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this pic is so fricking moronic. Lotr trilogy is far more marvel like than rings of power. And it's not even close. You literally have legolas skateboarding on a shield while quipping and counting killed orcs in a jocular manner. Or that scene where the gang is meeting new gandalf. Or plenty of other things. Meanwhile there's nothing like that in rings of power, beside maybe fight with the troll
This anon is so fricking moronic
modern capeshit trend literally started with Lotr Trilogy. Those movies were the ones that started this infantile crap
Yep, pretty much superhero fighters who don't take any injury the entire series and deal tons of damage to countless nameless npc foes in flawless combat.
Hmm.
I'm not convinced.
Your examples last less than one minute in a trilogy that's over 12 hours long.
they are representative of the simplistic, childish tone of those movies. It's literally comfort cinema for kids (both literal and mental ones). There's nothing challenging or thought provoking about them. Just cheap escapism
Exaggeration.
Bit ironic tbqh.
Your post is the Cinemaphile equivalent of capeshit. Just a bunch of over the top hyperbole instead of taking a more nuanced approach.
If you're a materialist atheist yeah, but even an atheist could see the archetypes as interesting. Or if you're a fan of mythology. You can dislike it as much as you want but the accusations of LOTR being childish and simplistic are very wrong.
For example mythology, philosophy, religion, psychology, magic and spirutality, metaphysics, European folklore, history, linguistics... discussions on LOTR can branch out to many directions, including highly academic fields. There's so much richness, an educated person can write a book after book on LOTR.
you can do the same with andersen tales. Doesn't mean they are not childish
ok chud
That's a israelite you fricking idiot. Why are you using a israelite to project?
I'm not a literary critic so I can't analyze and compare Tolkien and Andersen but a fairy tale is not necessarily "childish". For example the allegory of the naked emperor doesn't make any sense for children but it does make sense politically and culturally. The poisoned apple is not about a literal poisoned apple that someone can give you, but it's more about psychological and spiritual deception, which can actually do a lot more harm than an apple with cyanide.
Lets take a look at The Snow Queen:
>The devil, in the form of a troll,[2] has made a magic mirror that distorts the appearance of everything that it reflects. The mirror reflects no good and beautiful aspects of people and things, and magnifies their bad and ugly aspects. The troll's minions take the mirror all over the world to distort everything, then carry it up to heaven to mock God and the angels. As they approach heaven, the mirror trembles and falls, shattering into billions of pieces. Some become windowpanes, some spectacles, and some get stuck in people's hearts and eyes, giving them a cold and bitter disposition. The troll laughs himself sore at his mischief.
This reads like Gnostic apocrypha with Kabbalistic elements. Is this really "childish"?
The religious space that Marvel exists in is postmodern CNN atheist/scientism/LGBT gobbledyasiatic on one level and literal Luciferianism on another. See https://youtu.be/qbCbyf16iYc for a rundown of all the symbolism of your favorite characters. See the chapters for each one, even though I stopped after the deconstruction of Iron Man, no pun intended. You'll be shocked at how radically Luciferian it is.
If you want to compare the Avengers and LOTR you best take all this into account.
not reading a word of that wall sorry
You lost
Same thing has been done with Marvel comics so not sure what your point is.
>Marvel has complexity
>LoTR also has complexity
>therefore they're similar
NTA but I feel like its somewhat true. Those "High Fantasy" comfort IPs really have no substance or deeper meaning. I mean, what separates this from those stories you used to read as a kid where the good guy eventually triumphs over the bad guy? There's more lore? History? Language?
There's no real gray areas where you can really sit and ponder who is right and who is wrong, and no one in the series really goes through major changes (for better or for worse.)
No real lesson to be learned outside of "friendship" and "honor." It's not exactly thought-provoking and it's not interesting unless you really dig the lore or whatever. You could show LOTR to a literal 7 year old and they'd understand it perfectly through and through. There's nothing that would confuse them. There's no answers to fish for or debates to be had.
That doesn't make LOTR bad or any other IPs of the like, but I can admit that it's not exactly thought-provoking too. I'll also admit that I didn't read the novels, so it could be different in those. I'm just talking about Jackson's LOTR.
>I'll also admit that I didn't read the novels, so it could be different in those.
it's the same in the novels
Muh grey morality
its your imagination that's limiting, not the material. The good guy does not win in the end in LOTR. Frodo fails to throw the ring in. The good guys lose. However, evil cannot stand on its own and destroys itself. And what remains are people who try their best to endure in the face of that. All of that is lost because you don't think about the story, you just consume it uncritically like a child would
Absolute power corrupts absolutely? That's your thought-provoking message aimed at adults that kids can't grasp? lol
>evil is so evil it just kills itself
>true story
>I mean,
post discarded
spot on
>thought provoking
Right, wrong, honor, loyalty, self-sacrifice, ideals, all "boring" concepts. And yet they're all in our DNA, we all exist along these axes because the story of mankind itself was born in that... I don't know how to describe it. If you're criticizing LOTR for not having enough novelty, which I don't accept, there's only so far you can go before you end up at the beginning. All important and divine things are boring, even though they can be explored and studied endlessly. They're only boring because we think we understand them. They're not just plain ideas in the first place. I'm running out of language.
> LOTR being childish and simplistic are very wrong
That’s the argument of the ages
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/currentstudents/undergraduate/modules/en361fantastika/bibliography/2.7moorwiener_m.1978epic_pooh.pdf
>The sort of prose most often identified with "high" fantasy is the prose of the
nursery-‐room. It is a lullaby; it is meant to soothe and console. It is mouth-‐music. It is
frequently enjoyed not for its tensions but for its lack of tensions. It coddles; it
makes friends with you; it tells you comforting lies. It is soft
Man I hope one day I can articulate my arguments like this.
God is that the most pretentious, bullshit argument I've ever heard. This dude's argument is saying that all art SHOULD challenge you despite him being buttmad enough to write a whole fricking essay about it.
>I hope one day I can articulate arguments like this
No you don't. Literally no one in the entire world wants to hear about how fancy you can say "Lord of the Rings is for babies". If that's how you feel that's fine but don't act like your taste in art is somehow superior to someone else's. Just admit you're a pretentious douchebag instead of trying to justify it with long winded arguments that just reinforce the fact. tbh I'd rather you say you think my taste in movies sucks instead of hiding behind big words.
I didn't read the whole essay, just the first page really. Of course, not all art should challenge you, but he is right about LOTR being a comforting IP. Literally all it does is soothe and comfort the person reading it. Again, nothing wrong with that at all, but those who claim it to be more than it is (75% of this thread) just come off as manchildren.
GRRM was right about LoTR - doesn't explore corruption, the inherent backstabbing nature of politics, the greed and selfishness of man, the self-service. No thought given to economy and food production.
The movies gloss over how the armies of both sides are kept fed.
It's just a white supremacist fantasy against dark skinned monsters where the white ango-saxon comes out on top by holding onto His ideals of chivalry. Happily ever after bullshit.
I think its more than just comfort food. There are stories that exist only for entertainment but are still fine and enjoyable but there is no way anyone can honestly watch the movies and read the books and say "that's bad". Your enjoyment of it what you take from it is subjective obviously but LotR is one of those pieces of work I think everyone agrees is objectively good. If in some weird alternate universe one of your buddies wrote Lord of the Rings and showed it to you, you can say whatever you want about it but what you can't say is that it was bad.
Holy shit boy you are another level of moronic. Lord of the Rings is a fantasy novel about good overcoming evil. Its not a fricking soap opera. I don't care about the secret romances or behind the doors politics or whatnot. Not of that shit is related, at all, to the story. If thats what you are more interested in use that thing called imagination and come up with something. But considering youre writing it off because someone told you its racist and that all stories must be tragedies I doubt you're even capable of thinking about things yourself. That's why you need Tolkien to explain every minute little detail about shit.
Its so funny to hear someone shit on LotR in a thread about the marvelization of movies when that same person is complaining that there isn't some 5,000 page extended universe. I'm sorry that the Silmarillion isn't good enough for you. You also need to know how logistics of military operation and how corn grows.
Tolkien was in the trenches at Somme if he wanted to go into military logistics he could have and then you would have complained that he talked too much about military logistics.
>BUT NOW I WANNA KNOW WHERE THE FARMS COME FROM
Just fricking stop dude. Go read that homosexual George "Rapes morons" Martin. It sucks he was too busy going on Jimmy Fallon and fricking underage nerds at comic con to actually finish the IP lmao
So many literary masterpieces in the world, but imagine being unable to enjoy a single one of them, because never it is explained where the corn comes from...
The book reveals how Saruman's, Rohan's, Gondor's, and Sauron's armies respectively are kept fed but doesn't make a big deal out of it, so readers who don't read with attention may not notice.
>GRRM was right about LoTR - doesn't explore corruption, the inherent backstabbing nature of politics, the greed and selfishness of man, the self-service.
>Grima Wormtongue and Denethor are central important selfish characters that almost causes the downfall of their kingdoms.
What a complete asshat, didnt even watch the movies lmao
>ideals are for soft infantile people
>ideals are lies
run away from moral relativists
>tensions are good
Sounds like whoever wrote this would prefer GoT over LoTR. What more is there to say?
I looked up the author of this article - Michael Moorwiener - and it turned out he's a sci-fi fantasy writer himself. His best known novel features a doomed albino anti-hero protagonist, and even though I haven't read his novel, judging by the brief description he's some form of Anti-Tolkien.
>Most of Moorwiener's stories about Elric feature this relationship with Stormbringer, and how it—despite Elric's best intentions—brings doom to everything he holds dear.
To each his own.
Your ignorance on this topic is laughable.
OK but you didn't say anything. If you like Michael Moorckock I didn't mean to offend, like I said, to each his own.
You want a rebuttal? You didn’t even know who Moorwiener was a minute ago. Go on and keep convincing everyone you’re not reading a children’s book
Moorwiener's stuff is honestly a lot of fun but he's locked into a very specific political mindset that he still hasn't broken out of well into his 70s, fancying himself as some kind of anti-authoritarian rebel. His childish, straight-forward stories involving swashbuckling no-bullshit warriors like Corum Jhaelen Irsei he wrote in his 30s and 40s is ironically his most fun and thrilling work. His style is honestly pretty straight-forward for the most part, only really packing some kind of cruel subversion at the last second to make you go "wow. wtf...... life really isn't black or white.............".
I have read multiple books by Michael Moorwiener. I liked his better, earlier work when I was an edgy teenager with low standards.
It's clear that Moorwiener, who is currently sliding towards being forgotten while being still alive, is extremely jealous of Tolkien's success. That essay keeps getting posted as some serious scholarly opinion, but it's really just Moorwiener seething.
>Man I hope one day I can articulate my arguments like this.autist
Same. Look at all the gays it pissed off.
>You literally have legolas skateboarding on a shield while quipping and counting killed orcs in a jocular manner.
I bet you were the one the other kids forced to be gimli on the playground
Was pretending to be Gimli the lame thing? I was a little too old for make-believe when LOTR came out. I feel like I would have wanted to take Gimli as my character though, he's fearsome. Or maybe Eomer or Faramir.
>I feel like I would have wanted to take Gimli as my character though
Opinion discarded!
When me and my sister would play the lotr games on ps2 she would make me be Gimli while she was Legolas and we had to compete for kills.
I always won.
>You literally have legolas skateboarding on a shield while quipping and counting killed orcs in a jocular manner.
That's just Jackson's flair, he's a kiwi director
Disingenuous.
LOTR trilogy has very few moments of comic relief in a mostly dark and grim setting. A single quip or one liner is not an issue.
That is nothing compared to marvelization where quipping is pretty much the only method of comminication.
>That is nothing compared to marvelization where quipping is pretty much the only method of comminication.
and where do you have something like that in rings of power as that chudtuber claims?
>LOTR trilogy has very few moments of comic relief in a mostly dark and grim setting.
if you're twelve
>Lotr trilogy is far more marvel like than rings of power.
It doesn't matter if this is bait or not this anon is 100% correct.
Sauron has much more character development in Rings of Power than in LOTR trilogy.
Jackson's Sauron = "I'm evil because I'm, ok?"
Based.
Show me a single Rings of Power scene as goofy as Legolas killing a giant elephant alone.
>Jackson's Sauron = "I'm evil because I'm, ok?"
That's accurate to the LOTR book trilogy. You have to read other Tolkien works to get Sauron's backstory and motivation.
shalom
>YOU A JOOO
solid counterargument
>feeling the need to call out a one word shitpost
Dude... Settle down
He's been found out
Yes, the way you wrote has made it obvious
Has your forekin grown back?
So you are indeed israeli. Funny how a random anon was able to spot you simply through the content of your anonymous post.
oy vey
Frick off, fricking troony
when they are seething but providing zero counterarguments you know you're so goddamn right
lotr only has a few cringe scenes whereas it is wall to wall with rop
cringe according to you. None of them are Marvel like tho. This is so hilariously wrong i can't even wrap my head around it. Meanwhile Lotr movies when it comes to tone are literally first modern capeshit movies made. Literally find me an older example of that. It's the exact same thing you see in Mcu movies
Batman (1989)
not the same thing
ok thanks for the concession
>all the triggered replies ITT
Stop replying to yourself, having nuemnroian Maga cry about elves taking their jobs is worth 50 stair scenes.
Yeah I'm not falling for your lies mr shill
Incredible bait
I kneel
the best recipe for that is very simple
>say something true but in a very provocative manner
works every time because most people cannot handle the dissonance and are very insecure in their opinions. Where is that anon wrong? He isn't
>true
Get a load of this rabbi
where is he wrong? Watch the trilogy and immediately after that watch avengers or iron man. It's literally the same type of movie tonally
yeah i agree avengers and iron man are very similar. Not sure what watch lotr has to do with that though
>call something bait and now you don't have to face what anon really said
literally a child covering his ears and singing LA LA LA
Oh you mad
huh?
Holy shit the seethe
The LoTR trilogy is indeed vastly overrated. Fellowship was the best film.
fpbp, even as a kid I hated all the quips and shit cg fights. Read the books half a dozen times throughout my childhood but only watched the flicks once. I appreciate them more now but largely because the bar has been lowered so much
is it reddit crap because reddit has parroted every line from the films to death and made them obnoxious by proximity or were they cringe from inception? A true philosophical quandary
brown detected
Perfectly executed bait, anon!
Drew tons of (you)'s.
You won!
it only works because i'm right and they are failing to prove otherwise
the LoTR movies were groundbreaking in terms of scale and spectacle, the wide critical acclaim, plus the nostalgia - makes them immune to criticism.
Well done at breaking that illusion.
They are actually mostly forgotten by the critics. You won't see them in any top 100 lists of 21st century movies.
>critics
all the good movie critics died.
Blatantly lying
Not at all.
Blatantly lying
So fricking what? It worked then and it still works now. If it wasn't for those goofy stunts that everyone shits on that trilogy might not have gotten greenlit in the first place.
There is a difference between having a few jokes to spice up an action scene and undercutting all your drama with constant quips
The entire LOTR trilogy combined has 1/10th the quips of your average marvelslop
>The entire LOTR trilogy combined has 1/10th the quips of your average marvelslop
and what about the second 1/10th of the quips?
Side characters like Gimli and Legolas are allowed to be quippy. Marvel-ness is when you have Frodo and Sam making fun of orcs right after the scenes that show them dying of thirst and exhaustion.
Holy mother of seethe. lotr babies really get their asses hurt easily
Based, assblasted oldtroons dilating in the replies
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
t. anon wormtongue
Here's your (you)
You are correct. You are absolutely correct. Frick all of these sniveling little Cinemaphile pussies and their white supremacist worship of that series. Tolkien would spit on them.
How is lord of the rings white supremacist? Its not political at all except Christian maybe
>How is lord of the rings white supremacist
Because it has soul (only whites have those)
Tolkien isn't mean spirited about it, but he was an upper class Englishman who directly benefit from British Empire, and, as a Christian, believed that western, white european order was divinely ordained by God and that is reflected in his work. Literally nation in Middle Earth that isn't meant to resemble the kingdoms of western european christendom literally throw their lots in with Satan
I thought it was hilarious when Theoden grants clemency to the pagan men of Dunland after the Hornburg and they're all like GOLLY GEE THANKS MY LIEGE IF ONLY WE UNDERSTOOD ROHAN WAS THE RIGHTFUL INHERITORS OF THIS LAND AS ORDAINED BY GOD THUS GIVING YOU HIS WISDOM WE WOULD HAVE BENT THE KNEE SOONER AND BROUGHT PEACE TO THE LAND lmao, i imagine Tolkien felt the same way about the Irish and the Pajeets
It looks cheap from the digital to the costumes, the political parallels to our clown world are insulting if have more than two braincells, the cast is unremarkable. And yes, when the rare action scenes happen they are truly cheesy, like Rat-Galadriel slaying a troll which became a meme at the time. You won't get paid anymore till season two, subhuman.
lord of the rings is the avengers
who would want to see the avengers go on an tight-knit adventure across the unknown with ups and downs? not me
>I have shit taste
Ftfy
what movie is being shown at 14:05 in this video?
If you cut the extended LOTR trilogy into one hour television episodes with commercials it would take 17 episodes to finish.
His video on blade runner 2049 was absolute kino
Buy an ad homosexual
cinema > film > motion pictures > movies > flicks > content
It's been a while since you rewatched the trilogy or you are heavily blinded by nostalgia. Literally almost anything Gandalf says is pure reddit crap. I tried rewatching those movies recently and it was a torture. They are so fricking goofy and cheesy
>YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
Did that line hit too close to home?
I don't know how much further I can go. I'm so tired
>Marvel invented corporatism in media
I hate zoomers so fricking much
difference between a tv actor and an film actor
sadly the line between both has been blurred
how can anyone treat this seriously?
such a good scene. the lotr books and movies are so good.
Gandalf destroyed amazon rap sheeeeit pers
the only truly mature thing in the books was the hobbit rebellion at the end
Most "people" on this board weren't bron when the LOTR films came out.
>bron
I'd be Bronn. He's GoT and not LotR, but he's based.
and hobo is 1937 btw
LotR is okay, it's partially responsible for ruining cinema. Same with Harry Potter. I like both series, but it's the truth.
Just remember that if you start noticing a lot more LOTR trilogy contrarianism calling it “okay” or “bad” that it’s because rings of power is starting to boot up its second season and the Amazon employees are coming out in full force to rewrite the narrative
NOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT MY FAVORITE MOVIE NOOOOOOOOOO BEZOS IS PAYING YOU NOOOOOO JUST STOP!!! MOOOOOOOOM!!!
Lmao since I started browsing Cinemaphile in 2010, LOTR has been regarded as the best trilogy ever made by this board almost calling it a miracle how it was managed to be put together. There’s been a LOTR thread up at all times since this boards conception. Now you’re trying to tell me that it’s sheer coincidence that half the anons on this board thought it was shit the whole time just around the same time the absolute dogshit amazon show is released? That all of the criticism is organic? Lmao fricking get real Black person. I can’t wait for all the shills to rewrite history in response to this post.
Even if shills are being paid to post here, they're equally as organic and belonging as the hordes of Indians, zoomers and newbies that make up the majority nowadays anyway.
you unironically need meds
I like the LOTR movies a lot, but it is an undeniable truth that a lot of the people outraged by the new show have never actually read the books and are mad the show isn't a 1:1 copy of Peter Jackson's aesthetic style and tone, because they think that is the definitive version of what Lord of the Rings is
they get mad at every single real or imagined deviation from Tolkien's legandarium in the show, but applaud every moronic change Jackson made in the movies either due to time constraints, or because he didn't understand the catholic messaging of the work because he's a fat atheist from australia
People don’t like the show because it’s made up corporate bullshit completely off course from canon.
please tell me you were this offended by the Hobbit films, as least be ideologically consistent
NTA, but yes. I hated the Hobbit films.
idk genz and alpha have convinced themselves the hobbit movies are good in the same way late millennials think the star wars prequels are good now
they think this was good, and it was, the movies are just sort of a meme they make fun of, if they watch them
Of course you fricking homosexual. Everyone hated the hobbit films. You trying to pull a gotcha like the original trilogy is undeserving of its praise is incredibly pretentious
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/hobbit/start/2014-12-20/order/asc/
Cinemaphile thought the hobbit movies were shit
>but it is an undeniable truth that a lot of the people outraged by the new show have never actually read the books and are mad the show isn't a 1:1 copy of Peter Jackson's aesthetic style and tone, because they think that is the definitive version of what Lord of the Rings is
i disagree, i don't think it's purely about Jackson's take being considered canonical it's just painfully obvious to any objective, sane watcher the stark difference between the care and love and respect put into LotR and ROPE. plus there's a significant demographic who've actually read the Silmarillion and know just how far the writers are talking out of their asses with ROPE
despite being 14 at the time of its release i distinctly remember being disappointed by much of the Hobbit, including such BS as Tauriel, Legolas' appearance, the entire 3rd movie and so on
Frick all your Tolkien shit, you gay Black person.
Pay me to call zoomers Black folk on Cinemaphile, bezos you homosexual
LOTR is just a masturbation fantasy for the fanboys of hierarchical societies where everyone le knows his place. Very childish worldview in those books ngl fr
you are fake! Back You Devils https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk47qO8rW4Y
You can always tell brown posters on Cinemaphile by their hatred of LOTR
LOTR is reddit tier cringe shit
reddit likes open borders letting sjw orc and antifa islamo beyond walls
Holy shit, I thought had accidentally opened resetera or something.