>Black Adam 2 where Black Adam and Superman team up, but don't fight yet.
>Hawkman spinoff series introducing Hawkgirl.
>Doctor Fate spinoff movie introducing the new Doctor Fate, with Pierce Brosnan's Kent Nelson returning as a ghost mentor.
>Cyclone & Atom-Smasher spinoff series where they meet other legacies of the founding members of the Justice Society.
>JSA spinoff movie.
>Black Adam 3 adapting "World War III" where Black Adam goes nuclear after Kahndaq is destroyed and the Justice League, Justice Society and Suicide Squad are sent to stop him, leading to the Superman/Black Adam fight.
Would it have been kino?
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Better than the shit we're going to get.
Had no idea things got this bad.
The movies were used to fake the funk when it comes to movies not being dead and launder a frickton of money.
what a disingenuous image.
Gunn/Safran hasn'r released a single movie yet; all those movies listed were filmed in 2021/2022 when Hamada was in charge.
>Aquaman was the highest grossing DCEU movie
>Aquaman 2 was the highest grossing DCEU movie post-Aquaman
Aquaman was the real future of the DCEU and they wasted to use him until the end
Nobody is seriously judging Gunn on the dogshit he inherited. Let's see how Creature Commandos, Waller, and Superman Legacy do.
Why does Superman Legacy have like 40+ characters in it?
Probably to make the the setting established and lived in compared to the MCU right off the bat, I mean the actual plot is about Superman trying to show all these various "morally grey" or "pragmatic" superhero teams a better method that actually prioritizes the innocents instead of the greater good.
>the actual plot is about Superman trying to show all these various "morally grey" or "pragmatic" superhero teams a better method that actually prioritizes the innocents instead of the greater good.
Sounds lame and preachy.
>that massive differences in both Aquaman movies
Holy shit
First one was really good; second was not, and delayed.
Movies were used to hype up the movie going experience and launder a frickton of money.
There was a huge boycott campaign against it due to Heard vs Depp. I had coworkers, my wife's friends, and even my D&D group that I had to hide the fact that I saw it from. I'm surprised it made anything.
Honestly yes since there is a lot more build up. Focusing spinoffs and more with TV shows hasn't worked for MCU and won't work for DC. The only time it worked was with Agents of Shield and that did it's own thing. The Arrowverse was all contained with the TV shows too.
That really puts things in perspective.
I don't get it, was there some kind of event or thing that happened in early 2020 that caused such a huge dropoff in theater ticket sales? This is weird. Like some kind of other something happened in 2020 independent of the film studio that caused theaters to start failing.
I know you're being cheeky, but the dropoff in box office starts before the pandemic (shazam and birds of prey) and never got back to its previous height after it ended. The more simple explanation is that those movies just aren't good. You could pass generic superhero films and make money off them 5 or 6 years ago, but audiences obviously are gravitating away from it.
This is why I'm excited for the Gunnverse. What the DC films need right now are storytellers with strong creative instincts, not corporate produced slop.
Endgame had come and gone. That's it. Capes were all riding Marvel's coattails, and Marvel lived and died on the meta-narrative leading into Endgame.
BTW this has happened repeatedly over the course of cinematic history. Happened with Westerns, happened with 80s action flicks, happened with Blaxploitation and YA book adaptations. There's a huge surge of the genre, and then there's a film that puts a cap on the zeitgeist, and then they stop performing well.
I told myself to enjoy superhero films and living in that period back in like 2015, because even then I knew the genre was going to peak and then disappear.
Maybe they're done being billion dollar tentpoles, but I'm not convinced the genre is cooked. Westers were still made for decades after their peak and a lot of them are legitimately great (Unforgiven being the classic example). They're still being made too, albeit mostly on Netflix. But The Batman performed well, as did Spider-Verse 2 while The Marvels, Shazam 2, Black Adam etc all underpreformed. What this points to is that audiences will probably not automatically turn up for every superhero movie - but the ones that are genuinely good, creative and interesting will drive word of mouth ticket sales and be successful.
They key to a successful blockbuster in the post-pandemic era are "event films" where they're not only good but also popular and memed in the internet. It's why the most successful MCU film after Endgame was NWH, everyone wanted to see it for the fanservice and cameos.
I could see is moving to paradigm where the big capeshit cinematic universes aren't a thing.
Characters like Batman and Spider-Man will still get movies, but like, less popular heroes won't be big events outside of the occasional Blade-like success stories.
Basically how things were pre-MCU.
Well yeah, that's what I was getting at.
>This is why I'm excited for the Gunnverse. What the DC films need right now are storytellers with strong creative instincts, not corporate produced slop.
Kek, that made me chuckle a bit. Gunn's movies are the epitome of corpo capeslop.
This is cope, clearly coming from someone who just personally dislikes Gunn and isn't looking at his work objectively. Gunn balances crowd-pleasing blockbuster, his signature brand of storytelling (soundtrack mixing, long shots, practical effects), and the demands of adaptations all effectively. There's a reason everybody thinks of the GOTG trilogy as the best MCU films, while every other Marvel movie - especially post Endgame - has flopped. It's because Gunn knows what he's doing.
This post has "I wrote my own Wikipedia article" energy.
By the way, everything you said only applies to Marvel. His DC movie bombed hard, and then the last DCEU movies he vouched for all ate shit too.
>His DC movie bombed hard
His DC movie, which as released during a historic pandemic, and simultaneously released on a shitty streaming service? Blaming Gunn for the box office of TSS is braindead, and just shows you aren't looking at things rationally.
>His DC movie, which as released during a historic pandemic, and simultaneously released on a shitty streaming service?
Dune and Godzilla v Kong also released day-and-date during the pandemic yet made way more in theaters than The Suicide Squad. You don't have an excuse, his film bombed on it's own merits.
>then the last DCEU movies he vouched for all ate shit too.
Also wtf is this braindead comment??? He's literally running DC now, do you think he was actually going to say "yeah sorry guys these movies my company made are dogshit just don't go to them, wait a year and a half for my movie instead" why even type out a comment like this? just thinking about this logically for 3 seconds would have prevented you from making such a ridiculous statement
>He's literally running DC now, do you think he was actually going to say "yeah sorry guys these movies my company made are dogshit just don't go to them
No, and that wasn't my point. Gunn as the CEO said these movies were good and audiences completely rejected all four of them. What does that tell you? You can't scapegoat to Snyder who was already gone for several years. You can't scapegoat to a pandemic since by 2023 pepple stopped caring about catchinf covid. The problem is with Gunn himself since he did a terrible job communicating his plan for DC.
>Shazam 2 might show up in my DCU!
>The Flash reboots to my new DCU!
>Blue Beetle is the first character of my new DCU!
>Aquaman is...aw who gives a frick, here's Orm eating a wienerroach
A dropoff was inevitable because in the last decade people in Hollywood were making subpar work, while spending time getting into fights with the audience and having shills and critics help them gaslight people. You can make subpar work, but attacking the audience for not liking it on a large scale, is asking for trouble. Supposing COVID never happened, the turning point was when the Sonic movie outperformed Birds of Prey. People were furious that the Sonic movie dared to change the design just because the audience demanded it and once you realize that it meant they were afraid Hollywood would take audience demands more seriously, then you get why they got mad
You people fascinate me. You should be studied in a lab. "having shills and critics help them gaslight people" "attacking the audience for not liking" subpar works. What are you even talking about? What happened in your head that made you believe all this? Don't you think a much simpler explanation here is the sonic movie made more money because it was a family friendly blockbuster and birds of prey was an r-rated off-brand boring movie.
Your life will be much easier if you accept occam's razor in these cases. If Hollywood could gaslight people into spending money on movies, there would be no such thing as a box office flop, because the marketing team would just brainwash people into believing the product was good.
Don't gaslight, I'm not falling for your tricks again
>I don't get it, was there some kind of event or thing that happened in early 2020 that caused such a huge dropoff in theater ticket sales?
Yeah. Snyder left.
People tend to forget that director is more important than the characters.
There's a notable difference between a "superhero movie" and a "superhero movie directed by Zack Snyder" in people's eyes. Fanboys don't recognize this because they don't see the director like normal people do.
People see Zack Snyder's name and think "Watchmen, one of the best superhero movies of all time."
moron
Nice try.
Still had the blue hog beating everything that year.
Sonic was the last movie before Covid quarantine. Theaters that closed by me had it on the marquee for months. One that never reopened still had it up until the property was bought up.
Lockdowns killed movies in general, and Streaming only drastically changed how people consume media where Streaming is the biggest way. Even so, most streaming shows don't get as many views as most popular youtube videos. A single Mr.Beast video out performed all of Disney's new content outside Bleuy for views.
It's kind of interesting to see that Black Adam did so well when compared to the recent movies. I guess the actor really does make the success of the movie, huh?
Wait, what? THE Suicide Squad by everyone's beloved James Gunn made 5 times less money then that 2016 half-baked flick? And how the frick did WB decide to make Gunn their new DCU movies division executive after that disaster?
>And how the frick did WB decide to make Gunn their new DCU movies division executive after that disaster?
He did Guardians.
He's also the ony who accepted the offer, and only after Safran agreed to co-produce.
>He did Guardians.
For Marvel/Disney. His only DCEU movie flopped hard, and right after that WB appoints him as their new exec in charge of all new DC Studios movies and TV series. That makes no sense whatsoever.
The absolute state of the DCEU meant nobody was interested by that point. Plus the old movie's reputation wasn't exactly stellar.
Can't imagine the name confusion helped either.
>released in cinemas during covid
>released simultaneously on streaming
>audiences feeling burnt after the first Suicide Squad
>a title that doesn't really distinguish it from that previous shitty film, only adding a definite article
>the DCEU in general being a mess
Seriously. Couldn't he have found a better name for it? Even the birds of prey movie got a better title change.
Capeshit is just dying
Deadpool and Wolverine is about break a billion dollars but go ahead and continue with your narrative. Two more weeks, and trust the plan.
Pretending like the Snyder movies made a ton of money because of their quality instead of the fact that they had big names and were meant to start the DCEU.
Hell, one could argue that the reason the later movies did so poorly is because the Snyder movies soured DC's reputation with the general public.
Birds of Prey is still the worst movie of that bunch
Snyder was truly the one-eyed king in the land of the blind.
>t.sneederjeet tourist
I still don't know how Snyder got his version of Justice League released. I'm just as surprised that it was somehow better.
>snyderpajeets still conflate money with quality
>when the MC BTFOs these numbers all the time on average and has been shit since AoU
>when fricking star wars 9 still made a billion dollars
>Project sets out to make money
>Money isn't indicative of quality
I can't hear your excuses with Gunn's toes in your mouth
money means nothing, is all about legacy.
That's why you keep seeing phoenix's joker memes after so many years, but no one talks about the last batman film
>Black Adam movie featuring Dr Fate and Hawkman
>No tie-in to the flashback scenes in Ancient Kandahq
Johnson was the latest in a long line of movie hacks who had little to no knowledge of the shit they were adapting. Even a cursory glance at Wikipedia would make a semi-competent screenwriter go "these guys all lived in oldy times! OUR movie has oldy times!"
Johnson's ideas were fricked from inception. Say whatever you want about Gunn and his movies, at least he's a comic-reading turbovirgin.
I still can't believe they missed that. I was actually excited about it.
Also I know that complaining about raceswapping is basically screaming into the void now, but black Hawkman? If they didn't want him to be white they could have at least made him Egyptian, which would have been more fitting for the character's lore. The black guy could have been Mister Terrific instead. They even gave him a bunch of modern tech which makes more sense for Terrific than Hawkman.
Could've easily made him black and Egyptian, since nobody really cares what race the ancient Egyptians were and they've been portrayed by everyone from Scottish to Hawaiian to Zimbabwean.
>Could've easily made him black and Egyptian, since nobody really cares
Americans wouldn't care. Everyone else does.
This is the thing that's weird to me. It makes a lot of sense why black people would want to think that Ancient Egyptians were black. It doesn't really make any sense at all that white people would want to think that Ancient Egyptians were white.
On that note, it's also weird to me that the Tartarian Empire wackos don't apply the same logic to, like, Congo, where it would actually make sense to wipe out and then hide an ancient influential culture and history (for the best reason of all: capitalist reasons).
>It doesn't really make any sense at all that white people would want to think that Ancient Egyptians were white.
We don't. We just know that they weren't black. Genetic testing on mummies confirmed that ancient egyptians were closer to anatolians.
You mean the mummies who are younger then the bandages they are wrapped in by centuries?
You're an example of one of the weird white people I was talking about. Y'all have Stonehenge and the other place that's kind of like Stonehenge and those French caves. The problem with Franco-German-Anglos is that what you have is never enough. Mediterraneans just want to eat good food and even the Nords are mostly just like, "Let us be cold and not feed our kids' friends in peace," but you insist on dragging them along on your weirdness.
homie, no one gives a shit about what your grandmother said about blacks in egypt
That is a great fricking point.
>Say whatever you want about Gunn and his movies, at least he's a comic-reading turbovirgin.
weird way of saying serial child rapist
They considered doing it, but said it just overcomplicated the narrative and undermined the movie's big twist.
I'm so fricking tired of Rock. He wants to be everything, but he's only good at a few things.
>The sandBlack folk squatting in Egypt do
The sandBlack folk squatting in Egypt don't contribute a lot to the global Box Office and so don't matter shit.
Also, you are now just screaming into the void about raceswapping. Genuinely nobody gives a shit about your redneck rants, go record a video in your truck about it.
>but the mere idea that they were black confuses and upsets them.
Because it's horse shit.
t. European
The actual egyptians were dead for millenia before your litterarl street shitter, I mean threw your fricking shit into the streets onto everyone that was tupid enough to be beneath your windows, were able to fricking read and write as a rule.
We know your neuvau/ghetto riche european stock tried to buy themselves into nobility by claiming the pyramids were the resting places of their long dead ancestors and the egyptology is a giant fricking scam.
I can't wait until the Gunnverse kicks off and we can put to rest all these fricking DCEU threads. Why do you guys care so much about a universe that has already been declared dead? Couldn't you spend your time thinking about anything else? Most of those movies aren't even good. DC fans don't like them. Marvel fans don't like them. Normie movie-goers don't like them. Even DCEU fans don't like most of the DCEU movies.
It's time to move on.
Rebooting the DCEU is the best decision they ever made. I just wish it happened much sooner.
It's not a real reboot if they're still keeping the Waller and Peacemaker stuff.
Begone, zaslbots.
Ultimately, DC needed a reboot, and I'm onboard for the characters and vibe that Gunn is going for
But the plot description of the Black Adam verse sounds better than what we got in Snyder's movies.
There were only a few bright spots: momoa's Aquaman, blue beetle, gunn's TSS, the first Shazam, the *idea* of Keaton coming back as Old Man Bruce.
Flashpoint was an abomination and Gadot sucked. If Gunn wasn't an option, I guess I'd go with a dual plan of: the BA verse with Cavill and the JSA and a futuristic "Beyond" verse with Old Man Bruce assembling "The Titans" and it's a cyberpunk teen thing with Nightwing, Batgirl, Supergirl, Blue Beetle
I still say Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman,and even Wonder Woman sold more on the names of the famous characters; not Snyder's film making. I think Snyder's horrible films killed any hype for future films with those beloved characters, even before Whedon worked on any cut of the Justice League film.
Snyder killed the future of DC films. He didn't save them.
Certainly The Rock's ego trip didn't help.
>Snyder's horrible films killed any hype for future films with those beloved characters
Robert Pattinson's Batman was pretty universally loved and made a lot of money. Almost as much as Batman v Superman iirc. I don't think it killed any hype at all, people just don't wanna watch bad movies anymore. As many problems as I have with Snyder's films, they do not compare in the slightest to the pure concentrated slogfest that was Black Adam and Shazam 2. even Wonder Woman 2 was a significant downgrade.
>Robert Pattinson's Batman was pretty universally loved
que?
Yes
people will really eat whatever horseshit as long as it has batman on it
Sí
>homelander, but the people still cheer anyway
the paradigmerinos have shifted
Why did rock become obsessed with saying hierarchy of power
Sounds cool.
All people wanted was Black Adam fighting Shazam
That doesn't work for Rick brother
People didn't care about Shazam enough to want that.
Anyone who knows anything about Black Adam knows he is "Shazam, but bad guy." Even people who didn't know anything about him and then saw the movie could tell that. To say no one wanted to see them fight in the movies is outright lying.
Who wanted to see black adam fighting the embarassing c**t in a rubber suit who acted more childish then the kid he was suppsed to be an adult version of.
NO one.
Not a single solitary person in the geeksphere online careed about shazam fightng black adam.
It's a handful of comic geeks but 99.9% wb shills pretending there's an issue where there was none.
>acted more childish then the kid he was suppsed to be an adult version of.
How could he be more childish of who he is?
You're so right, anon. Nobody saw "good Shazam" and "bad Shazam" and wanted or expected them to be connected at any point. You have such a big smart brain.
Show me.
You keep saying it's this big horrible thing that people were super duper pissed about and all of the anger towards the BA movie ws about that.
But go on.
Show me at least 5 youtube videos and or five comic geek articles about it.
Hell show me something on social media that isn't obviously written by bots or shills.
I'll wait.
Oh, so now it's gone from "Who wanted it?" to "Who was super duper pissed about it?"
>Show me
No, I don't think I will. I'll wait for you to finish moving your goalpost first.
>written by bots or shills
>Only bots or shills would want to a hero fight one of their most notable villains
Less then fricking NO ONE giave a single solitary sidewasy frick about Shazam.
FRICKING NO ONE
Maybe if they tried making a movie that respected the characters they were adapting instead of this aging action star's vanity project the entire universe wouldn't have gotten scrapped.
And who wanted to see a middle aged out of shape israelite in a massive rubger suit pull a full "how are you doing fellow kids" thing for an hour and a half?
And be inundated with the most fricking cringy advertising on the planet.
What do you want to respect? The frick do you want to respect about the WILDLY non-canon Shazam other then making black adam this fricking losers bad guy in a desperate pathetic attempt to give him relevance?
Is it because it's geoff johns shitty story that is now totally non-canon and could be written out completely?
The frick do they get out of following the embarassing comic book stories 100% and not just picking and choosing.
PS. The aging old fricks star power was able to sell that movie better shazam 2 with WB's full backing, marketing, and ass kissing, and levy being butt buddies with hamada.
IT BOMBED. Shit it did better then Aquaman 2 based on that aging action stars name alone.
No one cares about the nerd crap. The characters, story and setting have to appeal to the general movie going audience, not the minority of turbo needs.
ITT: SEETHING SNYDER PAJEETS
& Atom-Smasher spinoff series where they meet other legacies of the founding members of the Justice Society.
I wondered who they were gonna show for this
Like were they still doing an embargo where the Stargirl uses characters that the movies weren't going to?
Given that they already spent money on all this shit, what are they gonna do if Superman flops?
>what are they gonna do if Superman flops?
Not "if", but "when". It's inevitable that it will flop, because of the capeslop fatigue and because Superman is not as popular now as he was 10 years ago, not even remotely. And there was a thread on Cinemaphile a few days ago where an insider who worked on this movie up until recently wrote that the bosses really didn't like the direction Gunn was taking the franchise and his half-campy style, so they told him to make the movie "a little more serious without making it grim," i.e. they don't want it to be as exciting as GotG, but they don't want it to be like Snyder's version either. Although they originally promised him complete creative freedom as to what he wanted this new universe to be, they are now backing away from that promise. They are essentially doing the same thing they did towards Snyder during the filming of BvS and JL. But at least Snyder got Man of Steel, which he shot exactly the way he wanted, even though the script wasn't his, and he ended up getting his director's cuts of both BvS and JL as well. I doubt James Gunn will get as much fan support as Snyder, he just doesn't have the same dedicated fan base as Zack, and most people aren't as enthusiastic about his movie as they were about Snyder's Man of Steel.
It's also worth noting that Gunn isn't as charismatic and decisive as Snyder or the Rock. He doesn't command the same respect they do.
While Snyder and the Rock could assure their higher-ups that things are going to go well at signs of trouble, Gunn can't. So he's far more inclined to compromise his vision to suit the whims of executives.
>Black Adam becomes the most specialist, most powerfulest character ever and all the other characters stand no chance against him
Jesus fricking Christ, Dwayne. You're not special. You made Tooth Fairy, for frick's sake.
I really wanted to see the Doctor Fate spinoff so bad
>Gunngays during the first week of the release of Superman Legacy [picrel]
No. Black Adam has nothing to him and every time I hear "shazam" I have vomit convulsions.
Even stuff like Deadpool is dying in popularity now. All of the multiverse shit in the trailers for Deadpool has killed a lot of interest for many people. So i don't really think Superman legacy has a chance with trying to cram so much shit in it at once. You seriously have to question why shit like Hawkman is going to be a secondary hero when it should try to be mostly about Superman.
Yeah dude, Deadpool & Wolverine has ZERO hype
how to spot a MCU baby.
It's Hawkgirl this time but I agree, putting in so many characters for the first movie shows a lack of confidence in Superman carrying supposedly his own film.
If it was major characters like Batman and Wonder Woman I would agree, but Mr Terrific? Metamorpho? Engineer? These are b-listers at best, side characters to showcase the established world that Superman lives in.
It doesn't matter what "list" they are since they're all getting spinoff series (Guy is getting Lanterns, Mr Terrific and Metamorpgo are getting Strange Adventures and The Terrifics, the Engineer is getting The Authority, etc) and thus aren't just quick cameos.