This is exactly how the same scene would go if Spongebob were made by Cartoon Writers instead of Cartoonists
https://twitter.com/LoadyMcGee/status/1563328775324303360
This is exactly how the same scene would go if Spongebob were made by Cartoon Writers instead of Cartoonists
Oh boy, another twitter thread.
it's not about the screencap that was just the best way to present it
No, it's an X thread.
>Twitter
Honestly a pretty good impressionist though
really missing the point
Don't care about whatever point he's making homosexual, this thread is shit but whoever voiced him now is damn good at it
the point spumdonor/loady is making you trog
I was really wondering for a sec if it was actually the same actor.
let me guess, OP is either the guy who made the xweet or one of his friends
the comments there read exactly like certain recurring fags who come here
got any examples?
sure
https://twitter.com/LoadyMcGee/status/1563761015934054400
https://twitter.com/drummarts/status/1563383548504985600
>Cartoons where the animation is incidental not integral. Driven by the writers like most tv instead of driven by the storyboarders, animators, directors, etc. Animated stuff should drive to be more like film than tv but some people just treat it like any old talking head sitcom
Well he's not wrong
there is more than one way to make things
and yet there is an objectively correct way
objective beauty is real
And the sitcom way is a waste of effort for animation, hth
Yeah but if it's just a bunch of talking heads why eve make it a cartoon? It's a waste of the medium. Just film two actors standing there talking.
Although I think one unsaid thing is if the writing is really damn funny and great it doesn't matter. Some Classic Simpsons bits have the characters mostly just standing there but their lines are just that damn funny. But most writing is just not good enough to carry a cartoon by itself. (And also, classic simpsons also had lots of bits that were visual/animation driven, too.)
>It's a waste of the medium
Saying this about any medium creates a pointless limitation.
You still need a set and clothing and others for the "talking heads". If it is a story in a fantasy or sci-fi setting it might be more convenient to make it animated rather than live action.
Somewhat fair, although like I said in the second half, a bigger problem is that the writing is often just bad. The animation is then doing none of the lifting, and adding nothing, so when the writing is shit there's nothing to salvage.
That's why I think this clip actually does sum up my problems with some recent cartoon writing. The fish's dialogue is not funny or character-based, it's just some kid on reddit bitching about the tropes in the show. A lot of modern writing is just obvious, over-made observations and memes about tropes that state what they are and why they're bad, but do nothing with them.
>the writing is often just bad
And guess what, the same applies to cartoonist cartoons.
"Haha what if this animal got hit by a heavy object" gets old eventually.
At least if that's drawn well it can be visually engaging. A write's social media feed turned into a script that has everything to do with the writer venting about things that have nothing to do with the cartoon or characters, less so.
loady sounding pretty based. Reminer though that that drummarts guy is a pajeet who just copy pastes stuff spumdonor and busterbeam says
so what is the difference between cartoonist and cartoon writers?
Drama over making a Twitter thread aside:
Storyboarders/cartoonists will want to make a cinematic, dynamic, fun bit with cartoony animation.
Increasingly, a lot of cartoon WRITERS (who often come from live action writing and have no interest in cartoons/animation) just want the characters to be generic talking heads who stand around statically spouting generic one-liners. More recently they're also less interested in character or plot based writing than on putting their snarky social media observations of shows into the shows, too.
I think Velma is a good example of this. There's lots of the characters stand around and are talking heads fir the writers to bitch about how fucking stupid Scooby-Doo is.
Storyboarders who actually come from animation schooling aren't likely to do it because talking heads make for a bad cartoon and because they actually like cartoons instead of hating them.
>Increasingly, a lot of cartoon WRITERS (who often come from live action writing and have no interest in cartoons/animation) just want the characters to be generic talking heads who stand around statically spouting generic one-liners. More recently they're also less interested in character or plot based writing than on putting their snarky social media observations of shows into the shows, too.
>I think Velma is a good example of this. There's lots of the characters stand around and are talking heads fir the writers to bitch about how fucking stupid Scooby-Doo is.
Can't you say the same thing about most 90s and 2000s stuff? Most Cartoon Network shows were dialogue-driven with characters always remaining on model. I don't know what makes those different from Velma aside from the Twitter bits.
The 90s and 2000s were more likely to use character- and plot-based humor with the occasional meta. Cartoons today are more likely to have this kind of meta joke where a character just rants about how stupid the tropes they're using are or to use therapizing pop psych language and talk about Current Events issues with the characters and plot just being excuses to air the writer's real life opinions and criticisms of the show they're writing for.
It's the influence of Family Guy and also the MCU needing to have some ironic "we know this is dumb" but every five seconds.
Oh dear god, I feel like this perfectly sums up a lot of cartoon writing for the past ten years or so, especially for cartoon reboots and "adult" animation in a fucking nutshell.
It's just the characters cynically reciting the same meta observations that were made a million times by redditors and on Twitter that got tons of upvotes/likes but weren't especially funny then. But they were okay as a social media hot take, sometimes, not in the goddman shows. Now the characters all sound like the actual fucking obnoxious redditors instead.
It feels like cartoon writers' only background is writing shitty Cinemasins style hot take take downs of everything.
This is what happens when you put Borderlands tier dialogue writers on projects
Insecure 12 year olds in therapy is right.
I feel like more and more shit these days is FULL of writers assuring you that everything is just "ironic," that they know it's horrible and shit and are doing it on purpose, endlessly apologizing for all of the tropes it's using for being "problemtic" and not making sense, throwing out constant therapy language in an endless self-deprecating critique and then they just forget to tell stories or have jokes.
Those writers are the same people that told us comic books were corny and then proceeded to ruin comic films and cartoons and say how much better they are now
You pretty much. The idea is that they are so much better because they see how stupid and horrible everything is, but they never learned to actually make anything. Instead when given the reigns all they can do is tear things down, and make a weird impassioned argument about why you should not watch the shit they're writing for.
SOULLESS vs SOUL
The gearbox line is unironically soul but its still very cringe and overwritten
You could probably shrink it down to 3 short lines with minimum cringe
I'm in full agreement with the point this thread is making, but looking at this example, I feel like this isn't a black and white issue. The second example is obnoxious, sure, but the first example is so empty and generic.
>Cartoon writers
So Simpsons? Family Guy? KotH?
Simpsons writers were once really, really good and worked to make the visuals funny, though, but yes, modern Simpsons became this. I think if the writers value and work with the srtists, things are still great.
It's when the writers also look down on the artists and the art and don't like cartoons that this becomes a problem.
Velma writers.
I think the positive reaction to Smiling Friends is driven by it being the only animated comedy in ages focused on being funny instead of being the writers’ therapy session
>I think the positive reaction to Smiling Friends is driven by it being the only animated comedy in ages focused on being funny instead of being the writers’ therapy session
This.
>>I think the positive reaction to Smiling Friends is driven by it being the only animated comedy in ages focused on being funny instead of being the writers’ therapy session
Holy shit, what a way to put it. It's just fun without hour long youtuber essays breaking down each episode.
lame.
you're lame and so is your twitter
enjoy the 404 for the low quality post piece of shit you made, homosexual
>cartoon writers
That's just called a writer you triple nigglet. Not watching your shitty video.
oh why am I not surprised
why does john k have so many weird simps
They are tired from being called homosexuals by industry people and come to Cinemaphile to cry about it
why be so ride or die for john k specifically though? He's a good artist but most of his inspirations are miles better
John K twitter is like Dissident Right twitter but for cartoon fans.
yeah but why'd they pick him to be their guy of all people?
Think about it, John K is relived by pretty much everyone. He’s like the embodiment of “he who shall not be named” There aren’t any other cartoonists like that. Most other 90s creators were boomers who just fell off the map.
so is it just simping for someone controversial so they can be annoying? Why's it even have to be a 90s animator? There are plenty of better artists before john k that are less controversial and exhibit the same artistic sensibilities that john k tried to emulate.
Because it pisses people off and gatekeeps newcomers
>Think about it, John K is relived by pretty much everyone
Not even John K haters think this
You know I meant reviled
Yeah I know.
>He's a good artist but most of his inspirations are miles better
They also try to hide using other artist names, Danny Antonucci, Joe Murray, C.H Greenblatt etc..
>some twitter guy was mean to me so now i'm going to go on a schizo witchhunt on anyone who happens to prefer 90s cartoonists
Bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it plays out
Obnoxious cunts tend to flock together so that they can promote each other's edgy opinions as objective fact. Artistic skill is a secondary concern (if it matters at all).
>Obnoxious cunts tend to flock together Shut the fuck up, Brit
John K helped build thousands of currently active careers.
This is just projecting
>Please learrrrn from this
I'm compelled to commit Minecraft against a Californian after hearing this line
Is there a word for something like the Rick&Morty Dr. Wong or whoever where a new writer comes into a series and just writes themselves smugly reading a show's characters the riot act, either with a new self-insert character or through an existing character? It's always so godamned obnoxious to hear a writer pretentiously dressing down the characters like that. The writers seem so narcissistic.
Can we stop with these Twitter screenshot threads?
This is basically the therapist chewing Rick Sanchez out.T42GXN
that character is so annoying
this, all modern writers just wanna circle jerk themselves since they know no one watches their shows
>Verification not required.
You guys are honestly overthinking this.
explain then
I don't mind characters being self-aware, but does add anything to the setup in a interesting way or change the dynamic and interactions? That's what matters to me.
That was much less entertaining than the original.
I dunno if this a writers vs artists thing, though. I think it’s just a whiny talentless hacks thing.
Reminder that SpongeBob itself did this
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It didn't go on and on. It was used to exaggerate the ridiculousness of the personification of the mind by explaining that if he were a real person with his own thoughts and agency, he wouldn't have any incentive to work because he doesn't get paid. And it reaches his climax because he's still afraid to get fired even though there is no way to "fire" him.
Also, it only lasted 15 seconds. The average Family Guy or Rick and Morty joke drags on and on
The moral of the story is to not deal in absolutes. That joke works because it pokes fun at the logic of the gag then commits to it again with a silly punchline poking fun at the intial poking. It's brief and unpretenious. OP meanwhile is deep up its own ass breaking down the entirety of Squidward and Spongebob's dynamic that even a child already understands and goes on for a minute and a half. That's 1/10th the fucking episode if it were real. It's utterly fucking banal and does nothing novel with the bit.
I see
Bingo. It's said that brevity is wit but in many ways that's also the harder way to do things; it's infinitely easier to spend an entire minute turning a non-joke into a bit in the name of "subversion" or "irony" instead of having to come up with one ten second joke/gag and then another five to fill the same amount of time or incorporating smaller gags into one big sequence. Part of the reason that the Simpsons was so good was that the writer's room was exceptionally skilled at doing that, and for a more contemporary show that did it well you can look at Gumball.
Shaman's Quest
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Spongebob S1 to S3 feels like it was made by sitcom writers
You didn't have the crazy face shit every 5 seconds like now
Spongebob was made by a marine biologist
>marine biologist creates more memorable and beloved cartoon characters than other full time cartoonist
>never got in drama or got a big ego
>never made another cartoon after and went back to marine studies
Hillenburg was pretty based
He worked on other cartoons, retard
No it felt like it was made by cartoonist who knew how to write characters
>look at Spongebob ... we all like him
>writers would ignore seasons of precedent to prolong a joke
Checks out.
I hate how people forget SpongeBob is kind of just a loser dork who loves having fun
Remember when they all laughed at him for having a healthy relationship with grandma
Didn’t really like the ending with all of them laughing at him again, but still a fun episode
Well the whole point of the episode wasn't to let go of things for peer pressure or some arbitrary standard of conforming. Spongebob is an adult who works and lives on his own; being affectionate with his grandma isn't a sign he's a manbaby. You gotta roll with the punches
also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D73lTL8VQDg&pp=ygUcc3BvbmdlYm9iIHNob290cyBrcnVzdHkga3JhYg%3D%3D
Ok true, but I think squidward being included there wasn’t right, it makes his character look too mean. He doesn’t like SpongeBob but he’s not a complete bully. Also would’ve been nice to see the fish stop laughing since SpongeBob doesn’t care, or something like that
Squid has literally celebrated him being gone when he ran away to live with nature. Some people irl are never going to stop laughing or punching down on you for being yourself, but repressing yourself for acceptance will make you destroy yourself inside and out.
People irl don't stop laughing, because there don't exist heel-face turn moments where you make an epic speech to your bullies to stop.
Twitters video player is so fucking horrible I can't even watch the damn thing
>A person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts. So he loses touch with reality and lives in a world of illusions.
>Indeed, one of the highest pleasures is to be more or less unconscious of one’s own existence, to be absorbed in interesting sights, sounds, places, and >people. Conversely, one of the greatest pains is to be self-conscious, to feel unabsorbed and cut off from the community and the surrounding world.
>It's fitting for my current situation.
Ow. There goes my Saturday morning.
The sad thing is the person who made the edit missed the point of the scene.
Squidward is meant to be the cynical asshole, you're meant to side with the guy ordering his food because Squidward is being overly spiteful and cynical... but as it stands the person making the edit missed the forest for the trees, he did the exact thing Squidward did, which was be overly spiteful and cynical for no reason.
without context the video is funny but yeah i can see the rick and morty vibes
That kind of humor is much more of a Family Guy thing. I could see the OP vid as a Family Guy skit.
What else are we talking about right now?
Cartoonists would be NOTHING without the writers and producers and investors.