This is what they took from (You).

>He doesn't know who created Mara Jade
Dude, what are you even doing in a Star Wars thread, outside of shitposting?

Welp, I do know her. You don't sound like a Star Wars fan if you're only interested in the movies (including the bad ones)

>he thinks it wasn't on screen
Ngmi

you made tumblrinas seethe

>Kylo
What a terrible mistake.

>Being able to waltz into a room and let Kyle auto-reflect every shot is amusing but it isn't great game design
I don't think its that easy on higher difficulties, basic enemies being literal pushovers is a flaw, Star Wars would allow for some interesting enemy design that at the time of Outcast/Academy was not fully utilized.
> Lightsaber combat in general is more limited but also more deliberate
I don't feel that FO direction is the one that game should have went. A system similar to M&B would open up a more intricate combat system.
>Basic movement is also a lot better
I disagree, janky idtech3 FPS movement substituted by twin stick console garbage, its neither here nor there.
You can't have TJK movement on a console, it just doesn't work, while console style hack and slash movement feels limiting on PC

FotJ makes it clear Legacy was an alternate timeline which Jacen fricked with when he turned Sith and broke Centerpoint.

Dark Horse run still uses the PT visuals (and even still ties into the Skywalkers with that character who gets put on stasis and another has a vision of Luke/Vader) while the Bane trilogy is weird because it once again retcons the era its set in as futuristic when it was previously depicted as a more medieval fantasy.

Point is the EU is never truly standalone or original, it either always connects to the Skywalkers or reuses the same visuals from the movies even if its literally set in a distant era long before.

Exar Kun is the main antagonist of the Jedi Academy, it does have unique visuals but KOTOR literally undid all that and the visuals of that game became a mainstay in the Old Republic era.

Fair point. I should have said meaningful and deliberate flaw, since Sues like Rey tend to have ones that don’t mean shit (like just wanting to be loved ;_;) or are accidental (like her clear anger issues).
Contrast with Kyle’s flaws, where his fear makes him refuse his potential with the force, which lets Desann wipe the floor with him, and anger that lets him then play Kyle like a fiddle.

>retcon
Obi-Wan had no wife in the OT.
Yoda had no wife.
Luke had no love interest outside of Leia, and when he found out she was his sister and when he truly became a Jedi Knight in Return of the Jedi, he forsake that idea. Only Darth Vader had a wife, and he fell to the Dark Side. If you think about what it means to be a Jedi, what responsibility they have, and what's at stake - you realize pretty quickly, that they cannot get married. But fanfic readers don't think. For they are fanfics - made solely to satisfy faboys's lowest impulses.

Don’t talk to prequel babbies, anon.
They’re idiots from reddit prequel memes that think they’re in good company because of people rightfully shitting on the sequels

I never stopped liking the prequels.

>Obi-Wan had no wife in the OT.
>Yoda had no wife.
I guess they were busy with other things. Also Obi-Wan and Satine 100% fricked. And that's TCW. That's late Lucas, who finally got over his divorce with Marcia. Lucas is notorious for changing his mind time and time again.

Han shooting in self-defense is much better. I don't want my kids to adore a murderer. George was right.

He is still that. His arc about coming around and helping Luke and the Rebels over his personal gain is still intact. Murdering Greedo adds absolutely nothing to it. It's irrelevant and rather derails attention from what is actually important.

>George was right.
He was not. It's obvious that Han shoots first because he knows Greedo and what Greedo is about to do. The original scene demonstrates Han's self-reliance and savvy; one gets an understanding of the trouble he gets into and his experience with it. The change also just flat-out looks like dogshit.

Don’t sprain your back with those mental gymnastics

Murdering people for owing debts is morally wrong.
I’m not even going to insult you because at this point you’re clearly pretending to be moronic for the sake of driving people into frustration and then claiming you’ve won when m they inevitably put a verbal foot wrong.
I know you’re not going to stop, I just want to let you know it’s very transparent and I’m disappointed you’re stooping to this.

>it wasn't right
Who cares? It was badass and Han lived to see another day

>murderer
That’s moronic.
If someone points a gun at you then shooting them is self defence. If someone points a gun at you and tells you flat out that they’re going to use it, not shooting them is idiotic.
Han gave Greedo an out and he refused to take it, he genuinely did everything he could feasibly do to not kill greedo

>are unironically worse than the sequels.
Rian, pls.

Sure, but that was due to Rian being a trolling dipshit.

How? It's so much more easier to make a sequel to TLJ than like Infinity War, which literally had to pull time travel out of its ass to resolve everything.

Kylo intentionally being a shitty villain would be more compelling than the average MCU movie formula of introducing a new villain whose supposed to bigger and badder than the previous one only to still get defeated in the same way on the end, at least it would provide a solution to how the FO would collpase without resorting to another superweapon getting blown up (Kylo being incompetent as supreme leader leads to divisions and low moral within the organization, it can also tie into a new Finn arc where he leads a mass stormtrooper rebellion)

The entire point of his character in TFA was that he was a whiny emo trying to imitate Vader but ultimately fails pathetically, he's only really dangerous in that his connection to the OT heroes makes him the likeliest character to kill them off.

>But I'm completely convinced this is what passes as "good villain" among current year Disney producers
What passes as a good villain to Disney is a one-off character played by some celebrity actor

I already suggested that Finn incites a big stormtrooper rebellion that leads to the FO's downfall while Poe sucks his dick to satisfy everyone who for some reason thought their dynamic was leading to a gay romance and Rey can just defeat Kylo one-on-one in an epic lightsaber duel.

I genuinely think TFA and TROS are both worse.

You are genuinely a fricking moron who should be castrated

>Anyone who responds with whataboutism should be castrated.

go back sucking Rian's butthole, reylo cuck

>All Star Wars after 1983 is shit. But we can't let go.
Wrong.

>But we can't let go.
The media won't let us, they keep pumping shit out and sometimes we get peer pressured by normies falling for marketing bullshit to keep consuming it even though it doesn't actually make us happy

How can someone have such a shitty and moronic opinion as you?
>Yeah it was dreadful (and is widely regarded as killing the entire franchise) BUT these other films were worse imo because they weren't as pretty!

>TLJ is no worse with its writing than the other two sequels, ultimately

>he's still going
Hey moron, no one's impressed by you constantly saying idiotic things

>The prequels are still worse
They look worse. I still think the prequels manage to have a better story. They're all trash. Good Star Wars ended in 1983, and even RotJ is sloppy.

I agree with your assessment of the prequels, but they at least have a thematic throughline.

Did you miss the part where I said TLJ was a terrible film? TFA and especially TROS just also have dogshit screenplays.

Why isn't how a film looks reason enough to call it better, given the writing is immeasurably bad across the lot? Cinematography matters in cinema.

>to the point of ignoring everything fricking happening in the film.
But I'm clearly not, given I've stated several times over that TLJ is a feat of disastrous screenwriting. I think you need to take a course in remedial English.

>isn't decrying the film
It is for those of us with working brain cells.

>Clothing
Come on now, no one gives a shit at all about this

>multi-million dollar sci-fi blockbuster known for its elaborate and visually interesting costumes
Usually that's referring to the alien designs, not the actual outfits.

Last Jedi sucked but a lot of these criticisms are pretty lame.
1. Couldn't this same criticism be leveled at Empire? The Battle of Hoth, then the Asteroid Field chase and Dagobah, then Cloud City, all of these are "cool scenes" to the point that it's the entire movie.
2. This could also be applied to Luke. Of course, narratively both of them are terrorists who blow up a military base killing hundreds of thousands of people, the idea that they're inoffensive just means you're not paying attention to the narrative. Which is odd because the first point talks about how they didn't create "a plot that could generate excitement through it's [sic] narrative."
3. This is actually where we get into corporate focus grouping. A black guy getting with the white girl in a Star Wars movie was far too controversial for Disney. TLJ had lots of corporate-issued rewriting that took out the jokes, the humanization of the storm troopers, and Finn's story.
4. Agreed. "Both sides are bad" has been pointed out since the end of A New Hope had a reference to Nazi propaganda.
5. This is basically right. The question of a good character comes down to psychology. Jyn Erso is a Disney character who's both well-written as well as competent.
6. The actual trouble with the hyperspace kamikaze attack is that it takes a long time to charge up, it has to be done at very close range and, (despite being flashy) it doesn’t actually accomplish much. I’m pretty sure none of the baddie ships are actually destroyed; it’s cosmetic damage.This leads to a dissonance between plot and narrative. The plot relies on Holdo’s attack being weak in order to explain why it’s exceptional and unexpected.
7. This is also right. Episode VIII basically came about because people didn't understand what Luke did in the throne room in Episode VI.
8. The narrative is that the First Order are popular. People hated Palpatine but are otherwise fine with a Vader-worshipping theocracy led by a crusader.

9. Snoke was the third-most powerful person in the galaxy, who took over after Palpatine and Vader died.
10. I guess. Didn't people complain about the prequels not looking like the originals?
11. Kinda the same criticism here.
12. It actually ignores everything after Empire. We've got a fully-actualized Kylo Ren who's tried to convert Rey to Christianity (Vader tries the same with Luke in Empire). But the funny part is that Disney could've not even established a "sequel trilogy" and just made additional films. Nobody views all of this as a nonology anyway.

The Abeloth/FotJ was the best evolution for Star Wars.
- Luke, Leia and Han in the background focused on Jaina and Ben
- The Republic not being Jedi simps anymore with a competent military
- A multitude of Sith from the Lost Tribe, all pretty and aesthetic as opposed to the virgin edgy 'One Sith'
- The Empire still existing as a foil, as was the Mandalorian/Verpine alliance giving the rise of private military companies providing easy access to smaller regional wars outside Republic boundaries
- Backdrop of Abeloth and other esoteric force groups reintroduced (baran do sages, ang tii monks, fallanassi, etc) to shake up the binary Jedi/Sith view of the force
And Disney fricked it all up.

Not really, considering our own current rise to populism. Sure, the Jedi saw her as a psychotic c**t but then again I am sure most saw her as goal driven to make the Galaxy great again. Of course, she folded the second real pressure came.

>She was literally the worst genocidal maniac in post-Imperial history. Murdered millions of Republic citizens for no reason whatsoever. She got the Chief of State position because Karen Traviss wanted a woman in charge and she didn't bother to read other EU books.
Karen didn't write the last book, though. Plus people have short memories especially in a galactic scale. You see even now people going for leaders who are clearly against their own personal interests, then acted shocked when they fulfill.

Look at the EU Han origin. You have him finding a sexy redhead slavegirl who is drug addicted who scams him and then later she shows up again working for the rebellion. Disney kinda adapted that and make a shitty film out of it.

Your opinion. If you didn't ship Ben and Vestara then you're NGMI. The only bad part was the rushed wrapup ending which included the forced Abeloth = Mortis shit which you can tell they just threw in at the last minute.

I love Ben and Vestara.

Selling Allana out was arguably wrong. Also mass-murdering everyone in Lando’s factory.

“Young Sith gets dragged on Jedi adventures, engages in chronic backstabbing hijinks to aggravate Luke” was a great setup though. She was one of the best parts of FotJ, if not the outright best.

somebody actually draw this for fricks sakes

I'm an old gay that doesn't waste his time with online drama, sorry for not being in the loop enough for your

>but it still pisses me off that he regained the undeserved visionary status
I mean, he WAS a visionary, that's for sure, but he was also a stubborn autist. He needed a LOT of convicing that some things he is not on board with are actually a good idea. But I don't think he was an butthole, at least not on purpose.

>NOTICE ME, SEMPAI!!! ;.;
>no.

Something I noticed on rereading is that nobody actually likes her apart from Karde. It’s not until Luke, and later Leia, gets to know her that anyone but her boss treats her with anything more than respect.
She’s standoffish to practically everyone, and it’s only Karde going out of his way to be pleasant to all his employees that makes him get past it when she’s introduced.