She will be ressurrected 5-8 years later in New Avengers: Time Rift of something like that to help stop Kang. She will have passive aggressive banter with whoever resurrected her about how they only cared about her when it was convenient for them or something like that, but she will be swayed when they bring up her children. At the end she'll get a tearful scene where she sees Sneed and Vicc**t all grown up before either going back to the afterlife or moving to some other universe to maybe find one where her children were left orphans (not like she could do this from the beginning...)
Literally no one wants those creepy as frick imaginary b***hes
Muh fantasy chillins
Muh asexually reproduced homosexual and lovechild of muh brother
Literally fricking no one likes them and everyone thinks they are gross and they are directly responsible for the sw character being ruined
But you don't want to watch >Patriot, as set up in Cap and Bucky >Kid Loki, as set up in Loki >Wanda's kids, as set up in Wandavision >Kate Bishop, as set up in Hawkeye >America Chavez, as set up in MOM >Ms. Marvel, as set up in Ms. Marvel
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Literally no one wants to see 4/10 amber heard level gurlboss dykes homosexuals and Disney brand lump dick spineless simps.
Who's going to be the capableqle who the gurlboss brigade and gays talk down too as he mentors them?
The trailers, the preview clip at the end of Spider-Man, and toy packaging all made it look like this movie was about her teaming up with Strange, I wonder how much the moronic decision to make her the villain affected the massive drop off after the opening weekend.
she mentions him when speaking about the multiverse and having to kill him to destroy the mindstone, but then they completely ignore that white vision is alive and has his memories restored
>they completely ignore that white vision is alive and has his memories restored
It's not clear if she does know any of this, we never saw the other Vision explain it to her in the time they had left. I would have assumed they were making a conscious choice not to confuse people who hadn't seen WandaVision and wouldn't know how he was back, but as it seems Raimi and Waldron didn't even watch WandaVision, they probably didn't know themselves he was alive.
>I would have assumed they were making a conscious choice not to confuse people who hadn't seen WandaVision
then why make a sequel to the show?
>ut as it seems Raimi and Waldron didn't even watch WandaVision, they probably didn't know themselves he was alive.
then they shouldn't be making a sequel to the show
stop making excuses for soulless corporate decisions. there isn't even an inkling of artistic merit in these new stories.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't think I was making excuses for them, I thought I was condemning them for making a sequel to a show they didn't even watch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well then i took what you said wrong, and i apologize.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks, anon. I wish they'd just made another season of WandaVision instead of this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
to be honest, i think wandavision had the most potential out of the marvel studios show, but failed. i wish they didn't completely disolve marvel tv, and brought over the best people to run the new tv division. but the disney plus shows are just about having exclusive content, not making good shows.
true, i meant the writers, not wanda or strange, I should have clarified. White vision feels like a plot hole at this point considering the entire movie was about Wanda wanting her family back, but somehow she seems just fine not knowing what happened to white vision?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>White vision feels like a plot hole at this point
it's just a new addition to the ever growing list of forgotten plot threads in the mcu.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>White vision feels like a plot hole at this point
it's just a new addition to the ever growing list of forgotten plot threads in the mcu.
White Vision is quite literally a plot hole in Wandavision, because it's explicitly shown that Heyward is tracking Vision in the Hex by scanning for vibranium only for it to be later revealed that Vision's body was rebuilt into White Vision.
but she knows he's alive, and makes no effort to look for him or save him. remember, he was her only true love, and the grief drove her to using an entire town as puppets in her sitcom fantasy.
she wouldn't stop caring about him, and focus on her imaginary kids so easily.
But she has a new love now. She loves her kids. It's the Wanda cycle. >Wanda loves her parents >they die >she turns evil >Wanda loves her brother >he dies >for some reason she stays good in this one >Wanda loves Vision >he dies >she turns evil >Wanda loves her kids >they die >she turns evil
> She tells Vision about her dreams (between civil war and Infinity War, most likely). > He figures out it's other Wanda's she is dreaming about, but warns her it could be dangerous. > Her hopes for a better life come from the other Wanda's lives, basically. > Clearly, Chthon has been much less interested in the other Wanda's, whom he regards as expendable drones. > Vision wanted to give her a better, decent, life, he wanted her to retire and live a peaceful life. He's the polar opposite of Chthon. He was trying to push her in the other direction. He was the only person who was doing that.
The whole theme of prophecy, of destiny feeling inevitable, the concept of a shadowy author controlling the multiverse, pushing Wanda, the variant Stranges, down his ordained path.
That's all ignored so we can have MUH BABIES, and lazily regurgitate chatacter arcs from Infinity War and WandaVision.
>Wanda >tradwife >anon making a big deal of lesbian mother showing up for 5 seconds >forgetting about variant Wanda who not only have children, but also isn't evil
Is this bait? If you really think wokeness was the biggest problem of this movie, you have your priorities all over the place.
Winter Soldier was damned good, and played it serious. And I always preferred the horror aspect of the Hulk. Though I did like the Hulk and the Thing running around together back in the day.
I don't know, I feel like MCU has more female heroes now and maybe they don't need her to be redeemed. At least not fully. So then she settles into that "pariah" role she has now in the comics. Like not really good and trusted but also not bad. She kind of cameos in movies and shows when someone needs an expert on magic and Strange and Wong are both busy. Maybe she teams up with Loki and has her redemption shit their.
>I feel like MCU has more female heroes now and maybe they don't need her to be redeemed.
It might have been a better idea to try that with one of the less popular ones. Whether they planned it or not, people liked her in earlier movies, she got really popular last year. This was a stupid, unforced error.
it's indicative of victoria alonzo actually ruining, i mean running the show now that feige is in control of the entire company top to bottom.
>they're all morally dubious imposters.
Black Widow and Wanda, Wasn't that the old crop as well?
Sif was the only one I'd turn my back on and they barely ever used her.
black widow and wanda, in the time we see them are people with dark pasts and guilty consciences trying to make amends, that is until nat kills an entire prison for no reason, and wanda tortures an entire town because she was sad.
one of the producers of all the movies who has been working her way up, kathleen kennedy style to control creative, even though she's just an executive.
>it's indicative of victoria alonzo actually ruining, i mean running the show now that feige is in control of the entire company top to bottom.
I'm honestly not sure if the culture warriors are right that this was all a demoralization psyop about demonizing the woman who wants to be a tradwife and a mother, or if it was just people working on the MCU thinking they were adapting her "big stories" from the comics, with no self-awareness that they were adapting hated stories that left her an unusable pariah for years.
its completely incompetently run at this point, and it's obvious. the culture warrior stuff is infecting everything hollywood at every level. and the lack of self awareness is mostly from hiring cheap, no names for creative who have no love for any of the source.
> with no self-awareness that they were adapting hated stories that left her an unusable pariah for years.
These people had OMD/OMIT on their short list for spider-man reference material.
>These people had OMD/OMIT on their short list for spider-man reference material.
Jesus. I was going to make a joke about how adapting Disassembled and House of M could mean every character's worst stories that damaged them could be on the table to get adapted in the MCU so long as they're well-known, and was going to use some Iron Man, Carol and Hank Pym examples, but that's even worse. How could they possibly think that was a good idea?
2 years ago
Anonymous
they didn't think it was a good idea, they have such a big ego, they thought they could do it better. almost all franchises being continued have no-talent writers thinking they're "improving" everything by making it more (post)modern, less coherent, and modern political.
She still is. 7 months on from Trial of Magneto and Darkhold, there's no sign of anything (nothing in solicitations up to September) having changed at all.
She will need to sacrifice her life to save the entire universe or something. Maybe if Kang is wrecking everything and Wanda is the only one who can stop him and she sacrifices her life doing it
She chose to use it in a show where Agatha had used it for years without consequences, then the movie's plot is that just touching it corrupts you instantly. One doesn't neatly lead into the other. Maybe Raimi and Waldron should have watched the show they were making a sequel to.
If only the creator's knew that. As monstrous as she was in the movie, they were almost scared to call her a straight up villain. There was way too much sympathy given, way too many brush offs. As soon as Strange saw her and said, "you set things right (in Westview)" or something to that effect, I knew they weren't gonna fully commit to this as much as they would with a villain like Thanos, who was another crazy motherfricker doing terrible things for "noble" reasons. Only then you didn't have characters trying to meet him halfway or anything. No, they fought to put him down, no questions asked, no talking necessary.
Thanos, Vulture, Mysterio, Staine, Loki, Killmonger, all have better motivations than Wanda, who is pretty much a puppet of another villain and is one dimensional. Its all "muh kids", nothing else. No substance, no layers.
I liked her prior to Wanda Vision, but after that and Doctors Strange 2, I want someone to fricking pulverize her. I don't care if it's Strange, Wong, or Dormammu. Phase 4 has been pretty fricking miserable so far, the continuity of the universe has been destroyed.
Why was she in a bald cap? I can't immediately think of any scenes where they would have needed that ... unless for something where they knew they were going to be using CG hair and didn't want the real stuff getting in the way?
>unless for something where they knew they were going to be using CG hair and didn't want the real stuff getting in the way?
Its this. Every flying scene has her (and any flying character) bald. MCU is 90% cgi. Iron Man has been a roberts floating head for years now.
Flying CG hair certainly would be my main assumption, but I don't know why that requires a more molded and make-up blended bald cap. I figured they'd just need something more like a swimmers cap, like what Brie Larson was wearing to film that one Endgame scene (pic related). It seems a little more elaborate than what you might expect.
Is this really the same scene? Her suit doesn't even look the same.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, they CG'd over the suit. IIRC there was some story for why they filmed with one version of the suit but CG'd a different one in ... but I don't remember it being very interesting.
It was all the Darkhold's fault, Wanda rewrites reality so that she never killed anyone, but her, Dr. Strange, Wong, Photon, and Vision all remember what happened.
Be sure to watch Wanda's kids in Young Avengers, coming soon to Disney+!
>Be sure to watch Wanda's kids
Nope, not coming back to the MCU unless they put this right, not coming back for anything but Wanda herself, with Vision.
But you don't want to watch >Patriot, as set up in Cap and Bucky >Kid Loki, as set up in Loki >Wanda's kids, as set up in Wandavision >Kate Bishop, as set up in Hawkeye >America Chavez, as set up in MOM >Ms. Marvel, as set up in Ms. Marvel
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>Nope, not coming back to the MCU unless they put this right
*facepalm*
Earth 838 has all of the hero franchises the MCU is 'missing', plus a spare non-evil Wanda.
And there's been an incursion, which can make two universes merge into one another.
838 and the mainlike MCU are gonna merge with some soft handwavey 'now out history is shared' stuff, just like the 5 Earths in CoIE.
And we'll have a non-Evil Wanda back in the MCU. The one who was the victim of the evil one.
How is this... so hard for people to see? They practicly put a flashing neon roadmap over MoM saying 'this is where we are going.'
That Wanda has kids (who have no powers) so she has no motive to fight. That Wanda is a civilian. She has zero knowledge of magic, Wundagore, Chthon, etc, and is portrayed as very weak.
Why would a Wanda who is content to be a nobody get involved with anything?
Given that they went with "it's the Darkhold's fault," she's worse than Winter Soldier and better than Black Widow. And still doesn't hold a candle to Valkyrie in the actually evil and gets away with it department.
She chose to use it in a show where Agatha had used it for years without consequences, then the movie's plot is that just touching it corrupts you instantly. One doesn't neatly lead into the other. Maybe Raimi and Waldron should have watched the show they were making a sequel to.
On top of that, Wanda has zero idea what the Darkhold is or what it means, as Wandavision established that Wanda has no knowledge of magic and is brute forcing things thinking it's superpowers given to her by a space rock.
And the Darkhold was the only way to study and master Chaos Magic.
If she doesn't more WestViews will happen, (its a Catch 22/Kobyashi Maru), as she had no idea how the hex happened.
It's very clear Waldron didn't watch WandaVision (whereas Cumberbatch did), because there is no mention of chaos magic in MoM (a huge red flag that he didn't watch WV). Waldron just had Wanda "go crazy because babies, because she is a woman" because that was in the comics, and didn't bother with continuity.
no because Iron Man is one of my least favorite superheroes and I want muh fricking Galactus
plus between adult Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and Daredevil, it feels like we're finally going to get real Marvel
It's not that I even hated the MCU. I liked Winter Soldier but I'm just not a big Captain America gay. I loved GOTG and Ragnarok. I just don't see the Infinity Saga as some sort of sacred cow that nothing can be added onto or continued in any way. I thought Phase 4 did a good job with Shang-Chi and Moon Knight.
She's dead bro.
they literally just announced she's returning for a show about Wonder Man
>they literally just announced she's returning for a show about Wonder Man
They announced she would be in something that will be filming next year, I don't think they specified which show it would be. The show that's probably going to be a comedy would be a poor fit.
>it feels like we're finally going to get real Marvel >Marvel is just the things I like and nothing else they publish matters
Why are people like this?
>Marvel's most iconic and memorable characters >NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE EXCITED TO SEE THEM YOU CAN ONLY LIKE IRON MAN WHO HAD ONE OVERRATED RUN BY MICHELINIE AND ANOTHER OVERRATED MINISERIES BY WARREN ELLIS >MARVEL IS ONLY ABOUT THE MILITARY, NOT SCIENCE FICTION OR MAGIC OR HORROR OR STREET LEVEL ANTICS >I ONLY ENJOY GROUNDED, REALISTIC SUPERHEROES NOT SHIT FOR KIDS LIKE SUPERHEROES
You alone don't get to decide who are Marvel's most iconic, memorable or popular characters, and you're just going to have to accept that you live in a world where Iron Man is more popular than Wolverine, the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy are more popular than the X-Men and Fantastic 4.
I don't get to decide who are Marvel's most iconic characters. 60 years of them being around gets to decide that. >Spider-Man isn't iconic >6th highest grossing film of all time
lol, I'm sure that me specifically and individually was responsible for this
2 years ago
Anonymous
I never mentioned Spider-Man, you moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Spider-Man, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil
that's what this whole conversation was
I like street level, science fiction, and magic more than the military and you said "none of those things are good or liked, stop liking those things"
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, you stupid little prick, I told you to stop acting like Marvel is just the few characters you like and nobody else matters, and to grow up and accept that a lot of those characters you don't care about are now a lot more popular than X-Men, FF or Daredevil ever were. I don't know why you're even bringing Spider-Man up when he's already been in the MCU since 2016, just like I don't even know where you're getting the idea that the characters the MCU is using are all "the military".
Guardians have had 2 movies, compared to X-Men and Wolverine's TEN.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And none of those movies did as well as the 2 Guardians movies. Most of them did worse than the Ant-Man movies. They made enough to keep getting sequels, until they ended with a flop, but they got utterly mogged by the MCU. You don't really have a point beyond Fox's X-Men movies starting 8 years before the MCU and still losing to it.
And none of those movies did as well as the 2 Guardians movies. Most of them did worse than the Ant-Man movies. They made enough to keep getting sequels, until they ended with a flop, but they got utterly mogged by the MCU. You don't really have a point beyond Fox's X-Men movies starting 8 years before the MCU and still losing to it.
You're a fricking moron. X-Men have been one of Marvel's cash cows since day one. They constantly have a million books, they've had video games, anime, cartoons, toys, and Wolverine was THE character of the 90s. The Guardians only fricking matter because they're part of the Feigeverse, have good music, and have all been turned into quip machines.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is even more embarrassing that Ant man and guardians beat them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally everything MCU was gold until after Endgame. (Exception: Thor 2)
I was just watching that new dr strange movie... everything just seemed so uninteresting compared to most of the older marvel films. And then it got to the part where the goblina was viewing a memory of her dyke mothers, at which point I promptly I closed VLC and deleted the file.
Dude.
Have you seen how they raped BPs origin and cast?
Entirety of phase 3 is a dumpsterfire of homosexualry and pro female empowerment while litterally destroying all males to do it.
Phase 4 was Alonzo hiring random talentless mid looking chunky off white dykes for her harem that everyone in the crews hated and the entire story no matter what it was, was bent and ultimately destroyed to fit them.
All of the shows Alonzo and Feige crafted are shit.
My nephews were gagging for an action film.
They stopped watching dr.strange a few minutes in, called it stupid and played roblox.
Little girls aren't interested in it in the slightest.
Adults see through it.
It's litterally for queers feminists and evil people pushing grooming media and depopulation/eugenics homosexualry.
Anyway.
Shit is legit over now.
SW a hot ....mostly het woman whose drives were a husband children normalcy and happiness was made:
Evil because only crazy women want this. Demonization of family structure and that drive for it.
Lobotomized in the ultimate universe because women like her are brainless SAHM and wanting family and children are what dumb girls want.
Chased after homely fricktoy of Alonzo because she's a young dyke who she wants the infinite potential of because she's jealous... It never made sense because they are pushing a narrative not telling a story.
Murdered Reed. Black bolt, prof X. Because They had more potential as tentacles of the future mcu. So having them brutly killed destroys its future potential ti garner interest in favor of this Hispanic dyke disaster "america chavez".
Which decimated the potential of wanda as a powerful heteronormative heroine that has even more potential as the MCUs WW then any non X affiliated heroine marvel has.
It also killed dr.stranges potential as the a unifying force and backbone of the new mcu going forward in favor if this absolute unmitigated disaster Young Avengers that has never been liked by snyone.
>even more potential as the MCUs WW then any non X affiliated heroine marvel has.
I was thinking about this not long after the movie. Widow is dead, Wanda went off the deep end, Hope has been more of a supporting character, and Carol wasn't the smash hit that they wanted her to be. I thought it was a weird decision to even push Captain Marvel as their leading heroine, since she had no presence on the Avengers team for most of the narrative. Whereas Wanda had been with the audience for a while, and Liz Olsen could come into the role.
It's not Carol's lack of presence, it's that her introduction gives us nothing about her character. Her film is an extended flashback where she's a stoic amnesiac, and her modern appearances have her just as stoic. It's not even the kind of stoic that bounces off other characters well.
Why do the morons at marvel and disney expect the audience/want the audience to watch all of this shit if the writers and creators aren't even connecting between the tv show and movie?
If they don't care about it, I don't care. Plans and the pandemic changed things but if your tv show is going to release, why the discknnect between the two?
Secondly, Quicksilver, why does he not matter to Wanda? I can't believe that quicksilver cameo shit in the show and nothing coming of it.
MCU is shit, the shows are shit, the films are shit, every product is shit out. If your doing long form stories, why can they not be bothered to connect them.
>Secondly, Quicksilver, why does he not matter to Wanda?
He's been dead for years, what do you want, her to keep bringing up her dead twin all the time?
>I can't believe that quicksilver cameo shit in the show and nothing coming of it.
It was a sitcom re-casting gag and Agatha messing with Wanda, what more did you expect to come of it?
Good writing would have brought her dead brother up, why didn't she go multiversing for the universe with him alive?
I expected some form of Quicksilver in the movie, either quicksilver MCU telling her to knock it off in person or in a dream like raimi sequence or the fox quicksilver and mcu quicksilver being part of the multiverse idea. >just a joke bro
Yeah if every ahow keeps doing this, it will end badly.
She's insane over a personality devoid machine and "children" she aesexually created and knew gor all of four days
QS was her frickibg twin brother that she's known her entire life.
Sobbing over her vibrator she's known for less then a few years and fantasy children for a less them 80 hours but not him is moronic.
My speculation is that she and every other variant Wanda will likely die to seal away Chthon. My guess is White Vision and Agatha will also die with her. That's IMHO how it will end.
Waldron and Raimi clearly didn't give a shit about her character. There is not even minimal effort. She is just evil and baby crazy with no attempt to have any nuance. There is a very interesting concept of her timeline is fricked, yet other Wanda's have (some) happiness. The film never has Wanda rail against her shitty timeline, which is all about Big C "forging" her to be the Scarlet Witch, but none of the others, never question who is behind this, who wrote the Darkhold, it's all muh Billy muh Tommy.
The Xavier scene was a perfect opportunity to show Chthon's mind frickery, to show what was going on, but that again had no imagination. Visual storytelling is something Waldron cannot seem to do; we are told things, never shown them. Even a short 1-2 minute flashback could have fixed some issues.
Wanda destroying the Darkhold is important but the movie never explains who Chthon is to normies, which is what would give Wanda's actions at the end weight and meaning. Using the Darkhold as a metaphor for characters finding they are pawns of a crazy author (thus making the cameos work on a meta level and actually add to the story, characters from other stories also victims of the malevolent author).
Notice how the lesbian couple are presented as wholesome whereas Wanda, the TERF trad wife/mother, is portrayed as evil? Tony, Steve, Clint, Scott wanting to settle down and have a family life is presented as noble, Wanda wanting the same is presented as twisted and perverted, we saw something not dissimilar with Natasha. On top of that they have made Wanda's entire character orbit around her kids. I want them to frick off out of her story, especially as she is now very likely totally done with being a mother (after that trauma no way is she going to welcome them with open arms).
>We'll get her instead of redeaming the evil one.
That's a major problem, because 838 Wanda isn't the one we've been following since AoU. In fact, given the internal chronology of the MCU, that Wanda can't be anything similar to MCU Wanda as she would have needed to have given birth sometime before AoU for the kids to be the right age.
*pushes up glasses*
Well, ackshually, in the Runaways TV show on Hulu, Nico Minoru's father Robert Minoru scanned the pages of the Darkhold and created a digital copy. It is unclear whether destroying the Darkhold in every universe only destroyed physical copies, leaving a backdoor if they ever reintroduced Runaways back into the MCU and bring back the Darkhold.
>"Its not me you have to worry about. The greatest threat to the multiverse is what its always been, the israelites. No super power can stand up to the corruption caused by israelites, certainly not a pair of Black folk, a cripple and a british hag. You have to believe me."
How did Raimi get away with this?
>easily controlled shuma gorath
how the frick can she be stopped, realistically? A cute little girl giving her kitten punches into alternate realities won't work again
>Character is evil since their introduction >Everyone acts surprised when she goes full villain and acts like it's out of character
Holy frick it's GoT all over again. Did people forget her first appearance was her setting a mind controlled Hulk loose to destroy a city?
>starts a villain >is a 'good guy' for all of five minutes >during that time she bombs a building, mistake or otherwise >she then traps an entire town in a fantasy world >WtF wHy iS sHe EviL nOw!?
Its insane, isn't it?
>Character is evil since their introduction
The only way you can possibly believe this is if you've only seen Age of Ultron and Multiverse of Madness ... and you also fell asleep half-way through Age of Ultron. Bait harder, I guess.
It's great that everyone at Marvel Studios is on the same page, and that Scott Derickson didn't openly say Everything Everywhere All At Once is far better.
? she died
>death
>meaning anything in the mcu
Hilarious bro.
she didn't have a believable heel turn, you think they're gonna care turning her face again?
she's too hot brother
She will be ressurrected 5-8 years later in New Avengers: Time Rift of something like that to help stop Kang. She will have passive aggressive banter with whoever resurrected her about how they only cared about her when it was convenient for them or something like that, but she will be swayed when they bring up her children. At the end she'll get a tearful scene where she sees Sneed and Vicc**t all grown up before either going back to the afterlife or moving to some other universe to maybe find one where her children were left orphans (not like she could do this from the beginning...)
Screencap this.
Literally no one wants those creepy as frick imaginary b***hes
Muh fantasy chillins
Muh asexually reproduced homosexual and lovechild of muh brother
Literally fricking no one likes them and everyone thinks they are gross and they are directly responsible for the sw character being ruined
Literally no one wants to see 4/10 amber heard level gurlboss dykes homosexuals and Disney brand lump dick spineless simps.
Who's going to be the capableqle who the gurlboss brigade and gays talk down too as he mentors them?
Did you have a stroke? That last sentence is pure gibberish.
>That last sentence is pure gibberish
No, it makes perfect sense in /misc/speak.
>REEE POOOOOLLLLL
obsessed
yet another good character ruined by corporate wokeness and incompetent writers.
The trailers, the preview clip at the end of Spider-Man, and toy packaging all made it look like this movie was about her teaming up with Strange, I wonder how much the moronic decision to make her the villain affected the massive drop off after the opening weekend.
it's not just the bad decisions, it's the bad character writing. she doesn't even mention vision once, even though she knows he's alive.
she mentions him when speaking about the multiverse and having to kill him to destroy the mindstone, but then they completely ignore that white vision is alive and has his memories restored
also, why is strange still hung up on a woman he dated briefly a decade ago, that he never really liked or respected?
>they completely ignore that white vision is alive and has his memories restored
It's not clear if she does know any of this, we never saw the other Vision explain it to her in the time they had left. I would have assumed they were making a conscious choice not to confuse people who hadn't seen WandaVision and wouldn't know how he was back, but as it seems Raimi and Waldron didn't even watch WandaVision, they probably didn't know themselves he was alive.
>I would have assumed they were making a conscious choice not to confuse people who hadn't seen WandaVision
then why make a sequel to the show?
>ut as it seems Raimi and Waldron didn't even watch WandaVision, they probably didn't know themselves he was alive.
then they shouldn't be making a sequel to the show
stop making excuses for soulless corporate decisions. there isn't even an inkling of artistic merit in these new stories.
I didn't think I was making excuses for them, I thought I was condemning them for making a sequel to a show they didn't even watch.
well then i took what you said wrong, and i apologize.
Thanks, anon. I wish they'd just made another season of WandaVision instead of this.
to be honest, i think wandavision had the most potential out of the marvel studios show, but failed. i wish they didn't completely disolve marvel tv, and brought over the best people to run the new tv division. but the disney plus shows are just about having exclusive content, not making good shows.
true, i meant the writers, not wanda or strange, I should have clarified. White vision feels like a plot hole at this point considering the entire movie was about Wanda wanting her family back, but somehow she seems just fine not knowing what happened to white vision?
>White vision feels like a plot hole at this point
it's just a new addition to the ever growing list of forgotten plot threads in the mcu.
White Vision is quite literally a plot hole in Wandavision, because it's explicitly shown that Heyward is tracking Vision in the Hex by scanning for vibranium only for it to be later revealed that Vision's body was rebuilt into White Vision.
Whether or not our Vision was alive, he could still have been shown, if only briefly, as being in other Wanda's family.
She does. She says "Vis thought the multiverse was real... And dangerous."
White Vision showed up and fricked off in the last episode of WandaVision.
but she knows he's alive, and makes no effort to look for him or save him. remember, he was her only true love, and the grief drove her to using an entire town as puppets in her sitcom fantasy.
she wouldn't stop caring about him, and focus on her imaginary kids so easily.
But she has a new love now. She loves her kids. It's the Wanda cycle.
>Wanda loves her parents
>they die
>she turns evil
>Wanda loves her brother
>he dies
>for some reason she stays good in this one
>Wanda loves Vision
>he dies
>she turns evil
>Wanda loves her kids
>they die
>she turns evil
> She tells Vision about her dreams (between civil war and Infinity War, most likely).
> He figures out it's other Wanda's she is dreaming about, but warns her it could be dangerous.
> Her hopes for a better life come from the other Wanda's lives, basically.
> Clearly, Chthon has been much less interested in the other Wanda's, whom he regards as expendable drones.
> Vision wanted to give her a better, decent, life, he wanted her to retire and live a peaceful life. He's the polar opposite of Chthon. He was trying to push her in the other direction. He was the only person who was doing that.
The whole theme of prophecy, of destiny feeling inevitable, the concept of a shadowy author controlling the multiverse, pushing Wanda, the variant Stranges, down his ordained path.
That's all ignored so we can have MUH BABIES, and lazily regurgitate chatacter arcs from Infinity War and WandaVision.
This mentions him twice, shit heel moron.
So damn cute.
What? The problem wasn't """wokeness""". It was a shitty ass script.
Yes it was.
They portray the trad mother as evil and having no kids. They portray the lesbian mothers as good and having kids.
It's very blatant woke propaganda.
Also, Strange is so fricking dense he doesn't figure out who is corrupting Wanda and his variants. He is dumb.
>Wanda
>tradwife
>anon making a big deal of lesbian mother showing up for 5 seconds
>forgetting about variant Wanda who not only have children, but also isn't evil
Is this bait? If you really think wokeness was the biggest problem of this movie, you have your priorities all over the place.
No need to post a selfie, dude
All Wanda's are Chthon, therefore all Wanda's should be killed.
All Wanda's are evil because they have chaos magic in them, which turns you evil because it is evil magic.
All Wandas should gangbang me
she's already hitting the wall as seen in her appeal was big breasts and cute face. now they're hiding the breasts and covering her up.
That image was put through a filter you silly goose.
marvel hasn't made a great movie since civil war, and no great tv since daredevil season 2
civil war was shit and the MCU is at its best when it goes balls to the wall camp
Winter Soldier was damned good, and played it serious. And I always preferred the horror aspect of the Hulk. Though I did like the Hulk and the Thing running around together back in the day.
She is a cute. She can do anything! ANYTHING!
>he's alive.
???
I don't know, I feel like MCU has more female heroes now and maybe they don't need her to be redeemed. At least not fully. So then she settles into that "pariah" role she has now in the comics. Like not really good and trusted but also not bad. She kind of cameos in movies and shows when someone needs an expert on magic and Strange and Wong are both busy. Maybe she teams up with Loki and has her redemption shit their.
>female heroes
not a single one of the new crop is a hero, though. they're all morally dubious imposters.
>they're all morally dubious imposters.
Black Widow and Wanda, Wasn't that the old crop as well?
Sif was the only one I'd turn my back on and they barely ever used her.
>Loki x Wanda
What a wonderful way to piss off both the Loki fangirls and the Wanda fanboys at once.
>I feel like MCU has more female heroes now and maybe they don't need her to be redeemed.
It might have been a better idea to try that with one of the less popular ones. Whether they planned it or not, people liked her in earlier movies, she got really popular last year. This was a stupid, unforced error.
it's indicative of victoria alonzo actually ruining, i mean running the show now that feige is in control of the entire company top to bottom.
black widow and wanda, in the time we see them are people with dark pasts and guilty consciences trying to make amends, that is until nat kills an entire prison for no reason, and wanda tortures an entire town because she was sad.
>victoria alonzo
who
one of the producers of all the movies who has been working her way up, kathleen kennedy style to control creative, even though she's just an executive.
>it's indicative of victoria alonzo actually ruining, i mean running the show now that feige is in control of the entire company top to bottom.
I'm honestly not sure if the culture warriors are right that this was all a demoralization psyop about demonizing the woman who wants to be a tradwife and a mother, or if it was just people working on the MCU thinking they were adapting her "big stories" from the comics, with no self-awareness that they were adapting hated stories that left her an unusable pariah for years.
its completely incompetently run at this point, and it's obvious. the culture warrior stuff is infecting everything hollywood at every level. and the lack of self awareness is mostly from hiring cheap, no names for creative who have no love for any of the source.
> with no self-awareness that they were adapting hated stories that left her an unusable pariah for years.
These people had OMD/OMIT on their short list for spider-man reference material.
i think it might be hubris, like how every spider-man comic writer thinks they can do the clone saga right, but nobody can because it's terrible idea.
>These people had OMD/OMIT on their short list for spider-man reference material.
Jesus. I was going to make a joke about how adapting Disassembled and House of M could mean every character's worst stories that damaged them could be on the table to get adapted in the MCU so long as they're well-known, and was going to use some Iron Man, Carol and Hank Pym examples, but that's even worse. How could they possibly think that was a good idea?
they didn't think it was a good idea, they have such a big ego, they thought they could do it better. almost all franchises being continued have no-talent writers thinking they're "improving" everything by making it more (post)modern, less coherent, and modern political.
> left her an unusable pariah for years.
She still is. 7 months on from Trial of Magneto and Darkhold, there's no sign of anything (nothing in solicitations up to September) having changed at all.
>nat kills an entire prison for no reason
It was a ruskie prison. Who gives a frick?
She will need to sacrifice her life to save the entire universe or something. Maybe if Kang is wrecking everything and Wanda is the only one who can stop him and she sacrifices her life doing it
It will be Chthon not Kang.
Wanda has no beef with Kang.
I don't know what part of darkhold you don't get. Kind of ironic it's a book, cause clearly your ass can't read.
agents of shield did the darkhold better, prove me wrong.
(and runaways kind of did too, but not as good as aos)
AoS has EASILY the best writing of live action Marvel (not seen the Netflix shows, though).
She CHOSE to use the Darkhold.
She chose to use it in a show where Agatha had used it for years without consequences, then the movie's plot is that just touching it corrupts you instantly. One doesn't neatly lead into the other. Maybe Raimi and Waldron should have watched the show they were making a sequel to.
I don't want her to be redeemed, Wanda is the best villain the MCU's had in ages.
If only the creator's knew that. As monstrous as she was in the movie, they were almost scared to call her a straight up villain. There was way too much sympathy given, way too many brush offs. As soon as Strange saw her and said, "you set things right (in Westview)" or something to that effect, I knew they weren't gonna fully commit to this as much as they would with a villain like Thanos, who was another crazy motherfricker doing terrible things for "noble" reasons. Only then you didn't have characters trying to meet him halfway or anything. No, they fought to put him down, no questions asked, no talking necessary.
Thanos, Vulture, Mysterio, Staine, Loki, Killmonger, all have better motivations than Wanda, who is pretty much a puppet of another villain and is one dimensional. Its all "muh kids", nothing else. No substance, no layers.
Anon.
She's not a puppet of any villain. That would have been goid and made sense.
She's just a frickibg idiot.
i guarantee they wanted to ugly up lizzie, but couldn't, because it's impossible.
Real life angel
I just wish her butt were bigger. At least the size of ScarJo's.
not everyone can be perfect, i'd take either or both as is if i could.
Even in briefly glimpsed full demon mode she was kinda adorable.
DEH
Chthonda could appear in House of Harkness, taunting Agatha Harkness. Doubt we'll see actual Wanda in that or Wonderman.
We might see Natalya Maximoff, in AHoH.
I liked her prior to Wanda Vision, but after that and Doctors Strange 2, I want someone to fricking pulverize her. I don't care if it's Strange, Wong, or Dormammu. Phase 4 has been pretty fricking miserable so far, the continuity of the universe has been destroyed.
Lizzie is adorable.
Unironically the only pics I've ever seen where she looks ugly are heavily shopped ones from photoshoots
Why was she in a bald cap? I can't immediately think of any scenes where they would have needed that ... unless for something where they knew they were going to be using CG hair and didn't want the real stuff getting in the way?
>unless for something where they knew they were going to be using CG hair and didn't want the real stuff getting in the way?
Its this. Every flying scene has her (and any flying character) bald. MCU is 90% cgi. Iron Man has been a roberts floating head for years now.
Flying CG hair certainly would be my main assumption, but I don't know why that requires a more molded and make-up blended bald cap. I figured they'd just need something more like a swimmers cap, like what Brie Larson was wearing to film that one Endgame scene (pic related). It seems a little more elaborate than what you might expect.
Is this really the same scene? Her suit doesn't even look the same.
Yeah, they CG'd over the suit. IIRC there was some story for why they filmed with one version of the suit but CG'd a different one in ... but I don't remember it being very interesting.
It was all the Darkhold's fault, Wanda rewrites reality so that she never killed anyone, but her, Dr. Strange, Wong, Photon, and Vision all remember what happened.
Be sure to watch Wanda's kids in Young Avengers, coming soon to Disney+!
>Be sure to watch Wanda's kids
Nope, not coming back to the MCU unless they put this right, not coming back for anything but Wanda herself, with Vision.
But you don't want to watch
>Patriot, as set up in Cap and Bucky
>Kid Loki, as set up in Loki
>Wanda's kids, as set up in Wandavision
>Kate Bishop, as set up in Hawkeye
>America Chavez, as set up in MOM
>Ms. Marvel, as set up in Ms. Marvel
?
No. I just want to watch Wanda. And Vision. WandaVision, if you will.
>Nope, not coming back to the MCU unless they put this right
*facepalm*
Earth 838 has all of the hero franchises the MCU is 'missing', plus a spare non-evil Wanda.
And there's been an incursion, which can make two universes merge into one another.
838 and the mainlike MCU are gonna merge with some soft handwavey 'now out history is shared' stuff, just like the 5 Earths in CoIE.
And we'll have a non-Evil Wanda back in the MCU. The one who was the victim of the evil one.
How is this... so hard for people to see? They practicly put a flashing neon roadmap over MoM saying 'this is where we are going.'
That Wanda has kids (who have no powers) so she has no motive to fight. That Wanda is a civilian. She has zero knowledge of magic, Wundagore, Chthon, etc, and is portrayed as very weak.
Why would a Wanda who is content to be a nobody get involved with anything?
she did have powers, she flew away when she woke up from dream walking and her kids could have latent powers
Only MCU Wanda actually has powers, the others are just expendable drones.
She's not nearly as bad as 95% of villains who are redeemed, she even used to be a hero so that makes it easier to believe
Given that they went with "it's the Darkhold's fault," she's worse than Winter Soldier and better than Black Widow. And still doesn't hold a candle to Valkyrie in the actually evil and gets away with it department.
On top of that, Wanda has zero idea what the Darkhold is or what it means, as Wandavision established that Wanda has no knowledge of magic and is brute forcing things thinking it's superpowers given to her by a space rock.
And the Darkhold was the only way to study and master Chaos Magic.
If she doesn't more WestViews will happen, (its a Catch 22/Kobyashi Maru), as she had no idea how the hex happened.
It's very clear Waldron didn't watch WandaVision (whereas Cumberbatch did), because there is no mention of chaos magic in MoM (a huge red flag that he didn't watch WV). Waldron just had Wanda "go crazy because babies, because she is a woman" because that was in the comics, and didn't bother with continuity.
She'll get her undeserved redemption because people always let it go if it's a woman who is even slightly attractive.
So, does anyone else get the feeling that watching any MCU content after End Game is like doing the side quests on an RPG you've already beaten?
no because Iron Man is one of my least favorite superheroes and I want muh fricking Galactus
plus between adult Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and Daredevil, it feels like we're finally going to get real Marvel
I understand what you want, but do you trust the people running Marvel to give it to you and not have it be dogshit?
It's not that I even hated the MCU. I liked Winter Soldier but I'm just not a big Captain America gay. I loved GOTG and Ragnarok. I just don't see the Infinity Saga as some sort of sacred cow that nothing can be added onto or continued in any way. I thought Phase 4 did a good job with Shang-Chi and Moon Knight.
they literally just announced she's returning for a show about Wonder Man
>they literally just announced she's returning for a show about Wonder Man
They announced she would be in something that will be filming next year, I don't think they specified which show it would be. The show that's probably going to be a comedy would be a poor fit.
>it feels like we're finally going to get real Marvel
>Marvel is just the things I like and nothing else they publish matters
Why are people like this?
>Marvel's most iconic and memorable characters
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE EXCITED TO SEE THEM YOU CAN ONLY LIKE IRON MAN WHO HAD ONE OVERRATED RUN BY MICHELINIE AND ANOTHER OVERRATED MINISERIES BY WARREN ELLIS
>MARVEL IS ONLY ABOUT THE MILITARY, NOT SCIENCE FICTION OR MAGIC OR HORROR OR STREET LEVEL ANTICS
>I ONLY ENJOY GROUNDED, REALISTIC SUPERHEROES NOT SHIT FOR KIDS LIKE SUPERHEROES
You alone don't get to decide who are Marvel's most iconic, memorable or popular characters, and you're just going to have to accept that you live in a world where Iron Man is more popular than Wolverine, the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy are more popular than the X-Men and Fantastic 4.
I don't get to decide who are Marvel's most iconic characters. 60 years of them being around gets to decide that.
>Spider-Man isn't iconic
>6th highest grossing film of all time
lol, I'm sure that me specifically and individually was responsible for this
I never mentioned Spider-Man, you moron.
>Spider-Man, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil
that's what this whole conversation was
I like street level, science fiction, and magic more than the military and you said "none of those things are good or liked, stop liking those things"
No, you stupid little prick, I told you to stop acting like Marvel is just the few characters you like and nobody else matters, and to grow up and accept that a lot of those characters you don't care about are now a lot more popular than X-Men, FF or Daredevil ever were. I don't know why you're even bringing Spider-Man up when he's already been in the MCU since 2016, just like I don't even know where you're getting the idea that the characters the MCU is using are all "the military".
Guardians have had 2 movies, compared to X-Men and Wolverine's TEN.
And none of those movies did as well as the 2 Guardians movies. Most of them did worse than the Ant-Man movies. They made enough to keep getting sequels, until they ended with a flop, but they got utterly mogged by the MCU. You don't really have a point beyond Fox's X-Men movies starting 8 years before the MCU and still losing to it.
You're a fricking moron. X-Men have been one of Marvel's cash cows since day one. They constantly have a million books, they've had video games, anime, cartoons, toys, and Wolverine was THE character of the 90s. The Guardians only fricking matter because they're part of the Feigeverse, have good music, and have all been turned into quip machines.
That is even more embarrassing that Ant man and guardians beat them.
Literally everything MCU was gold until after Endgame. (Exception: Thor 2)
She's dead bro.
I was just watching that new dr strange movie... everything just seemed so uninteresting compared to most of the older marvel films. And then it got to the part where the goblina was viewing a memory of her dyke mothers, at which point I promptly I closed VLC and deleted the file.
I can't believe they adapted the lesbian dimension when it was retconned in the comics.
Dude.
Have you seen how they raped BPs origin and cast?
Entirety of phase 3 is a dumpsterfire of homosexualry and pro female empowerment while litterally destroying all males to do it.
Phase 4 was Alonzo hiring random talentless mid looking chunky off white dykes for her harem that everyone in the crews hated and the entire story no matter what it was, was bent and ultimately destroyed to fit them.
All of the shows Alonzo and Feige crafted are shit.
My nephews were gagging for an action film.
They stopped watching dr.strange a few minutes in, called it stupid and played roblox.
Little girls aren't interested in it in the slightest.
Adults see through it.
It's litterally for queers feminists and evil people pushing grooming media and depopulation/eugenics homosexualry.
Anyway.
Shit is legit over now.
SW a hot ....mostly het woman whose drives were a husband children normalcy and happiness was made:
Evil because only crazy women want this. Demonization of family structure and that drive for it.
Lobotomized in the ultimate universe because women like her are brainless SAHM and wanting family and children are what dumb girls want.
Chased after homely fricktoy of Alonzo because she's a young dyke who she wants the infinite potential of because she's jealous... It never made sense because they are pushing a narrative not telling a story.
Murdered Reed. Black bolt, prof X. Because They had more potential as tentacles of the future mcu. So having them brutly killed destroys its future potential ti garner interest in favor of this Hispanic dyke disaster "america chavez".
Which decimated the potential of wanda as a powerful heteronormative heroine that has even more potential as the MCUs WW then any non X affiliated heroine marvel has.
It also killed dr.stranges potential as the a unifying force and backbone of the new mcu going forward in favor if this absolute unmitigated disaster Young Avengers that has never been liked by snyone.
meds
How low are Disney's stocks now?
I think you should cash in now.
Because it's over.
>if you don't seethe for [thing_that_triggers_me] you clearly support [group_that_I_don't_like]
That's some fine twitter rhetoric right there
>even more potential as the MCUs WW then any non X affiliated heroine marvel has.
I was thinking about this not long after the movie. Widow is dead, Wanda went off the deep end, Hope has been more of a supporting character, and Carol wasn't the smash hit that they wanted her to be. I thought it was a weird decision to even push Captain Marvel as their leading heroine, since she had no presence on the Avengers team for most of the narrative. Whereas Wanda had been with the audience for a while, and Liz Olsen could come into the role.
It's not Carol's lack of presence, it's that her introduction gives us nothing about her character. Her film is an extended flashback where she's a stoic amnesiac, and her modern appearances have her just as stoic. It's not even the kind of stoic that bounces off other characters well.
Why do the morons at marvel and disney expect the audience/want the audience to watch all of this shit if the writers and creators aren't even connecting between the tv show and movie?
If they don't care about it, I don't care. Plans and the pandemic changed things but if your tv show is going to release, why the discknnect between the two?
Secondly, Quicksilver, why does he not matter to Wanda? I can't believe that quicksilver cameo shit in the show and nothing coming of it.
MCU is shit, the shows are shit, the films are shit, every product is shit out. If your doing long form stories, why can they not be bothered to connect them.
>Secondly, Quicksilver, why does he not matter to Wanda?
He's been dead for years, what do you want, her to keep bringing up her dead twin all the time?
>I can't believe that quicksilver cameo shit in the show and nothing coming of it.
It was a sitcom re-casting gag and Agatha messing with Wanda, what more did you expect to come of it?
Good writing would have brought her dead brother up, why didn't she go multiversing for the universe with him alive?
I expected some form of Quicksilver in the movie, either quicksilver MCU telling her to knock it off in person or in a dream like raimi sequence or the fox quicksilver and mcu quicksilver being part of the multiverse idea.
>just a joke bro
Yeah if every ahow keeps doing this, it will end badly.
She's insane over a personality devoid machine and "children" she aesexually created and knew gor all of four days
QS was her frickibg twin brother that she's known her entire life.
Sobbing over her vibrator she's known for less then a few years and fantasy children for a less them 80 hours but not him is moronic.
>She's insane over a personality devoid machine
I don't think she's met Carol.
Anyone got the run webm?
>It wasn't her, it was Chthon.
That wasn't hard.
She has the pussy pass. If she doesn't get redeemed she'll blame it on internet trolls.
My speculation is that she and every other variant Wanda will likely die to seal away Chthon. My guess is White Vision and Agatha will also die with her. That's IMHO how it will end.
Waldron and Raimi clearly didn't give a shit about her character. There is not even minimal effort. She is just evil and baby crazy with no attempt to have any nuance. There is a very interesting concept of her timeline is fricked, yet other Wanda's have (some) happiness. The film never has Wanda rail against her shitty timeline, which is all about Big C "forging" her to be the Scarlet Witch, but none of the others, never question who is behind this, who wrote the Darkhold, it's all muh Billy muh Tommy.
The Xavier scene was a perfect opportunity to show Chthon's mind frickery, to show what was going on, but that again had no imagination. Visual storytelling is something Waldron cannot seem to do; we are told things, never shown them. Even a short 1-2 minute flashback could have fixed some issues.
Wanda destroying the Darkhold is important but the movie never explains who Chthon is to normies, which is what would give Wanda's actions at the end weight and meaning. Using the Darkhold as a metaphor for characters finding they are pawns of a crazy author (thus making the cameos work on a meta level and actually add to the story, characters from other stories also victims of the malevolent author).
Notice how the lesbian couple are presented as wholesome whereas Wanda, the TERF trad wife/mother, is portrayed as evil? Tony, Steve, Clint, Scott wanting to settle down and have a family life is presented as noble, Wanda wanting the same is presented as twisted and perverted, we saw something not dissimilar with Natasha. On top of that they have made Wanda's entire character orbit around her kids. I want them to frick off out of her story, especially as she is now very likely totally done with being a mother (after that trauma no way is she going to welcome them with open arms).
what did twitter mean by this
What is there left to redeem? She had a change of heart, destroyed the darkhold in every universe, then "died."
>There's no way this b***h can get a believable redemption, right?
Isn't she DEAD?
>dead
>in comic book based media
lol, lmao
What gave you that idea?
Destroying a copy of the darkhold kills the person who does it. It was a plot point.
Wanda destroyed the ORIGINAL in her last act in the movie.
>>dead
>>in comic book based media
So? They introduced 838 Wanda. We'll get her instead of redeaming the evil one.
Strange assumed it, we dont actually know if she did
>We'll get her instead of redeaming the evil one.
That's a major problem, because 838 Wanda isn't the one we've been following since AoU. In fact, given the internal chronology of the MCU, that Wanda can't be anything similar to MCU Wanda as she would have needed to have given birth sometime before AoU for the kids to be the right age.
Crisis of Onfinite Earths.
The timeline is gonna be adjusted.
Hell, arguably she'll be a blend of both wandas once all the smoke clears.
Wanda is Chthon's avatar, and as such she is made of the same stuff as his book.
Also Chthon can't afford to have the Prime Wanda, Scarlet Witch, die.
She wants to do House of M, maybe as the first X Men movie, and jump to the X-Men >BoEM
>B-but Wanda can be her own thing
BLADE
(OPENING SCENE)
BLADE: "It appears vampires no longer exist as Wanda destroyed all the Darkhold's, and my vampirism is also cured. My job is done."
END CREDITS
*pushes up glasses*
Well, ackshually, in the Runaways TV show on Hulu, Nico Minoru's father Robert Minoru scanned the pages of the Darkhold and created a digital copy. It is unclear whether destroying the Darkhold in every universe only destroyed physical copies, leaving a backdoor if they ever reintroduced Runaways back into the MCU and bring back the Darkhold.
You not only watched runaways but remembered plot events in such detail? You should be putting that brain to use for the good of mankind.
>Runaways TV show
Frick you I had purged that from memory.
>"Its not me you have to worry about. The greatest threat to the multiverse is what its always been, the israelites. No super power can stand up to the corruption caused by israelites, certainly not a pair of Black folk, a cripple and a british hag. You have to believe me."
How did Raimi get away with this?
God I want her to step on be so bad
Why did they make professers X's mobility scooter look like a shortbus?
>easily controlled shuma gorath
how the frick can she be stopped, realistically? A cute little girl giving her kitten punches into alternate realities won't work again
>literal infinite universes
>they set the film in "earth but theres more plants"
>Character is evil since their introduction
>Everyone acts surprised when she goes full villain and acts like it's out of character
Holy frick it's GoT all over again. Did people forget her first appearance was her setting a mind controlled Hulk loose to destroy a city?
>starts a villain
>is a 'good guy' for all of five minutes
>during that time she bombs a building, mistake or otherwise
>she then traps an entire town in a fantasy world
>WtF wHy iS sHe EviL nOw!?
Its insane, isn't it?
>Character is evil since their introduction
The only way you can possibly believe this is if you've only seen Age of Ultron and Multiverse of Madness ... and you also fell asleep half-way through Age of Ultron. Bait harder, I guess.
Strange is supposed to be smart but doesn't know who wrote the Darkhold.
Illuminati don't know that Wanda has chaos magic. Mordo confirmed for moron.
Wong looks at statue of Wanda made by author of Darkhold and just shrugs.
Why didn't Ancient One destroy all the Darkholds?
It's great that everyone at Marvel Studios is on the same page, and that Scott Derickson didn't openly say Everything Everywhere All At Once is far better.
how can you hold grudge to someone that cute, you monster.