The Force Unleashed level of force powers not being canon is what ruined star wars.
It's so weird to me how so many fans seem to be frightened at the idea of Force Powers being crazy strong. You got guys that to this day consider the prequels an anime for having Jedi move slightly fast and Yoda being able to jump around and move huge objects. Escalation isn't a bad thing if it's entertaining.
The thing is that contradict the whole setting up to the movies themselves. >apex of Force in the movies >Palpatine does some wizard lighting show >Force Unleashed >an apprentice can steer the descent of a star destroyer and throw more lighting than the Emperor himself who is supposed to be the top wizard guy of the setting
yeah but the force unleashed was always a gimmick DBZ video game but when the universe changes to make the gimmicky dbz esque power creep canon and now everyone could literally do anything with the force it destroys the consistency and narrative structure of the films
exactly once you have DBZ force users who can literally rip and pull star ships around how come they never use that level of power in situations like in the films or tv shows where such uber power would a valid use in a lot of the crisis' in the films
This is exactly what my problem is with the evolution of force abilities
If they just nebulously made the movie feats the limit then there would be no problem but when you make some force users walking WMD's it means that a lot of the situations are just straight up comical
It was the start of the end >secret Mary Sue apprentice that could moop the floor with Vader and face the Emperor head on >Emperor and Vader created the rebellion via Starkiller >rebel leaders on Death Star when it was supposed to be a secret weapon >Alliance crest was Starkiller family crest just because >a dark jedi/sith minion that was Starkiller managed to control the descent of a fricking SD when Yoda himself have to put some effort to lift a mere X-Wing from a bog
And not even start with the 3D Clone Wars cartoon that threw all consistency by the windows (Anakin never had an apprentice, it contradict the movies themselves for a start)
Force Unleashed's story was a perfect interpretation of the same stuff Lucas was originally looking at to make Star Wars.
The force powers were stupid and don't work outside it being a self contained story.
The sequel shit the bed in every department from writing to art to animation (lol let's reuse 1's run cycle made for one lightsabre).
This episode didn't understand the concept of light and dark in SW. Basically Sith and the Dark Side as a whole are corruption and are essentially spiritual pollution. Not something that has to be equalized with the Light.
That's why destroying all Sith brings balance to the Force.
That's why the balance is restored at the end of the OT.
>This episode didn't understand
I feel like their first mistake was trying to make it more than good guys versus bad guys.
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It's so weird to me how so many fans seem to be frightened at the idea of Force Powers being crazy strong. You got guys that to this day consider the prequels an anime for having Jedi move slightly fast and Yoda being able to jump around and move huge objects. Escalation isn't a bad thing if it's entertaining.
>frightened of crazy strong
It just becomes meaningless gibberish when you start doing Dragonball. Wizards aren't gods. Han Solo, Leia and Chewy aren't the comedy relief for Luke's brodyquest adventure through the death star. >Yoda hopping about madly is entertaining
Yeah, sure buddy.
The Mortis arc did imply that light and dark side of the force should be balanced which contracts Lucas's interview where he said that the dark side is a cancer.
This episode didn't understand the concept of light and dark in SW. Basically Sith and the Dark Side as a whole are corruption and are essentially spiritual pollution. Not something that has to be equalized with the Light.
That's why destroying all Sith brings balance to the Force.
That's why the balance is restored at the end of the OT.
Lucas changed his mind all the time. He was involved with Mortis, so he must've thought it was alright.
This episode didn't understand the concept of light and dark in SW. Basically Sith and the Dark Side as a whole are corruption and are essentially spiritual pollution. Not something that has to be equalized with the Light.
That's why destroying all Sith brings balance to the Force.
That's why the balance is restored at the end of the OT.
Apparently adding wannabe force gods into the story without any fricking context is a bad idea. My headcanon still goes for the story that both Anakin, Kenobi and Ashoka were gotten high and went into a bad trip thanks to some gas leakage in their ship.
That was a terrible perspective and with Lucas's involvement in the Mortis arc, he seems to have changed his mind and considered the light and dark side of the force to be two sides of the same coin and should be balanced. Which makes sense because the force is life and so dark side things like anger is just natural and should not be seen as corruption.
I like the idea of the Dark Side being spiritual pollution, but wouldn't it inevitably always be around, even if you killed all the Sith? There will always be Force Sensitives who lose their way, it's natural.
Granted, eradicating the Sith will at least mean the next ones have to start from scratch instead of having millennia of knowledge and rituals and shit to draw on.
While it is destined to start over due to cyclical nature of life and war in the Galaxy getting rid of the Sith allows the the force to be in harmony and the Jedi to be at the peak of their power and clarity and as you mentioned the next to fall to the Dark Side wouldn't have access to vast Sith knowledge and materials.
Did it really? The episode has largely been ignored and forgotten, even in Filoni's own work.
It seems nobody really knows what to make of it or how to follow up on it. Like, yeah, there are Force gods. So what? They don't DO anything and then they die. It's implied they're not even THAT powerful by Jedi/Sith standards.
They're not force gods, but some forgotten race who has a strong connection with the force. It was the execution which turned the episode into a huge acid trip.
I just wish people understood that there is no Light Side of the Force. The Force is naturally light, and the Dark is a corruption. This idea that half the universe is meant to be evil and horrific is why we need prayer in schools.
I wish Lucas has the balls to finally reveal that there's no such thing as force and all that jedi shit is just some genetic mutation which allows them to telekinetically control objects.
I wouldn't even be opposed to that. May the Force less like some divine force and more like a mutation with a heavy religious subtext. I think he was heading in that direction with Midichlorians but the backlash made him course correct.
I think there were theories about tho yor arrival was just a plan for celestials to use force users for some project, but it was eventually had to be stopped as celestials fricked it up at some point and they had to leave them in tython.
early star wars history always gives me the chills as everything before that point is a complete mystery.
Its a riff on forbidden planet with the force replacing alien technology and the dark side, light side and middle replacing the Id, Ego and Super Ego. Its no more egregious then clone wars having the hitchwiener episodes or the godzilla episodes.
Prequelshit era side material ruined the force with their ying yang shit that tried to justify dark side of the force existing when it was always harmful before then.
Luke, Kylo, and Rey could’ve been used as stand ins for the Father, Son, and Daughter in a callback to the prophecy tying together all the lore. But JJ is a moron.
Star Wars was ruined in 1999.
Correct.
Incorrect
I'd argue that Gary Kurtz leaving before RotJ really ruined it, but 1999 is acceptable also.
>Actually only ESB is good
Frick off with this hipster take already
>ruined Star Wars
a polished turn with a scuff on it is still a polished turd
How do you polish a turn?
start with watching the episode of mythbusters about how to polish a turd
I remember one of them got pissy that the other used furniture polish
Reddit meme
>Negates Force cholesterol
How is that ruining?
If Eric July was in charge of Star Wars he wouldn't fill it with Woke nonsense
It was one of those few moments where Lucas' 70's Californian new age hippie zen crap managed to shine out.
The Force Unleashed level of force powers not being canon is what ruined star wars.
This. So sick of homosexuals like OP being a neurotic autist every time SW does something cool.
It's so weird to me how so many fans seem to be frightened at the idea of Force Powers being crazy strong. You got guys that to this day consider the prequels an anime for having Jedi move slightly fast and Yoda being able to jump around and move huge objects. Escalation isn't a bad thing if it's entertaining.
The thing is that contradict the whole setting up to the movies themselves.
>apex of Force in the movies
>Palpatine does some wizard lighting show
>Force Unleashed
>an apprentice can steer the descent of a star destroyer and throw more lighting than the Emperor himself who is supposed to be the top wizard guy of the setting
yeah but the force unleashed was always a gimmick DBZ video game but when the universe changes to make the gimmicky dbz esque power creep canon and now everyone could literally do anything with the force it destroys the consistency and narrative structure of the films
exactly once you have DBZ force users who can literally rip and pull star ships around how come they never use that level of power in situations like in the films or tv shows where such uber power would a valid use in a lot of the crisis' in the films
This is exactly what my problem is with the evolution of force abilities
If they just nebulously made the movie feats the limit then there would be no problem but when you make some force users walking WMD's it means that a lot of the situations are just straight up comical
It was the start of the end
>secret Mary Sue apprentice that could moop the floor with Vader and face the Emperor head on
>Emperor and Vader created the rebellion via Starkiller
>rebel leaders on Death Star when it was supposed to be a secret weapon
>Alliance crest was Starkiller family crest just because
>a dark jedi/sith minion that was Starkiller managed to control the descent of a fricking SD when Yoda himself have to put some effort to lift a mere X-Wing from a bog
And not even start with the 3D Clone Wars cartoon that threw all consistency by the windows (Anakin never had an apprentice, it contradict the movies themselves for a start)
>it contradict the movies themselves for a start
Par for the course. The prequels did the same to the OT.
Force Unleashed's story was a perfect interpretation of the same stuff Lucas was originally looking at to make Star Wars.
The force powers were stupid and don't work outside it being a self contained story.
The sequel shit the bed in every department from writing to art to animation (lol let's reuse 1's run cycle made for one lightsabre).
>This episode didn't understand
I feel like their first mistake was trying to make it more than good guys versus bad guys.
>frightened of crazy strong
It just becomes meaningless gibberish when you start doing Dragonball. Wizards aren't gods. Han Solo, Leia and Chewy aren't the comedy relief for Luke's brodyquest adventure through the death star.
>Yoda hopping about madly is entertaining
Yeah, sure buddy.
The Mortis arc did imply that light and dark side of the force should be balanced which contracts Lucas's interview where he said that the dark side is a cancer.
Lucas changed his mind all the time. He was involved with Mortis, so he must've thought it was alright.
>This episode has singlehandedly ruined Star Wars.
Everything has singlehandedly ruined Star Wars you dolt
Star Wars is a self ruining franchise
he's going to make it worse
can you imagine star wars getting worse
he's gonna do it
This episode didn't understand the concept of light and dark in SW. Basically Sith and the Dark Side as a whole are corruption and are essentially spiritual pollution. Not something that has to be equalized with the Light.
That's why destroying all Sith brings balance to the Force.
That's why the balance is restored at the end of the OT.
Apparently adding wannabe force gods into the story without any fricking context is a bad idea. My headcanon still goes for the story that both Anakin, Kenobi and Ashoka were gotten high and went into a bad trip thanks to some gas leakage in their ship.
That was a terrible perspective and with Lucas's involvement in the Mortis arc, he seems to have changed his mind and considered the light and dark side of the force to be two sides of the same coin and should be balanced. Which makes sense because the force is life and so dark side things like anger is just natural and should not be seen as corruption.
I like the idea of the Dark Side being spiritual pollution, but wouldn't it inevitably always be around, even if you killed all the Sith? There will always be Force Sensitives who lose their way, it's natural.
Granted, eradicating the Sith will at least mean the next ones have to start from scratch instead of having millennia of knowledge and rituals and shit to draw on.
While it is destined to start over due to cyclical nature of life and war in the Galaxy getting rid of the Sith allows the the force to be in harmony and the Jedi to be at the peak of their power and clarity and as you mentioned the next to fall to the Dark Side wouldn't have access to vast Sith knowledge and materials.
Did it really? The episode has largely been ignored and forgotten, even in Filoni's own work.
It seems nobody really knows what to make of it or how to follow up on it. Like, yeah, there are Force gods. So what? They don't DO anything and then they die. It's implied they're not even THAT powerful by Jedi/Sith standards.
They're not force gods, but some forgotten race who has a strong connection with the force. It was the execution which turned the episode into a huge acid trip.
I just wish people understood that there is no Light Side of the Force. The Force is naturally light, and the Dark is a corruption. This idea that half the universe is meant to be evil and horrific is why we need prayer in schools.
I wish Lucas has the balls to finally reveal that there's no such thing as force and all that jedi shit is just some genetic mutation which allows them to telekinetically control objects.
I wouldn't even be opposed to that. May the Force less like some divine force and more like a mutation with a heavy religious subtext. I think he was heading in that direction with Midichlorians but the backlash made him course correct.
I think there were theories about tho yor arrival was just a plan for celestials to use force users for some project, but it was eventually had to be stopped as celestials fricked it up at some point and they had to leave them in tython.
early star wars history always gives me the chills as everything before that point is a complete mystery.
Force Gods episode was at least interesting meanwhile the time travel episode ruined star wars forever
The entire TCW show ruined Star Wars.
Explain
How are you going to save ahsoka with time travel shit but leave kanaan to die
Its a riff on forbidden planet with the force replacing alien technology and the dark side, light side and middle replacing the Id, Ego and Super Ego. Its no more egregious then clone wars having the hitchwiener episodes or the godzilla episodes.
>Something not even 10% of the audience even knows exists ruined an entire multimedia juggernaut
I somewhat doubt it, OP.
Prequelshit era side material ruined the force with their ying yang shit that tried to justify dark side of the force existing when it was always harmful before then.
Phantom Menace came out in 1999
Luke, Kylo, and Rey could’ve been used as stand ins for the Father, Son, and Daughter in a callback to the prophecy tying together all the lore. But JJ is a moron.