I'm pretty sure most normal people would not understand the appeal of WH40,000 even if it was directly explained to them. I truly do not think "everyone is an insane murderer on purpose" even exists on most people's mental wavelength of understanding.
it could work. it just has to be dumbed down. like look at the Eisenhorne trilogy. It's about an Inquisitor who goes on all kinds of fun space adventures defeating evil, but even though he is technically evil himself he is not some religious zealot that would be completely alien to our modern values (even though he should be)
Thats why he works, the fact he has a similar morality to a western audience makes him both a radical and is the reason he falls to chaos and allows Cherubael to ruin his soul
Ravenor suffers the same fate treating the Eldar like people
>Thats why he works
Yes I agree, but I'd rather see some bizarre story about two Inquisitors butting heads about how to dispose of a heretical world.
One believes that the population should be enslaved and worked to death on some monument, and the other wants to do the exterminatus because he believes witnessing such an event is a blessing.
You know just complete insane shit that is probably hurting the Imperium more than helping.
I suppose imagine what Kingdom of Heaven would be like if Orlando Bloom wasn't there to be the modernfag
it could work. it just has to be dumbed down. like look at the Eisenhorne trilogy. It's about an Inquisitor who goes on all kinds of fun space adventures defeating evil, but even though he is technically evil himself he is not some religious zealot that would be completely alien to our modern values (even though he should be)
think a cross between capeshit, Van Helsing and film noir
>Eisenhorn goes to a hive world >at the upper levels you have aristocracy, but he quickly determines they are full of shit and goes to the lower levels >lower levels are like the ghetto and you can have your diverse characters and street thug gangsta types who are initially hostile but warm up to him >Eisenhorn believes there is a xeno cult >turns out to be a slaanesh chaos cult >some of the aristocracy are pedo perverts who have been killing young women and sacrificing them >Eisenhorn leads the "gangers" to fight against the upper levels >spess muhreens arrive at the end >Eisenhorn, some spess muhreens and some of the gangers go through the lower levels to stop them opening a gateway to the warp >Esienhorn has to convince the other inquisitors not to exterminatus the world, citing the fact that if they exterminatus'd every instance of chaos corruption there would be nothing left and the hive city denizens behaved loyally to the emperor
would make a good movie, normies could understand this and it would tick all the boxes of a modern kinographic experience
I’d make it a GSC infestation.
Then you could have your obligatory muhreen appearance at the end when the cult is uncovered so the hive mind says “fuck it the jig is up” and sends in a full tyranid assault. The inquisition wants to call an exterminatus but our brave imperial agent has a change of heart and tries to save the planet. He rallies and arms the hive scum to hold off the Nids until *guitar riff* the emperors angels drop in as reinforcements.
40k is a normie interest, do you think we're living in 1987 or something? fucking retards like you think hollywood would ever adapt anything that isn't already incredibly popular.
This. Hollywood and GW will just change Warhammer to suit a normie audience. This already happened. Just look at OPs horribly bright, clean and optimistic art. All the better to be accessible for the Warhammer+ Community
I like 40k but normies understand it fine. It's like pro wrestling, it's unsubtle, bombastic spectacle that's only alienating because it's so stupid.
The Black Library fluff is barely a step above Doctor Who, the video games are mediocre at best, and the game itself is autistic as shit. The only part that sets itself apart is the mini painting part, which is still embarrassing.
>There's no way normies could comprehend a Warhammer movie.
Moviemakers too. Animation superior, live action inferior:
>There's no way normies >post smurf
>doesn't mention Ian Miller >doesn't mention Adrian Smith >doesn't mention David Gallagher
Fuck off normie
People may not want to admit it readily, but the primary appeal of Warhammer has always and will always be to paint the figurines. They are to boys what barbies are to girls. There is of course an entire encyclopaedia worth of autistic, murderous lore that also comes with it, for the anons that wanna delve in deeper down the rabbit hole (i.e kids who aren't allowed to buy anymore of these little figurines) and millenials that grew up with this shit may or may not be quite autistically invested in that lore (i.e Cavill). But let's get one thing clear this absolutely can and will be aimed at "normies". As long as the big space marines all have cool designs, different coloured armours, and shoot massive guns at each other... this will work. Warhammer's story, characters, designs, everything, every little decision is made to cater to boys.
tl;dr of course this series will can be comprehended by normies, it is literally based off a TOY LINE that has been successful for decades.
Only normalfags and redditnaggers use the word "normie"
nah I used to think people would become smarter being more technologically involved but culture is getting less complex cause they have to dumb it down for the masses in order for it to be accessible. you don't change the masses they change you, any actual changes that happen to them are superficial.
Yeah but at least they are making badass super soldiers rather than broken mentally ill and mutilated shells of children.
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>badass super soldier >can't beat a blue hoofed fag with a pew pew pew laser gun or a screaming green retard born a week prior
More like Jobstartes
transitions into something superior, not inferior
>Genetic freaks, more prone to fall for the corruption of the tranny god and the Ruinous Powers >superior
lol even the fucking GIRLS club can boast a near-zero heresy record.
>"To be a man in such times is to be one amoungst uncounted billions. It is to live in the CRUELEST AND MOST BLOODY REGIME IMAGINABLE"
from the fucking opening text, you're not supposed to see them as anything but a lost cause anon
Yea they were slannesh was born during the age of strife
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Eldar orgied him into existence, not big E. Beyond the space elves being perverts, chaos wasn't quite the all encompassing threat it later became under Lord Fedora
I like 40k but normies understand it fine. It's like pro wrestling, it's unsubtle, bombastic spectacle that's only alienating because it's so stupid.
The Black Library fluff is barely a step above Doctor Who, the video games are mediocre at best, and the game itself is autistic as shit. The only part that sets itself apart is the mini painting part, which is still embarrassing.
can you blame him for that? he only ever fully quit tho the moment he saw he couldn't influence the series like he wanted, but AFAIK, he will now have control over the 40k series direction
Ah yes, all those succesful Halo, Doom and Gears of War movies
>Captain America
Has nothing in common with the other settings you listed or 40k, and even then was only succesful as part of a meticulously planned cinematic universe that made commercially succesful movies out of fucking ant-man, captain marvel and black panther.
It's really simple really, ALL they have to do is: >Pew pew >Edgy one liners >Nice CGI
THAT'S IT!!!! No pozzed shit, no homosexuals, no political messages unless it's very well hidden, no diversity is our strength and trust the science and whatever. Just 3 little.things, exactly how the trailer for the latest edition was
>¿Eminem? Miley Cyrus¡ Thanks for having my back Holywood now free of Cabal occupation California stays true to the Christian Calipha Princess Putri and and Spiced up Atrriedies Salonga of Pulo (Rajah Tupas of Ternate Spice is the proof).<<Portuguese Ternateño Chavacano>> Prince d' Orleans x benin Jesserit. (MI-)===> militia immaculata, Sexed ({[z :. (en }: ]x)
People may not want to admit it readily, but the primary appeal of Warhammer has always and will always be to paint the figurines. They are to boys what barbies are to girls. There is of course an entire encyclopaedia worth of autistic, murderous lore that also comes with it, for the anons that wanna delve in deeper down the rabbit hole (i.e kids who aren't allowed to buy anymore of these little figurines) and millenials that grew up with this shit may or may not be quite autistically invested in that lore (i.e Cavill). But let's get one thing clear this absolutely can and will be aimed at "normies". As long as the big space marines all have cool designs, different coloured armours, and shoot massive guns at each other... this will work. Warhammer's story, characters, designs, everything, every little decision is made to cater to boys.
tl;dr of course this series will can be comprehended by normies, it is literally based off a TOY LINE that has been successful for decades.
I and my fellow autists would enjoy it if done well but despite how much more attention warhammer has gotten in the past ten years it still remains relatively obscure and difficult to get into. Even the big trailers for new editions and popular games on youtube rarely go over a million views. the audience is there but it's never going to be on the level of Star Wars or Harry Potter
What even is the modern normie? Being a normie used to mean someone who was socially well adjusted, sex having, career having member of society. It used to be an aspirational concept for the terminally online shut-in. The average person nowadays is none of those things. The normie is now a broke, fat, terminally phonescrooling, no friends having shut-in loser. If someone called me a normal dude nowadays, I'd feel insulted.
Oh shut it; the world are collegial yes Wesrterners are that but theres Latin America and Asia as well as poor anf middle class Westerners exposed to challenges. Objectivelyly more than half of International populations are living in extremes. Normie is a privelege now. So says MereAnon Prince Guard one of the MI-sEX
It depends on context but on a board like Cinemaphile normie is mostly going to be used to mean people who have absolutely no specific or esoteric entertainment interests whatsoever.
ie they've never seen a movie more than 20 years old, their favourite show is whatever streaming series is most popular right now, little to no historical knowledge, no reading, spends 4+ hours a day on social media, etc.
Ever since I got an office job I've been shocked by the number of people who actually fall into the above description. You say 'Full Metal Jacket' or 'Ben-Hur' and they just give you a blank clueless stare.
I don't blame people for not getting deep into movies anymore. If your initial exposure is to modern flicks that are all awful, it's understandable to not care to delve deeper into this dying medium. But the normie is like this for all aspects of life. They are losers with no hobbies, friends, and barely making ends meet. My point in this is that the "appeal to normie" argument has lost all meaning in most contexts since the normie isn't someone you should want to appeal to unless your goal is to sell them trash or something like that.
> The normie is now a broke, fat, terminally phonescrooling, no friends having shut-in loser
I wish that were true but I see tons of normalfags who are exactly what the word is supposed to imply: good career, decently in shape, married and have kids or will have kids soon, nice house, etc...
Maybe my view is skewed because my family is upper middle class but I'm closer to what you described and it's not normal at all for the people I see around my age. The normalfags I described would never be into 40k shit, you can sell marvel with quips but you can't do WH40k properly and have it work for them.
Just make it based around a Guarsmen from a minor agri-world or some shit fighting orkz until he dies in the end and Space Marines drop down. WW2 in space vs green football hooligans being saved by super soldiers.
Fuck, you can even do an Inquisitor investigating either a chaos or genestealer cult. Most normies would understand a detective investigating into a xeno infestation.
How the fuck do you get into it? There's so much goddamn lore. I once tried to watch a short introduction video and it was like 3 hours long and so much shit was going that I couldn't retain much.
Just pick whatever, most 40k media does a pretty good job of plopping you in and getting you familiar with the basics with any media literacy.
Dawn of War, for example, quickly establishes "Space Marines are super soldiers, they belong to a religious empire, they fight aliens such as orkz and space elves and traitors who worship dark gods". Anyone who says you need deep knowledge of the lore are illiterate bastards that can't pick up things easily and want everything 40k related to be a lore dump rather than the digestible material presented.
Eh trying to learn the lore from the bottom-up is difficult purely because there is so damn much.
A better way, in my opinion, is to just start looking into the parts that interest you. Then when you see something you don't understand, look into it, and so on and so forth, steadily filling in the blanks.
After all, you don't need to *know* about the history of the Emperor to read and appreciate a story about a necron tomb rising up from the ground and slaughtering the imperial garrison with gauss flayers and c'tan shards. You just have to read the story then look up what 'gauss' means and then what 'c'tan' means, and then you'll start looking at necrontyr, and the old ones, and the war in heaven, and so on. You just have to explore it at your own pace.
Just a pick a faction and get into it, don't try figuring everything else out at once.
So you like ravenous unending hordes of aliens from another galaxy? Look up the tyranids, the hive fleets, the attacks on Baal, etc.
You like spies operating undercover rooting out conspiracies to bring about the downfall of society? Read up on the Inquisition and the novels like Eisenhorn and Ravenor.
You want a basic action series about fighting in war and going on merry adventures across the galaxy? Look into the imperial guard, figure out what the different regiments do, etc.
There's something for everyone.
Basic? Look into the various Space Marines
Like Magic? Most notable characters are powerful psykers (mages)
Just wanna have fun? Orks are your guys
Like the Starship Troopers movie? Look into Tyranids
Self-aware neckbeard? Nurgle
Not self-aware neckbeard? Khorn or Tzeentch
Horny neckbeard? Slaanesh
Tend to correct people in casual conversation? You're a necron man
Never stopped being edgy? Drukhari
Were you "that kid"? Hit up the Tau
Massive flaming homosexual that cannot sate his lust for spunk no matter how much cock he gargles? Check out Eldar
There's something for everyone in the setting. Start there and just start exploring. The lore is a clusterfuck, ignore it.
All you really need to understand to have fun is the archetype of each race, and how the magic system works. The nuances come with time.
Niggas say that 40k is too much lore to them but remember the textbox with damage, cooldowns and conditions for all 5 skills of all 150+ champions in League of Legends.
>trying this hard
lol >PREVENTS subversion
resentment with the cruelest regime imaginable breeds disloyalty >unavoidable
Most of it is started by racism or treachery >Manipulate passion
Nigga it IS passion, Chaos is human thought and feeling
>Disloyalty
naggers can't get over their feelings. Your right, it does breed disloyalty and when that disloyal chaosfag steps out of line and stops being useful? >KABLAM
It's really not complicated.
>when that disloyal chaosfag steps out of line and stops being useful?
You get massacred by a ruthless, immortal super soldier with the backing of dark gods while your comrades are burned alive and devoured by literal daemons chained into war machines by dark wizards, to be made into a sacrifice in exchange for ultimate power?
>Ultimate Power >Worshipping the bits that he emperor didn't want to absorb into himself by virtue of being literal suboptimal trash
You win some you lose some, Feel free to try. How many dark and unstoppable crusades was it?
>Most of it is started by racism or treachery
It's quite clearly stated that during the Age of Strife all the alien species that humanity lived in peace with during the nice prosperous Dark Age of Technology immediately turned on them the moment they smelled blood in the water.
When humanity had the clear technological advantage and the ability to wipe out their potential enemies, the various aliens of the galaxy were all 'peace and friendship' and humanity accepted even though they didn't have to. They could've wiped them all out with DAoT weapons if they had wanted to. But they didn't.
Their reward was to be isolated and slaughtered by those same aliens all across the galaxy the moment the Men of Iron revolt and Age of Strife robbed them of their technological advantage.
Humanity didn't learn to hate all non-humans 'just cuz lmao'. The Age of Strife is the earliest known period of human history for the vast majority of the Imperium. And it just amounts to several thousand years of being brutally violated by everything and anything.
>Nu-canon
Don't care, also >aliens turn on the racist, expansionist empire that wants them dead or subservient to it as soon as the chips are down and they're no longer under threat of being vaporized for stepping out of line
Wow, what treachery. How can they live with themselves?
The imperium does what it does because in the 40k universe evil gods literally exist and any libertine bullshit about life or sexuality or atheism will LITERALLY lead to demons taking over your world
It’s completely understandable how the imperium acts given the universe
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Look real carefully at the world before you answer
Are you sure this isn't an Analogy?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>any libertine bullshit about life
Executing everyone who sees a daemon or even knows about Chaos feeds it >sexuality
Doesn't do shit until you get obsessive >atheism will LITERALLY lead to demons taking over your world
The period where the Emperor was a genocidal atheist dictator was the longest period without any sort of daemonic bullshit in the history of the universe, and only ended after he was killed and his empire was turned into the very thing he fought to destroy, doomed to rot away until it is swallowed by Chaos
3 months ago
Anonymous
That’s not true at all where did you come up with this? That isn’t even the lore
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It isnt even the lore
Yeah it is. The classic Daemonhunter and Chaos codexes aren't even shy about it >The Inquisition massacring an entire planet or regiment that was near a daemonic incursion doesn't feed the thirsting gods who crave carnage and slaughter because....BECAUSE IT JUST DOESNT ALRIGHT?!
Slaanesh doesn't influence shit until you become a debauched piece of shit. You can get laid and suck cock all you like but once you start getting bored and seek out really fucked up forms of stimulation that's when they get their hooks in you. >Dude the Emperor wasn't an atheist dictator
The entire point was that the modern Imperium was an insult to everything he wanted to create. A world ruled by ignorance and fear was not what he wanted to rule over.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no deamon stuff
>literally cannot even unite all of humanity and half of his super soldiers go full demonic worshiper on him under his very nose
Yea chaos is like literally entropy it cannot be defeated just fought against.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>cannot even unite all of humanity
He did pretty well for himself during the Great Crusade, had a nice golden age for a couple centuries after unifying the entire planet under atheism >Half his dudes turn evil
happens to the best of us
>space naggers invade your planet and shoot your shit up >Oppress you for generations >Their mass murdering homosexualry bites them in the ass when someone gets so good at mass murder that they ascend to godhood and turns on them >They collapse >you massacre them while they're weakened >But this is bad because you're not a primate like them
Impnigs can't even win against communists, bugs, or themselves, and talk shit to make that losing streak sting a little less
3 months ago
Anonymous
naggers invade your planet and shoot your shit up
you for generations
Not what happened. Humans didn't whipe out aliens during the DOAT. It was basically star trek
This is just finding a meaning where there is none. The entire reason the franchise exists is because citadel made miniatures for a bunch of different games back in the day (Paranoia, Lone Wolf, Elric, ETC) and wanted a franchise of their own. There is no "deep theme"
Warhammer is goyslop shit and this is a shill thread. You're not a movie you're a game people only talk about because ecelebs shill it on youtube, If normalfags did watch a warhammer 40k/space hulk movie they'd probably (and rightfully) call it an aliens ripoff.
GW is already doing this by turning Trazyn into Warhammer+ Deadpool. He can never die (truly) and can handwave himself into any battle or historical event, so even shit that's already happened they just say oh yeah btw Trazyn was there quipping and stealing shit. And the worst part is... I love it.
40k takes some stuff from Dune, and people got that setting just fine
granted, 40k setting seems way bigger with all the stories around, but even if you show a single story set in this universe, people could enjoy it if its not outright trash
Anyone whose watched a movie from the 80s would get it immediately >teutonic knights, romans, Mongols, and other well-known historical empires... in LE STAR WARS?!?!?1 >not-zenomorphs vs not-terminators?!? LE HECKING EPIC >their world is so unique, it's judge dredd.... BUT EVEN MORE CATHOLIC >Games workshop makes tons of cool OC! Like the rat people who only coincidently released three years after the Secrets of NIHM
Games workshop exists to siphon money from the gaping assholes of manchildren and frankly I salute them.
We all know if they really want to make it they will. So my question to you is, how will they fuck it up?
>Orks
ignored because Orcs(WoW) are black and racist.
>Eldar
Good guys and allies to the Imperium. Will be redeemed.Dark Eldar will become more literal.
>Tyranid
the bad guys of the movie/series. Generic Not-Xenomorphs.
>Chaos
Mystery Box that is constantly teased but never pays off.
>Tau
Good guys and space commies that are only ever mentioned to big up communism.
>Humans
All the "bad guys" will be edge masters, you know actual 40k characters. The good guy humans will be female, brown/black/asian, most likely some form of queer, and of course new Primarchs and Space Marines. Female ones. The Emperor? A Donald Trump stand in but is framed as an oppressive force that dragged humanity out of the golden age of technology.
>tfw a Slaanesh fan but hate how GW has been trying to shove them under the carpet for years and make everyone forget about Slaanesh >tfw Slaanesh has the ability to be the most fearsome/disgusting/traumatizing of the 4 chaos gods if only GW would let the Slaanesh writers and designers off the leash instead of wanting to attract some non-existent underage b& crowd
Forgive him, anon. He's too sodabrained to accept the fact that even sci-fi can have deep themes and lessons to be learned. He's too young to understand that writers can convey complex themes even through what may seem to be immature settings/stories. I also severely doubt he read any of the Horus Heresy books unlike me (who has read every single one thus far with maybe the exception of a few digital-only stories). Some are shit, yes, but some are amazing.
You should read deeper shit as well, because that much 40K has melted your brain. There’s nothing “deep” about the setting inherently. The same way westerns are not inherently deep. Someone can make a good western movie.. but saying “normies just don’t get westerns… sigh… it’s so complex… the good guy wears a white hat, and the bad guy wears a black hat… and they have a shootout… it’s just such a complex genre”. 40K is just a compilation of scifi tropes, a sandbox for millions of people to shit in, or make castles from.
Forgive him, anon. He's too sodabrained to accept the fact that even sci-fi can have deep themes and lessons to be learned. He's too young to understand that writers can convey complex themes even through what may seem to be immature settings/stories. I also severely doubt he read any of the Horus Heresy books unlike me (who has read every single one thus far with maybe the exception of a few digital-only stories). Some are shit, yes, but some are amazing.
They made schlock and inadvertently made a cool universe that is reactionary and traditional in its function which is very uncommon in sci fi and fantasy
That’s why people like it. It’s unique in that way
I never EVER said the setting is deep inherently you imbecile. I clearly said the setting is capable of being deep, and it is in certain stories. I'll give some examples. Prospero Burns, Legion, The Outcast Dead, Descent of Angels, Lost and the Damned, The First Heretic, Scars, just to name a few. The Primarchs series has the most amount of philosophy actually - Lorgar, Perturabo, Konrad Curze, Malcador, etc.
I have not read a single wh40k book or bought a single miniature since I was 12, however I play darktide, read the wiki and watch creations on YT and music. I love the "last stand" grimdark aesthetic and the community that has grown around it. It is a society pushed to ridiculous extremes to survive, chaos also represents extremes in the human psyche and the various other races are creative. It's metal as fuck.
of course it's dungeons and dragons in space, it is nerdy as fuck and has a 99.9% male fanbase, but there's nothing quite like it
>Forgive him, anon. He's too sodabrained to accept the fact that even sci-fi can have deep themes and lessons to be learned. He's too young to understand that writers can convey complex themes even through what may seem to be immature settings/stories.
It can but as explained here
This is just finding a meaning where there is none. The entire reason the franchise exists is because citadel made miniatures for a bunch of different games back in the day (Paranoia, Lone Wolf, Elric, ETC) and wanted a franchise of their own. There is no "deep theme"
Warhammer isn't one of the sci-fi franchises with deep themes. >Horus Heresy books
Mass produced goyslop made to cash in on the star wars/dune prequels that were all the rage at the time.
It can be, but 99.99% of 40K isn’t. >normies le… just don’t get it
It’s just every scifi and fantasy trope thrown together in an over-the-top way. There’s not much to get if we’re being honest.
No it started out as just Warhammer fantasy but IN SPACE
Over time it morphed into its modern form which is much more serious and kid of its own thing even though not has a lot of connection to Warhammer fantasy mainly through chaos which works the same way
The very logic of chaos itself lends to this sort of super intense authoritarian rule
The way I see it the world is full of shit in any case so it doesn't matter if it adds more shit to the pile, however in the minute possibility it turns out to be kino it would make it all worth it, mathematically speaking it would be good if they gave it a crack.
We haven't had kino in general in at least 3 years. What makes you think there is a nonzero chance of the 40k adaption being kino of all things. You are deranged.
I'm pretty sure most normal people would not understand the appeal of WH40,000 even if it was directly explained to them. I truly do not think "everyone is an insane murderer on purpose" even exists on most people's mental wavelength of understanding.
It can work.
it could work. it just has to be dumbed down. like look at the Eisenhorne trilogy. It's about an Inquisitor who goes on all kinds of fun space adventures defeating evil, but even though he is technically evil himself he is not some religious zealot that would be completely alien to our modern values (even though he should be)
Thats why he works, the fact he has a similar morality to a western audience makes him both a radical and is the reason he falls to chaos and allows Cherubael to ruin his soul
Ravenor suffers the same fate treating the Eldar like people
>Thats why he works
Yes I agree, but I'd rather see some bizarre story about two Inquisitors butting heads about how to dispose of a heretical world.
One believes that the population should be enslaved and worked to death on some monument, and the other wants to do the exterminatus because he believes witnessing such an event is a blessing.
You know just complete insane shit that is probably hurting the Imperium more than helping.
I suppose imagine what Kingdom of Heaven would be like if Orlando Bloom wasn't there to be the modernfag
Warhammer bros, our edge is unfathomable. Normies just ain't ready.
They'll just make the Imperium of man the good guys, problem solved.
this
think a cross between capeshit, Van Helsing and film noir
>Eisenhorn goes to a hive world
>at the upper levels you have aristocracy, but he quickly determines they are full of shit and goes to the lower levels
>lower levels are like the ghetto and you can have your diverse characters and street thug gangsta types who are initially hostile but warm up to him
>Eisenhorn believes there is a xeno cult
>turns out to be a slaanesh chaos cult
>some of the aristocracy are pedo perverts who have been killing young women and sacrificing them
>Eisenhorn leads the "gangers" to fight against the upper levels
>spess muhreens arrive at the end
>Eisenhorn, some spess muhreens and some of the gangers go through the lower levels to stop them opening a gateway to the warp
>Esienhorn has to convince the other inquisitors not to exterminatus the world, citing the fact that if they exterminatus'd every instance of chaos corruption there would be nothing left and the hive city denizens behaved loyally to the emperor
would make a good movie, normies could understand this and it would tick all the boxes of a modern kinographic experience
I’d make it a GSC infestation.
Then you could have your obligatory muhreen appearance at the end when the cult is uncovered so the hive mind says “fuck it the jig is up” and sends in a full tyranid assault. The inquisition wants to call an exterminatus but our brave imperial agent has a change of heart and tries to save the planet. He rallies and arms the hive scum to hold off the Nids until *guitar riff* the emperors angels drop in as reinforcements.
40k is a normie interest, do you think we're living in 1987 or something? fucking retards like you think hollywood would ever adapt anything that isn't already incredibly popular.
This. Hollywood and GW will just change Warhammer to suit a normie audience. This already happened. Just look at OPs horribly bright, clean and optimistic art. All the better to be accessible for the Warhammer+ Community
>Warhammer+
Oh no. You've legitimately just dented my hopes.
Blanche, Dainton and Kopinski will always be the quintessential 40k art no matter what slop has been made since.
>doesn't mention Ian Miller
>doesn't mention Adrian Smith
>doesn't mention David Gallagher
Fuck off normie
Maybe it's just easier to say any artist that started before 6th ed
Only normalfags and redditnaggers use the word "normie"
wrong you stupid sucking-shit-out-of-a-dog's-asshole nagger
Normalfag
nah I used to think people would become smarter being more technologically involved but culture is getting less complex cause they have to dumb it down for the masses in order for it to be accessible. you don't change the masses they change you, any actual changes that happen to them are superficial.
conveniently new games workshop is solving that
Not sure about that, Grimdark seems pretty popular these days.
FROM THE MOMENT I FIRST UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH IT DISGUSTED ME
You mean the essential cookie cutter scifi for teens?
I'm sure there'll be a tie-in on a cereal box somewhere.
>what if the good guys are bad
yea it's not like audiences could understand every movie about the military for the last 30 years
wait why are the imperium bad?
>Why is the genocidal religious fundamentalist fascist empire bad?
Do Chuds Really?
>the empire defends itself against evil and doesn't transition kids so it's bad
Shit like this is why you gatekeep.
>doesn't transition kids
it literally does though
Yeah but at least they are making badass super soldiers rather than broken mentally ill and mutilated shells of children.
>badass super soldier
>can't beat a blue hoofed fag with a pew pew pew laser gun or a screaming green retard born a week prior
More like Jobstartes
>Genetic freaks, more prone to fall for the corruption of the tranny god and the Ruinous Powers
>superior
lol even the fucking GIRLS club can boast a near-zero heresy record.
transitions into something superior, not inferior
Transitions them into something better
>unlike you and yours.
>"To be a man in such times is to be one amoungst uncounted billions. It is to live in the CRUELEST AND MOST BLOODY REGIME IMAGINABLE"
from the fucking opening text, you're not supposed to see them as anything but a lost cause anon
cry about it
I don't have to, you're the one trying hard and purposefully being obtuse. You're weeping like a little bitch right now
Do turning kids into servitors count as transitioning?
>>Why is the genocidal religious fundamentalist fascist empire bad?
Answer the question, homosexual.
If it isn’t though then demons will take devour humanity
They weren't running around when the Emperor was a fedora tipper
Yea they were slannesh was born during the age of strife
The Eldar orgied him into existence, not big E. Beyond the space elves being perverts, chaos wasn't quite the all encompassing threat it later became under Lord Fedora
This, every other faction wants to kill, eat or torture and then kill humanity. Better that than being a fascist
I was just thinking about In The Army Now yesterday
Remember Joes Apartment?
I remember the trailer playing but I’ve never seen it.
I like 40k but normies understand it fine. It's like pro wrestling, it's unsubtle, bombastic spectacle that's only alienating because it's so stupid.
The Black Library fluff is barely a step above Doctor Who, the video games are mediocre at best, and the game itself is autistic as shit. The only part that sets itself apart is the mini painting part, which is still embarrassing.
Lol they aren’t making the space marines bad guys ever
They will be spending a movie killing genocidal aliens on a different planet. What’s so bad about that?
Trust Henry Cavill dude. Unironically.
He didn't ditch Witcher the second he saw who was cast as Yennefer and Fringilla. I have zero faith in him until he proves himself.
can you blame him for that? he only ever fully quit tho the moment he saw he couldn't influence the series like he wanted, but AFAIK, he will now have control over the 40k series direction
"There is nothing but war" is pretty basic.
big GMO muscle men in a weird future is not generally appealing to wide audiences
Gears of War sold hundreds of millions of copies
No it didn't you ducking doofus. They'd be lucky if the whole franchise sold 20 mil.
>big GMO muscle men in a weird future is not generally appealing to wide audiences
Halo
Doom
Gears of War
Captain America
Ah yes, all those succesful Halo, Doom and Gears of War movies
>Captain America
Has nothing in common with the other settings you listed or 40k, and even then was only succesful as part of a meticulously planned cinematic universe that made commercially succesful movies out of fucking ant-man, captain marvel and black panther.
what about big GMO muscle women?
>There's no way normies could comprehend a Warhammer movie.
Moviemakers too. Animation superior, live action inferior:
It's really simple really, ALL they have to do is:
>Pew pew
>Edgy one liners
>Nice CGI
THAT'S IT!!!! No pozzed shit, no homosexuals, no political messages unless it's very well hidden, no diversity is our strength and trust the science and whatever. Just 3 little.things, exactly how the trailer for the latest edition was
>very firmly tell the demons "No."
>they can't do shit
>There's no way normies
>post smurf
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warhammer is scifi for normalfags
People may not want to admit it readily, but the primary appeal of Warhammer has always and will always be to paint the figurines. They are to boys what barbies are to girls. There is of course an entire encyclopaedia worth of autistic, murderous lore that also comes with it, for the anons that wanna delve in deeper down the rabbit hole (i.e kids who aren't allowed to buy anymore of these little figurines) and millenials that grew up with this shit may or may not be quite autistically invested in that lore (i.e Cavill). But let's get one thing clear this absolutely can and will be aimed at "normies". As long as the big space marines all have cool designs, different coloured armours, and shoot massive guns at each other... this will work. Warhammer's story, characters, designs, everything, every little decision is made to cater to boys.
tl;dr of course this series will can be comprehended by normies, it is literally based off a TOY LINE that has been successful for decades.
I and my fellow autists would enjoy it if done well but despite how much more attention warhammer has gotten in the past ten years it still remains relatively obscure and difficult to get into. Even the big trailers for new editions and popular games on youtube rarely go over a million views. the audience is there but it's never going to be on the level of Star Wars or Harry Potter
Don't worry, they'll make sure to make every character a nagger tranny to appeal to modern audiences.
What even is the modern normie? Being a normie used to mean someone who was socially well adjusted, sex having, career having member of society. It used to be an aspirational concept for the terminally online shut-in. The average person nowadays is none of those things. The normie is now a broke, fat, terminally phonescrooling, no friends having shut-in loser. If someone called me a normal dude nowadays, I'd feel insulted.
Oh shut it; the world are collegial yes Wesrterners are that but theres Latin America and Asia as well as poor anf middle class Westerners exposed to challenges. Objectivelyly more than half of International populations are living in extremes. Normie is a privelege now. So says MereAnon Prince Guard one of the MI-sEX
It depends on context but on a board like Cinemaphile normie is mostly going to be used to mean people who have absolutely no specific or esoteric entertainment interests whatsoever.
ie they've never seen a movie more than 20 years old, their favourite show is whatever streaming series is most popular right now, little to no historical knowledge, no reading, spends 4+ hours a day on social media, etc.
Ever since I got an office job I've been shocked by the number of people who actually fall into the above description. You say 'Full Metal Jacket' or 'Ben-Hur' and they just give you a blank clueless stare.
I don't blame people for not getting deep into movies anymore. If your initial exposure is to modern flicks that are all awful, it's understandable to not care to delve deeper into this dying medium. But the normie is like this for all aspects of life. They are losers with no hobbies, friends, and barely making ends meet. My point in this is that the "appeal to normie" argument has lost all meaning in most contexts since the normie isn't someone you should want to appeal to unless your goal is to sell them trash or something like that.
>Eh trying to learn the lore from the bottom-up is difficult purely because there is so damn much.
what about reading a rulebook is difficult?
> The normie is now a broke, fat, terminally phonescrooling, no friends having shut-in loser
I wish that were true but I see tons of normalfags who are exactly what the word is supposed to imply: good career, decently in shape, married and have kids or will have kids soon, nice house, etc...
Maybe my view is skewed because my family is upper middle class but I'm closer to what you described and it's not normal at all for the people I see around my age. The normalfags I described would never be into 40k shit, you can sell marvel with quips but you can't do WH40k properly and have it work for them.
Just make it based around a Guarsmen from a minor agri-world or some shit fighting orkz until he dies in the end and Space Marines drop down. WW2 in space vs green football hooligans being saved by super soldiers.
Fuck, you can even do an Inquisitor investigating either a chaos or genestealer cult. Most normies would understand a detective investigating into a xeno infestation.
How the fuck do you get into it? There's so much goddamn lore. I once tried to watch a short introduction video and it was like 3 hours long and so much shit was going that I couldn't retain much.
Just pick whatever, most 40k media does a pretty good job of plopping you in and getting you familiar with the basics with any media literacy.
Dawn of War, for example, quickly establishes "Space Marines are super soldiers, they belong to a religious empire, they fight aliens such as orkz and space elves and traitors who worship dark gods". Anyone who says you need deep knowledge of the lore are illiterate bastards that can't pick up things easily and want everything 40k related to be a lore dump rather than the digestible material presented.
No there isn't nagger it's a few rulebooks. It only seems that way because you're watching shitty clickbait youtube videos that pad out the runtime.
Eh trying to learn the lore from the bottom-up is difficult purely because there is so damn much.
A better way, in my opinion, is to just start looking into the parts that interest you. Then when you see something you don't understand, look into it, and so on and so forth, steadily filling in the blanks.
After all, you don't need to *know* about the history of the Emperor to read and appreciate a story about a necron tomb rising up from the ground and slaughtering the imperial garrison with gauss flayers and c'tan shards. You just have to read the story then look up what 'gauss' means and then what 'c'tan' means, and then you'll start looking at necrontyr, and the old ones, and the war in heaven, and so on. You just have to explore it at your own pace.
Just a pick a faction and get into it, don't try figuring everything else out at once.
So you like ravenous unending hordes of aliens from another galaxy? Look up the tyranids, the hive fleets, the attacks on Baal, etc.
You like spies operating undercover rooting out conspiracies to bring about the downfall of society? Read up on the Inquisition and the novels like Eisenhorn and Ravenor.
You want a basic action series about fighting in war and going on merry adventures across the galaxy? Look into the imperial guard, figure out what the different regiments do, etc.
There's something for everyone.
Basic? Look into the various Space Marines
Like Magic? Most notable characters are powerful psykers (mages)
Just wanna have fun? Orks are your guys
Like the Starship Troopers movie? Look into Tyranids
Self-aware neckbeard? Nurgle
Not self-aware neckbeard? Khorn or Tzeentch
Horny neckbeard? Slaanesh
Tend to correct people in casual conversation? You're a necron man
Never stopped being edgy? Drukhari
Were you "that kid"? Hit up the Tau
Massive flaming homosexual that cannot sate his lust for spunk no matter how much cock he gargles? Check out Eldar
There's something for everyone in the setting. Start there and just start exploring. The lore is a clusterfuck, ignore it.
All you really need to understand to have fun is the archetype of each race, and how the magic system works. The nuances come with time.
Niggas say that 40k is too much lore to them but remember the textbox with damage, cooldowns and conditions for all 5 skills of all 150+ champions in League of Legends.
pick a faction and focus on their lore.
Buy a few video games and slowly play them. That's what I've been doing
Isn't Starcraft basically pg13 40k? Do that for a movie
>trying this hard
lol
>PREVENTS subversion
resentment with the cruelest regime imaginable breeds disloyalty
>unavoidable
Most of it is started by racism or treachery
>Manipulate passion
Nigga it IS passion, Chaos is human thought and feeling
>Disloyalty
naggers can't get over their feelings. Your right, it does breed disloyalty and when that disloyal chaosfag steps out of line and stops being useful?
>KABLAM
It's really not complicated.
>when that disloyal chaosfag steps out of line and stops being useful?
You get massacred by a ruthless, immortal super soldier with the backing of dark gods while your comrades are burned alive and devoured by literal daemons chained into war machines by dark wizards, to be made into a sacrifice in exchange for ultimate power?
>Ultimate Power
>Worshipping the bits that he emperor didn't want to absorb into himself by virtue of being literal suboptimal trash
You win some you lose some, Feel free to try. How many dark and unstoppable crusades was it?
>Most of it is started by racism or treachery
It's quite clearly stated that during the Age of Strife all the alien species that humanity lived in peace with during the nice prosperous Dark Age of Technology immediately turned on them the moment they smelled blood in the water.
When humanity had the clear technological advantage and the ability to wipe out their potential enemies, the various aliens of the galaxy were all 'peace and friendship' and humanity accepted even though they didn't have to. They could've wiped them all out with DAoT weapons if they had wanted to. But they didn't.
Their reward was to be isolated and slaughtered by those same aliens all across the galaxy the moment the Men of Iron revolt and Age of Strife robbed them of their technological advantage.
Humanity didn't learn to hate all non-humans 'just cuz lmao'. The Age of Strife is the earliest known period of human history for the vast majority of the Imperium. And it just amounts to several thousand years of being brutally violated by everything and anything.
>Nu-canon
Don't care, also
>aliens turn on the racist, expansionist empire that wants them dead or subservient to it as soon as the chips are down and they're no longer under threat of being vaporized for stepping out of line
Wow, what treachery. How can they live with themselves?
>aliens won't behave unless they have the boot of their fucking neck
Wow you sure dissuaded me from thinking that imperium did nothing wrong.
The imperium does what it does because in the 40k universe evil gods literally exist and any libertine bullshit about life or sexuality or atheism will LITERALLY lead to demons taking over your world
It’s completely understandable how the imperium acts given the universe
>Look real carefully at the world before you answer
Are you sure this isn't an Analogy?
>any libertine bullshit about life
Executing everyone who sees a daemon or even knows about Chaos feeds it
>sexuality
Doesn't do shit until you get obsessive
>atheism will LITERALLY lead to demons taking over your world
The period where the Emperor was a genocidal atheist dictator was the longest period without any sort of daemonic bullshit in the history of the universe, and only ended after he was killed and his empire was turned into the very thing he fought to destroy, doomed to rot away until it is swallowed by Chaos
That’s not true at all where did you come up with this? That isn’t even the lore
>It isnt even the lore
Yeah it is. The classic Daemonhunter and Chaos codexes aren't even shy about it
>The Inquisition massacring an entire planet or regiment that was near a daemonic incursion doesn't feed the thirsting gods who crave carnage and slaughter because....BECAUSE IT JUST DOESNT ALRIGHT?!
Slaanesh doesn't influence shit until you become a debauched piece of shit. You can get laid and suck cock all you like but once you start getting bored and seek out really fucked up forms of stimulation that's when they get their hooks in you.
>Dude the Emperor wasn't an atheist dictator
The entire point was that the modern Imperium was an insult to everything he wanted to create. A world ruled by ignorance and fear was not what he wanted to rule over.
>no deamon stuff
>literally cannot even unite all of humanity and half of his super soldiers go full demonic worshiper on him under his very nose
Yea chaos is like literally entropy it cannot be defeated just fought against.
>cannot even unite all of humanity
He did pretty well for himself during the Great Crusade, had a nice golden age for a couple centuries after unifying the entire planet under atheism
>Half his dudes turn evil
happens to the best of us
>space naggers invade your planet and shoot your shit up
>Oppress you for generations
>Their mass murdering homosexualry bites them in the ass when someone gets so good at mass murder that they ascend to godhood and turns on them
>They collapse
>you massacre them while they're weakened
>But this is bad because you're not a primate like them
Impnigs can't even win against communists, bugs, or themselves, and talk shit to make that losing streak sting a little less
naggers invade your planet and shoot your shit up
you for generations
Not what happened. Humans didn't whipe out aliens during the DOAT. It was basically star trek
>Nigga
opinions disregarded
My bad, nagger
Oh wait, yeah let me correct myself too. naggers*
This is just finding a meaning where there is none. The entire reason the franchise exists is because citadel made miniatures for a bunch of different games back in the day (Paranoia, Lone Wolf, Elric, ETC) and wanted a franchise of their own. There is no "deep theme"
my theme was pretty deep in your mom last night kiddo.
Warhammer is goyslop shit and this is a shill thread. You're not a movie you're a game people only talk about because ecelebs shill it on youtube, If normalfags did watch a warhammer 40k/space hulk movie they'd probably (and rightfully) call it an aliens ripoff.
GW is already doing this by turning Trazyn into Warhammer+ Deadpool. He can never die (truly) and can handwave himself into any battle or historical event, so even shit that's already happened they just say oh yeah btw Trazyn was there quipping and stealing shit. And the worst part is... I love it.
Definitely a great example of flanderization.
Cassiabros....It's near...
this would be epic but is literally never going 2 happen
need some turbo tists to start working on mods yesterday
40k takes some stuff from Dune, and people got that setting just fine
granted, 40k setting seems way bigger with all the stories around, but even if you show a single story set in this universe, people could enjoy it if its not outright trash
Anyone whose watched a movie from the 80s would get it immediately
>teutonic knights, romans, Mongols, and other well-known historical empires... in LE STAR WARS?!?!?1
>not-zenomorphs vs not-terminators?!? LE HECKING EPIC
>their world is so unique, it's judge dredd.... BUT EVEN MORE CATHOLIC
>Games workshop makes tons of cool OC! Like the rat people who only coincidently released three years after the Secrets of NIHM
Games workshop exists to siphon money from the gaping assholes of manchildren and frankly I salute them.
Wait, a company exists to make money? Thats unthinkable!
>Just pirate the books and games and buy the chinese 3d printed figures if you are a poorfag
I hate funko pops so much and the people who collect them are even worse
It's literally just cool looking things shooting each other the franchise.
We all know if they really want to make it they will. So my question to you is, how will they fuck it up?
>Orks
ignored because Orcs(WoW) are black and racist.
>Eldar
Good guys and allies to the Imperium. Will be redeemed.Dark Eldar will become more literal.
>Tyranid
the bad guys of the movie/series. Generic Not-Xenomorphs.
>Chaos
Mystery Box that is constantly teased but never pays off.
>Tau
Good guys and space commies that are only ever mentioned to big up communism.
>Humans
All the "bad guys" will be edge masters, you know actual 40k characters. The good guy humans will be female, brown/black/asian, most likely some form of queer, and of course new Primarchs and Space Marines. Female ones. The Emperor? A Donald Trump stand in but is framed as an oppressive force that dragged humanity out of the golden age of technology.
Not him but he is wrong because he didn't properly read your post and he is also propably sorry for calling you retarded. But not him.
good humans + elves v. tyranids
There's no room for the remaining autism in one movie.
warhammer is just the 30 years war
people in heavy armor go pew pew
whats not to get?
40k is literally Br'ish Dune.
>tfw a Slaanesh fan but hate how GW has been trying to shove them under the carpet for years and make everyone forget about Slaanesh
>tfw Slaanesh has the ability to be the most fearsome/disgusting/traumatizing of the 4 chaos gods if only GW would let the Slaanesh writers and designers off the leash instead of wanting to attract some non-existent underage b& crowd
Slannesh would be the most common cult to find since its just all human vices that most people fall into
>gluttony
>pride
>sex
>greed
Next would be tzeech as hes attract power seekers, politicians, obsessives, academics etc
Khorne really only applies to warriors
And nurgle realy doesn’t fit he is just gross
The dark side of the force in Star Wars is the same. If the sith were real they’d be full of rape, incest, torture, patricide and fratricide etc
But since it needs to be family friendly they just are edgy
40K is retarded pulp shlock. And that’s why I like it, but there is nothing more embarrassing than acting like it’s high art, or deep and meaningful.
>NOOOO FICTION CAN'T BE DEEP AND MEANINGFUL
>BECAUSE.. IT JUST CAN'T, OK??
Forgive him, anon. He's too sodabrained to accept the fact that even sci-fi can have deep themes and lessons to be learned. He's too young to understand that writers can convey complex themes even through what may seem to be immature settings/stories. I also severely doubt he read any of the Horus Heresy books unlike me (who has read every single one thus far with maybe the exception of a few digital-only stories). Some are shit, yes, but some are amazing.
You should read deeper shit as well, because that much 40K has melted your brain. There’s nothing “deep” about the setting inherently. The same way westerns are not inherently deep. Someone can make a good western movie.. but saying “normies just don’t get westerns… sigh… it’s so complex… the good guy wears a white hat, and the bad guy wears a black hat… and they have a shootout… it’s just such a complex genre”. 40K is just a compilation of scifi tropes, a sandbox for millions of people to shit in, or make castles from.
They made schlock and inadvertently made a cool universe that is reactionary and traditional in its function which is very uncommon in sci fi and fantasy
That’s why people like it. It’s unique in that way
I never EVER said the setting is deep inherently you imbecile. I clearly said the setting is capable of being deep, and it is in certain stories. I'll give some examples. Prospero Burns, Legion, The Outcast Dead, Descent of Angels, Lost and the Damned, The First Heretic, Scars, just to name a few. The Primarchs series has the most amount of philosophy actually - Lorgar, Perturabo, Konrad Curze, Malcador, etc.
>62 books
mate read something else I'm begging you
I have not read a single wh40k book or bought a single miniature since I was 12, however I play darktide, read the wiki and watch creations on YT and music. I love the "last stand" grimdark aesthetic and the community that has grown around it. It is a society pushed to ridiculous extremes to survive, chaos also represents extremes in the human psyche and the various other races are creative. It's metal as fuck.
of course it's dungeons and dragons in space, it is nerdy as fuck and has a 99.9% male fanbase, but there's nothing quite like it
>Doesn't read, just watches shitty youtube videos
Your average 40k fan everyone.
>Forgive him, anon. He's too sodabrained to accept the fact that even sci-fi can have deep themes and lessons to be learned. He's too young to understand that writers can convey complex themes even through what may seem to be immature settings/stories.
It can but as explained here
Warhammer isn't one of the sci-fi franchises with deep themes.
>Horus Heresy books
Mass produced goyslop made to cash in on the star wars/dune prequels that were all the rage at the time.
It can be, but 99.99% of 40K isn’t.
>normies le… just don’t get it
It’s just every scifi and fantasy trope thrown together in an over-the-top way. There’s not much to get if we’re being honest.
>wanting hollywood to infect your fandom
Cinemaphile literally never learns and is a plague on this site.
astartes youtube videos got a lot of posivite feedback from mainstream audiences
I read that it started out as a satire. But the game started copying battletech but everyone ripped of them back then
No it started out as just Warhammer fantasy but IN SPACE
Over time it morphed into its modern form which is much more serious and kid of its own thing even though not has a lot of connection to Warhammer fantasy mainly through chaos which works the same way
The very logic of chaos itself lends to this sort of super intense authoritarian rule
A live-action 40K would be CGI garbage. We don’t need it in our lives.
The way I see it the world is full of shit in any case so it doesn't matter if it adds more shit to the pile, however in the minute possibility it turns out to be kino it would make it all worth it, mathematically speaking it would be good if they gave it a crack.
We haven't had kino in general in at least 3 years. What makes you think there is a nonzero chance of the 40k adaption being kino of all things. You are deranged.
>normies
What exactly do you think Warhammer is lmao