him dispersing his evil will across the world. Melkor can never use Arda like Sauron used his ring. Sauron made the ring deliberately as a tool, and was not diminished by doing so. Melkor lost his own inherent power, and it was never his plan to do so
He IS weaker. Remember, creatures rebelling against Iluvatar cannot generate or grant power, they can only split their own and share it/pour of elsewhere.
Before his defeat yeah but after his defeat his spirit is weakened and he now needs the ring, which contains part of his spirit to make himself whole again and back to His original powers
>Before his defeat yeah but after his defeat his spirit is weakened and he now needs the ring
Sauron doesn't actually appear to have become inherently weaker after having "died" in his duel between Elendil and Gil-galad. The only time I can remember it being stated Sauron had become weaker, was after Numenor had been sunk. And the reason was that he had used a lot of his will on corrupting it, whatever that means
At full power he could control the other rings. And even harm the other peoples through his power like cause doubt, fear, and waver.
2 years ago
Anonymous
To control the other rings without having them, he needs to be in possession of the One ring. Causing doubt and fear is something he is fully capable of in the Third Age
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really.
He may be able to have some effect but nowhere near his potential.
For example the way he influences denethor through the palantir is a fraction of what he is capable of with his full strength through the rings. And even his ability to dominate others directly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>For example the way he influences denethor through the palantir is a fraction of what he is capable of with his full strength through the rings. And even his ability to dominate others directly.
That wasn't what I responded to. You said that at full power he could >harm the other peoples through his power like cause doubt, fear, and waver.
That's something he's perfectly capable of at the end of the Third Age. I never said he was as dominating as when he bore the ring
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah and I'm saying what he's capable of now is a fraction of his potential
>read The Silmarillion >Sauron shows up >oh neat >immediately gets his ass kicked by a talking dog >begs for mercy and then runs away like a little b***h
BRAVO TOLKIEN
I've read through it like 3 times and is a bit dry at points as you're basically reading a mythology. If you like Tolkien in general it's worth a read. If nothing else read about Fingolfin going to fight Morgoth because it's the GOAT scene.
>existed before
theres nothing(as far as i know) to say she existed BEFORE creation, just that she wasnt a direct creation of Eru and was found in the void, much like the nameless things or Bombadil arnt direct creation just just results of the Music
>Shadow games are fun
Shadow of Mordor was fun but had a moronic final boss.
Shadow of War's Nazgul fights were awesome and the final boss looked fun but I never made it there because the orc captains were so infuriating that I gave up. > hahaha I am immune to arrows > hahaha I am immune to fire > hahaha I am immune to frost > etc > impotently dart around desperately hammering the basic attack button while he keeps becoming immune to more and more things
Frick Shadow of War.
Unfortunately, yes. It sticks out like a sore thumb in The Silmarillion. Tolkiens repressed prudish christian upbringing really becomes apparent in the 200+ pages dedicated to spider sex.
these games were boring as hell but turning talion into a ringwraith at the end and having him undo all the good he tried to do in mordor is kind of kino
Why didn't Tolkien ever address the eagle question though? Honestly what a massive plot hole that is. To have the solution to all of the plots problems right there and not provide a reason why it couldn't be used. What a hack he was.
I always headcanoned that the Ring grants power based on who/what you are. Hobbits are small, cautious creatures, so for them the ultimate power would be to disappear completely. For someone like Boromir it would probably make him incredibly physically powerful, Galadriel would become nearly omniscient, etc. The Nazgul's rings were forged by Sauron and didn't make them invisible, but instead seems to have made them immortal and granted them preternatural powers (at the cost of their souls), so I figure the One Ring isn't just invisibility. I also wonder about it's ability to "rule" the other rings. Could a sufficiently powerful/wicked ring bearer control the Nazgul? Destroy the Dwarvish rings? I don't remember if that's ever explored.
It seems to be associated with "will" which is a different way of putting it. Sauron has the will to dominate, its less clear that others do. The Nazgul have corrupted themselves.
I'd go with Plato/Socrates on this. >Socrates ultimately argues that justice does not derive from this social construct: the man who abused the power of the Ring of Gyges has in fact enslaved himself to his appetites, while the man who chose not to use it remains rationally in control of himself and is therefore happy
Sauron can litteraly burn people when he touch them. He burned the high king of the elves and the high king of men. He wanted to do the same with the son of Elendil but Isildur cutted the Ring off his finger.
Did anyone talk about how Gandalf is literally god/jesus christ and technically more powerful than anything in all of creation yet?
Or how any scrub elf could stomp Sauron back on their home continent?
To be fair, Elves without a strong source of magic to "refresh" them eventually diminish and fade, becoming basically wraiths themselves. Hence why most need to travel to Valinor eventually.
And yes, Blizzard stole this idea for Blood Elves.
Maybe wrong but I thought the elves magic was connected to the magic of the world. And because magic was diminishing they themselves are losing their powers. And that's why they're leaving
Maybe wrong but I thought the elves magic was connected to the magic of the world. And because magic was diminishing they themselves are losing their powers. And that's why they're leaving
Actually only certain Elves were permitted to sail to Valinor. The Noldor and their descendants and certain groups of Teleri. Silvan Elves and other elves that never left Middle Earth are doomed to be forestBlack folk forever.
no all the elves were leaving middle earth, iirc everyone was allowed to go back to valinor after morgoth was defeated except the sons of feanor
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, BACK to Valinor. Only those who had seen the light of the trees and their descendants, but none of the Moriquendi were permitted to sail west.
2 years ago
Anonymous
untrue, legolas goes to valinor despite being a sindariBlack person
2 years ago
Anonymous
Untrue it's just that they are more connected to middle earth so aren't leaving as quickly
2 years ago
Anonymous
False. All Elves were allowed to go to Valinor. The only reason they didn't initially is because, on the journey to the coast, groups of Elves became enthralled by the sights of Middle-Earth, and decided to stay. That's where all the different types of Elves come from. The Noldor are the ones who weren't allowed to sail back after having arrived, and later, left Valinor in bloodshed
2 years ago
Anonymous
Son. Singular. Only one survived, which is hilarious, since Tolkien obviously forgot about him. The rest died, so reincarnated and are in Valinor. The only elf who is denied reincarnation is Feanor himself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
iirc doesnt he jump into a giant crack in the earth or something
2 years ago
Anonymous
Forgot? He was doomed to walk along the shores forever, thats not dementia thats poetry
>Silvan Elves and other elves that never left Middle Earth are doomed
Where is this stated?
Also the Noldor aren't permitted back into Valinor, they have to dwell in Tol Eressea, forever in sight of the undying lands.
Sauron put on a fair visage and called himself Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". He befriended the Elf smiths of Eregion, including Celebrimbor (greatest of craftsmen, as he was descended from Fëanor), and counselled them in arts and magic. Not all the Elves trusted him, particularly Lady Galadriel, Elrond, and Gil-galad, High King of the Ñoldor.
To the Elves who listened, Sauron gave knowledge and encouragement in forging the Rings of Power, while he forged the One Ring in secret, to rule the Elvish rings.
However, as soon as Sauron put on the Ring the Elves sensed his treachery, and removed their rings and hid them. Enraged, Sauron came against them in open war and demanded that all Rings of Power be given to him. The Elves managed to hide the three greatest of the Rings from him, but the other sixteen Rings of Power were either captured by Sauron, destroyed, or lost. To the Dwarves he had given Seven, but to Men he had given Nine, knowing that they would be the easiest to corrupt. The Dwarf Lords who received the Rings proved to be very resistant to their power, and neither "faded" nor became enslaved to Sauron's will. The Rings, however, created in them an insatiable lust for gold, which ultimately caused a great deal of grief for the Dwarves.
Yeah but that was before the pact of Numenor in Shandor. After the tribes of Dengaria broke the millennium old pact of Eru-Shinta. After that Bingo and Bango went on their crusade against BeeBo-BaBo which culminated in peepeepoopoo
I feel like the rings are just so underwhelming, especially the 9 human rings. It just makes 9 kings become wraiths who can be fairly easily btfo by low ranking elves. They're a nice asset to have, but pretty miniscule. If instead, it made those 9 kings very powerful in some dark magic and corrupted their armies and populations to serve Sauron, I think the rings would be more respectable. Then Sauron would have that much more forces to wage war against elves and other men. Plus, they were the stronger version of men and would stomp the weak modern men.
>If instead, it made those 9 kings very powerful in some dark magic and corrupted their armies and populations to serve Sauron, I think the rings would be more respectable.
That's exactly what happened to the kings and leaders of men who got the Nine Rings, you dolt. How do you think Sauron managed to wrestle complete control of the Easterling and Southrons even after getting defeated by Ar-Pharazon and the Last Alliance after that? The captain of the Nazgul was called the Witch-King of Angmar, for frick sake.
>Lord of the Rings
That's a nice story, but was there a bigger Chad than Earandil entirety of Arda's history?
>starts as a gay ass mariner >sails to the undying lands >puts a Silmaril on his now flying boat >when the chips are down he returns to fight the greatest dragon that ever was, and slays his ass >can never return to Middle-earth
This was my favourite scene from the third film, look how shit scary that orc is, imagine running into him down a dark alleyway. They way they brutally slaughtered each other. Makes both the hobbit and the shadow of war orcs look queer
thats because they used maori's as extras to play the orcs. they were all used to performing haka's and other wardances so they got to have fun playing as orcs and living out their fantasies of killing the white man in his big castle.
i read they used to go stomping around getting drunk in the nearby towns while still in costume for laughs.
The gondorian soldiers were so gay in the movies. In the books the ghosts only cauesd fear in Sauron's forces, Gondor and Rohan had to win the battle on their own merits.
Do I have to quote the goddamn book at youuneducated Philistine homosexuals AGAIN?
>"I would ask one thing before we go," said Frodo, "a thing which I often meant to ask Gandalf in Rivendell. I am permitted to wear the One Ring: why cannot I see all the
others and know the thoughts of those that wear them?" >"You have not tried," she said. "Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed. Do not try! It
would destroy you. Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings give power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that
power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others. Yet even so, as Ring-bearer and as one that has borne it on finger and seen that which is hidden, your sight is grown keener. You have perceived my thought more clearly than many that are accounted wise. You saw the Eye of him that holds the Seven and the Nine. And did you not see and recognize the ring upon my
finger? Did you see my ring?" she asked turning again to Sam. >"No, Lady," he answered. "To tell you the truth, I wondered what you were talking about. I saw a star through your fingers. But if you’ll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was
right. I wish you’d take his Ring. You’d put things to rights. You’d stop them digging up the Gaffer and turning him adrift. You’d make some folk pay for their dirty work." >"I would," she said. "That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas! We will not speak more of it. Let us go!"
That's not exactly true. Legolas states that Aragon would become a terrible and powerful lord if he had the One Ring after he commands the ghosts of the oathbreakers to help him in the Pelargir. Men like Denethor or Boromir would also probably have immense power with the Ring.
>"yeah nah frick off homosexual elf I'm keeping the ring so I can uhhhhhhhhhh turn myself invisible I guess" >ends up dying anyways
what was the next step in Isildur's master plan, exactly?
He was already mentally fricked by it.
Think of it like this >Get given THE ONE HEROIN NEEDLE TO CONTROL THEM ALL >have a nice day up with the cleanest, best Heroin ever made >Ok bro, now you can throw it in the trash and get clean now :^)
Except the magical Heroin is sentient and actively trying to prevent you from destroying it. Also, shooting up makes you invisible.
The ring literally makes your wildest dreams and goals seem guaranteed if you just take the ring for yourself. Such an overwhelming influence it will and has even made the most moral and noble person become willing to commit murder of a friend they swore to protect. Its insane
You're right, it's probably closer to magical amphetamines or coke.
The ring literally makes your wildest dreams and goals seem guaranteed if you just take the ring for yourself. Such an overwhelming influence it will and has even made the most moral and noble person become willing to commit murder of a friend they swore to protect. Its insane
>Be ancient Gigahuman who is more powerful than a hundred modern men >Have full plate armor, command large armies, surrounded by gigahuman bodyguards and capable warriors and advisors, possess the goddamn One Ring of Power >get btfo and killed by some jobber level 2 mobs that should have died if he sneezed their direction
>what was the next step in Isildur's master plan, exactly?
Umm... Go back to Gondor and attempt to use the ring to defeat Sauron (plus anyone else who opposed him). Denethor wasn't exactly a pure moral soul so he probably wouldn't have any problem with his favourite son using the ring to increase his power and prestige even more.
The Ring makes everyone invisible. There are no different powers. Isildur was invisible while he wore it and the Nazgul are also invisible under their clothes. You turn invisible because it pulls you into Sauron's shadow realm.
Yeah that's what I meant. The more powerful beings are able to control their presence in the different realms so the rings effect doesn't work on them.
Sauron was just about to be powerful enough to dominate and destroy all of Middle Earth without the ring. Same reason they can't just throw the ring into the ocean. He was going to win unless they destroyed it and vanquished him.
I'm asking specifics. Tolkien's world building is supposedly the best. Is there an extra line of code in the Ring's CPU that says not to turn invisible if the sauron flag is set to on?
the ring has no power over him, tom bombadil wears the ring without effect for the same reason. Sauron controls the ring not the other way around, not to mention hes a maia and thus already partially in the wraith realm.
Men winning the wars on their own kind of ruined the plot. >Isengard is destroyed >The wildmen are defeated >Angmar is destroyed >The Witchking is dead >Sauronman is dead >Mordor and the corrupted men army get completely annihilated >but the hobbits totally saved guys haha thank the gods for destroying the ring!
>Men winning the wars on their own kind of ruined the plot.
I'm fairly confident the biggest battle that Men win on their own is the battle of Pelennor fields and it's explicitly stated that Sauron is going to come right back with an even bigger army that they can't defeat.
At the black gate they had zero hope of winning. I think it was like 6000 men against literally 80000 orcs, as well as things like trolls.
>The Witchking is dead
He would be back eventually. He was tied to the ring >Sauronman is dead
Yeah, well, he's just a discount Sauron >Mordor and the corrupted men army get completely annihilated
It wasn't all his force. The point of the final battle at the Black Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture >but the hobbits totally saved guys haha thank the gods for destroying the ring!
Yeah, they did
>The point of the final battle at the Black Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture
The point of the final battle at the Hot Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture
Bravo Tolkien. Now explain your tax policy.
Gandalf said that dragon fire could melt the ring but whatever ones were left wouldn't dare try to do so. Why do you think that is? They're greedy, they probably could be coaxed.
Dragonfire couldn't melt the One Ring. Gandalf even said that if Angalacon the Black, the most powerful dragon ever was still alive, even his fire couldn't destroy the One Ring.
It also creates an interesting scenario that at least some can be reasoned with. Makes sense, since it's explicitly stated that dragons had enough willpower to throw off Morgoth's influence.
>but Dragons also guard Melkor's prison doors.
I'm pretty that isn't true. All the Dragons fought for Melkor. They were of his design, to some degree, like the Orcs. I don't think it's ever said anywhere that dragons guard the Door of Night
Dragons are a strange thing, not entirely explained by Tolkien. Morgoth's creations were supposed to be lesser mockeries of Eru's, but dragons have no "good" version, since giant eagles ---> wyverns.
My personal theory is that Dragons were "built" by Morgoth but possessed by maia in his service.
As for orcs here is my theory: > in all the gifts of his brethren, Morgoth had a part
He created orc bodies out of slime and tortured elf corpses but used his part of Mandos' gift to forcefully reincarnate them into these wretched bodies, which explains why orcs can reproduce and somehow pass mutilation on to their descendants.
it could be argued that Tolkiens notes about Morgoth not being able to "create" life is just like how Aule could create dwarves that were basically just automatons until Eru blew the spark of life into them. So Morgoth wasnt necessarily bound to just taking Good thing A and turning it into bad thing B, he just had to power it with some lesser spirit or otherwise. Like Nazghuls or Dragons which were Balrog spirits given scales
>Like Nazghuls
Did you mean Nazguls? If you did, those don't really fall into the same category
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they sort of do actually. Theyre twisted ruined beings that the evil lord put under his dominion
Your touching on the truth
Basically morgoths power wasn't enough to create life or anything else from nothing.
He could however with his power level warp and change creations. And tbh not for bad exclusively but he went that way.
With the dwarfs you are right that they weren't fully created until eru used his power to bring them to life. Eru was abit troubled by aule because he worried he was like morgoth. But later he saw aule wasn't this.
well he could for sure create *beings* he just couldnt create true *life* which I take to mean beings with souls, since its Tolkien and his Catholicism we are talking about here. So I personally dont think its out of the question that Morgoth created things like Trolls out of Clay (in mockery of ents yeah yeah), and basically made them dumb animals that just fricked around, not really *alive* in the sense even though they evidently talked and moved. Catholics didnt start thinking animals had souls until the 90s. But Im aware that Tolkien also had a problem with Orchs being irredeemable and wholly evil creatures so hey, its all headcanon from any side
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>they sort of do actually. Theyre twisted ruined beings that the evil lord put under his dominion
Except they were humans before they were given their rings by Sauron. They still have Eru given souls and are nothing like a Balrog or Dragon
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>They still have Eru given souls >are nothing like a Balrog
My brother in christ you do know that a Balrog/Valaraukar is most definitely a being of Eru since it is a maiar, and just like the Nazgul they were swayed by the forces of evil to serve them. I.e they were corrupted. I.e they follow the same path in life.
Also Dragons are widely regarded as these Valaraukar spirits given scales and bred in the dungeons of Angband.
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>My brother in christ you do know that a Balrog/Valaraukar is most definitely a being of Eru since it is a maiar
You misunderstand. I said they're nothing like Balrogs, because they're not Maia, and nothing like Dragons, because they were humans with human souls, not created creatures of questionable origin
Basically morgoths power wasn't enough to create life or anything else from nothing.
He could however with his power level warp and change creations. And tbh not for bad exclusively but he went that way.
With the dwarfs you are right that they weren't fully created until eru used his power to bring them to life. Eru was abit troubled by aule because he worried he was like morgoth. But later he saw aule wasn't this.
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>With the dwarfs you are right that they weren't fully created until eru used his power to bring them to life
In fact, Aule realized they "are" because he thought he had to destroy them, so he lifted his hammer and witnessed them trembling in fear (realizing they were "true" now, and that Eru realized his wish).
Never found out until recently that LOTR is a prequel to real life. Like Conan's Hyboria. The work that spawned every other fantasy genre was itself low fantasy and depicting the dying of magic.
It's more complicated. Like many of his ideas, he would go back and forth between various versions. The final one, I believe, is that Arda was an alternative Earth, not "our" one. As he put it - at a different stage of imagination.
>everybody thinks having the ring will somehow grant them great power even though the guy who had it lost anyway
Yeah and all it took was hundreds of thousands of lives and the power of 4 armies combined and it was still a tie.
I mean it didn't take much to wreck Isildur
Does tie mean something different in your language? Sauron’s forces were defeated so utterly they would not rise again for 3 thousand motherfricking years. Hell the Germans were fricked up ag the end of ww1 and it only took them like 20 years to start over.
Yes, because they had the Last Alliance going against them aka all men and elves who mattered in the world. Those two also lost their respective kings and sent both down the path they wouldn't recover from. You also forget that Sauron was undone for a while and it took time for him to "return", so to say.
such a shame gil-galad's scenes were removed from the movie
Even in the extended edition?
yes. you can see him as an extra in one scene.
I always got the impression Gil-Galad was underrated.
>Sauron approaches elves under the guise to shill them the idea of Rings
>Gil-Galad immediately sees though the ruse and tells him to frick off
>warns other leaders and arguably saves the elves from the same fate humans and dwarves fell to
The frick, were they warring with Germany?
wow the ring of power is a metaphor for... power. you cracked the code anon
Only smart anon in the thread
if Denethor had the ring he could just run his city better and lead a war up to the gate. its best power for men is the moral boost
Stop looking into the Palantir and touch grass.
Imagine being so moronic to not properly protect your arm that holds all your power
movie version is dumb, in the books Sauron get double teamed and Isildur comes up and saws the finger of his dead hand
In the book the strongest man and strongest elf (barely) beat Sauron and both die in the process and Isilidur just runs clean up.
looks like a turd lmao
imagine the smell
And the dude who had it the longest is some creepy split personality crack head
It's like an unlimitey credit card of some billionaire that you stole. You can buy everything but you are instantly fricked when you use it.
Maybe it was one of those things where it doesn’t actually do anything and you just had to believe in yourself?
You people am stupid and need to read a good book. Maybe try Davinsi Cod. It is really smart and actully makes you think a bit harder than you do now. If you did that youd probably understand the complexity of lord of the rings.
The ring is sentient and wants to return to Sauron, swine
The Ring isn't exactly sentient. It's a part of Sauron and it has the tendency to exert influence to go back towards him, but it doesn't actively manipulate the wearer into doing it.
author was a christcuck ie plot is nonsensical fairytale shit that midwits unironically think is good BECAUSE it doesn’t make sense as if that’s some lost virtue
Back to plebbit atheshit
It's the ring mind fricking them. Makes them think it will give them the means to accomplish their goals. Completely overwhelms their common sense, their minds entirely tbh.
Dare thee criticise the power of the One Ring?
Doesnt thou know what terrors will be brought upon thee?
Would be “knowest thou not”
Blame Plato
Indeed. "But there is no evidence of influence" etc.
Apart from making exactly the same points repeatedly and it being completely impossible for someone with Tolkien's education and interests not to have read The Republic in Latin, never mind English. I mean, he probably read it in secondary school.
it's all talk about this super awesome ring that makes anyone super powerful but all it does is makes you invisible and shows your location to sauron dick suckers so they come to kill you
Exactly what does the ring do?
Never read the books, but the ring is pretty mediocre in the movies.
Is that really all it fricking does?
the ring turns less powerful beings invisible, basically a weak ass hobbit or human isnt going to be able to bend the rings power to their will.
this is why gandalf and galadriel don't hold it for themselves, theyre so powerful that the rng would make them sauron 2.0
The movies literally say this.
>the ring turns less powerful beings invisible
It's not really because they're not powerful, but because you are put into the spirit world. Elves and Maiar like Gandalf are firmly in both the spiritual and physical world, so they remain visible
It grants power based on the power of the bearer.
They can learn to harness more, but it takes a while if you are just some b***h tier hobbit.
Aragon or Gandalf or Elrond with the Ring would be crazy strong
It depends on who uses it and for what purpose. Only Galadriel and Sauron could use it to full effect, and it lets you dominate the minds of living beings. But Hobbits just turn invisible and the ring doesn't do much for them because they're unaware of it's power and evil. Dwarves are completely immune to it. The reason it turns people invisible is because they enter the Wraith world when they wear it.
Didn't the dwarves get their own rings too?
They made their own, but they all got lost or eaten by dragons. I think they made them more greedy anyway, so it was probably for the best.
The dwarven rings were also forged by Sauron and Celebrimbor. The only rings that were made without Sauron's influence were the 3 Elven rings.
> men get rings that turn them into screeching c**ts
> dwarves get rings that just make them more dwarfy
> elves get rings that don't do anything
LOOK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE ALRIGHT AND THERE WAS ONLY TWELVE HOURS OF SCREENTIME TO EXPLAIN IT IN
Men want power.
Dwarves want gold.
Elves want preservation.
Hardly rocket science.
> Already immortal elves get more immorality
Tolkein really phoned it in on that one
>eaten by dragons
Do the dragons get the power of the ring then?
>destroyed by dragon fire
I assume that wouldn't work on the One Ring?
Yes but those didn't have the effect Sauron wanted. They didn't turn into ringwraiths like the 9 men did. All it did was make them more greedy, which is why Sauron went to such great lengths to either reclaim the dwarven rings or made sure they were destroyed by dragon fire.
>All it did was make them more greedy, which is why Sauron went to such great lengths to either reclaim the dwarven rings or made sure they were destroyed by dragon fire.
even the most evil being in all of Middle Earth couldn't stomach dwarves being more greedy
Dwarves aren't immune to the pull of Rings of Power, they just don't turn into Wraiths.
It just amplifies their worst traits
>Dwarves are completely immune to it.
Since dwarves are israelites, why would that be? That can't be right. Why not give it to Gimli, then?
Fear of usury
Made me spit my water bottle vodka out at work
Dwarves were made by Aule to be immune to corruption. Not even Morgoth could corrupt them, much less some two bit knockoff Dark Lord like Sauron. As for why Gimli didn't carry the One Ring is because Tolkien hadn't thought of Dwarven immunity to corruption yet.
When they were at the The Council of Elrond, Gimli was still an arrogant shit and needed to go through his character arc over the rest of the journey to chill out. Also the Elves, like Legolas, didn't trust Dwarves so they said they won't be onboard if Dwarves were chosen to hold the ring. It had to go to a hobbit since they were neutral.
>Only Galadriel and Sauron could use it to full effect
Galadriel cannot use it to its full effect. Tolkien specified that it had to be someone of the same order as Sauron, which means an Ainur. If Galadriel had picked up the ring and then gone to do 1v1 battle with Sauron, she would've lost. But someone like Gandalf would have a chance to win, and become the ring's new master
Sauron most feared the One Ring falling into Galadriel's hands since he knew for a fact she could bend the One Ring to her will instead of the other way around. He also feared it falling into Aragorn's hands for the same reason, though the ring would have eventually corrupted him, but there was still enough doubt in Sauron's mind to make him fall for Aragorn's bait.
>Of the others only Gandalf might be expected to master him – being an emissary of the Powers and a creature of the same order, an immortal spirit taking a visible physical form. In the 'Mirror of Galadriel', 1381, it appears that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of wielding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord. If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. But this is another matter. It was part of the essential deceit of the Ring to fill minds with imaginations of supreme power
That's from Tolkien. I have no idea why you think Galadriel would be the one to do the bending, or why you think she would be more capable of it than a Ainur
I'm not saying Galadriel would be better at it than an Ainur like Gandalf or Saruman, I'm just saying that Sauron himself feared Galadriel getting the ring since she could wield it against him, and since Sauron knows the Ring better than anyone else it stands to reason she could conceivably bend it to her will.
>I'm just saying that Sauron himself feared Galadriel getting the ring since she could wield it against him
What do you base it on?
Probably something the homosexualy showrunners of Rings of Power said.
He feared galadriel getting it most because she was the only person he thought might be able to bend it to her will. But not guaranteed she could
He feared aragon because he is firstly the blood of the man who defeated him and secondly he is the one man capable of bringing together all the free people's against sauron. Sauron was relying on their devision so he could pick them off one by one.
United he is at risk
>He feared galadriel getting it most because she was the only person he thought might be able to bend it to her will. But not guaranteed she could
He didn't think that. He would have no reason to, since no Elf would be able to
>He feared aragon because he is firstly the blood of the man who defeated him
Elendil was not the main force behind Sauron being defeated. You forget Gil-galad was there in the 2v1, and they both died
>and secondly he is the one man capable of bringing together all the free people's against sauron
True
Yeah I assumed on first point other guy knew better but that makes more sense. I think if he feared her it was probably because she seems to be the most motivated of the elves to fight him.
Second point yeah I agree
It's a power-stat multiplier. Weak people go from 1 power stat to 2, strong beings go from 10 to 100.
It enhances your natural attributes.
Reason why it does basically nothing for a hobbit is because they’re a shy people likely to move out of the way before being noticed by big folk.
Hence invisibility.
No, you stupid fricking moron.
The ring just makes you go to the wraith world.
Isildur went invisible as well
I know this is Cinemaphile and we're talking about the movies but the question is about the lore and that is a movie-only addition. Only Hobbits turn invisible in the books.
>I know this is Cinemaphile and we're talking about the movies but the question is about the lore and that is a movie-only addition.
No? That's very much in Tolkien's lore
Isildur never turns invisible when wearing the ring, nor does any other non-Hobbit. Nor is it even implied they would if they tried.
>Isildur never turns invisible when wearing the ring
He puts it on to escape the ambush. It's stated that the Orcs can still smell him, and that before reaching the shore, the ring slips from his finger where a part of Orcs put him down. The ring pulling you into the spirit world is beyond dispute. It's why Frodo can see the shapes of the Nazgul when he does, and it's why the Nazgul are seemingly invisible
for mortals, its draws them into the wraith-world. turning them invisible to men but highly visible to beings that live there, like elves, wraiths and spirits
for magical beings it enhances their existing powers as well and giving them the equivalent of a +100 leadership buff
That`s not what the ring does though.
The ring is Sauron`s the deceiver`s essence so it does what Sauron does but ENHANCED. To ANYONE that is not Sauron himself It PROMISES power (it doesn`t actually delivers). Think of it as magical seduction that is meant to weaken reason and will (Except for Sauron, in his case it strengthens his will. Specially against the other ring bearers). To hobbits whose greatest gift/ trait is to pass unnoticed it promises the ultimate most extreme version of that, invisibility, but it`s a trick. The bearer becomes invisible except to Sauron and his servants. The ring will betray anyone that is not Sauron himself. The istari or even a powerful enchantress like Galadriel can not wield it (some would say Tom Bombadil can because he had no desires that could be exploited)
Tom Bombadil has no business being in Middle Earth, its similar to Pan rocking up in Wind in the Willows. 50% family joke, 50% Merrie England Greenmanism.
Tom Bombadil would steal your girl and frick her right there on the table in front of you while singing whimsical songs
And you could do nothing about it
Tom is a gentleman and would never cheat on Marigold
This guy gets it. Gandalf using the ring wouldn't make him a super powerful demon king, it would make him shoot himself in the foot so Sauron can get it back.
>To hobbits whose greatest gift/ trait is to pass unnoticed it promises the ultimate most extreme version of that, invisibility, but it`s a trick
Wrong. The Ring puts mortal beings into the spirit world. It would be the exact same case had Boromir put it on
>Gandalf using the ring wouldn't make him a super powerful demon king, it would make him shoot himself in the foot so Sauron can get it back.
Yes and no. Gandalf would have been capable of defeating Sauron in a 1v1. Tolkien said that it could go either way. On one side, Gandalf would have the addeded strength of the ring. On the other, Sauron would have the benefit of the ring's true alligence. If Gandalf was to win, then he would become the ring's master, and for Sauron it would effectively be the same as if it had been destroyed
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Except he's wrong about the invisibility part. And the ring DOES give powers to those who possess it, but it promises them far more than it will ever give to them
How he's wrong about invisibility ? And what kind of power the Ring give to the bearer in the movie ? Except pain and psychological torture to Frodo for the whole trip.
That's because, at that time, Sauron was actively seeking out the Ring, and he KNEW it was out there, so his will was concentrated on it.
Nah, I don't bite it, sorry. The Ring is like Sauron a great deceiver. it promise power but never give it to his bearer. The one and only goal of the Ring his to reunite to his master.
>How he's wrong about invisibility ?
You become invisible because you're pulled into the spirit world. Elves and beings like Sauron and Gandalf live both in the physical and spiritual world at the same time. When a mortal puts on the ring, they're pulled into that spirit world. Mortals cannot be in the spirit world and have a visible body at the same time
>And what kind of power the Ring give to the bearer in the movie ?
We don't really see it give any powers in the movie, which is why so many people think it only makes people invisible. In the books, Frodo gains an aura of authority and command when he interacts with people. Sam, when he rescues Frodo, terrifies the Orcs because he appears before them like a great shadow
The ring is sauron and it works to accomplish saurons goals.
It uses the temptation of power to control people to further its own goals of reuniting with saurons spirit.
Hobbits resistance to it is due to their lack of ambition and desire for power. It works by exploiting peoples desires and ambition. But Hobbits have none they are a race which is content with their simple lives. No desires for power no ambitions of grandeur. So the ring has nothing to work with.
The invisibility effect isn't due to the hobbits sneaky nature. The invisibility is actually the wearer entering the shadow realm, which has the effect of making them invisible in the physical world. All lesser beings will have this. Only higher beings can control this ie gandalf.
The rings power effect is related to the wearers power. For example for frodo it does nothing but invisibility but with gandalf it could do much more (hence why he is so against touching it)
And the more powerful the person the stronger its effect/influence.
As we see with galadriel. Where frodo has carried it for months and is ok, galaxriel, arguably the most incorruptible elf, goes insane momentarily from only a day of its mere presence.
And In the hands of a higher being they'd be super powerful however the ring would still betray them for sauron.
it gives giant penis.
It turns you into a wraith, For normal people it basically makes them invisible but for powerful beings like Gandalf and Galadriel it would make them gods.
>turns you into a wraith
>they dont get to imladris in time
,>frodo turns
>theres now a hobbit sized wraith running around stabbing peoples ankles
It always makes me laugh when aragorn mentions it in fotr
In The Hobbit during the big final battle Bilbo was running around as an invisible little c**t shanking entire groups of Orcs. If anything them being small is an advantage if they're literally invisible, since the only real chance you have of getting hit is someone swinging wildly.
Except the wraiths aren't invisible dumbsss.
based moron.
>Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl...
>quotes book when we're talking about the movies
Back to Cinemaphile with you dumbass. .
bruh even in the movies they're literally GHOST homieS wearing robes and armor. When movie-version of him gets stabbed in the face by a Femoid, (not a man), and then stabbed in the back by a magic wraith-fricker dagger by a Hobbit, (Also not a "man", as it's a different race), he implodes into a ball of crumpled metal. There is not a single instance of a Ringwraith being shown to possess any flesh at all outside the Ring's shadow vision shit.
One again in something other than ebonics
>In The Hobbit during the big final battle Bilbo was running around as an invisible little c**t shanking entire groups of Orcs. If anything them being small is an advantage if they're literally invisible, since the only real chance you have of getting hit is someone swinging wildly.
Bilbo stood with Thranduil's guard and got knocked by a rock, he didn't get to kill a single orc.
Hmm, I suppose now that you mention it I believe he was doing that AFTER the big battle, while returning to his allies. I haven't read The Hobbit in over a decade and have no intention of watching that abortion of a movie series.
In Skyrim/Oblvion terms for you zoomers-
Multiplies your Racial Bonus by 10x, and multiplies your level by 10x.
So
>Level 1 Hobbit
>Stealth bonus is boosted from 10% Sneak Bonus to 100% Sneak Bonus, making them invisible
>Goes from a level 1 Hobbit to a level 5 Hobbit
But
>Level 93 Wizard
>Magic Proficiency and Magic Resist go from 25% to 250% bonus
>Goes from a level 93 Wizard to a level 930 Wizard God
Also I don't know if it's true but I read on /tg/ once turning invisible is basically just a side effect of the ring putting you halfway into the spirit world, hence everything looking fricked up for Frodo when he wears it and why he can see the true faces of the Ringwraiths with it on, and is also why Wraiths are invisible under their armor.
>turning invisible is basically just a side effect of the ring putting you halfway into the spirit world, hence everything looking fricked up for Frodo when he wears it and why he can see the true faces of the Ringwraiths with it on, and is also why Wraiths are invisible under their armor.
This is tolkien Lore 101 I CANT BELIEVE that every thread half of you seem to think Frodo turns invisible becaue Teehee sneaky hobbit, when Isildur turns invisible 5 minutes into the movie you fricking speedwatching homosexuals
Most people don't have a in depth knowledge of the lore dude. It seems weird to us as people who are huge nerds and have dived into the lore deep. But it's a fact were the minority
There are at most 50 real people on Cinemaphile in total, at some point they should be able to pick up on things.
Like the other anons said, it boosts your own natural powers. It also gives you an air of authority and can be used to inspire terror in enemies. Frodo is said to have seemed more lordly when he had the ring, and Sam appeared like a sort of large shadow that scared the Orcs he fought when he went to save Frodo
It boosts the powers of the wearer based on the wearers power. It is technically half of the dark lords soul, which is why him without the ring is significantly weaker. This however is also Sauron's greatest strength as the ring itself is basically a soul GPS that, along with the other rings, trap those that wear it into Sauron's bidding. Thats the reason why someone like Aragorn or Gandalf didn't wear it, because despite the immense power they would make Sauron b-line straight to them, meanwhile someone like Frodo is so weak that Sauron sends the wraiths after him to kill/convert Frodo and take the ring back.
It's also the reason why the fellowship's plan worked, because Saruon thought that the only reason why Aragorn would do such a suicidal charge directly into Mordor was because he was ring amped
>, which is why him without the ring is significantly weaker
Actually, Sauron is never weaker when not possessing the ring. He just gets a boost while he wears it
No, Sauron is weaker without the ring, just like how Morgoth was weaker after he disseminated his power into Arda. The benefit was that they could no longer be killed unless their item of choice (in Sauron's case a ring) was destroyed. Morgoth did it because he knew neither Eru or the Valar would destroy Arda just to kill him. Nor could they even if they wanted to. And Sauron did it because he knew nobody had the mental fortitude to destroy the ring. Even Frodo destroyed it only by accident.
>While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'
From one of Tolkien's letters
Tolkien often contradicts himself in his letters so I don't take that as canon.
I'll take his word over yours, anon.
Fair enough, but I'd read Morgoth's Ring before you draw any conclusions.
Melkor had marred the world with his shadow, permanently infusing his essence into it. This is similar to how Sauron fused his own essence into the ring, but the circumstances and the end product are completely different. The ring is entirely of Sauron's craft, and so it didn't lower his power (except if it was destroyed, or another Ainur mastered it by defeating him).
>Morgoth did it because he knew neither Eru or the Valar would destroy Arda just to kill him
Melkor didn't diminish his power deliberately. It was a byproduct of him dispersing his evil will across the world. Melkor can never use Arda like Sauron used his ring. Sauron made the ring deliberately as a tool, and was not diminished by doing so. Melkor lost his own inherent power, and it was never his plan to do so
He IS weaker. Remember, creatures rebelling against Iluvatar cannot generate or grant power, they can only split their own and share it/pour of elsewhere.
Before his defeat yeah but after his defeat his spirit is weakened and he now needs the ring, which contains part of his spirit to make himself whole again and back to His original powers
>Before his defeat yeah but after his defeat his spirit is weakened and he now needs the ring
Sauron doesn't actually appear to have become inherently weaker after having "died" in his duel between Elendil and Gil-galad. The only time I can remember it being stated Sauron had become weaker, was after Numenor had been sunk. And the reason was that he had used a lot of his will on corrupting it, whatever that means
At full power he could control the other rings. And even harm the other peoples through his power like cause doubt, fear, and waver.
To control the other rings without having them, he needs to be in possession of the One ring. Causing doubt and fear is something he is fully capable of in the Third Age
Not really.
He may be able to have some effect but nowhere near his potential.
For example the way he influences denethor through the palantir is a fraction of what he is capable of with his full strength through the rings. And even his ability to dominate others directly.
>For example the way he influences denethor through the palantir is a fraction of what he is capable of with his full strength through the rings. And even his ability to dominate others directly.
That wasn't what I responded to. You said that at full power he could
>harm the other peoples through his power like cause doubt, fear, and waver.
That's something he's perfectly capable of at the end of the Third Age. I never said he was as dominating as when he bore the ring
Yeah and I'm saying what he's capable of now is a fraction of his potential
Also it extends your natural lifetime, lets you live way longer
>read The Silmarillion
>Sauron shows up
>oh neat
>immediately gets his ass kicked by a talking dog
>begs for mercy and then runs away like a little b***h
BRAVO TOLKIEN
Not unlike when Ar-Pharazon showed up at his doorstep and he begged for mercy and surrendered like a little b***h.
I heard the Silmarillion is hard to read like it's just a an appendix or whatever.
I've read through it like 3 times and is a bit dry at points as you're basically reading a mythology. If you like Tolkien in general it's worth a read. If nothing else read about Fingolfin going to fight Morgoth because it's the GOAT scene.
GROND?
It's hard to visualise, not hard to read. The opening chapter with the descriptions of the angels and shit is what filters people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_and_fall_in_Middle-earth
>Morgoth master of sauron
>its basically a god
>jobs to a fricking spider
Ungoliant was some fricked up void monster that existed before Eru(God) created the world. Calling her a big spider is underselling it.
>AAH BIG SPIDER Black personMAN SAVE ME
>existed before
theres nothing(as far as i know) to say she existed BEFORE creation, just that she wasnt a direct creation of Eru and was found in the void, much like the nameless things or Bombadil arnt direct creation just just results of the Music
Grandmother of all spiders and creature from the outer dark.
Hopped up on the entire power of the first suns.
Hardly jobbing.
>AAAH BALROGS SAVE ME
>NOOOOO NOT LE HECKING POWERLEVELS
still to capeshit and shounenspicery, morons
>get the ring of power
>+3 to stamina and 4% to shoot a lvl 2 fireball on attack
bravo tolkien
is this canon?
Yes, in fact 50% of all orcs are sexy dominatrixes
Frick no.
spider pussy
sussy
Someone post that copypasta
heh
Thank you An-hey wait a second!
No, but the Shadow games are fun so I didn't care. Although reducing Sauron to a QTE event at the end of the first game was fricking stupid.
>Shadow games are fun
Shadow of Mordor was fun but had a moronic final boss.
Shadow of War's Nazgul fights were awesome and the final boss looked fun but I never made it there because the orc captains were so infuriating that I gave up.
> hahaha I am immune to arrows
> hahaha I am immune to fire
> hahaha I am immune to frost
> etc
> impotently dart around desperately hammering the basic attack button while he keeps becoming immune to more and more things
Frick Shadow of War.
Unfortunately, yes. It sticks out like a sore thumb in The Silmarillion. Tolkiens repressed prudish christian upbringing really becomes apparent in the 200+ pages dedicated to spider sex.
>all it took was just one hobbit to kill her
>still no sfm porn
Dammit coomers CAM ON
>is this canon?
For me, yes
Looks like the b***h from the Witcher
the ring of power is an endgame item so these homies who are still leveling for endgame can't really use it properly
TALION
these games were boring as hell but turning talion into a ringwraith at the end and having him undo all the good he tried to do in mordor is kind of kino
Never trust an elf
>proves gimli right
around elfs never relax
PALANTIR
Why didn't Tolkien ever address the eagle question though? Honestly what a massive plot hole that is. To have the solution to all of the plots problems right there and not provide a reason why it couldn't be used. What a hack he was.
heh, that's funny
it's amazing how everyone in the comments of that video uncritically accepts with no evidence that that is actually jrrt
>hmm guys, its actually fake
he does, in the book
read it
He doesn't. Literally not one sentence about it in the entirety of the 30+ volumes of lore he wrote.
its addressed at the council, the mission is one of SECRECY
Ride the eagles secretly.
I always headcanoned that the Ring grants power based on who/what you are. Hobbits are small, cautious creatures, so for them the ultimate power would be to disappear completely. For someone like Boromir it would probably make him incredibly physically powerful, Galadriel would become nearly omniscient, etc. The Nazgul's rings were forged by Sauron and didn't make them invisible, but instead seems to have made them immortal and granted them preternatural powers (at the cost of their souls), so I figure the One Ring isn't just invisibility. I also wonder about it's ability to "rule" the other rings. Could a sufficiently powerful/wicked ring bearer control the Nazgul? Destroy the Dwarvish rings? I don't remember if that's ever explored.
It seems to be associated with "will" which is a different way of putting it. Sauron has the will to dominate, its less clear that others do. The Nazgul have corrupted themselves.
I'd go with Plato/Socrates on this.
>Socrates ultimately argues that justice does not derive from this social construct: the man who abused the power of the Ring of Gyges has in fact enslaved himself to his appetites, while the man who chose not to use it remains rationally in control of himself and is therefore happy
How come the ring fit perfectly on the fingers of a teenage hobbit?
Was Sauron a midge or what?
it changes size, you see this happen several times, pay attention
Why doesn't it just become so big that Sauron can see it from Mordor
Bros??
Why doesn't sauron just wear the ring as belt? Surely no one would be able to cut the belt of power off him in mid battle
Why doesn't sauron just put the ring in his ass? Surely no one would be able to cut the ass of power off him in mid battle
Kek I completely forgot about this jack black lotr skit till now
>When the MTV Movie Awards were dope
>Before the Dark Times
>Before the future
>MTV Movie Awards
The matrix one is still the best.
>Do the robot neo! I cant, what happens when I fail
>MISTEEEER TIMBERRRRRLAKE
>wet willie
?t=478
still gets me
It literally shows in the movie the ring changes size depending on the person.
Why would Sauron make a ring that fit anyone but himself?
Because the Ring has its own will to return to its creator and to change size is its parasitic adaption for it.
Also Sauron likes to shapeshift
what the frick was he thinking doing this?
>I'm gonna grab Isildurs balls
Movie plays it more dramatically, but in the books Isildur and Gil-galad fight him to a standstill until he smokes them. Literally with the latter.
>Isildur
You mean Elendil?
Isildur just cuts the ring from Sauron's "body"
Sauron can litteraly burn people when he touch them. He burned the high king of the elves and the high king of men. He wanted to do the same with the son of Elendil but Isildur cutted the Ring off his finger.
He only burned the Elf king. He never fought against Isildur, and his ring was cut off after his body had died. In Tolkien's writing, anyway
Pretty sure it had more powers but Hobbits were so out of touch with magic they only got the shitty part
Star Wars tourist here, holy shit lurking this thread is embarrassing. LoTR really does have the lamest lore and world.
How does it feel knowing 3 decades of eu was wiped out in a second and buttfricked by Disney into oblivion
>3 decades of eu was wiped out in a second
No it hasnt, my 100 or so post rotj EU books havnt suddenly disappeared from my shelves lmao
Maybe but you still pay for Disney plus
>paying for tv when torrents exist
Wut
Did anyone talk about how Gandalf is literally god/jesus christ and technically more powerful than anything in all of creation yet?
Or how any scrub elf could stomp Sauron back on their home continent?
What happens if u just keep the ring on all the time?
The Nazgul will find you. And it corrupts you like Gollum and if you last long enough you eventually become a wraith yourself.
It kinda sucks then. Just a situational tool for escaping or sneaking. If you're amoral I guess you could make a fortune as thief or assassin.
To be fair, Elves without a strong source of magic to "refresh" them eventually diminish and fade, becoming basically wraiths themselves. Hence why most need to travel to Valinor eventually.
And yes, Blizzard stole this idea for Blood Elves.
Maybe wrong but I thought the elves magic was connected to the magic of the world. And because magic was diminishing they themselves are losing their powers. And that's why they're leaving
Actually only certain Elves were permitted to sail to Valinor. The Noldor and their descendants and certain groups of Teleri. Silvan Elves and other elves that never left Middle Earth are doomed to be forestBlack folk forever.
no all the elves were leaving middle earth, iirc everyone was allowed to go back to valinor after morgoth was defeated except the sons of feanor
Yes, BACK to Valinor. Only those who had seen the light of the trees and their descendants, but none of the Moriquendi were permitted to sail west.
untrue, legolas goes to valinor despite being a sindariBlack person
Untrue it's just that they are more connected to middle earth so aren't leaving as quickly
False. All Elves were allowed to go to Valinor. The only reason they didn't initially is because, on the journey to the coast, groups of Elves became enthralled by the sights of Middle-Earth, and decided to stay. That's where all the different types of Elves come from. The Noldor are the ones who weren't allowed to sail back after having arrived, and later, left Valinor in bloodshed
Son. Singular. Only one survived, which is hilarious, since Tolkien obviously forgot about him. The rest died, so reincarnated and are in Valinor. The only elf who is denied reincarnation is Feanor himself.
iirc doesnt he jump into a giant crack in the earth or something
Forgot? He was doomed to walk along the shores forever, thats not dementia thats poetry
>Silvan Elves and other elves that never left Middle Earth are doomed
Where is this stated?
Also the Noldor aren't permitted back into Valinor, they have to dwell in Tol Eressea, forever in sight of the undying lands.
>bad guy creates ring
>it controls people because...it just does okay?
So what did they put inside it? Nanobots?
Sauron put on a fair visage and called himself Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". He befriended the Elf smiths of Eregion, including Celebrimbor (greatest of craftsmen, as he was descended from Fëanor), and counselled them in arts and magic. Not all the Elves trusted him, particularly Lady Galadriel, Elrond, and Gil-galad, High King of the Ñoldor.
To the Elves who listened, Sauron gave knowledge and encouragement in forging the Rings of Power, while he forged the One Ring in secret, to rule the Elvish rings.
However, as soon as Sauron put on the Ring the Elves sensed his treachery, and removed their rings and hid them. Enraged, Sauron came against them in open war and demanded that all Rings of Power be given to him. The Elves managed to hide the three greatest of the Rings from him, but the other sixteen Rings of Power were either captured by Sauron, destroyed, or lost. To the Dwarves he had given Seven, but to Men he had given Nine, knowing that they would be the easiest to corrupt. The Dwarf Lords who received the Rings proved to be very resistant to their power, and neither "faded" nor became enslaved to Sauron's will. The Rings, however, created in them an insatiable lust for gold, which ultimately caused a great deal of grief for the Dwarves.
Yeah but that was before the pact of Numenor in Shandor. After the tribes of Dengaria broke the millennium old pact of Eru-Shinta. After that Bingo and Bango went on their crusade against BeeBo-BaBo which culminated in peepeepoopoo
>The Dwarf Lords who received the Rings proved to be very resistant to their power,
>Jews have a resistance to israelite tricks
Who woulda thought
I feel like the rings are just so underwhelming, especially the 9 human rings. It just makes 9 kings become wraiths who can be fairly easily btfo by low ranking elves. They're a nice asset to have, but pretty miniscule. If instead, it made those 9 kings very powerful in some dark magic and corrupted their armies and populations to serve Sauron, I think the rings would be more respectable. Then Sauron would have that much more forces to wage war against elves and other men. Plus, they were the stronger version of men and would stomp the weak modern men.
Because LotR has both high and low fantasy elements depending on where you look at.
>If instead, it made those 9 kings very powerful in some dark magic and corrupted their armies and populations to serve Sauron, I think the rings would be more respectable.
That's exactly what happened to the kings and leaders of men who got the Nine Rings, you dolt. How do you think Sauron managed to wrestle complete control of the Easterling and Southrons even after getting defeated by Ar-Pharazon and the Last Alliance after that? The captain of the Nazgul was called the Witch-King of Angmar, for frick sake.
the ring makes you go wratho mode
How long until they get a tv series?
There is no way they won't be in the show surely?
See, this is the kind of shit that would have been interesting.
They incarnated as Easterlings?
Nah, kid.
>Lord of the Rings
That's a nice story, but was there a bigger Chad than Earandil entirety of Arda's history?
>starts as a gay ass mariner
>sails to the undying lands
>puts a Silmaril on his now flying boat
>when the chips are down he returns to fight the greatest dragon that ever was, and slays his ass
>can never return to Middle-earth
>but was there a bigger Chad than Earandil entirety of Arda's history?
That one Gondorian soldier who stood his ground and piked an orc before getting swarmed
never noticed, what a fricking legend
This was my favourite scene from the third film, look how shit scary that orc is, imagine running into him down a dark alleyway. They way they brutally slaughtered each other. Makes both the hobbit and the shadow of war orcs look queer
thats because they used maori's as extras to play the orcs. they were all used to performing haka's and other wardances so they got to have fun playing as orcs and living out their fantasies of killing the white man in his big castle.
i read they used to go stomping around getting drunk in the nearby towns while still in costume for laughs.
The gondorian soldiers were so gay in the movies. In the books the ghosts only cauesd fear in Sauron's forces, Gondor and Rohan had to win the battle on their own merits.
well he is the jesus figure
>hehe just some friendly horseplay with the small thirty year old men
>but when I do that with 2 girls its called molestation and I have my life destroyed
>#hobbitlivesmatter
>I swear officer I thought she was a hobbit!
Do I have to quote the goddamn book at youuneducated Philistine homosexuals AGAIN?
>"I would ask one thing before we go," said Frodo, "a thing which I often meant to ask Gandalf in Rivendell. I am permitted to wear the One Ring: why cannot I see all the
others and know the thoughts of those that wear them?"
>"You have not tried," she said. "Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed. Do not try! It
would destroy you. Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings give power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that
power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others. Yet even so, as Ring-bearer and as one that has borne it on finger and seen that which is hidden, your sight is grown keener. You have perceived my thought more clearly than many that are accounted wise. You saw the Eye of him that holds the Seven and the Nine. And did you not see and recognize the ring upon my
finger? Did you see my ring?" she asked turning again to Sam.
>"No, Lady," he answered. "To tell you the truth, I wondered what you were talking about. I saw a star through your fingers. But if you’ll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was
right. I wish you’d take his Ring. You’d put things to rights. You’d stop them digging up the Gaffer and turning him adrift. You’d make some folk pay for their dirty work."
>"I would," she said. "That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas! We will not speak more of it. Let us go!"
give the ring to frodo
The ring manifests you based on your power in the spirit realm.
Humans and hobbits have no spirit power so with the ring they are invisible.
Sauron the Chad is an angel god so with the ring he turns into gigachad
That's not exactly true. Legolas states that Aragon would become a terrible and powerful lord if he had the One Ring after he commands the ghosts of the oathbreakers to help him in the Pelargir. Men like Denethor or Boromir would also probably have immense power with the Ring.
>absolute evil's presence in the world is imperceptible
Imagine the elf rape.
Why didn’t Sauron just make a backup ring lol
>"yeah nah frick off homosexual elf I'm keeping the ring so I can uhhhhhhhhhh turn myself invisible I guess"
>ends up dying anyways
what was the next step in Isildur's master plan, exactly?
He was already mentally fricked by it.
Think of it like this
>Get given THE ONE HEROIN NEEDLE TO CONTROL THEM ALL
>have a nice day up with the cleanest, best Heroin ever made
>Ok bro, now you can throw it in the trash and get clean now :^)
Except the magical Heroin is sentient and actively trying to prevent you from destroying it. Also, shooting up makes you invisible.
>Also, shooting up makes you invisible.
To society
No, unfortunately I can still see them.
You're right, it's probably closer to magical amphetamines or coke.
I would concede the ring is like heroin for a serious addict
Heroin is nothing compared to the ring though
One makes you feel euphoria for abit
The ring literally makes your wildest dreams and goals seem guaranteed if you just take the ring for yourself. Such an overwhelming influence it will and has even made the most moral and noble person become willing to commit murder of a friend they swore to protect. Its insane
Isildur was right not to trust an elf. Especially if that elf is your great great etc. grandfather.
>Be ancient Gigahuman who is more powerful than a hundred modern men
>Have full plate armor, command large armies, surrounded by gigahuman bodyguards and capable warriors and advisors, possess the goddamn One Ring of Power
>get btfo and killed by some jobber level 2 mobs that should have died if he sneezed their direction
To be fair, Isildur and his 200 frickboys were ambushed by thousands of Orcs several times in a row.
The ring is cancer that affects everyone around it, so that probably didn't help
>what was the next step in Isildur's master plan, exactly?
Umm... Go back to Gondor and attempt to use the ring to defeat Sauron (plus anyone else who opposed him). Denethor wasn't exactly a pure moral soul so he probably wouldn't have any problem with his favourite son using the ring to increase his power and prestige even more.
Isildur, not Boromir, silly
That's movie only, book Isildur was hanging onto the ring and still planning on how best to proceed with it when he got got
Why did they leave this part out of the movies?
The Ring makes everyone invisible. There are no different powers. Isildur was invisible while he wore it and the Nazgul are also invisible under their clothes. You turn invisible because it pulls you into Sauron's shadow realm.
Kinda
It pulls everyone into the shadow realm. But the more powerful can control this and remain in the physical world. Ie gandalf
Gandalf doesn't need to control it. He's already in the spirit realm. He can always see the Nazgul, like Frodo did with the ring on
Yeah that's what I meant. The more powerful beings are able to control their presence in the different realms so the rings effect doesn't work on them.
So why didn't they just bring the ring to Valinor again?
Sauron was just about to be powerful enough to dominate and destroy all of Middle Earth without the ring. Same reason they can't just throw the ring into the ocean. He was going to win unless they destroyed it and vanquished him.
But surely Manwe could just as easily have destroyed it, right? Or it could have been destroyed in Aule's forge.
gods do they're best not to interfere
But he got BTFO again in minas tereth. That homie didn't win a single war
why doesn't Sauron turn invisible when he wears it
What's the point of putting in all that work to look like this if no one can admire him?
That's the Witch King mate.
I'm asking specifics. Tolkien's world building is supposedly the best. Is there an extra line of code in the Ring's CPU that says not to turn invisible if the sauron flag is set to on?
the ring has no power over him, tom bombadil wears the ring without effect for the same reason. Sauron controls the ring not the other way around, not to mention hes a maia and thus already partially in the wraith realm.
>comfy LOTR thread
I wish I could watch LOTR with someone. Wasnt there a website that allowed multiple people to watch something together (illegally)
answer me c**t
Yeah, it’s called pirate it and then use discord screen sharing.
thats not at all whats it called you obvious fricking newbie
Men winning the wars on their own kind of ruined the plot.
>Isengard is destroyed
>The wildmen are defeated
>Angmar is destroyed
>The Witchking is dead
>Sauronman is dead
>Mordor and the corrupted men army get completely annihilated
>but the hobbits totally saved guys haha thank the gods for destroying the ring!
>Men winning the wars on their own kind of ruined the plot.
I'm fairly confident the biggest battle that Men win on their own is the battle of Pelennor fields and it's explicitly stated that Sauron is going to come right back with an even bigger army that they can't defeat.
At the black gate they had zero hope of winning. I think it was like 6000 men against literally 80000 orcs, as well as things like trolls.
>The Witchking is dead
He would be back eventually. He was tied to the ring
>Sauronman is dead
Yeah, well, he's just a discount Sauron
>Mordor and the corrupted men army get completely annihilated
It wasn't all his force. The point of the final battle at the Black Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture
>but the hobbits totally saved guys haha thank the gods for destroying the ring!
Yeah, they did
>The point of the final battle at the Black Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture
The point of the final battle at the Hot Gates is that it's a completely doomed venture
Bravo Tolkien. Now explain your tax policy.
Aragon was saurons biggest threat. The only way to give frodo an opportunity was to give sauron an irresistible bait.
It was meant to be a weak stand so sauron would definitely go for it. Banking on frodo succeeding before they lost
Spain is garbage.
Thats the thing about the ring, it whispers right into your fears and desires to get you fall into corruption and then you become the ring' slave.
This is what is actually so terrifying about it
Gandalf said that dragon fire could melt the ring but whatever ones were left wouldn't dare try to do so. Why do you think that is? They're greedy, they probably could be coaxed.
Dragonfire couldn't melt the One Ring. Gandalf even said that if Angalacon the Black, the most powerful dragon ever was still alive, even his fire couldn't destroy the One Ring.
It also creates an interesting scenario that at least some can be reasoned with. Makes sense, since it's explicitly stated that dragons had enough willpower to throw off Morgoth's influence.
>since it's explicitly stated that dragons had enough willpower to throw off Morgoth's influence.
How? Hell, aren't they made of his influence?
They were beings corrupted by his powers yes, but Dragons also guard Melkor's prison doors.
>but Dragons also guard Melkor's prison doors.
I'm pretty that isn't true. All the Dragons fought for Melkor. They were of his design, to some degree, like the Orcs. I don't think it's ever said anywhere that dragons guard the Door of Night
Dragons are a strange thing, not entirely explained by Tolkien. Morgoth's creations were supposed to be lesser mockeries of Eru's, but dragons have no "good" version, since giant eagles ---> wyverns.
My personal theory is that Dragons were "built" by Morgoth but possessed by maia in his service.
As for orcs here is my theory:
> in all the gifts of his brethren, Morgoth had a part
He created orc bodies out of slime and tortured elf corpses but used his part of Mandos' gift to forcefully reincarnate them into these wretched bodies, which explains why orcs can reproduce and somehow pass mutilation on to their descendants.
it could be argued that Tolkiens notes about Morgoth not being able to "create" life is just like how Aule could create dwarves that were basically just automatons until Eru blew the spark of life into them. So Morgoth wasnt necessarily bound to just taking Good thing A and turning it into bad thing B, he just had to power it with some lesser spirit or otherwise. Like Nazghuls or Dragons which were Balrog spirits given scales
>Like Nazghuls
Did you mean Nazguls? If you did, those don't really fall into the same category
they sort of do actually. Theyre twisted ruined beings that the evil lord put under his dominion
well he could for sure create *beings* he just couldnt create true *life* which I take to mean beings with souls, since its Tolkien and his Catholicism we are talking about here. So I personally dont think its out of the question that Morgoth created things like Trolls out of Clay (in mockery of ents yeah yeah), and basically made them dumb animals that just fricked around, not really *alive* in the sense even though they evidently talked and moved. Catholics didnt start thinking animals had souls until the 90s. But Im aware that Tolkien also had a problem with Orchs being irredeemable and wholly evil creatures so hey, its all headcanon from any side
>they sort of do actually. Theyre twisted ruined beings that the evil lord put under his dominion
Except they were humans before they were given their rings by Sauron. They still have Eru given souls and are nothing like a Balrog or Dragon
>They still have Eru given souls
>are nothing like a Balrog
My brother in christ you do know that a Balrog/Valaraukar is most definitely a being of Eru since it is a maiar, and just like the Nazgul they were swayed by the forces of evil to serve them. I.e they were corrupted. I.e they follow the same path in life.
Also Dragons are widely regarded as these Valaraukar spirits given scales and bred in the dungeons of Angband.
>My brother in christ you do know that a Balrog/Valaraukar is most definitely a being of Eru since it is a maiar
You misunderstand. I said they're nothing like Balrogs, because they're not Maia, and nothing like Dragons, because they were humans with human souls, not created creatures of questionable origin
Your touching on the truth
Basically morgoths power wasn't enough to create life or anything else from nothing.
He could however with his power level warp and change creations. And tbh not for bad exclusively but he went that way.
With the dwarfs you are right that they weren't fully created until eru used his power to bring them to life. Eru was abit troubled by aule because he worried he was like morgoth. But later he saw aule wasn't this.
>With the dwarfs you are right that they weren't fully created until eru used his power to bring them to life
In fact, Aule realized they "are" because he thought he had to destroy them, so he lifted his hammer and witnessed them trembling in fear (realizing they were "true" now, and that Eru realized his wish).
Name one dragon
Scatha the Worm.
You mean Scatha Wormtongue?
No you're thinking of Scatha Saurontongue, a corrupted Eagle who Gandalf exposed to his pack, hence them owing him a favor as of "The Hobbit".
Drogon (bravo, George)
He thought possibly
So would a dragon not become tempted by the one ring before destroying it?
Never found out until recently that LOTR is a prequel to real life. Like Conan's Hyboria. The work that spawned every other fantasy genre was itself low fantasy and depicting the dying of magic.
Red Book of Westmarch, yeah.
Tolkien wanted Middle-Earth to be a Mythos for England the same way that Greece and Scandinavia get to have Mythos.
It's more complicated. Like many of his ideas, he would go back and forth between various versions. The final one, I believe, is that Arda was an alternative Earth, not "our" one. As he put it - at a different stage of imagination.
What would happen if Warwick Davis wore the ring
It would make him a 6'5'' gigachad who can find the locations of anyone who mentions his name on Cinemaphile.
Why didn't they just fly planes in them?