They established in episode two that the boats have steam engines - why didn't they just reverse out?
They established in episode two that the boats have steam engines - why didn't they just reverse out?
They established in episode two that the boats have steam engines - why didn't they just reverse out?
are these two niqqas in every show together?
They wanted to put that pornstar who played Vorenus' wife and Tyrions prostitute in there too but apparently she was too busy sucking wiener
She's still in the porn industry? Nice
Those were different actresses
You're right she played that crazy sand snake b***h who's plot went nowhere.
i think i actually hate that turkish prostitute less than the arab c**t from rome
Next movie will be in space, they're bound together through time
I would truly enjoy that. What would their spacekino be about.
Why the frick is Brutus and Julius Caesar doing in the Arctic?
You mean Edmure Tully and Mance Rayder
No one means that, dumb frick reddit Black person.
>I think we crossed the wrong Rubicon somewhere, Brutus my boy
how did these two guys survive from the roman empire up until the chernobyl disaster?
The ice was too thick for the screws to push them free.
why are there two differnt shows considered season 1 and 2 on the same wiki if they have nothing to do with eachother?
It came out when the Anthology Series meme was big. Also name recognition.
Even though season 2 was just a Japanese-American showrunner's big fat faux-culture jerkoff session made to shit on Kids in Cages.
It was never supposed to be an anthology series. The seethe and an almost entirely white and male cast (that accurately depicted homosexuals) was so successful meant that it had to be defaced with a second series and be turned into an anthology.
youtube has rotted your already simple mind, seek help (ideally a bullet to the head)
He's completely right, seek dilation
Cope, seethe and dial eight.
hehe
lol
>just act natural, he won't notice that you are in fact Caesar.
Did you forget that what's his face on the right was also brutus?
This is basically just a more contemporary version of what artists did in the middle-ages and the renaissance anyway. Painting historical scenes of Caesar or Alexander dressed in contemporary armour. I choose to believe it.
kek, that reference went completely over my head.
idk about the show, in the book it's explained that the engine was not powerful enough for ocean travel because it was taken from a train. also the expedition didn't bring a large amount of co
Samegay
I meant to say "didn't bring a large amount of coco pops"
shut up homosexual
*large enough amount of coal
they cut to like two weeks later after theyre all hopeful. coudlnt they have been like "nah this ice is freezing this is a loss lets go home?" if i was a captain on those ships i wouldve just left
if they just up and left they would be humiliated and their reputation in the admiralty would be shot, it's pride that kept sir john (and fitzjames, for a time) going.
It was winter, they expected to get stuck, they just hoped for the ice to melt in the summer like it did before, and then they hoped for the next summer.
also what are the crew doing on the day to day? theres 8 months passed until the first expedition. What did people get up to? besides buggery, which is a given.
captcha is Y NOT
Water colors, climbing, prayer
Play cards, tell stories, but mostly just work. It's not like there was a lack of maintenance to constantly uphold.
Old sailing ships where everything was made of and/or held together with wood block tackle and ropes had shitloads of daily maintenance tasks for the enlisted cucks. Officers played cards all day.
Drink, arm wrestling
Are those 2 married? I've never seen them on anything but Rome, GoT and now on a boat. They must really like each other
the steam engines were totally inadequate for a large sailing ship dealing with ice. It had 30 fricking horsepower. That wouldn't cut it as the tiny backup engine on a retired couple's sailboat that they putter around the marina once a year.
then why were they there? these boats were supposed to be "the most advanced of their time"
slapping a flux capacitor into a fiat 500 doesnt make it more advanced, its just dead weight.
really mostly for heating purposes i presume (the ships had a central heating system), that and moving the ship inside a port and the like.
they turned off the engines once they got stranded.
propaganda didnt exist before the first world war. please take your trolling somewhere else.
>propaganda didnt exist before the first world war
youre an idiot
They weren't even using them to get in and out of port(these were age of sail sailors, to them the idea of approaching a dock under engine power was stranger and more intimidating than sailing in to port), the engines on those ships were really just for show. The heating had nothing to do with them, and they only carried enough coal to keep the engine running for 12 days total. It was slower than sailing under most conditions. Theoretically they had the ability to sail in the absolute worst conditions or with no wind at all, for a tiny percentage of the journey. It was a dumb publicity move.
>these boats were supposed to be "the most advanced of their time"
For the same reason 'the most advanced' whatevers of our time all have touchscreens and wi-fi capability and everything's on the cloud. It's cheap and it impresses dumb people. As an anon already pointed out, it was an engine they just ripped out of a decommissioned train, just to say that they were super highly advanced ships with steam capabilities
like others have said, partly for show, but I think in smooth sailing or light ice they may have helped but they got way too iced in for them to do anything. even modern day freighters in the great lakes and the arctic require help from specialized ice breakers from time to time.
also it got to the point extremely quickly where continuing to use coal on the engine was futile and better to ration it slowly for heat to keep them warm/alive in the hope that the ice melts naturally in the spring
very informative responses. Thank you. I feel the supernatural element of this series is somewhat rude to the real people involved in this event. How accurate is it to life? chalking up all these mens deaths to "ghost ice bear" seems very disengenuous
I don't think its disrespectful. The best part of the story is how these men deal with desperation and death not the ghost bear. And in seeing it the crew's of the Terror and the Erabus are remembered whereas to most people their tragic story is forgotten history.
what about the massive amount of gay sex was that real
There's only a little gay sex, and yeah probably. They're proper Victorian Christians but you're still probably going to have one or two Mr. Hickeys on board.
god i hope they had some nubile twink sailors doing light work like cooking or cleaning... imagine being trapped on a boat for two years with that oomph
It was and still is.
Yeah gay sex has always been common among men who are forced to spend their entire lives around other men without women (such as in the army, navy, in prisons etc.) so yeah, having some gay sailors among the crew is almost guaranteed
There were rules explicitly about gay sex in the Royal Navy, because it was a common place for homosexuals, who always flee to societal corners where they can be surrounded by men and not have to answer questions about their sexuality directly and try to avoid being identified, and the money was good and the isolation wouldn’t have bothered them.
>who always flee to societal corners where they can be surrounded by men and not have to answer questions about their sexuality directly and try to avoid being identified
No it's the opposite, sailors became gay because they were surrounded by men their entire lives. Same thing happens in prisons. Gay people don't deliberately get send to prisons, they become gay in there because of a lack of women.
Yes but the navy was a job, not a prison, and one with good wages for a commoner, with career opportunities, and the opportunity to frick men, some gays definitely joined to get that.
are you fricking moronic? do you know what impressment is?
God just go away now, im so tired of dealing with people like you. Fine you win homosexual, just go away.
NTA, I hate you too, illiterate mongoloid
Great, frick off and die now, thanks dipshit. This is your last one I’m giving for free.
no pls come back... i love you..
lmao but really it's one of the creepiest things about the entire mystery to me. The inuit kept a fairly accurate record of what they observed of the sailors but they maintained 'one of these dudes turned into a weird bucktoothed creature before he froze to death'.
That, and the fact that Crozier and one of the Doctors may have made it as much as 400 miles inland based on the remains of a complex wooden box placed in a cairn.
I really dont understand why they didnt go to the eskimos for food. Im sure theres a reason, but if Im starving to death on a boat and I see some fat Inuits staring at me, Im either asking for help or stealing all their shit
People don’t become gay because there’s a lack of women, it because they’re sexually abused as children
You now remember Churchill's comment about Royal Navy traditions.
Sodomy was considered a punishable offence but there were 100% dudes fricking each other on naval vessels throughout history and still are.
Because they didn't follow their selected course and Franklin didn't leave messages at Cairns placed throughout the region. The location the boats were discovered is not consistent with where they were told to go.
The ice was 10 feet thick minimum even today we do not possess vessels that can just force their way through pack ice like this. The engines were meant to go through pancake ice which is sub-arctic.
There are many phenomenons attached to this expedition that have yet to be explicable. Inuit told stories of a guy who looked like a literal human rat hybrid on one of the ships.
The cannibalism happened but the show did not entertain the horror of that at all. They would be drinking blood, sucking marrow out of bone, and smashing in the soft palate of skulls to eat brains. We know they were eating each other based on forensic evidence based on cuts and scrapes on remains. They exhumed corpses to identify whether the lead poisoning or zinc deficiency did them in. Zinc deficiency is horrifying, read up on it. These men suffered beyond modern understanding of suffering.
The entire narrative is an expansion of Edwin Lanseer's painting (pic related).
>Inuit told stories of a guy who looked like a literal human rat hybrid on one of the ships.
That's not mysterious, we know the ships were crewed by anglos
>Inuit told stories of a guy who looked like a literal human rat hybrid on one of the ships
I mean its pretty obvious there were irish crewmen, how is this of note?
Too late A*glo, this
fine Celtic scholar got here before you, as has always been the case
One of the crew probably wore the carcass of the ship dog on his head, both because of stir-craziness and for warmth.
>Inuit told stories of a guy who looked like a literal human rat hybrid on one of the ships.
Chinese and Japanese people used to say similar shit about Europeans when they first encountered them, pic related is a depiction of them. It was pretty common because there were a lot of weird features about Europeans they didn't understand like the ability to grow massive beards.
haha chinks are so stupid
The Erebus wreckage was not found until 2014 and Terror in 2016. We really don't know all that much about what went down with the expedition after they got iced in. We know the lead poisoning was real. We really only have a few frantically written notes to go by.
meant to reply to
>I feel the supernatural element of this series is somewhat rude to the real people involved in this event. How accurate is it to life?
Are you asking how accurate the supernatural bear was? lmao
Of course it's not real. It's probably added because of the mystery surrounding the whole expedition, and the weird note that was left at a cairn which has a bunch of mistakes in it (probably because of delirium induced by the whole expedition). There was also other stuff like I think some of the bodies were found mutilated, probably by inuits.
I assume that's why they had Hickey not really be Hickey but also we don't know how the majority of the crew died and probably won't so frick it atleast make a good story.
Besides once you start limiting what people are allowed to write about, atleast in good faith, you are going down a bad road.
I assume the 'supernatural' stuff is because they're all losing their minds from lead poisoning.
They weren't mutilated by Inuit(although the Inuit did know they were there and just left them to their fate not giving a frick), they resorted to cannibalism as they tried to march to anywhere other than there. The accusation of the Inuit mutilating them was because the Inuit said that the men were eating the dead which scandalized the British. The men of the Franklin expedition were upper class, wealthy and educated so therefore they totally wouldn't be reduced to cannibalism they'd just stiff upper lip it home, according to 19th century British logic. Then when they found some of the bodies were in fact butchered, they started crying "IT WAS THE ESKIMOS WHAT DONE IT"
>trusting the ice israelite
Yeah true, most mutilation would have been cannibalism by the crew members themselves. But the inuits might have "mutilated" some bodies, maybe as some kind of burial right, there was actually a body found in pic related condition, although I suppose that could have been done by the guy himself in a fit of madness.
The inuits did scavenge some of their stuff as well, which meant chipping away things from their frozen bodies.
Iirc some parts were taken directly from the eskimo testimony.
Basically they asked the eskimos what happened and they mentioned seeing a man partially eaten, another man frozen with gold israeliteellery all over his face etc. They also mentioned that they tried to explore one of the ships but were chased out by some of the sailors who were sitting around a stove - which would suggest some of them doubled back when things got bad
They were ignored but more recently some of the graves and one of the wrecks were discovered and it backed up some of the stories
it's pretty amazing they were able to narrow down the location of the shipwrecks based on inuit stories. After the ice had frozen some inuits had remembered seeing masts sticking out of the water.
> it's pretty amazing they were able to narrow down the location of the shipwrecks based on inuit stories.
Except they weren’t
They knew where the Terror was for years as well, and even tried to report it to Canadian authorities, reporting a stack jutting out of the ice for several years. Canadian government just continued to insist they would search elsewhere. When some people decided to just wing it and check where the reports were coming from they found the Terror in Terror Bay in like 4 hours.
>they found the Terror in Terror Bay
Lame twist
Noncesense
they were fricked before you factor in the ghost bear
>then why were they there?
Doldrums. If there's no wind your tiny engine is enough to get you somewhere where you can get wind for the sails again. That's in open water though, even today most modern ships would be powerless to break through pack ice. Ice Breakers can do it because their hull is shaped in such a way that the ship slides up on top of the ice then crashes through it with the weight of the ship.
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That show?
Why was the passage required? Getting from england to america is very easy. its not like the atlantic has icebergs or freezes?
Sailing AROUND America was the issue
panama canal, idiot
Okay now North America, gaytron 9000
>1845
>panama canal
another quatlity post by Cinemaphile
Panama canal was finished in 1914. It was probably underway in 1845. Breaking through a semi finished canal is far easier than going through the south pole
>Panama canal was finished in 1914. I
not much use in 1845 then was it
Read the whole post ESL
I did read it and came to the conclusion that it is comple nonsense
Dont be angry and stupid
>It was probably underway in 1845.
yeah well it wasn't so..
>panama canal
It's worth mentioning that the Northwest Passage is much shorter from England to China than going through the Panama canal. So even if the Panama canal did exist at the time, which it didn't, finding the passage was still a very worthy goal.
It was just for prestige because Pax Britannica meant that the Navy had no other way to distinguish itself. And they couldn't do that. They were beaten by the Norwegians. The Brits had the coolest exploration stories but they achieved maybe less than half of what they wanted to do.
>why didn't they just reverse out?
Jared Harris trying to convince Ciarán Hinds to give the order to do just that before the pack ice traps them is the main plot point of several episodes.
Then the pack ice traps them.
The Ice was 10 feet thick and slowly crushing/raising the boats.
By the end of the book Erebus is so buckled and broken that the thing from the ice just boards it and starts rampaging through the lower decks. Erebus's screw is also damaged beyond repair outside of a Naval shipyard and Terrors could only be maintained back to working order if it was free from the ice.
They are totally fricked as early as the scene where Collins dives behind Erebus to check the screw.
"oh no were trapped in walkable land"
they shouldve just walked home.
oh shit im on eppy 3 and i wasnt expecting THAT to happen so early on. I cant believe this actually happened wtf??
is this show worth a watch? i heard there was gay shit in it
It's massively overrated by Cinemaphile IMO.
you're massively moronic
I agree, it's alright but I don't know why it's treated like high kino on here
Filter's jammed
Yes, but even so it's still one of the best miniseries to come out in the past decade.
Yes it’s kino. Yes there is an accurate depiction of a homosexual
But what of good solonius?
I've only seen one episode of this show but I always laugh at these posts.
May the gods piss on Good Solonius.
What of Bad Solonius?
🙂
Honestly - what were they doing naming a boat "The terror"? thats begging for some cosmic irony. A boat called the terror having a terrifying ending? come on
I'm sure this is bait but it was initially a warship.
You think what happened to The Terror was bad? You don't even want to know what happened to the HMS Lollipop.
They were warahips and the terror was one of the ships fighting the Americans on the fourth of July when America was born
The HMS Terror was originally a warship, so it's understandable that it had an intimidating name.
Should have named it SS Never Stuck Scurvy Proof
how do you keep your clothes clean for 2 years? these coats and costumes look fantastic, but hows tha ttaken care of on a ship?
you get the cabin boy to lick it up until it's clean
You don't. The ships would have stunk to high hell. Wasting coal on hot water (or melted water of any kind) would not have been on option. The sailors wore heavy wool which made them sweat in the cozier depths of the ship, this weat froze as soon as they left the warm areas. Stagnant, rotting sweat, blood and snot purifying constantly. They also would have been smoking fecal matter in their pipes when the tobacco ran out.
being a sailor sounds kino bros
>They also would have been smoking fecal matter in their pipes when the tobacco ran out.
who the frick smokes poop
I refuse to believe the Franklin expedition was jenking
>you’ll smoke your poos again. You’ll smoke worse…
theres no way theres just indians wandering around the north pole. What do they eat? where do they live? this reeks of bullshit. If they indians can live there, why cant the sailors?
they eat fish and seal
they live in igloos and small villages
the sailors did not want to live like savages let alone among savages, crozier is one of the only men among the crew to not hold his pride above the most practical form of survival
they capture this pretty effectively with the presentation of the inuit sleds and tools
inuit used bone knives (or very very small, razor thin stone tools) and everything on their sleds could be manipulated to serve multiple purposes. They could freeze fish together and form it into runners in place of wooden beams. Inuit have dwelled in the arctic for a longer time than most other native peoples.
compare to the british navy planning manhauling. manhauling was torturous, pointless, nightmarish work. 7 dudes dragging 1500 pounds of boat+supplies+sick men, not to mention the weight of the sled and rigging. it was insane.
they just cut about on the north pole? they dont frick off to canada or iceland or greenland? just chilling on the north pole 247365? Why? and why didnt the english just ask for help?
They do live in Canada. Everywhere in this film is part of Canada. They have their own territory up there, it's called Nunavut.
>and why didnt the english just ask for help?
They did and the inuit left them there. People make excuses for this now because brown people good white people bad, but they really did just leave all those obviously doomed and imperiled men to their death because they didn't want to feed them.
>completely empty from horizon to horizon
>called nunavut
stop yanking my chain you leaf
>they really did just leave all those obviously doomed and imperiled men to their death because they didn't want to feed them.
so from todays perspective that sounds like karmic justice for all the shit the brits did to natives, but would those eskimos have met white people yet?
Dunno. But I imagine they live harsh, difficult lives up there, and their apparent callousness is simple logic. Their lives are already balancing on a knife's edge of starvation, taking in a shipload's worth of strangers is a surefire way to tip those scales the wrong way.
>not being the bigger man and showing how good and kind you are, securing your noble reputation with the most powerful empire on earth
And the eskimos wonder why they're dying out
>being the bigger man and showing how good and kind you are
because that worked out so well for squanto and the gang right?
>puritan fricking shits
Victorians were a whole other deal
>get involved in the white man's politics without understanding them
>back the wrong side in a war
lmao they played themselves
>because that worked out so well for squanto and the gang right?
90% of the indigenous people were wiped out by diseases. This happened to most groups before they even saw a White man. When the White settlers were moving into the Americas in the 17th and 18th centuries they were practically entering a Mad Max post-apocalyptic world.
>puritan mad max in stone age wasteland far across the ocean
Kino concept
Baste
the sentiment still applies that the eskimos had it right by staying the frick away from them
>but would those eskimos have met white people yet?
Yeah they'd had some contact with fur trappers and the like, but the idea that they'd been victimized by whites in any way is a stretch. In the few encounters they had with trappers and traders that went that far north they were mostly trading meat and food for supplies.
A lot of natives are xenophobic and don't like outsiders. Its bullshit historical revisionism to think all the natives were peaceful open minded hippies who got victimized by whitey.
I'd love to learn more about how different tribes treated europeans. you've got the new england people who saved the puritans asses vs the standoffish eskimos, not to mention the ones who outright killed settlers. Im sure theres a lot of different stories there
Eskimo didn’t ever have anything to be able resist settlers. They didn’t have warriors or anything like that they didn’t even have food half the time. They willfully would even trade their women and let whites frick them in exchange for extra shit like metal or tools, they were kind of like fremen from dune in the survivalism aspect where they’d preserve anything they could and would accept any resources they could find, they even made their sledges out of frozen meat and fish because they literally didn’t have enough wood.
>I'd love to learn more about how different tribes treated europeans.
We grossly over simplify native peoples. Each tribe was its own culture, its own city state, nation or empire. Some of them like the Iroquois confederacy were quite peaceful and advanced, some of them like the Aztecs were slave empires waging war on everyone around them and practicing human sacrifice.
The attitude of generalizing all the natives as helpless peaceful victims and all the whites as oppressors is a stupid and frankly racist interpretation of history. For centuries European historians characterized everything European as good and everything native as savage. Now the modern intelligentsia have reflexively corrected the opposite direction characterizing everything native as peaceful and virtuous and everything European as oppressive. Both interpretations are equally full of shit.
>Some of them like the Iroquois confederacy were quite peaceful
I mean compared to the Aztecs yeah. The Iroquois fought wars with the English but they were in the process of losing all their territory to the English, so I can't really say that I blame them. They were being conquered and they fought back as anyone would.
>For centuries European historians characterized everything European as good and everything native as savage.
That's not really true. Plenty of historical accounts state aspects of the indigenous that they found virtuous or positive.
John Muir loved natives. Eskimo in particular had it a little better than the other natives, by the time we had common contact things had cooled down from the attitudes of earlier times, most just treated them like they were kind of moronic by comparison to whites and a little more expendable.
> so from todays perspective that sounds like karmic justice for all the shit the brits did to natives
Cringe
>but they really did just leave all those obviously doomed and imperiled men to their death because they didn't want to feed them.
It was a struggle to feed your family already, let alone dozens of new people. Other indigenous groups far to the south helped random people in need in the winter, plenty of times. It wasn't unusual for the early colony attempts to be aided by natives during the winter, despite the fact the indigenous were often close to starvation themselves. But in the far north the situation would be even more dire.
>but they really did just leave all those obviously doomed and imperiled men to their death because they didn't want to feed them.
there were over a hundred men on that expedition, do you really think they could've fed them?
The Inuit did not leave them they confirmed they traded with them. For what they could. The Inuit were scavengers, they would’ve traded whatever meat and equipment they had for knives and other equipment and John Rae found such items on some Inuit that claimed to have encountered the Franklin men, including items he verified coming from it. The Inuit did watch them die slowly, they also brought Charles Francis Hall to the body of Goodsir, then thought to be Des Voux, lying out in the open and frozen, becoming the first actual significant evidence of what happened to them.
But the Inuit could not have fed 100+ men and were scared of what a bunch of white racist men with guns would do when the food started getting low. They were right to be afraid and leave them to die. And for all we know they didn’t leave them all, maybe the reason we can’t find them all still is because when it was down to just a few of them the Inuit did take some in.
Ice israelite posters are ITT and this is one of them
wait why are inuits ice israelites? Do white people see them as ice israelites or do other indians?
I'm just calling them that because of their churlish ways and that anon is a giant shitlord
maybe it was you who are the shitlord anon, ever thought of that?
They were kind of israeli. They’d steal from ships when visiting, John Ross was big on meeting them and trading and he’d let them tour the ship and he’d notice shit was missing he didn’t give them every time. He even flogged a few for it.
>Indians
>jews
Yeah well they’re in a heeb of trouble
IIDF shill
eskimos have been there for thousands of years probably, their entire culture is based around surviving in a frozen wasteland.
That's a huge advantage over some anglo wagies who were already going mad from lead poisoning
Too many to feed and not knowing how to survive. Mainly it was actually their clothes. And seal fishing is difficult and the Inuit starved to death very regularly, it was quite common to come across villages full of dead people. They also adopted sled dogs very quickly and that helped a lot. In Siberia, the natives there used reindeer for the same purpose.
I started this show recently -- I feel like the diver scene in eppy 1 is going to be the most kino in the show. Am i correct?
you're not correct but it is top 3
No, the most kino scene is Are we brothers, Francis?
What is with all these Terror threads as soon as I finish watching my season one? Where they always here and I just never noticed because I didn’t know about the show?
I made this thread just for you, anon. It's my job to keep you happy and entertained.
There’s a thread about it pretty much daily it’s a great fricking show a great fricking book and a great fricking rl story
The book is so-so, I appreciate the autistic attention to detail it has but it's missing the heart and thematic delivery that the show hit so well. Only thing I'd take from the book over the show is the portrayal of Tuunbaq.
And platypuses sex. Don't forget the platypuses sex.
the show definitely achieved a greater sense of camaraderie than the novel, but holy shit did they miss some scare-kino with tuunbaaq.
here are some important missing details about the thing on the ice:
>it is usually shambling along on 2 legs, 14 feet high
>long slender neck like a swan
> one of crozier's underlings ventures through the inuit woman's hideaway and finds her being played by the tuunbaaq like an instrument, its snout proportioned just right to cover a human jaw, the scene scares the shit out of the guy who sees it and also gives him a huge boner
>it intentionally subjects the sailors to extremely painful/grotesque deaths beyond mauling and decapitation
>it never stops following them in the book, whereas in the show it dogs off after they hit it with a cannon, they can see it at all hours of the day through telescope just popping up on hind legs to observe them
there's more but I forget it all. goddamn it's a hell of a monster
tbf it sounds like something that would look ridiculous in CGI. Already the one in the show looks terrible.
it's definitely a less is more situation. I think the show monster was relatively underwhelming but still distinct and scary in its own way. I would present the first glimpse of the monster (Lieutenant Gore's death) differently; whereas in the book it seems to appear/phase out of the ice and bear-hug Gore to death, crushing his ribcage, present it largely through audio. the first report of gore's death is presented by an exhausted sailor who passes out as soon as he delivers the tale, so pass it off as gore got attacked by a regular bear. tell the story again later with more detail.
There are a few scenes where the tuunbaaq shows up and sailors just see two little black dots and a nose and think 'huh who left those rocks like that?' and then it teleports behind them and eats their ass
I think keeping the same concept from the book but just reducing it to a normal polar bear that reveals itself as something more later on would've been better. the man-faced bear just doesn't work for me.
but that didnt happen so why include it
Honestly, I prefer the show's approach where the tuunbaaq is vaguely supernatural and beyond their understanding but could also just be a mutant polar bear depending on your interpretation.
The meat of the show is in the human drama of the men dealing with the conditions not the monster. Giving the tunbaaq more focus and making it explicitly supernatural would have detracted from the more grounded drama of the men dealing with hunger, lead poisoning, and the cold.
The show would've been better without the polar bear overall
>a great fricking rl story
any recommendations on how to get the real thing? Like a documentary or other book to read?
Michael Palin did a book on it
I listened to the audiobook. It's pretty good. It's like a biography of the ships.
We're all connected fren
the terror is a gripping phenomenon and if people catch the bug it's gonna get discussed in some form, somewhere. The show is also one of the better things this board got the scent of.
highly encourage any literate anons to read the novel by Dan Simmons.
Or at the very least read the last two Hickey chapters.
The audiobook is great, too. The guy that does the voices knocks it out of the fricking park
It's always been a Cinemaphile approved show, there was a very popular general when it was airing
As with all generals it was full of reddit homosexualry.
i'm behind you RIGHT NOW
Someone said Kino?
That set looks great. I missed in when they travelled across shale-land in the last episodes.
Bros how can I freeze myself and get scurvy and have a crisis of realized mortality and helplessness like the characters in The Terror did
Only I still live
Go for the Shackleton experience.
Or Belgica. Antarctica had the best stories. They could be dramatic but it also had amazing stories of survival and not a single reported case of cannibalism.
Which reminds me that Belgica gives us a possible explanation why the officers were more affected on Franklin Expedition. The canned food was garbage, everything tasted the same and it made people so disgusted it contributed to their mental illness. The only thing that could prevent them from scurvy was eating fresh, raw meat. The officers might've been too proud for that and were like "you want me to disrespect the Royal Navy by eating raw meat like a savage instead of official, imperial rations?". This pretty much happened to De Gerlache on Belgica except he was afraid of what the press will say if they find out they disregarded canned food that the public helped to fund. Also at that time people forgot how to prevent scurvy so they drank lime juice that had no vitamine C.
go hike up a mountain and get yourself lost intentionally without anything on you but your clothes
guy on the left will forever look like your worst secondary school teacher ever. he probably taught history, and had no sense of humour.
they couldve if franklin listened to crozier but he was a dumb bible thumper and forced them beyond the point of no return
Franklin was just desperate. He'd had a whole career of failed expeditions, in fact he'd led one where half the men died, cannibalism is suspected, and they ate lichen and their own leather items. Franklin was known as 'the man who ate his own boots' behind his back. This was his 3rd attempt to find the northwest passage.
i think i woudlve cried and broken down and probably died like second or third. its all too much.
the lashing scene is how i feel after eating a big chalupa at taco bell haha!
have you tried cooking for yourself
no im stranded in the south pole in a pirate ship you fricking idiot
catch fish and cook it over coal fire then
Why didn't Crozier get sick?
Mighty Irish genes
Alcoholism
He probably wasn’t eating as much of the tinned shit as the crew. No lead in his daily diet of whisky.
Can someone comfirm/deny the "ghost/beast" or whatever the frick was hunting them, its reveal completely destroys the show as a whole? I've heard it's a complete joke.
it doesnt ruin the show. Its not great but its fine, like any horror show its much less scary once the threat is revealed. Like other anons said, its not a show about the monsters, its a show about men who have doomed themselves to die and how they react
Watch the show for yourself, but now your perception has been poisoned
The rest of the show is so fricking good you hardly even notice the bear
this is a pic of a twink that died on an earlier expedition then buried out on the plains. you think he was bummed while stoking coal in the engineroom? why didnt they eat him?
Beechey Island was way before they got into deep shit.
This might sound macabre but I wonder what the body looks like naked, I've never seen such a well-preserved body, the hands aren't even blackened and the eyes still have distinction between the whites and the iris.
Yeah, I bet you do.
You'd make a great sailor.
Would you wanna eat something you came in?
shame on the research people who disturbed a final resting place
The engines sucked and burned a frickton of coal iirc. It was discussed and then dismissed, if not in the show in the book.
they had a screaming 30 horsepower and running them would eat the entire coal supply in less than 2 weeks
>sucked and burned a frickton of coal iirc
You sure you're not thinking of your mom?
They didn’t wanna get it in the wheel
Has there ever been a map made of where Crozier and the bois are thought to have gone after abandoning the ships?
Nobody really knows. They were apparently trying to reach Back's Fish River, with the plan of following it South to reach an outpost. So they would have been travelling roughly SW across King William Island. Their corpses are probably spread across the island and the northcoast, some would have died on the ice. But really who knows?
The strange this is that Franklin died a couple of weeks after the original note was left. I've always wondered what killed him, and the other sailors while they were wintering, and why they didn't leave more details/notes in the cairn.
They reached mainland Canada but probably were forced to go back. We know a lot about what happened to them but at some point we're just forced to guess. If they sailed the ships south to their current locations then how did they sink? Apparently it was pretty sudden so I suspect pack ice but were there any survivors at that point? When did Crozier and Fitzjames die and who was the last man standing?
do we know for a fact that some crew members returned to the ships and sailed further on? or is that just speculation
Because we know where they left them and where their wrecks are so someone probably had to sail them to avoid all those little islands and rocks.
>They reached mainland Canada but probably were forced to go back
Only a few of them did, and they probably died there.
The ships were found further south from where they had apparently been left based on the note left in the cairn. What probably happened is that the ice melted and the ships floated downwards. They probably split the crew, with the expectation that rescue ships would link up with the Terror and Erebus when the ice melted. But that didn't happen, they were iced in for too long, and ended up eating each other.
Gentlemen, I bring you kino.
I've read the book and watched the show, but can anyone recommend any good nonfiction books about the expedition? Specifically addressing all of the various theories as to what happened (sailors returning to the ships and sailing south, lead poisoning not being the killer like in the show, etc)
Frozen in Time maybe? I have this one and also Lost and Found. To be honest Franklin's expedition was never my favorite one because we know relatively little. History of polar exploration is one of the most fascinating subjects so I buy pretty much anything I can find about it.
Ice Ghosts is pretty good, can’t remember the author. goes into more detail on Franklin’s life before his last expedition
If you want to learn about the epic voyage of the USS Jeannette in the Arctic there's a book called In the Kingdom of Ice. It's quite good.
I got that one really cheap before the price went up like a hundred times. At that time I wasn't familiar with the story so it was great to read it and for once not know what's going to happen. CUrrently I'm reading the one about Belgica Expedition and it's really well-written.
Playing Dread Hunger with chinks after watching this made me realize the West is doomed. They are all about that ruthless efficiency.
>No coal first day? Dead.
>No stew first day as cook? Dead.
>No planks and nails? Dead.
>No syringe and antidote first day as doctor? Dead.
What do you mean? they kill you? is there any benefit to that? i don't play the game.
In western lobbies there is banter and LARPing. People are more lighthearted and try out creative/funny thrall plays and crew members don't execute suspects on the spot over flimsiest evidence. Asian/Chinese lobbies are all about rigid adherence to player roles (cooks cook meals for the crew, doctors make healing syringes/poison antidotes, engineers gather coal, hunter hunt/kill animal predators etc.) If you fail to adhere to these roles and be useful to your team, it is enough to suspect you of being a thrall and execute you. You can't plead your case (mainly because no one speaks English, but also because you are guilty until proved otherwise).
It is interesting how different cultures/civilizational values are reflected in people playing the game (individualism vs. collectivism; human rights vs. public benefit).
I See, thanks. I guess they also see the result as the fun part rather than the process, they just want to see the victory screen and work towards that instead of just having fun playing the game. Unless they're all miserable bastards who don't enjoy anything.
human work output is an extraordinary resource. Killing people off when you don't have to can have negative effects later.
see Stalins Soviet Union
What show is this, why are Ceasar and Brutus dressed like Charles Darwin?
How do you think you would react if you were on this expedition? The knowledge that the march south is suicidal, that you're going to die on this rocky island in the middle of nowhere, but slowly and painfully, after the misery of pulling the sledges south for months on end? Can anyone say that they'd truly accept their fate?
I would’ve left the others and attempted to trade my way into an Inuit group. I’d give them guns and shit and find some way to ask if we could frick off before the others find out. Barring that I’d suicide.
To be honest I'm surprised none of them survived. We know they reached the mainland but I guess they were took weak to reach any place where they could find shelter or help. The survivors went back to the ships, sailed them south (I guess they were unable to turn them back?) and then I don't know what happened next except that the ships sunk and they all died.
Most people, even the suicidal ones, don't want to die. So there's your answer about accepting fate. It's in a man's nature to rebel against fate as hard as he can when the fate is death.
But personally just like
said I'd have tried to be with the Inuits. Hell, to this day I still want to spend some time with the Inuits
I know that I would've been one of the ones to stay on the ship. As someone who has done intense manual labor while also carrying shit (Army), I would've preferred to have lived out the rest of my days in relative peace. Furthermore, the Tuunbaq was way too fricking big to make it onto the ship, I would've rathered died from malnutrition than getting eaten by that fricking thing.
what was the point of this scene?
is this show worth watching or is it pozzed?
It doesn't have a single black person in it, and there's only three women if that's what you mean
100% worth watching. There aren't any nigs unless you count the irish and the one deviant in the show ends up being a ginger homosexual villain
Why dont they just pour some oil to the ice and melt it with fire? Where humans really that stupid back then?
Why didn't they just fly over there with a plane?
I was joking morons
Oil was used during storms at that time. They poured it around the ship an I guess it was supposed to make the water around more stable or something. But ships that were trapped in pack ice could only be saved with explosives.
Ah, for just one time
I would take the Northwest Passage
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea
you WILL eat the canned rations
>Alright men, looks like we're stuck. Let's just but the gear into reverse and back out.
Shh, Mr Goodsir is dead tired
SLAUGHTERING SEALS
DRINKING GROG
FRICKING YOUNG LADS ARSES
WHAT A LIFE
WHAT A NIGHT
>/pol/: the character
don't even remember who the frick that is
why did he do it?
why didn't they just eat the Eskimos?
You have to choose between the Meteor and the Classic
Frick wrong board
> hides a feast when everyone is starving
> gets absolved of his sins because hickey is "worse"
what a fricking butthole. at least hickey made sure nobody was hungry.
I just watched this series a few days ago, it was incredible. Goodsir's death truly wrecked me, his last thoughts were one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
Does anyone have any links/pictures of cross-sections or diagrams of the Terror or Erebus? I've found a couple, but they're all half-finished. It doesn't even have to be the Terror/Erebus, I just want to see what ships looked like on the interior back then.
There are a few basic documents.
The reverse gear had not been invented yet.