According to Article 37(1) of the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, 'It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.'
The Nuremberg trials weren't restricted by normal court conventions. For example evidence, witnesses and victims didn't need to be presented.
Aragorn could have done anything or nothing and still be found guilty at nuremburg
So if someone comes up with a fantasy setting in which the protagonists are portrayed as genocidal maniacs who butcher women and children, it would be fine as long as this hypothetical setting doesn't mention the existence of Geneva or the Geneva Conventions? Is this really what you believe?
I believe there might be a slight difference between killing a hostile figure that is actively mocking the death of your close friend, and butchering women and children.
Yes.
Why would you observe human rules of war against an equally genocidal adversary that is ruled by the literal spawn of satan himself trying to eradicate your race from the face of the earth? Are you retarded?
Why did Viggo's voice sound so different to me in this scene? Is it because he spent so much of the movies speaking softly or whispering that now giving an epic speech sounds weird? Or did he just let his accent slip in or something?
Listen sweet innocent child. if the King does it while he is actively serving the Realm its not a crime. King decides what a war crime is or isnt. Arogorn is big boss bro not like a liberal commie puppet.
>HAHAHAH WE WILL TORTURE YOUR MIDGET FRIENDS FOR 1 BILLION YEARS BWAHAHAHAHA DARKNESS REIGNS FOREVER >ok then die gay >NOOOO HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING, WE NEED A GENEVA CONVENTION SOMEONE SAVE ME
ever since orcs were created they have been in a permanent state of war with the rest of civilization, so I don't think anybody cares what tactics are used because the entire point for both sides is to kill everyone.
How is Aragorn a character? Why do you think he is cool? He is so primitive and has no personality, I don't get the hype. Are you all gay for the actor?
>Knows a dozen languages >Outdoorsman >Very tender and gentle, especially with animals >Very generous/kind (Bought the horses from LOTR for their trainers, etc) >Humble
He's what a man should be.
He shows restraint, poise, and wisdom on multiple occasions, you're clearly a zoomer and cant identify with any character that doesn't make "whoop-whoop" noises while listening to mumble-crap.
His character arc mostly takes place when when he was much younger as a ranger falling in love with an elf, it isn't shown here. he is an old man in the story and on the verry last bit of his journey in life.
No. The Mouth of Sauron was no longer being recieved as an ambassador.
>Aragorn approaches. >Mouth asks if they have come to negotiate. >Gandalf says they will not negotiate. >Gandalf demands Mouth return to Sauron with terms of surrender.
At this point negotiations have ended.
>Mouth of Sauron doesn't leave with the message >Mouth of Sauron starts talking shit
After refusing orders to leave, the Mouth simply becomes an enemy combatant who rode ahead of the rest of the army for some reason. So Aragorn kills him. And that was that.
He didnt have to obey aragorn's orders because they were in Mordor and Aragorn acknowledged Sauron's dominion over Mordor by falling him Lord of the black land
They recognize Sauron as the enemy leader and direct their terms to him. They do not respect Sauron or worship him, the name Sauron means dread abomination (Sauron calls himself Tar Mairon). Aragorn had declared war on them so the Mouth of Sauron defying Aragorn makes him not an ambassador but a warrior. Aragorn was well aware that the power of Sauron is to seduce others and dominate their wills so he sought to prevent it by demanding the Mouth of Sauron leave his presence. The Mouth should have done it anyway if he was a messenger.
If you think about it, the Mouth referring to himself as the Mouth of Sauron is weird. "Sauron" is an ugly title, one that Sauron himself hated. It would be like a press secretary opening up a secretary with "I represent the vile garden gnomes who rule this country."
I was baffled to find out just a year or so ago that Legolas is actually "floating" on the snow when they are going through the mountain pass in Fellowship, instead of just sinking in it like all other races and jve watchrd those mkvies 20+ times.
Might be autistic, but i find such a small detail cool
he's also the first to emerge when the snow falls on them. It's a nice little attention to detail. I didn't notice until around my fourth or fifth time watching.
The scene with Frodo and Sam being depressed and attacked by Gollum at Mount Doom was one of the earliest scenes filmed, in a hastily built set, on a rainy day.
The Easterlings marching into Mordor in The Two Towers actually make a brief appearance in The Return of The King, if you squint hard enough. There are stills of them in more scenes in the trading card game.
Why the Easterlings were removed from RotK has never been explained publicly but most likely explanation was post-9/11 nervousness about depicting "Easterling" savages invading a European kingdom.
Who was the main costume designer for LOTR? I know John Howe was the lead designer but does that mean he designed the armor/outfits? The armor sets from LOTR are all so iconic and nice looking.
They are real metal. A number of armorers worked for a considerable amount of time to make the movie armor. I may be mistaken but I think even extras far from the camera had "real" armor.
I don't really buy that honestly. In two towers you had the oliphant scene and Gollum giving exposition as the Easterlings marched by ("Sauron is drawing all his allies to him")
These films respected the audience enough to hope they could grasp this. Although to be fair, they were getting dumber with each entry. The seeds of the Hobbit disaster were starting to be sown in RotK.
the part in fellowship when the leader uruk throws a knife at aragorn and he bats it away with his sword wasn't supposed to happen, the uruk actor was supposed to miss viggo but he threw it right at him by accident and viggo actually battered it away
the part in fellowship when the leader uruk throws a knife at aragorn and he bats it away with his sword wasn't supposed to happen, the uruk actor was supposed to miss viggo but he threw it right at him by accident and viggo actually battered it away
>doesnt link it
double moron
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also its not "wide as hell" its within a foot of his face at the "deflection" point
and even after it was deflected it actually went closer to his body.
Uhhh sweaty, as head of state Aragorn can order an extrajudicial beheading for those who are suspected of violent acts against the people of Gondor. Obama did 3 of them in a night.
I have to agree begrudgingly because I'm white. Attacking an ambassador is a cowardly thing to do, and is almost universally a brown trait. People with soul (aka whites) live with honor and follow rules, even in war.
>do bad thing to literally evil incarnate >only people who would literally ever care are allies of evil >kill all the bad people >only people left are people who see action as good thing >no crime has been committed
the charges officer?
Killing villagers is also a war crime, so is torture (gollum)
Plus they used WMDs to get into Rohan.
When you negotiate with terrorists you become a victim. I stand with Israel.
I can excuse the killing of a Satan worshipper that has probably been killing innocents for a couple thousand years, after betraying his people and God Himself, who is now standing before one of his cousins that didn't betray God with the full intention of genociding every orc he sees, and is also fuckimg around by rubbing his friend's torture in his face. At that point you aren't an ambassador of any kind, you have a death wish.
I have to agree begrudgingly because I'm white. Attacking an ambassador is a cowardly thing to do, and is almost universally a brown trait. People with soul (aka whites) live with honor and follow rules, even in war.
>Aragorn looks so fucking majestic and kingly that the Mouth of Sauron is intimidated and can't even look at him >unprompted by any action of Aragorn, pleads with Aragorn not to kill him because he's just a messenger >decides to negotiate with Gandalf instead >tell Gandalf that they caught two hobbits spying in Mordor and that it's a conspiracy against Sauron >presents artifacts of the hobbits to Gandalf like the mithril and Sam's sword >tells Gandalf that Gondor and all its allies must swear loyalty to Mordor and that if they don't, the hobbits will be tortured for years >The Mouth demands that the humans will sede part of their lands and will rebuild Isengard so that the Mouth can rule there >Gandalf says he's demanding too much shit for just having one hostage and that Mordor can't be taken at its word anyways >Gandalf says if wants to negotiate he needs present Frodo so that they know he's still alive >The Mouth says no and tells him those are the terms, "take them or leave them" >Gandalf has had enough of this shit and blinds the Mouth with a bright light and steals back all of the Hobbit's shit. He tells the Mouth that he's out of a job and that's going to die soon >The Mouth flees like a bitch and then signals Mordor to attack
Book version would have been better
>literal
You mean the writing? I'm pretty sure neither Aragorn nor that other dude can read or write.
>warcrime
Define it and according to whom?
According to Article 37(1) of the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, 'It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy.'
how was aragorn to know he was doing something that would be illegal thousands of years in the future?
>How was my client to know that judges at Nuremberg would retroactively decide that his actions would constitute 'crimes against humanity'?
The Nuremberg trials weren't restricted by normal court conventions. For example evidence, witnesses and victims didn't need to be presented.
Aragorn could have done anything or nothing and still be found guilty at nuremburg
Where in the Middle Earth is Geneva located?
So if someone comes up with a fantasy setting in which the protagonists are portrayed as genocidal maniacs who butcher women and children, it would be fine as long as this hypothetical setting doesn't mention the existence of Geneva or the Geneva Conventions? Is this really what you believe?
I believe there might be a slight difference between killing a hostile figure that is actively mocking the death of your close friend, and butchering women and children.
Yes.
Why would you observe human rules of war against an equally genocidal adversary that is ruled by the literal spawn of satan himself trying to eradicate your race from the face of the earth? Are you retarded?
Anon, if you genocide them you will be just like them.
Maybe I'll be like them. But not really, since I'll be alive and they'll be dead.
i hate leafs
rivendell
Warcrimes don't happen if the enemy loses
Warcrimes are based thoughever. Z.
I like your spirit, soon there will be new mobilisation fellow urus-hai, we wait you
Didn't happen, fake news
He despawned
kino shot
I miss when Jackson actually knew how to make movies
Orcs (and whatever the fuck this guy was) don't count.
he did insult them a little
nah he didn't insult him he didn't insult him.
The drinks are on the house
nah nah nah nah, he insulted them a little bit, he got a little out of order himself.
He was just busting his balls a little bit it's a party
LET THE LARD OF THE BLACK LAND COME FARTH
Why did Viggo's voice sound so different to me in this scene? Is it because he spent so much of the movies speaking softly or whispering that now giving an epic speech sounds weird? Or did he just let his accent slip in or something?
According to Viggo he gradually made his voice sound less rough and more "royal" as the movies went on to display his transition from ranger to king.
Pretty sure it was a deleted scene that was filmed much later than most other scenes, that's why he looks all fat and sounds weird
it sounds like an Irish accent, no idea why he did it only for that one scene or why it wasn't cut
well why dont you take them to war-court then retard?
he's british though, it was a mercy killing
MMYYEEEEEHHHHHH!!1!
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT
Aragorn didn't kill the guy in the books, he just pretended to attack and made him look like a pussy before he ran off.
Listen sweet innocent child. if the King does it while he is actively serving the Realm its not a crime. King decides what a war crime is or isnt. Arogorn is big boss bro not like a liberal commie puppet.
>HAHAHAH WE WILL TORTURE YOUR MIDGET FRIENDS FOR 1 BILLION YEARS BWAHAHAHAHA DARKNESS REIGNS FOREVER
>ok then die gay
>NOOOO HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING, WE NEED A GENEVA CONVENTION SOMEONE SAVE ME
There was no formal declaration of war, ergo not a war crime.
No, but this
Literally the equivalent of nuking your enemy with mustard gas
Aragorn was evil
ever since orcs were created they have been in a permanent state of war with the rest of civilization, so I don't think anybody cares what tactics are used because the entire point for both sides is to kill everyone.
According to who? The h*man """experts""?
post your hook nose
Post your pointy ears, elfoid scum
Not my problem.
How is Aragorn a character? Why do you think he is cool? He is so primitive and has no personality, I don't get the hype. Are you all gay for the actor?
you are trans btw
Your father abandoned you didn't he?
We project a lot onto him
hes so cool looking and awsome and he has an elven gf and hes the king of men hes just like me its awsom
isn't it time for your dilating?
>reee, i need globohomo and orc actors
>Are you all gay for the actor?
Yes. He was at the same time a fighter and a poet, very manly and very sensitive, a literal model for us
ive unironically looked up to him since i was a kid
Who isn't gay for Viggo tbh?
>Knows a dozen languages
>Outdoorsman
>Very tender and gentle, especially with animals
>Very generous/kind (Bought the horses from LOTR for their trainers, etc)
>Humble
He's what a man should be.
I love these pictures of viggo
OMG TOYS :O
OMG WOJAKS :O
brimstone
>oy vey, Aragorn is just a traditional white knight mythic hero oy gevalt he's not a subversion or anything!
Congrats on all the (You)s. It's really easy to rile /misc/ up, people here gobble up low-hanging bait like it's their mom's tendies
Honest question: were you literally or figuratively castrated as a child?
He shows restraint, poise, and wisdom on multiple occasions, you're clearly a zoomer and cant identify with any character that doesn't make "whoop-whoop" noises while listening to mumble-crap.
His character arc mostly takes place when when he was much younger as a ranger falling in love with an elf, it isn't shown here. he is an old man in the story and on the verry last bit of his journey in life.
“old” relatively speaking, hes 87 i believe in the story but physically hes only aged to about his 30s due to his numenor heritage.
i didn't realize that middle earth was subject to the geneva convention
Not only was he killed during parley, it was after he freely gave away billions of dollars worth of armour to his enemy
I guess Sauron just assumed theyd retrieve it after winning the battle or something
No. The Mouth of Sauron was no longer being recieved as an ambassador.
>Aragorn approaches.
>Mouth asks if they have come to negotiate.
>Gandalf says they will not negotiate.
>Gandalf demands Mouth return to Sauron with terms of surrender.
At this point negotiations have ended.
>Mouth of Sauron doesn't leave with the message
>Mouth of Sauron starts talking shit
After refusing orders to leave, the Mouth simply becomes an enemy combatant who rode ahead of the rest of the army for some reason. So Aragorn kills him. And that was that.
>the charges officer
>the charges, Eru?
>Not killing him immediately
He didnt have to obey aragorn's orders because they were in Mordor and Aragorn acknowledged Sauron's dominion over Mordor by falling him Lord of the black land
They recognize Sauron as the enemy leader and direct their terms to him. They do not respect Sauron or worship him, the name Sauron means dread abomination (Sauron calls himself Tar Mairon). Aragorn had declared war on them so the Mouth of Sauron defying Aragorn makes him not an ambassador but a warrior. Aragorn was well aware that the power of Sauron is to seduce others and dominate their wills so he sought to prevent it by demanding the Mouth of Sauron leave his presence. The Mouth should have done it anyway if he was a messenger.
If you think about it, the Mouth referring to himself as the Mouth of Sauron is weird. "Sauron" is an ugly title, one that Sauron himself hated. It would be like a press secretary opening up a secretary with "I represent the vile garden gnomes who rule this country."
He said it ironically
the black gate is mordor's border, they weren't in mordor
>madness....?
>THIS
>IS
>MORRR-DOOOOR
War is already a crime against humanity
what’s your favourite lotr movie trivia that isn’t well known to everyone?
I was baffled to find out just a year or so ago that Legolas is actually "floating" on the snow when they are going through the mountain pass in Fellowship, instead of just sinking in it like all other races and jve watchrd those mkvies 20+ times.
Might be autistic, but i find such a small detail cool
same in books
he's also the first to emerge when the snow falls on them. It's a nice little attention to detail. I didn't notice until around my fourth or fifth time watching.
>doesnt link it
moron
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cool, it's the little things
Nice catch
The scene with Frodo and Sam being depressed and attacked by Gollum at Mount Doom was one of the earliest scenes filmed, in a hastily built set, on a rainy day.
The Sauron vs Aragorn fight scene that was filmed
The Easterlings marching into Mordor in The Two Towers actually make a brief appearance in The Return of The King, if you squint hard enough. There are stills of them in more scenes in the trading card game.
Why the Easterlings were removed from RotK has never been explained publicly but most likely explanation was post-9/11 nervousness about depicting "Easterling" savages invading a European kingdom.
from the trading card game you can tell from lighting some of these shots are from Pelennor Fields
Who was the main costume designer for LOTR? I know John Howe was the lead designer but does that mean he designed the armor/outfits? The armor sets from LOTR are all so iconic and nice looking.
and they actually look like real metal
They are real metal. A number of armorers worked for a considerable amount of time to make the movie armor. I may be mistaken but I think even extras far from the camera had "real" armor.
Also it confused the audience why they were fighting humans.
I don't really buy that honestly. In two towers you had the oliphant scene and Gollum giving exposition as the Easterlings marched by ("Sauron is drawing all his allies to him")
These films respected the audience enough to hope they could grasp this. Although to be fair, they were getting dumber with each entry. The seeds of the Hobbit disaster were starting to be sown in RotK.
Not everyone who watches Return of the King watched Two Towers.
And it's not even a removal. They're still in the scene, just in the background.
They're so "in the background" you have to pause the DVD and watch a specific scene frame by frame lmao
they're absent from the entire movie before and after those few frames lmao
fuck just forgot too that of course there's also the big Oliphant scene with the Haradrim in RotK
>was post-9/11 nervousness about depicting "Easterling" savages invading a European kingdom.
God I hate garden gnomewood so much it hurts
The Easterlings mostly went up north to fight the dwarves of Erebor and the men of Dale, preventing them from aiding Gondor and Rohan.
the part in fellowship when the leader uruk throws a knife at aragorn and he bats it away with his sword wasn't supposed to happen, the uruk actor was supposed to miss viggo but he threw it right at him by accident and viggo actually battered it away
That knife goes wide as hell in the actual shot.
>doesnt link it
double moron
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also its not "wide as hell" its within a foot of his face at the "deflection" point
and even after it was deflected it actually went closer to his body.
>Lord Sauron send his greeti- ACK !
Uhhh sweaty, as head of state Aragorn can order an extrajudicial beheading for those who are suspected of violent acts against the people of Gondor. Obama did 3 of them in a night.
Was Aragorn head of state before he was crowned? If not, at what point did he assume the position?
Does Gondor have a Parliament to ratify his succession? Courts? Who wrote the laws that say he is king? Is there even a law about it?
he pardoned himself after becoming king.
Just before this happen the Mouth admits to the torture and execution of PoWs which is also a warcrime, but I never see you make threads about that.
Sorry, the servants of Morgoth have only been committing genocide for millennia.
people that make these threads also argue that LoTR has black and white morality
yes cutting this from the theatrical cut is a crime OP
>mass reply fag calls others subhuman
OH THE IRONY
you probably need to go back to wherever it was you came from
HURR DURR GO BACK TO POL XDD
you are literally a moron
Sorry Pajeet, if you don’t brush you don’t deserve to live.
ok moron
Killing literally pure evil?
>dehumanizing your enemy to justify killing him
You sound like a Nazi.
Everyone does it all the time. Even today, just peruse some US propaganda about Chinks and Russians.
I have to agree begrudgingly because I'm white. Attacking an ambassador is a cowardly thing to do, and is almost universally a brown trait. People with soul (aka whites) live with honor and follow rules, even in war.
Aragorn acted under the premise that the hobbits had been captured and tortured to death, which is another war crime so yeah, blood for blood I guess.
>do bad thing to literally evil incarnate
>only people who would literally ever care are allies of evil
>kill all the bad people
>only people left are people who see action as good thing
>no crime has been committed
the charges officer?
Stop using literally
i used it twice
both times were literally the correct place to literally use the word literally you literal moron.
Killing villagers is also a war crime, so is torture (gollum)
Plus they used WMDs to get into Rohan.
When you negotiate with terrorists you become a victim. I stand with Israel.
its more like mercy killing a puppet
Sauron isn't like a leader of an opposing country who is evil in propaganda, he is evil, the end.
Not in middle Earth bitch
Yes, anyone who disagrees is soulless and non-white
I can excuse the killing of a Satan worshipper that has probably been killing innocents for a couple thousand years, after betraying his people and God Himself, who is now standing before one of his cousins that didn't betray God with the full intention of genociding every orc he sees, and is also fuckimg around by rubbing his friend's torture in his face. At that point you aren't an ambassador of any kind, you have a death wish.
there's no such thing as a 'war crime' when the enemy is trying to genocide your entire race.
Gondorian oil somehow found its way under Mordor's earth.
Perhaps big mouth should've chosen his words more carefully
Only caucasian posts ITT
The charges, Sauron?
Good.
shit i forgot being white is the slang for cuck. sorry. just look at modern brits, krauts and leafs. sad
>Aragorn looks so fucking majestic and kingly that the Mouth of Sauron is intimidated and can't even look at him
>unprompted by any action of Aragorn, pleads with Aragorn not to kill him because he's just a messenger
>decides to negotiate with Gandalf instead
>tell Gandalf that they caught two hobbits spying in Mordor and that it's a conspiracy against Sauron
>presents artifacts of the hobbits to Gandalf like the mithril and Sam's sword
>tells Gandalf that Gondor and all its allies must swear loyalty to Mordor and that if they don't, the hobbits will be tortured for years
>The Mouth demands that the humans will sede part of their lands and will rebuild Isengard so that the Mouth can rule there
>Gandalf says he's demanding too much shit for just having one hostage and that Mordor can't be taken at its word anyways
>Gandalf says if wants to negotiate he needs present Frodo so that they know he's still alive
>The Mouth says no and tells him those are the terms, "take them or leave them"
>Gandalf has had enough of this shit and blinds the Mouth with a bright light and steals back all of the Hobbit's shit. He tells the Mouth that he's out of a job and that's going to die soon
>The Mouth flees like a bitch and then signals Mordor to attack
Book version would have been better
>Sauron warcrimed first
>They were only at the gate to create a distraction to help Frodo and Sam get to Mt Doom
>Sauron's diplomat was very rude.
Justified in my opinion
Didn't Aragorn want Sauron to think he had the ring?
Beheading an ambassador probably did a pretty good job conveying that.