Man, Season 7 just adds a different context when you rewatch the series now.
Also is The Monarch just Rusty's brother or his EVIL clone.
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Man, Season 7 just adds a different context when you rewatch the series now.
Also is The Monarch just Rusty's brother or his EVIL clone.
Half-brother. That whole talk about fertility treatments was an excuse to bang his mom.
>My science is quite potent
>Also is The Monarch just Rusty's brother or his EVIL clone.
I think it'll be there was no real original, but Jonas made a single batch of genetically engineered children with a handful of differences and both he and Rusty are from that.
I mean Dean is clone of Rusty too, maybe hank he made naturally?
Both Hank and Dean were confirmed by Hammer and Publick to be "real" children who had natural births.
Then why did Ben's robot think Dean was Rusty?
Familial resemblance. What, did you think the robot only saw him as a collection of DNA and wasn't actually looking at his physical appearance?
Because he didn't know what Rusty looked like now, if at all, and was going off context clues of Dean saying he was the clone of a Dead Venture Boy that Ben helped make, but RELPeR only knew of Rusty.
>Then why did Ben's robot think Dean was Rusty?
Because he's been shut in a house for over 40 years and has no knowledge of the fact that Rusty Venture grew up and had sex and produced sons. It's not that hard to figure out.
>I think it'll be there was no real original, but Jonas made a single batch of genetically engineered children with a handful of differences and both he and Rusty are from that.
The fact that JJ exists confirms that Rusty is a clone of the original Rusty Venture.
>The fact that JJ exists confirms that Rusty is a clone of the original Rusty Venture.
I don't understand your logic here.
Rewatch the episode with Ben
>Hammer and Publick
Please don't bring up those homosexuals ever again, let's just pretend VB exists without them.
>Lets pretend the show creators who are the primary writers and voice actors don't exist
Black person what?
Yeah.They're gay and it's wrong and the art needs to separated from the gaywrong artists.
what makes them gay
Anon...
It's a medical condition, Dino.
I agree.
>let's just pretend VB exists without the two guys who created it and wrote nearly every episode
>my science is especially potent
Damn, Jonas...
The single worst thing Blue Morpho ever did was rescue Jonas Venture from Spider Skull Island. I can't imagine how many lives he ruined by doing that.
>Also is The Monarch just Rusty's brother or his EVIL clone.
OP, you're thinking too small.
Jonas fricked. A LOT.
At least half of the cast is his offspring.
That's real reason the show is called "The Venture Brothers".
Hank and Dean aren't "The Venture Brothers". It's everyone else.
Also, the real twist is that the show will end with an imaginary time-skip sequel called "The Samson Brothers" detailing Brock's offspring becoming its own hodgepodge of villains and heroes.
Did we ever get confirmation on who Billy's father is?
His mom has been hiding a deathbed confession from him for a while, and it's be willing to bet it's that Dr. Jonas is his real father
I think the rule is that "if they have red hair, they're a Venture".
I put Pete White as a potential on that list, too.
Nah. Pete’s like Orpheus, a friend of the family. Billy, we know his mom was a heroine back in the day.
>Pete’s like Orpheus, a friend of the family.
Sure, but the fact that we don't know his real hair color still means he could be a ginger for all we know.
It wouldn't be done for any reason in the plot other than to drive home how much Dr. Jonas fricked around.
>but the fact that we don't know his real hair color
...he's an albino. White is his real hair color.
>...he's an albino.
That's what I'm getting at.
What color would his hair be if he weren't an albino?
Probably just black
Not him, but it's not an unreasonable assumption that his disguise while hosting Quizboys would be based on his family's skin and hair.
You could also argue that black is more unassuming, which serves better purpose as a disguise.
No it's just a theory but I think it holds water since she was close to Venture, apparently a single mother, and red hair.
>Rose’s hair was red when she was younger
Honestly I’d put my money on Rodney (The Action Man) it’s implied they had a relationship before that didn’t work out because of his anger and “serum” problems
Billy is a Venture, half brother to both Rusty and Malcolm
I'm not sure Rose would have taken Jonas' bullshit considering she was Triple Threat.
She was on top of Jonas not the other way
Billy was a rape baby and he's still ignorant to the fact that his mom was a super-heroine (Triple Threat, who was raped by a big headed super villain while under mind control), which was her big secret she is desperate to keep from Billy since it would lead to him finding out that he only exists because said big headed villain raped his mom.
This... checks out more than I'd like it to?
I like gigachad Jonas having a bunch of kids and each and every one of them being not just freaks but also better people than him. He saw himself as a "Great Man" and thought that made him infallable, and every child is proof of why he was wrong.
It's years of dealing with radiation, toxic chemicals, and harmful space rays that fricked Jonas' DNA up to the point where all his kids are malformed little people or mentally damaged addicts.
The man probably researched cloning to see if he could create a true heir to the Venture legacy since all his kids were turning up scrawny little weirdos or big headed, one foot tall freaks.
I thought that the cloning thing was just him trying to find immortality, between that, Venturion, and the PROBLEM.
It fricks me up that this show got cancelled and Rick and Morty gets to still stand.
I think I like the half-brothers cliche. It's so obvious but I think it'd be a solid dynamic.
Rusty always wants to be better than members of his family, and it'd so fit the Monarch if he did the "you are my own flesh and BLOOD, but I HATE YOU!"
Will everyone get a happy ending following Season 7's message of "success", or will it have everyone get a shitty ending?
Operation P.R.O.M. was gonna be a series finale, and I thought it was left on a optimistic note
about as optimistic as the Venture bros could possibly get.
Dean would have been proper fricked.
I think bittersweet most likely, they've said in commentaries they don't want an ending that wraps everything up so neatly. So I think the boys will get some kind of closure with their mom, Rusty and Monarch too, but they'll still be living in a chaotic world of bullshit that none of them really chose and won't ever truly leave them be they'll still have their flaws but they'll live through it.
>they'll still be living in a chaotic world of bullshit that none of them really chose
Trapped in a world they never made!
post cute pics of 21
I still don't think we have the whole story. I know for a fact that Blue morpho's wife is the villain in the new movie and that Jonas did something extra cruel with her, i can just feel it.
That and the original Hank/Dean live with their mom
This is the post of a legitimate madman.
I hope it's true, though...
>Gary proving his unwavering loyalty to not his "boss" but to his "best friend"
Honestly I kind of wish Monarch and Gary stayed as Blue Morpho and Kano. I thought they looked excellent in suits.
Gary's character development was absolutely phenomenal and not something I was expecting. I like the parallel between his first fight with Brock, and then his second fight after he got bloated.
"Brock Sampson... We meet at last."
"Do I... know you?"
"Oh, don't give me that shit!"
I'm unironically a Gary in real life, down to the body type, pony tail, and toy collections, only instead of being a henchman to a total bro, I'm the life-long married partner of a business executive tomboy who wants me to stay strong-fat so she's the one in the relationship wearing the six-pack abs.
Is Jonas maybe the one objectively "bad guy" in the VB universe? We've had characters who killed a entire boyscout troupe, and a rapist, but I can still find endearing qualities about them. Jonas Senior, I think is just a butthole. I don't like him in any capacity, and I've never felt that way about any other character in the show. Even when he comes back to life, the first thing he does is try to boss Rusty around and frick over Blue Morpho.
The problem with Jonas is he doesn't recognize his actions as being morally wrong, and thus he still thinks of himself as a good guy. Even most villains in the show understand that they're "bad guys" and accept it.
>Is Jonas maybe the one objectively "bad guy" in the VB universe?
I have trouble seeing Jonas Sr. as being any worse than Rusty.
Rusty is worse in just about every regard, and unlike Jonas, he's aware what he's doing is wrong and just goes forward with it anyway.
So, who pulled the lever on Gargantua-1? I think they implied that the Blue Morpho/Vendetta didn't have the heart to do it, plus he said "I don't remember that", which was just Jonas manipulating his friend once again.
Rusty is objectively a better person than Jonas Senior. He made sure his illegitimate son was taken care of and given a career, he respected the wishes of his mother to leave the family alone (after the mess with what happened to the boys), actually tried to be more hands on with his two sons, said he'd use the Orb for the benefit of man, had a chance to be a top dog super villain then instead chose to be naked and broke. He emulates a lot of the negative things his father put onto him, but he's raised Hank and Dean better than Jonas did with Rusty. Rather than pulling down Dean's shorts and hitting his penis with a shrink ray, he gave the boys money to take girls out on a date away from the compound. Rusty is also the only adult in any room, everyone else is too concerned with playing their silly little game of dress up. He's not a perfect person and maybe the difference between him and his father is razor thin, but he's still knows when what he's doing is wrong. Jonas was fine with manipulating, cucking, possibly murdering, and backstabbing what he considered a friend.
>So, who pulled the lever on Gargantua-1?
One theory is that l Bud Manstrong might have accidently saw the porn tape while getting the movie ready and fainted onto the controls due to him being a pansy who can't handle sexual content
>but he's still knows when what he's doing is wrong.
That's the problem though.
He knows what he's doing is wrong, but he still does stuff like drugging "prostitutes" and getting them all killed.
You also say that Rusty is a "better father". But he hasn't actually applied any time or effort into raising the boys. He just lazily rides off his inheritance and reuses the same toys and contraptions that his dad built for him to raise Hank and Dean.
If Rusty had invented his own cloning machine or sleep teacher to help Hank and Dean, I could at least give him credit. But in the end, he's not even using his own money or success to provide for his kids.
Going further into Rusty being the better man than Jonas, I like the angle the later seasons take exploring how Jonas was a friend collector who actively sought people out to exploit then forget about when they no longer amused him, but Rusty just sort of naturally accumulates people who genuinely care about him even when he doesn't want them around.
Pic unrelated I just enjoyed him and the little moments he had despite being so evil Brock and Shore Leave were supposed to execute him then and there. I'd say Baron Ünderbheit is only one even more evil than Jonas since he's supposed to be Doom + Evil dictator
Cigar?
Jonas is an egotistical, psychopathic narcissist. However, he's also an ubermensch which, depending on your moral outlook, would permit him to do things that the rest of us see as reprehensible. In fact, the Blue Morpho sex tape could even be twisted in his mind as him having leverage over a "villain", because when he first meets Blue Morpho, he puts him in an arm lock and says he's heard nothing good about him.
They're usually less developed like Ted and Valerie of the Groovy Gang don't seem like they have a redeemable quality to them, several villains aren't developed beyond being evil buttholes for the sake of it, like Torrid for instance is just Dollar Store Dorammu who wanted to unleash Cthulu for the fun of it, the Investors are kind of cheating since it's implicit they're not even human, Sovereign is more sympathetic about it but he did try to murder everyone just to tie up loose ends, the Moppets are creepy little psychos,Jonas just seems the worst because he's sold as a Good Guy and has negatively impacted most characters in personal and realer ways. Sure drop a space station out of the sky killing hunders for giggles, but telling your twelve year old son that you medically deem him an ingrate who doesn't appreciate all the nice things you give him because he feels scared and alone cuts deeper.
To be fair most Dermott's stuff was literally Dermott's "mom" threatening to sue him into the ground and send his ass to jail. He basically forgot about him until he put 2 and 2 together and his dad mentality kicked in, also Dermott says he basically blackmailed Rusty into getting him the OSI job. Also Brock gave the boys money on the date didn't he? He's still doing shit like stealing their kidneys, killing their clones, and just in general being a selfish dad. Rusty is better than his dad but I think just because Jonas went so far and beyond that even Rusty's worst crimes pale in comparison.
>Rusty gets kids killed in a day camp
>Jonas just leaves an entire orphanage to die in a fallout shelter
>Rusty forgets about saving his family for a day on a dumb bet
>Jonas leaves Rusty a whole Week
just leaves an entire orphanage to die in a fallout shelter
Credit to Jonas, even if he forgot about the orphanage, he put some serious effort into designing it for it to survive as long as it did. He spent a lot of his time trying to be the best father in human history even if he was terrible at it.
And that's the problem. Jonas succeeded at basically everything he set out to do. He was the first to accomplish so much, which means he was also the first who had to deal with the ramifications of the fallout. It's very easy to blame Jonas for everything that went wrong, when practically no one could have guessed that things would go wrong at all.
>Serious Effort
Not really, He was so up his own ass that he was convinced all his moves were the right ones. Like for Rusty's prom he got a pornstar to be his date hoping his son would get laid, goes with the first one that comes to mind Linda Lovelace, Doesn't realize she's become an anti-porn feminist, doesn't realize that she sent her feminist ally in her stead, and forgets about his son the rest of the night because he's banging Dallas Cheerleaders. He has the most resources any parent probably has to give Rusty everything he thinks he need but gives little thought to Rusty himself after he thinks he's got the gist of what he needs. He puts more effort in creating devices to delegate his parenting duties to than actually just raising the kid.
I see him as more self serving, and egotistical than genuinely evil. The man just loved being the cool action hero that punched frog men by day and fricked supermodels by night. To the point where he never developed past it and was a shitty father because he never wanted to settle down. Being the premiere superscientist of his day that regularly met with world leaders and solved national level problems probably went to his head and he became more of a self destructive celebrity because of it.
His biggest failing is probably his zero attention span and never sticking to one thing for long or moving on and forgetting about past projects or people. He was way too quick to abandon someone or something because he moved his attention over to the next newest thing.
Nah, Rusty actually seems to have a moral compass and is capable of taking a step back and realizing that he is fricking up or being a shitty parent. It came up in the episode where Dr Killinger wanted him to be a supervillain, and again in the Boy Adventurer support group episode.
I assumed Rusty probably died about as many times as Hank and Dean and needed to be cloned back after an adventure. It also explains why Action Man never really considered him human and gave no fricks about threatening to shoot him.
>It came up in the episode where Dr Killinger wanted him to be a supervillain, and again in the Boy Adventurer support group episode.
That's the problem.
Rusty has been told to his face multiple times at this point that he's just a lazy supervillain. But he doesn't do anything to adjust, reflect, or improve himself. The only thing he really has going for him is that he'd rather wear a speed suit instead of spandex.
Him sparing JJ in the beginning is what led to him getting everything he really wanted. All it will take is for someone he trusts to point out that long-term benefits vastly outweigh short-term results and explain to him the only difference between good and evil is foresight (something his father totally lacked) and he'll change for the better.
>It also explains why Action Man never really considered him human and gave no fricks about threatening to shoot him.
Action Man also wen apeshit on Turnbuckle for threatening Rusty so I don't think he felt that way. The whole waking up with Action Man's gun to his head strikes me as being more like a misguided attempt to toughen Rusty up , maybe because Action has probably already seen him die enough times.
Yeah the commentary likens Hatred to Action Man when he would wake the boys up in the middle of the night and tell them the ways he could've killed them to instill in them "proper safety". Action Man was trying to do that but he was a deranged methhead.
WONDERBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY
who do you think this cuddly guy is?
Dermott
Dermott wouldn't have been capable of keeping his mouth shut
Brick Frog is the key to all of this.
It doesn't work if he doesn't work.
Who was Ben even. I don't recall him and his house being mentioned before Dean went and visited.
Ben is the scientist who worked with Jonas Sr. to make cloning.
VB is the only show/movie i've watched commentary tracks for.
Season 7 had a strong start and end but it may be the weakest season overall. Just not that funny as previous seasons
It has a weird stop and go thing where the first three episodes are basically the actual season finale for 6, which means it has to start over a whole third of the way through and has less time to establish its own identity.