This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life.

This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life. Its popularity should genuinely worry people for the future of the medium.

To actually go into depth about its flaws requires so much effort precisely because people are willingly ignoring those issues to sincerely engage with even bigger problems.

The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite. Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series, and when you try to educate them, they don't care, at best they say you're just being a contrarian and that they can't wait for the new episode.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When everything about an acclaimed series is awful, such that it's impossible to even know where to begin to properly critique it, that has a trickle down effect because younger artists will inevitably internalize its flaws and bring those mistakes into their own writing, design, plots, etc. as though they were features instead of bugs.

      I truly believe that if someone wanted to, they could go line-by-line, shot-by-shot, and prove that this is not only a creatively bankrupt, inept cartoon with nothing to say, but that it has somehow reached a new low in what the common person is willing to accept since it's cheap, free entertainment.

      If it sounds like I'm being vague on purpose that's because it's better to allude to things rather than opt for Digital Circus's choice, where it's more expository and in-your-face than the most patronizing anime flashback.

      what a cookie-cutter opinion you have posted

      Statistically my opinion is shared by basically no one. People complain about lore inconsistencies and a few eyerolling quoteables, not the foundation for the entire series.

      >midwit full of himself for dissecting a literal cartoon for teens
      i cringed

      The average IQ of the people watching this is potentially in the high 80s, at best. That's including some of the youtubers "dissecting" it as well, by repeating back to the audience the events of the episode and then adding fanfic over top.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >with nothing to say

        And that's a bad thing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >such that it's impossible to even know where to begin to properly critique it
        Lol whoa wait so you're saying you're too stupid to accomplish this task no one but yourself decided you should accomplish?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go shot by shot on the tanker chase

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a cookie-cutter opinion you have posted

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >midwit full of himself for dissecting a literal cartoon for teens
    i cringed

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could be right about a lot of this. It would be pretty great if people got savvy to the shortcomings of TADC with time and the help of better cartoons being made after it ends.

    And people on Cinemaphile being like, “Why is it like this?”
    “You could get away with that kind of thing back then”

    But I also hope hindsight gives you a better appreciation for TADC’s popularity, and you can think of a reason why it was popular beyond “Everyone else is stupid”

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When everything about an acclaimed series is awful, such that it's impossible to even know where to begin to properly critique it, that has a trickle down effect because younger artists will inevitably internalize its flaws and bring those mistakes into their own writing, design, plots, etc. as though they were features instead of bugs.

      I truly believe that if someone wanted to, they could go line-by-line, shot-by-shot, and prove that this is not only a creatively bankrupt, inept cartoon with nothing to say, but that it has somehow reached a new low in what the common person is willing to accept since it's cheap, free entertainment.

      If it sounds like I'm being vague on purpose that's because it's better to allude to things rather than opt for Digital Circus's choice, where it's more expository and in-your-face than the most patronizing anime flashback.

      [...]
      Statistically my opinion is shared by basically no one. People complain about lore inconsistencies and a few eyerolling quoteables, not the foundation for the entire series.
      [...]
      The average IQ of the people watching this is potentially in the high 80s, at best. That's including some of the youtubers "dissecting" it as well, by repeating back to the audience the events of the episode and then adding fanfic over top.

      >IT SUCKS
      what about it sucks?
      >JUST...JUST ALL OF IT
      If it's all wrong and bad what's making people like it?
      >THEY'RE JUST BIG DUMMYHEADS
      No u.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol OP is a 14 year old. there's so many posts like "family guy/steven universe is the worst cartoon I've ever seen"

        try and watch an actual bad cartoon

        ?si=51pmkm64ZCdg-C-Y

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Alright, here's a specific example. In between Caine telling Pomni & Co. their mission in Ep. 2 and them receiving the war rig, nothing actually happens. There is 30 seconds of nothing as they enter the kingdom, then we are told that the castle is awesome twice by Ragatha and Kinger points out something in front of his face. The princess says "I like you already" and Ragatha repeats this to Pomni, but it's played off as a joke because the writers can't decide if they respect their own audience or not. Never mind that the entire purpose of this sequence is to simply RESTATE what Caine already told them at the beginning; never mind that outside of a dream sequence and a few words shared between Jax & Zooble, we're five minutes into the episode and, once more nothing has happened.

        >The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite.
        Just saying certain aspects of something are bad is not a valid criticism you need to explain why they're bad. I'm not even a fan of TADC but you need to actually explain yourself.

        The writing is bad because it's repetitive, expository and insincere, and I have shown that with my above example.
        The set design is bad because it uses far too simple geometry, has few moving parts and just looks like fancy GMOD maps.
        The dialogue is bad because characters do not talk TO each other, they talk AT each other. This is arguably the show's biggest failure.
        The pacing is bad because instead of following any semblance of a typical story beat structure, it's either literally yanking the viewer between setpieces or grinding everything to a halt so characters can stand still and yap about nothing.

        I'm fully expecting to be ignored yet again despite giving a concrete reason why this is a pile of trash.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Nothing happens" during a establishing shot for a new environment and reactions from the characters that display their attitude towards said new environment
          I'm just gonna stop here and assume your other complaints are equally groundless and without proper explanation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're forgetting that this isn't a few minute long little thing, it's a TV-length episode clearly meant to be professional quality. If this were a student project or Newgrounds shitpost it'd be fine but it's not, this is a work with a lot of money behind it which is obviously using trends and algorithm knowledge to bait people into watching shlock that has little value outside of being [Current Thing].

            I can appreciate you actually defending your position; because I came in here assuming the thread was just someone shitposting in the most obvious, contrarian manner possible. Literally a WWE style 'hey, you know that thing you like? I think it sucks!' I was looking forward to some braindead shitposting, but now I don't know where the thread's gonna go.
            However, I think most of your points are bullshit and you have terrible taste.

            Okay, well here's a point that is not bullshit and which you cannot argue against: Most of the toon logic in this show is just plain weird, and not played for comedic effect. In this scene in particular, there is barely any music and the shot dwells for an uncomfortable amount of time on Pomni's manipulated body. A normal cartoon stretches out the character's limbs and then moves on, here it could go as far as to be interpreted as a fetish thing. Not only that, Pomni isn't even used a bridge anyways, so contorting her this way has zero purpose beyond making the audience uneasy.

            Why have this go on for over 20 seconds, beyond establishing that Jax, the butthole character, is in fact, an butthole? It does not advance the plot at all and just wastes time.

            >The set design is bad because it uses far too simple geometry, has few moving parts and just looks like fancy GMOD maps.

            >The show modeled after 90's videogames looks like a videogame that came out in the early 2000's
            Say it ain't so!

            The show literally fails to commit to its 90s retro aesthetic in the very first five seconds of the pilot. It should have been animated in 4:3 with a low framerate and choppy audio. This high-fidelity style lacks any soul at all.
            Also, most environments are flat. Not in terms of soul, I mean they literally have zero elevation changes so it's easy to make characters walk across.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Establishing shots and character reactions to visual gags don't belong in a tv show
              Anon you're just hilariously ignorant of literally every element you're trying to critique (I say trying to because even when you're "explaining" you're just saying "it's bad" instead of actually saying why or what it fails to do/does accidentally
              >I don't like the contorted pomni gag, making it bad
              I think you just need to recognize you have no real knowledge about any of this and get over yourself

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Here's a point that's not bullshit
              >Posts a completely bullshit point.
              It's a joke, Black person. The show is full of them. It doesn't need to 'advance the plot.' Whether or not you found it funny is a matter of taste, but having a joke is not a point against a show.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Here's a point that's not bullshit
              >Posts a completely bullshit point.
              It's a joke, Black person. The show is full of them. It doesn't need to 'advance the plot.' Whether or not you found it funny is a matter of taste, but having a joke is not a point against a show.

              Another point here is that the joke does advance the plot, as it ends with Pomni winding up on the other vehicle and getting clipped under the world with Gummigoo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's hard to reply to so many disingenuous posts at once, so I'll give the series a backhanded compliment: When characters are shown in dimmer lighting with muted colors, it looks like an old 2000s screensaver. But because the series employs high contrast or total darkness, this is very rare. Feel free to call me a racial slur and pretend this isn't criticism, for some reason.

                Also even if you disagree with everything I've said so far, I am certain we can all agree this episode makes Jax is the fastest a jerk character like Jax has ever been flanderized in a cartoon. It takes skill to ruin someone this quickly.

                >Here's a point that's not bullshit
                >Posts a completely bullshit point.
                It's a joke, Black person. The show is full of them. It doesn't need to 'advance the plot.' Whether or not you found it funny is a matter of taste, but having a joke is not a point against a show.

                It is literally not a joke. Pomni could have easily been thrown to the other truck, since they're both together initially, but the writers chose to have her end up mangled and dwell on it, in pure silence, for no purpose. I am not going to repeat myself, if you're gonna claim TADC is a dark comedy you're entitled, but this is a scene where it flat out does not work. The only reason I even focus so much on this in particular is because it's an example of the show using crazy animation but forgetting to do anything with it.

                Sure the show has flaws, but you need to be suffering from dunning kruger pretty hard to actually think like OP.

                This is the type of opinion you get if you nitpick while being incapable of understanding what makes a show good.

                Nitpicking is being like MauLer and asking constant questions, pretending that the show won't answer them but two seconds later, and then calling it bad because your ideal of how the plot should progress doesn't match reality. That's actual nitpicking, and a real issue. Even then, most of what people call nitpicking is genuine criticism, it's just easy to flip-flop since there is no real standard for how to criticize visual media these days.

                [...]
                You kids understand that expository dialogue isn't a flaw, right?
                Exposition DUMPS are a problem.
                Please try to get literally any education under your belt before engaging in "critique"

                >Dumps and dialogue are mutually exclusive
                I'd argue expository dialogue is worse than a giant info dump because you clearly recognize the show is doling out details instead of mixing it into conversation ineptly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pomni being stretched between the cars is not a visual gag
                You're just moronic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there is no real standard for how to criticize visual media these days.
                Of course there is, you're just totally ignorant of every last element of that standard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It is literally not a joke.
                It is a joke. You might not have found it funny, but it is objectively a joke.
                >Pomni could have easily been thrown to the other truck,
                Sure. But why do that when you can make it funny and have the characters banter a little? Why even have the big chase scene? Why not just have Pomni clip under the floor at the start of the episode; would have saved a lot of time.
                >it's an example of the show using crazy animation but forgetting to do anything with it.
                Again, it literally advances the plot by having Pomni end up on the other vehicle by having her snap onto it like a rubber band.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aaaaand now playground insults are being lobbed at me, I'm being gaslit and called schizophrenic. Damn, this is unhinged.

                What part of "The characters talk AT each other" did you not understand, anon? There is no banter, the dialogue 95% of the time is someone saying something and then it's either ignored or the camera cuts. Watch the show. Pomni calling Jax an butthole and having him not respond to her to talk about a bazooka instead isn't banter. Call me nitpicking, autistic, moron, etc. You're just lying at this point about what the conversations actually flow like.

                >pomni being stretched isn't a gag and doesn't work!
                Is that why it's the single most shared screenshot/clip in the entire episode?

                At a certain point you need to recognize the difference between "it's bad" and "I don't like it."

                TADC has good visual gags, this is one of them. It properly shows that Jax is stuck in this world but does not necessarily have to follow its rules. The entire middle of this episode is using visual gags to advance the plot. (Unfortunately, bad writing and inert pacing means it's ruined immediately) But overall? I don't think the show uses the 3D style to its fullest potential, and the gags are few and far between.

                >The writing
                Is alright. Mostly quips, Caine is nonsensical but he's a mad god so that's fine.
                >the set design
                Is deliberately bizarre, reminiscent of an incomplete video game. You are incompetent if you cannot grasp that.
                >the camera work
                Is excellent. They follow pretty much every rule. Why would you think they fail at this?
                >the dialogue
                Is serviceable. Again, mostly quips, but that's fine, it's a dark humor series and Pomni isn't ready to show more of herself yet.
                >the pacing
                Has no problems whatsoever. They let the existential dread breathe and they go from humor beat to humor beat with appropriate swiftness. Do you want them to linger on jokes with fricking drum stings and an unamused stare at the camera?

                In short your standards are misaligned. Is it a perfect show? No. Is it a bad show? Absolutely not. Should it be "one of the worst cartoons you've ever seen in your entire life"? Unquestionably no.

                I'm only gonna respond to you talking about the camera work, because you haven't justified anything and have just said "IT'S NAWT TROO!" Almost every shot in TADC is static, I mean the camera rarely does more than a simple pan, it never rotates or zooms or does anything but stay completely still or shake a bit. In a scene like meeting the candy princess, it works to have her be framed in front of her castle in a basic wide shot. In the main Circus room, it makes sense to have stable, zoomed out views of the place, since it's supposed to be large and empty and imposing. But there are times where all I want is for the camera to rotate, adjust the FoV, do something besides stay still. Once again, Watch. The. Show.

                I want to point out; the stretching scene has sound and music. I don't know what OP is talking about.

                ?t=381

                It's so heavily filtered for the first 2/3rds of the scene that I didn't even notice it on my sound system the first time. Not the own you think it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh woe is me I am being assaulted for being a moron on Cinemaphile!
                Leave.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm only gonna respond to you talking about the camera work, because you haven't justified anything and have just said "IT'S NAWT TROO!" Almost every shot in TADC is static, I mean the camera rarely does more than a simple pan, it never rotates or zooms or does anything but stay completely still or shake a bit.
                Why in god's name do you believe the camera must always be doing more work than it needs to be?
                The pros and cons of camera work is not how much the camera jiggles or swoops around. It's the angles you use and the rules you follow, especially the 180 degree rule.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ?feature=shared&t=483
                Here is a random clip from Reboot which shows what I'm talking about. You have an establishing shot with plenty of motion, rotations which help emphasize the characters floating in zero G and pans which take advantage of all three axes.
                Why am I having to explain the basics of this medium to Cinemaphile anyways? If a cartoon is using CG then it should play around with its environments, not stay completely stable. Plenty of other shows do this well.

                ?feature=shared&t=662
                Another clip from Code Lyoko. Look at how simple the environment is, but how many elevation changes there are, how much the viewer is taken around.
                BOTH of these shoes are doing what Digital Circus does, having characters in a videogame, so there's NO excuse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your argument is "it doesn't do this thing I like, so it's categorically the worst I've ever seen!"
                Your appreciation for panning cameras does not make the camera work of TADC bad. Bad has a meaning and technical application beyond your personal preference.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Being reductive and dismissive towards everything is not a personality trait. I gave reasons I hate Digital Circus, and elaborated upon them, you're just pretending none of it applies... Because it just doesn't, okay!?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am saying your metric of "not using camera techniques of my appreciation" is not an objective criticism. Bad camerawork means it breaks rules, it causes disorientation, it confuses the image. Can you say TADC does these things? By objective metric, your argument should be the camera work is "not supernal" or "neutral". You cannot say by NOT doing advanced camera work it axiomatically becomes bad. That is illogical.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You cannot say by NOT doing advanced camera work it axiomatically becomes bad.
                Nta but it becomes BLAND. The majority of cartoons have BLAND camera. Very rarely you have ones with bad camerawork.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Blandness should not result in a declaration of "the worst I have ever seen". That is a knee-jerk hyperbole.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What part of "The characters talk AT each other" did you not understand, anon?
                I don't see how this has anything to do with your point about the toon logic being weird or the show not utilizing its animation or the stretching scene not being a joke. Are you trying to shift the conversation?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Part of your post was referring to the presence of "banter," so I responded to that. I fundamentally disagree that Pomni being stretched out is a joke, and that's ultimately just my opinion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, and it's an opinion that discredits your argument. It's the show using its animation in a comedic way, complete with music and sound effects, to advance the plot exactly like you want it to. It even has that fancy camera zoom you love.
                You just don't like it for some reason. Which is fine, like I said, you have bad taste, but that doesn't mean that the scene is bad.

                I am saying your metric of "not using camera techniques of my appreciation" is not an objective criticism. Bad camerawork means it breaks rules, it causes disorientation, it confuses the image. Can you say TADC does these things? By objective metric, your argument should be the camera work is "not supernal" or "neutral". You cannot say by NOT doing advanced camera work it axiomatically becomes bad. That is illogical.

                >Bad camerawork means it breaks rules, it causes disorientation, it confuses the image. Can you say TADC does these things?
                Yes, but only once, when Pomni clips through the world.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's so heavily filtered for the first 2/3rds of the scene that I didn't even notice it on my sound system the first time
                Try taking your head out of your ass first.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Almost every shot in TADC is static, I mean the camera rarely does more than a simple pan, it never rotates or zooms or does anything but stay completely still or shake a bit.
                >But there are times where all I want is for the camera to rotate, adjust the FoV, do something besides stay still.
                Here's an actual tip from film school: any camera motion should be motivated, meaning that there should be a reason to have the camera move, otherwise the movement is gratuitous. There is no rule that says "more motion = more better" in fact it's quite the opposite, overusing camera motion can lessen how dynamic the motion feels because it's overused.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I showed you multiple examples, yet you keep going because you just can't admit the show might be visually boring.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or you're an ADHD zoomer who needs constant distraction via gratuitous camera work
                I guess The Godfather is bad too because the camera stays grounded

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Aaaaand now playground insults are being lobbed at me, I'm being gaslit and called schizophrenic. Damn, this is unhinged.
                YOU ARE ON Cinemaphile.
                go back.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just because it was a joke doesn't mean it was good or worked.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Okay, well here's a point that is not bullshit and which you cannot argue against: Most of the toon logic in this show is just plain weird, and not played for comedic effect. In this scene in particular, there is barely any music and the shot dwells for an uncomfortable amount of time on Pomni's manipulated body. A normal cartoon stretches out the character's limbs and then moves on, here it could go as far as to be interpreted as a fetish thing. Not only that, Pomni isn't even used a bridge anyways, so contorting her this way has zero purpose beyond making the audience uneasy.
              It deliberately sets up the notion of Pomni being the cartoon bridge for Jax only to subvert the expectation and derive humor from it when Jax bemoans her situation simply because now he no longer has a bridge.
              In other words: it's a joke homie.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can appreciate you actually defending your position; because I came in here assuming the thread was just someone shitposting in the most obvious, contrarian manner possible. Literally a WWE style 'hey, you know that thing you like? I think it sucks!' I was looking forward to some braindead shitposting, but now I don't know where the thread's gonna go.
          However, I think most of your points are bullshit and you have terrible taste.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The set design is bad because it uses far too simple geometry, has few moving parts and just looks like fancy GMOD maps.

          >The show modeled after 90's videogames looks like a videogame that came out in the early 2000's
          Say it ain't so!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why is all the lighting ultra realistic and none of the textures reminiscent of any old game system if this is what they're attempting? Fans of this show explaining away all of the terrible design choices with this whilst it doesn't even apply to the rest of the show is frustrating

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're forgetting that this isn't a few minute long little thing, it's a TV-length episode clearly meant to be professional quality. If this were a student project or Newgrounds shitpost it'd be fine but it's not, this is a work with a lot of money behind it which is obviously using trends and algorithm knowledge to bait people into watching shlock that has little value outside of being [Current Thing].

          [...]
          Okay, well here's a point that is not bullshit and which you cannot argue against: Most of the toon logic in this show is just plain weird, and not played for comedic effect. In this scene in particular, there is barely any music and the shot dwells for an uncomfortable amount of time on Pomni's manipulated body. A normal cartoon stretches out the character's limbs and then moves on, here it could go as far as to be interpreted as a fetish thing. Not only that, Pomni isn't even used a bridge anyways, so contorting her this way has zero purpose beyond making the audience uneasy.

          Why have this go on for over 20 seconds, beyond establishing that Jax, the butthole character, is in fact, an butthole? It does not advance the plot at all and just wastes time.

          [...]
          The show literally fails to commit to its 90s retro aesthetic in the very first five seconds of the pilot. It should have been animated in 4:3 with a low framerate and choppy audio. This high-fidelity style lacks any soul at all.
          Also, most environments are flat. Not in terms of soul, I mean they literally have zero elevation changes so it's easy to make characters walk across.

          I agree with your writing points but disagree with your visual points. But I've come to learn that it doesn't matter because fans of TADC are braindead and often respond with, "That's the point! It's supposed to be like that!" when you point out shit like the writing being expository or emotional moments going right to the pay-off without an build-up.

          Fans of this shit don't care. They spent months reading Jax fanfiction, so in their head, he already got character development. So when they see him frowning at the end, they think THAT'S the pay-off.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're forgetting that this isn't a few minute long little thing, it's a TV-length episode clearly meant to be professional quality. If this were a student project or Newgrounds shitpost it'd be fine but it's not, this is a work with a lot of money behind it which is obviously using trends and algorithm knowledge to bait people into watching shlock that has little value outside of being [Current Thing].

            [...]
            Okay, well here's a point that is not bullshit and which you cannot argue against: Most of the toon logic in this show is just plain weird, and not played for comedic effect. In this scene in particular, there is barely any music and the shot dwells for an uncomfortable amount of time on Pomni's manipulated body. A normal cartoon stretches out the character's limbs and then moves on, here it could go as far as to be interpreted as a fetish thing. Not only that, Pomni isn't even used a bridge anyways, so contorting her this way has zero purpose beyond making the audience uneasy.

            Why have this go on for over 20 seconds, beyond establishing that Jax, the butthole character, is in fact, an butthole? It does not advance the plot at all and just wastes time.

            [...]
            The show literally fails to commit to its 90s retro aesthetic in the very first five seconds of the pilot. It should have been animated in 4:3 with a low framerate and choppy audio. This high-fidelity style lacks any soul at all.
            Also, most environments are flat. Not in terms of soul, I mean they literally have zero elevation changes so it's easy to make characters walk across.

            You kids understand that expository dialogue isn't a flaw, right?
            Exposition DUMPS are a problem.
            Please try to get literally any education under your belt before engaging in "critique"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >UMMMM ACKTUALLY

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The establishing shots are basic filmography stuff. Literally the stuff they put on the first page in pictures.

            The writing is terrible borderline without conflict. Like Jax says he stole the key, says he'll leave the gate open for the fudge blob, and then he does that. They even point out the plot holes with him being able to do that but never actually touch him or try to do anything about it.

            Then you have the Steven Universe contrived existential crisis stuff they best you over the head with. Everyone over reacts but somehow they never act appropriately.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You just sound like a schizo that have seen a list on little incoherentes and copy-paste them with personal projection

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >because characters do not talk TO each other, they talk AT each other
          Can you explain?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i get this but it is very specific, a slight tinge of super disjointed dialogue where neither characters actually acknowledge each other, see: jax & gangle, along with ragatha & pomni

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but it's passable to a layman and 3d. If this were 2d it wouldn't have a 10th of the same success. If it weren't 2d nor made by a known creator it wouldn't even be a blip. Almost nothing that makes TADC popular is actually due to it's own merits besides maybe the visuals. Fandoms like this have brewed across the intetnet for years now, and it fit perfect in that next slot for "hyperfixation". It was, entirely, in the right place at the right time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think Gooseworx was as popular as you think he was.
          ADC's success is mostly from tapping into the mascot horror genre. People love their mascot horror, especially here on Cinemaphile, though we'll deny it. They love their cute little teddy bear getting thrown into some horrifying shit and having a mental breakdown. They love their tumblr sexyman.
          Now granted, it does deserve some credit for not being absolute slop; there is an effort being made here in regards to writing and animation (and personally I'm waiting for episode 3 to really judge the series, since Goose implies that's when it all kicks off,) which is why it exploded like it did instead of being forgotten like Garten of Banban, but it's becoming increasingly clear that the metric for success is hooking into the algorithm and chasing trends as much as you can.
          But, these are things that people have been accusing ADC of since it aired.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >These are things that people have been accusing GLITCH of since it started*
            FTFY. Murder Drones may be relatively unique in spite of its bad writing and Meta Runner might be half-and-half with trend chasing and legitimate storytelling, but there is a reason no one talks about Sunset Paradise.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but it's passable to a layman and 3d. If this were 2d it wouldn't have a 10th of the same success. If it weren't 2d nor made by a known creator it wouldn't even be a blip. Almost nothing that makes TADC popular is actually due to it's own merits besides maybe the visuals. Fandoms like this have brewed across the intetnet for years now, and it fit perfect in that next slot for "hyperfixation". It was, entirely, in the right place at the right time.

            y'know as an overly critical c**t i really don't see what's wrong with the show if all it has going for it is visuals though. the visuals are pretty good. the lighting in some scenes (like the gloink queen dungeon) is actually really fricking pretty, and it's clearly got genuine artistic design and effort put in. so what if the plots are nothing? it's a feast for the eyes and that's fine sometimes. not everything has to be profound. imo it doesn't qualify as slop because there's some genuine effort and time investment going on. nobody's really sleepwalking the creation of it, though i wouldn't call it fantastically written. but that's fine- the visuals are good and it's free.
            (no, i hate marvel shit and i think it's creatively bankrupt and visually hideous)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Like I said, it's not slop. Banban is slop. ADC is amateur, is the best way to describe it. It's a bunch of guys trying their best and making something decent but it's also clear that they could benefit from someone with actual experience taking the wheel. They need a director who knows how to polish a finished product, in all regards. Which is a rare find even for actual animation studios.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >instead of being forgotten like Garten of Banban
            The Japanese and Koreans didn't forget about it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Really? I mean, I know they love their cute monsters, but Banban? Really?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am going to admit characters are kinda endearing. Not saying the game is good, just that the characters are a little cute.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >forgotten like Garten of Banban

            Banban is a forced meme and even acts like it, repeatedly posting itself over and over and over until someone inevitably gives it attention. That's why it's gotten multiple episodes despite apparently no one watching it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >episodes
              >watching
              you don’t actually know what banban is do you?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don’t actually know what banban is do you?
                and that’s a good thing!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not when you act like you do.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ADC's success is mostly from tapping into the mascot horror genre.

            I'd also contribute a lot of it to GlitchTech's giant shill machine.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, TADC was 30 times bigger than Glitch's next biggest thing. They didn't have a "giant shill machine".

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the audience is COMPLETELY unaware there's a problem as opposed to being aware of the problem but unable to articulate it then there's no problem.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite.
    Just saying certain aspects of something are bad is not a valid criticism you need to explain why they're bad. I'm not even a fan of TADC but you need to actually explain yourself.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life.
    It was never supposed to be good.
    >The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible,
    You're getting to the point. The entire thing is just an animation excercise. Some people like it for what it is. They're mostly kids.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because a piece of media is bad or heavily flawed doesn’t mean that it isn’t watchable

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are constant clipping errors and similar animation problems. Zero effort went into this show.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure the show has flaws, but you need to be suffering from dunning kruger pretty hard to actually think like OP.

    This is the type of opinion you get if you nitpick while being incapable of understanding what makes a show good.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cranky cuz you can't enjoy things anymore and have to rage bait on boards anon?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The writing
    Is alright. Mostly quips, Caine is nonsensical but he's a mad god so that's fine.
    >the set design
    Is deliberately bizarre, reminiscent of an incomplete video game. You are incompetent if you cannot grasp that.
    >the camera work
    Is excellent. They follow pretty much every rule. Why would you think they fail at this?
    >the dialogue
    Is serviceable. Again, mostly quips, but that's fine, it's a dark humor series and Pomni isn't ready to show more of herself yet.
    >the pacing
    Has no problems whatsoever. They let the existential dread breathe and they go from humor beat to humor beat with appropriate swiftness. Do you want them to linger on jokes with fricking drum stings and an unamused stare at the camera?

    In short your standards are misaligned. Is it a perfect show? No. Is it a bad show? Absolutely not. Should it be "one of the worst cartoons you've ever seen in your entire life"? Unquestionably no.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main thing OP needs to take away from this is what makes something bad, and it isn't any specific set of rules (not that he's properly invoking any).
      A bad show fails to entertain, bad writing fails to engage the audience, bad art breaks suspension of disbelief, bad camera work is confusing and distracting. Even when people don't know WHY one of these elements is failing their brain picks up on it. That isn't happening with TADC.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A bad show fails to entertain
        That's wrong. There are plenty of below average shows that are entertaining, especially for kids or people with low media literacy. Not Op btw.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they entertain they are by definition not bad. They are accomplishing their explicit goal. You have autism.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If they entertain they are by definition not bad
            So everything is good then? There is not a single bad cartoon since there is a braindead child that likes it. Glad that we have solved this problem.
            >You have autism.
            >ad hominem
            I accept your concession.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Artistic quality is objective and exists independent of observers
              You have autism.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >argument by repetition
                *yawn* Anyways your argument contradicts your first post here

                The main thing OP needs to take away from this is what makes something bad, and it isn't any specific set of rules (not that he's properly invoking any).
                A bad show fails to entertain, bad writing fails to engage the audience, bad art breaks suspension of disbelief, bad camera work is confusing and distracting. Even when people don't know WHY one of these elements is failing their brain picks up on it. That isn't happening with TADC.

                which uses the hypothesis that a "bad show" exists. I feel like arguing with children.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aaaaand now playground insults are being lobbed at me, I'm being gaslit and called schizophrenic. Damn, this is unhinged.

                What part of "The characters talk AT each other" did you not understand, anon? There is no banter, the dialogue 95% of the time is someone saying something and then it's either ignored or the camera cuts. Watch the show. Pomni calling Jax an butthole and having him not respond to her to talk about a bazooka instead isn't banter. Call me nitpicking, autistic, moron, etc. You're just lying at this point about what the conversations actually flow like.

                [...]
                TADC has good visual gags, this is one of them. It properly shows that Jax is stuck in this world but does not necessarily have to follow its rules. The entire middle of this episode is using visual gags to advance the plot. (Unfortunately, bad writing and inert pacing means it's ruined immediately) But overall? I don't think the show uses the 3D style to its fullest potential, and the gags are few and far between.

                [...]
                I'm only gonna respond to you talking about the camera work, because you haven't justified anything and have just said "IT'S NAWT TROO!" Almost every shot in TADC is static, I mean the camera rarely does more than a simple pan, it never rotates or zooms or does anything but stay completely still or shake a bit. In a scene like meeting the candy princess, it works to have her be framed in front of her castle in a basic wide shot. In the main Circus room, it makes sense to have stable, zoomed out views of the place, since it's supposed to be large and empty and imposing. But there are times where all I want is for the camera to rotate, adjust the FoV, do something besides stay still. Once again, Watch. The. Show.

                [...]
                It's so heavily filtered for the first 2/3rds of the scene that I didn't even notice it on my sound system the first time. Not the own you think it is.

                >If they entertain they are by definition not bad
                So everything is good then? There is not a single bad cartoon since there is a braindead child that likes it. Glad that we have solved this problem.
                >You have autism.
                >ad hominem
                I accept your concession.

                You took it too far, OP.
                Your goal is to look like a genuine autist not a blatant troll.
                4/10 you had em in the beginning but failed to show restraint.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The first and third one are me not OP. Also
                >everything I don't like is bait
                but I guess this is a clever escape since your arguments were moronic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If they entertain they are by definition not bad.
            Skibidi Toilet entertains. It's still not a measurement of good writing or good content creation. You need to have some things be good and bad in order to create a foundation for other storytellers to reference by. That doesn't mean things need to fall into a mold, but there's a reason why writing classes tend to teach the same lessons.

            It's like saying, "There's no such thing as bad art!". No, there totally is. If your intent was to draw a human and you failed on every count and it's a horrible scribble, then it's bad art. Intention is also important alongside entertainment.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is no such thing as bad art
              Artistic quality is subjective
              There is art that objectively fails to meet certain goals or intentions or fails to follow best practices, but that is not the same thing as having some intrinsic and objective property of "being bad"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no such thing as bad art
                There is, already explained it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, the idiom "so bad, it's good" exists.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              'So bad, it's good' is used by people who enjoy something that other people don't like and want to stay in the crowd. It is possible to like things for what they are, even if they aren't objectively good, or get invested in things that other people aren't invested in. Some people like eating burgers with peanut butter and fried eggs on them. Others think that is disgusting and weird.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can't say I agree. Yeah, there is a lot of bad media that people can enjoy for their good aspects(we all have at least one), but you also have media that's only popular because of how bad they are. These people don't care about anything good a work has. They only want to see the dumpster fire. This is not necessarily a bad thing, some creators try to bank off of this. However, if a creator never intended for their work to be enjoyed in such a manner, it begs the question of whether their work actually succeeded or failed to entertain. It all depends on perspective.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >omagah worst cartoon ever
    I guess someone didn't see Allen Gregory

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The character writing in this is unironically better than TADC

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pomni being stretched isn't a gag and doesn't work!
    Is that why it's the single most shared screenshot/clip in the entire episode?

    At a certain point you need to recognize the difference between "it's bad" and "I don't like it."

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to point out; the stretching scene has sound and music. I don't know what OP is talking about.

    ?t=381

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Op is moronic/a troll, the real issue with this scene is that them catching up to the other truck is not telegraphed at all and just comes out of nowhere. The visual communication in this show is very clunky and confusing at points, a lot of the time the camera angle is very awkward and doesn't focus on what we're supposed to be focusing on in a coherent way and there are a lot of baffling instances of sequences just not making sense/producing an uncanny awkward feeling because you know what they're trying to do but it isn't being executed competently so you're alienated

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like it but I think some of the existential dread comes too fast and feels unearned. Characters go from confused to "nothing means anything I can't remember my mom's face" very quickly and it's so played up that it lacks emotional impact for me. It's trying a bit too hard and should go for more subtlety.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tbh the 2nd episode was just pretty boring for me. I will see how the 3rd one will go.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i have seen worse

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look here girl pants, it wasnt THAT bad remember THIS?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and when you try to educate them
    Oh, eat ass.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people still responding
    You're just encouraging him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say that I have nothing else to do, but it is getting late. Best to end it on a high note, I suppose.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look at what this butthole is doing. He realizes he can't actually argue against my prior complaints so he hones in on the one that's a bit rocky and makes it as though my "appreciation" is not a standard. I show him two examples - both of which are from series which are borderline identical to TADC - and he ignores that to instead throw out meaningless terminology like "axiomatic" and "supernal" because he needs to appear like he knows better than me. I'm not some industry expert, but I know what makes a show rendered in 3D fun, and I don't see that in TADC. Look at him now, he's rolling up EVERYTHING I've see ITT and is now just saying "You have bad taste," another meaningless statement.

    TADC has flaws, and it has strengths. Its best moments are when it uses the nostalgic environments and good lighting to convey the feeling of being lost in a strange world. It does not go out of its way to do this because surrounding moments like pic related is a bunch of low effort slop for kids and people who will accept the absolute bare minimum. I'd rather take a mediocre cartoon which just exists over something with potential to be great which squanders it at every opportunity.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and he ignores that to instead throw out meaningless terminology like "axiomatic" and "supernal" because he needs to appear like he knows better than me
      ESL?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm not some industry expert
      Yet, you think it's your place to "educate" tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people (or at least the small fraction of which that visits Cinemaphile) why they're wrong for liking a thing.
      I refer you to

      >and when you try to educate them
      Oh, eat ass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And look, while I'm all for liminality, noclipping, debug rooms, all these nice nods to videogames and existential zoomer horror tropes... This scene looks bad. It is not nearly as dread-inducing as the Resident Evil / Backrooms sequence from the pilot, because the environment is too simple, there is too much negative space, it is very low-effort and outside of the characters' overanimated expressions I feel like anyone could have made something like this with basic tools.

        Yes, you are wrong for unflinchingly liking Digital Circus, and you are an butthole for responding to criticism by flinging insults, misrepresenting arguments and overall acting like a child.

        Personally I'm just pissed off that instead of expanding upon our main cast, Episode 2 introduced a new one and flanderized two pre-existing ones in the process (Ragatha and Jax), while basically ignoring the existence of two others (Kinger and Gangle) and *literally* choosing to not have the remaining member even be involved in the plot (Zooble). If that isn't creativite bankruptcy IDK what is.

        >The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite. Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series, and when you try to educate them, they don't care

        Try me. Break down exactly what's wrong with the
        >writing
        >set design
        >camera work
        >dialogue
        >pacing
        so we can all learn.

        Read the thread, anon. I put effort into my posts, you can put effort into skimming.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you are wrong for unflinchingly liking Digital Circus
          Maybe it's the early-Gen Z heightened level of background autism talking, but what does "unflinchingly" mean in this context? That if someone asked if I liked it, I wouldn't hesitate to say "yes"? That doesn't mean I'm a fanboy, that just means whatever flaws there are don't ruin my enjoyment of the series.
          >responding to criticism by flinging insults, misrepresenting arguments
          See, maybe I haven't thoroughly read every single post of yours, but so far, it seems like you're trying to make the flaws that ruined it for (You) ruin it for everyone else.
          >flanderized two pre-existing ones in the process (Ragatha and Jax)
          Can you really call it "Flanderization" if it's only been two (2) episodes so far and we have no idea what their character arcs will look like? Ragatha's wholesome in both episodes, Jax is a dick in both episodes. At worst, you can call that a lack of character development, except it's still only two episodes. It's like tracing a line graph with only two data points.
          >basically ignoring the existence of two others (Kinger and Gangle)
          See, here's an example of a flaw that doesn't take me out of it. Could they have done more with their B-plot? Yeah, probably. Am I dissatisfied with what we got? Not really. I'll concede that Ep2 is the weaker of the two, but only by a little -- the funeral scene and Pomni's own character development helped out a lot.
          >*literally* choosing to not have the remaining member even be involved in the plot (Zooble)
          Oh, speaking of. Sure, the funeral might've just been an excuse to get around not thinking of something interesting for ol' Zoobie to do, but it worked. I'll take a main character's development at the expense of the weakest (sorry, Zooblefrens) side-character's presence, I think that's a more-than-fair trade offer.
          You have a lot of TADC pics saved for someone who doesn't like the show, by the way...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Slowly reading through this and this might be by far the most incorrect and moronic thing I've read here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm not some industry expert
      You're not an industry layman either
      You're completely ignorant

      OP is 100% American, because that is the land of "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OP is 100% American
        Hello Europoor

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ass mad vivziepop homie spotted

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite. Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series, and when you try to educate them, they don't care

    Try me. Break down exactly what's wrong with the
    >writing
    >set design
    >camera work
    >dialogue
    >pacing
    so we can all learn.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series,
    it's fun.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All of this is terrible
    Why
    >it's so obvious you have to be moronic to not see it, so I won't tell you

    Frick off
    Verification not required.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >THING BAD
    Why is thing bad?
    >THING BAD BECAUSE IT DOES THING
    Why is that bad?
    >THING IS BAD BECAUSE IT IS BAD
    I disagree.
    Did summarize this thread well enough for you to stop making it over and over again?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    harrison ford as a thread

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Genuinely confused why people are entering this thread, scrolling past almost a dozen effortposts critiquing the show, and just acting like I said TADC was bad without elaborating at all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Attention-Deficit Circus crowd are about what you'd expect.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On the off-chance that you actually are just a guy-level sperg:
      Your opinions are not backed by anything solid, they are simply based on your feelings. This is sixth-grade english shit, anon. When trying to make a persuasive argument you can't just say "X happened and it was Y," you have to actually explain WHY it's Y.
      You are simply making naked assertions about some kind of universal quality standard that are unsupported and, when the gap is bridged by a knowledgeable reader, utterly laughable.

      Also you're just kind of a condescending twat, which is made doubly bad by how clearly you lack any kind of film education or vocabulary.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Your opinions are not backed by anything solid, they are simply based on your feelings
        No, they are backed by now over a dozen posts which go into problems I have with the show. Stop fricking ignoring it, you are all doing this. I bring up a criticism, you ignore it. That's been the entire thread so far. I justify my critique, you ignore it more. Just like I established in the OP, you proved me right with your own actions. The rest of your post is literal gaslighting and crybullying.

        >You are simply making naked assertions about some kind of universal quality standard that are unsupported and, when the gap is bridged by a knowledgeable reader, utterly laughable.

        Midwit tier rhetoric, accuse me of saying nothing in my analysis of TADC while saying nothing in response, yourself.

        If we flip the script to ask what was ADDITIVE about Episode 2 it becomes apparent there's barely anything there. To act as though waiting until Episode 3 means you can't criticize things like the princess being absent, Zooble being absent, multiple characters turning flat, and the whole plot being a "Gotcha!" means you must have the wool over your eyes by pure choice and choice alone.

        >Pop culture deserves to be analyzed critically and taken down a peg.
        It sounds like you just have a bias against things that are popular.

        You are 12 years old. Go ahead, post the Kirby picture. "Hating popular things doesn't make you interesting." Use that in place of a real argument.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >stop ignoring my posts
          We're not. They're incomplete. If I were grading a student's persuasive essay I'd give them a C for failing to support their points in any capacity. And no "this other show has this angle" is not a supporting example. You have a common fundamental flaw in your writing that most middle school students deal with.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm gonna sum up 10 issues I have spoken about in this very thread that you, right here in this reply of yours ignored.

            1) The dialogue is too focused on carrying the plot forward to actually let the characters speak to one another believably
            2) Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
            3) Establishing shots are far too long and lack any interesting cinematography, and because of this it feels like just staring at assets
            4) Inter-character dynamics aren't really given room to breathe. Pomni and Ragatha don't feel like they have any real relationship, any more than Jax and Zooble.
            5) The plot is laid out and then told back to the viewer like they're fricking stupid, multiple times, and characters often speak what is literally happening on-screen.
            6) Multiple textures are muddy, limbs clip unintentionally into surfaces and there are certain scenes which look jarringly basic for such a "premium" animation job.
            7) Certain gags have the potential to be funny or at least interesting but, much like the jokes characters tell, are too rigid and deliberate to work in their contexts
            8) Most of the cast has not developed or even been expounded upon by the end of Episode 2, because the series needs to drive home how nothing really matters
            9) The videogame references in Ep. 2 feel phoned-in and cheap compared to how they are in the pilot (same goes for the episode's overall tone)
            10) The lighting and color choices do not complement the art style in the vast, overwhelming amount of shots.

            I could say more, but these are general obserations. I've given specific critique, but you don't seem to give a frick, just like you ignore my few points of praise and miss the point.

            >Use that in place of a real argument
            I'm not arguing with you, I'm making an observation. Saying how you want to "take pop culture down a peg" sounds like you have a grudge against popular things implicitly.

            >I am le above everything but I am also superior to you and you are le wrong about everything
            Brainrot made manifest.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm gonna restate the things I think are problems without explaining why they are problems
              Cool, you've failed utterly to parse the very simple thing being said to you.
              Enjoy no one ever taking anything you have to say seriously. I'm sure you'll seethe and turn further inwards instead of addressing the problems with your prose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >TL;DR "Okay fine, I got BTFO, but it's still not enough for me to admit fault"
                Cool, you've failed utterly to realize you ignored the whole thread and are steeling yourself in smug ad hominem pretending I'm just another hater who hates le popular thing.
                I'm not gonna humor this, you c**t. Frick you. I have spent my entire morning explaining myself, and you've just insulted and dismissed my criticisms. When faced with evidence, you claim I now need to try harder. Why don't you try harder yourself, give praise and R E F U T E anything I've said instead of saying my "prose" is problematic? You wanted an argument, you weren't making gay little observations, but you're too much of a b***h to back up the show you like so much.

                If your next post isn't actually substantive then I choose to believe you're only in here to rile me up and waste my time. After all, that's all anyone in here has done, because there is no discussion being had and points are not being engaged with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I refuse to reckon with the fact that my posts are not actually substantive and will now cry
                >A BLOO BLOO BLOO BLOO

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm sure you'll seethe and turn further inwards instead of addressing the problems with your prose.

                >TL;DR "Okay fine, I got BTFO, but it's still not enough for me to admit fault"
                Cool, you've failed utterly to realize you ignored the whole thread and are steeling yourself in smug ad hominem pretending I'm just another hater who hates le popular thing.
                I'm not gonna humor this, you c**t. Frick you. I have spent my entire morning explaining myself, and you've just insulted and dismissed my criticisms. When faced with evidence, you claim I now need to try harder. Why don't you try harder yourself, give praise and R E F U T E anything I've said instead of saying my "prose" is problematic? You wanted an argument, you weren't making gay little observations, but you're too much of a b***h to back up the show you like so much.

                If your next post isn't actually substantive then I choose to believe you're only in here to rile me up and waste my time. After all, that's all anyone in here has done, because there is no discussion being had and points are not being engaged with.

                >seethes, doesn't address the problems with his prose, turns further inwards
                It's like I'm psychic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You should email the glitch team your thoughts anon, with your proven experience and expertise in making shows and stories I'm sure they will be eager to apply this feedback. With your wise words, TADC will transform from one of the worst animated shows of all time, to one of the best.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If ur so smart why don't you email them so they can rewrite da whole show?

                You heard it here first folks! All criticism of a popular piece of media is literally invalid and does not even need to be addressed nor refuted unless the person making their critique personally convinces the creators to change their project, as if that has ever in the entire course of human history been a thing that's happened.

                You think a nihilistic cartoon with one-dimensional characters which barely develop, with plots that are started and finished without any real payoff, full of borderline schizophrenic pacing and failed attempts is humor, being mas marketed as the new gold standard in animation by people who have previously made nothing but slop, is anything less than perfect? Well, you're just whining, you're just nitpicking, and the ball is definitely NOT in my court because you're just wrong!!!

                And look, two posts later and they're still behaving this way! Acting smug and pretending nothing I say matters! After all, nothing matters in Digital Circus!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IF IT SMELLS LIKE SHIT EVERYWHERE YOU GO IT'S TIME TO CHECK YOUR SHOES

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >2) Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
              what the frick does that MEAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, so the things I say have to MEAN something now!? I have to explain why the things I don't like are bad on an instead of just asserting they're bad as if my opinions were universal? WELL FRICK YOU YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ME MAD AND IGNORING ME

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, so the things I say have to MEAN something now!? I have to explain why the things I don't like are bad on an instead of just asserting they're bad as if my opinions were universal? WELL FRICK YOU YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ME MAD AND IGNORING ME

                >OP has repeatedly failed to explain why any of the things he thinks are negatives are, in fact, negatives. He is relying purely on projecting his own opinions as objective universal fact.
                >DAS NOT TRUE HE GAVE EXAMPLES OF THINGS HE THINKS ARE BAD

                The premise of the show is a mystery. Pomni is in a strange world and has to figure out where she is. She knows there are npcs but that the other circus members might have some level of reality behind them. Why else would Ragatha be so committed to calming her down? Is Jax just coping with his situation? By the end of the pilot, she learns there are layers to this world, but that trying to assess the extent of it is futile because her "friends" are more intent on just accepting purgatory. Episode 2 could have answered any of the questions lingering from the pilot, but instead it introduces a new character in an attempt to humanize the NPCs... even though the pilot already did this? Sure, it wasn't as explicit and Pomni ended up growing, but between introducing a lame new setting, having a boring action scene and adding in a monster that just sort of exists, nothing happens in this episode. I have stated mulitple times now, that Kinger, Zooble and Gangle all just *EXIST* in this episode. It has been accepted by the fandom that episode 2 ruined Jax by just making him more of a prick, so much so that Goose noticed this and will likely adjust his personality in future episodes because of the backlash. Still, Ragatha hasn't changed, we know nothing about Caine or Bubble, or the world outside, or the game itself, it was just a means to make a developer room joke and kill off a character the audience was lulled into liking. If the creators barely even understand or want to bother with explaining the mystery surrounding the circus (including Caine, but here I more so mean GLITCH themselves) and would rather rugpull their audience while having characters mope and stand around, what is the actual incentive to watch this series? How can (You) prove that it's worthwhile and that Episode 3 will not just be more of the same, perhaps with a little cliffhanger to keep those kids hooked? It is for these reasons that the show is insincere.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the premise of the show is solving the mystery of the circus
                >setting and premise are identical
                but that's wrong.
                Does this shit really all boil down to you thinking this was going to be about the lore of the Digital Circus and not the characters and situations?

                Holy shit are you the sperg that was mad Hazbin was a loose musical sitcom instead of having its runtime focused on the textual goal of redeeming sinners

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I make a post specifically to go into extreme detail and appease your imbalanced request just for you to respond with a disingenous reply (on top of accusing me of being an unrelated schizo?) then I can only conclude you want to depress or demoralize me. You got what you wanted, I don't really know what to say anymore, all I can hope is that I got through to at least someone and that you're hopefully just shitposting for attention.

                MFer really went "You need to expand upon your point" and then when he got that he ignored the whole post anyways because he thinks I'm someone else. Grim.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                take your meds

                not OP, but sure, i can do that

                >1) The dialogue is too focused on carrying the plot forward to actually let the characters speak to one another believably
                in a series about normal people trapped in the roles of cartoon characters, having said normal people talk with eachother and acting like actual human beings would actually reinforce the feeling of confusion those characters feel in a world they dont belong in, making the existential dread parts more impactful.

                >2) Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
                I cant honestly understand what OP is trying to say here, but i guess he's kinda got a point. No matter how perfect your worldbuilding is, if its developed poorly through the story, its not enough to save it from its other flaws, and even if it was actually developed in a good way, it still wouldnt be enough to compensate for all the other parts of a bad story

                >3) Establishing shots are far too long and lack any interesting cinematography, and because of this it feels like just staring at assets.
                Having sequences that drag on more than they should makes bad pacing

                >4) Inter-character dynamics aren't really given room to breathe. Pomni and Ragatha don't feel like they have any real relationship, any more than Jax and Zooble.
                the bare minimum a good writer has to do with his characters is actually use them to their full potential. This also applies to point 8 of OP's issues with the show

                >5) The plot is laid out and then told back to the viewer like they're fricking stupid, multiple times, and characters often speak what is literally happening on-screen.
                "show not tell" is basic advice any writer has heard at least once in their life.

                The other points are about animation/graphic quality, and if i need to actually explain to you why animation errors and bad textures are a bad thing, then you are completely moronad

                Oh, I'm sorry, when you said "he gave examples" I thought you meant the actual examples of things that happened and not unsupported conclusions and actual tautologies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, what is your fricking problem? The thread is now full of supporting evidence to the OP and you're calling arguments that you SPECIFICALLY asked for "tautologies?" Do you even like Digital Circus? All of your posts could be placed in any other topic and look the same, because you refuse to even invoke the show anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, seriously anon, if you went into this show thinking it was going to be a deep dive into the mysteries of its world just stop watching now and go find a 500 episode podcast to obsess over instead.
                This show is about its characters and wacky situations in the world, not about how the world got to be what it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally moving the goalposts and dodging the question AND being reductionist all at the same time because you have no counter-argument.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but I would've been upset hazbin wasnt a musical about redeeming sinners instead of a dumb sitcom if vivzie hadn't already turned a show about imps for hire into moronic relationship drama.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >instead it introduces a new character in an attempt to humanize the NPCs... even though the pilot already did this
                Gummigoo was not introduced to humanize NPCs, he was the catalyst that made Pomni appreciate how she's not alone in being trapped in the circus.
                >having a boring action scene and adding in a monster that just sort of exists
                I thought the monster and the car chase were funny, personally.
                >Kinger, Zooble and Gangle all just *EXIST* in this episode
                It's episode 2, they'll have their moments eventually.
                >we know nothing about Caine or Bubble, or the world outside, or the game itself
                You sure are impatient.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ive spent the past hour or 40 minutes reading almost this entire thread

              I think OP is mostly correct in a lot of his arguments, some I think personally are right "halfway" but I personally would think of something else the other half way (If that makes sense)

              A lot of the backlash that OP gets seems to be fans who, usually, cannot bring up a sound argument against OP, and it borderline feels like the equievelant of a MAUler vs twitter comments argument in a lot of aspects.

              There are a lot more things to critique other than the camera work and the very questionable stretching scene that went on for too long, not really sure why that argument went on for as long as it did. I think people should somewhat agree that the camerawork should have added 'spice' to it.
              >Nta but it becomes BLAND. The majority of cartoons have BLAND camera. Very rarely you have ones with bad camerawork.
              It gets bland if you have static camera shots, dunno why thats a controversial statement.

              My biggest issue with Episode 2 is how, out of place, it felt for a TV show type series. Episode 1 did good at this I think, but by Episode 2 it felt very off. The dialogue, relationships (Pomni and Ragatha as said), Jax felt, different in a weird way.
              Perhaps the issue is the show is for some reason, rushing things along?

              [...]
              [...]
              The premise of the show is a mystery. Pomni is in a strange world and has to figure out where she is. She knows there are NPCs but that the other circus members might have some level of reality behind them. Why else would Ragatha be so committed to calming her down? Is Jax just coping with his situation? By the end of the pilot, she learns there are layers to this world, but that trying to assess the extent of it is futile because her "friends" are more intent on just accepting purgatory. Episode 2 could have answered any of the questions lingering from the pilot, but instead it introduces a new character in an attempt to humanize the NPCs... even though the pilot already did this? Sure, it wasn't as explicit and Pomni ended up growing, but between introducing a lame new setting, having a boring action scene and adding in a monster that just sort of exists, nothing happens in this episode. I have stated mulitple times now, that Kinger, Zooble and Gangle all just *EXIST* in this episode. It has been accepted by the fandom that episode 2 ruined Jax by just making him more of a prick, so much so that Goose noticed this and will likely adjust his personality in future episodes because of the backlash. Still, Ragatha hasn't changed, we know nothing about Caine or Bubble, or the world outside, or the game itself, it was just a means to make a developer room joke and kill off a character the audience was lulled into liking. If the creators barely even understand or want to bother with explaining the mystery surrounding the circus (including Caine, but here I more so mean GLITCH themselves) and would rather rugpull their audience while having characters mope and stand around, what is the actual incentive to watch this series? How can (You) prove that it's worthwhile and that Episode 3 will not just be more of the same, perhaps with a little cliffhanger to keep those kids hooked? It is for these reasons that the show is insincere.

              This kinda sums it up. Yeah.

              Sadly im not very good at typing sentences like OP is, sorry about that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/9BPYVhQ.png

                This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life. Its popularity should genuinely worry people for the future of the medium.

                To actually go into depth about its flaws requires so much effort precisely because people are willingly ignoring those issues to sincerely engage with even bigger problems.

                The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite. Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series, and when you try to educate them, they don't care, at best they say you're just being a contrarian and that they can't wait for the new episode.

                I’d just personally like to thank OP for putting into (many, many) words exactly what I felt was “off” about TADC from only watching the pilot. Of the many flaws listed, the main ones are definitely the camerawork and cinematography (bland, poor staging, not motivated by what’s happening) and the character interactions.
                Really, amateurish is the best way to describe it.
                It has the semblance of an entertaining, well thought out show, but just falls flat outside of character design, which is the main reason I believe children (most of the people replying to the OP) have matched onto it.
                OP, you have not wasted your time and your detailed posts have been much appreciated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Samegayging trying to bait a reply so the thread will bump

                Wasnt the whole point of the 2nd episode the fact that pomni is the only character acting as a human stuck in the digital wolrd?, her whole problem is that shr thinks the other humans have already lost their empathy and became larpers who dont care about their previous lives. This is the payoff of the funeral scene, showing they are not one dimensional fun gag characters but real people who are just.... kinda insane for being here too long

                >Falling for stale bait

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The idea that you would enter a thread specifically to suck off the OP is kind of endearing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah true.

                >Samegayging trying to bait a reply so the thread will bump
                [...]
                >Falling for stale bait

                Not really. im seeing a lot of people disagree with OP, trying to get him to know that there are people who agree with him and aren't your usual Cinemaphile who will eat up colorful goyslop

                The idea that you would enter a thread specifically to suck off the OP is kind of endearing

                >The idea that you would enter a thread specifically to suck off the OP is kind of endearing
                The idea there were about 10-20 or more people in here who entered the thread to try and change somebodies opinion on something they are willing to go back to time and time again to post paragraph long responses

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >colorful goyslop
                Building the Third Temple in your head sacrifice-free aside, you have to be cynical enough to make George Carlin cringe to describe TADC as "slop." Like it or not, you'd need to put in a lot of effort to make a case that no effort---or even love for the creative process---went into this show.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh no dont get me wrong, theres certaintly talent that has gone into it. Skibidi toilet has effort that goes into it, so does Star Wars, or Marvel, or Transformers. Doesnt stop it from almost always being a type of slop meant to make money.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Skibidi toilet has effort that goes into it
                Yeah, it's a high-quality shitpost series that takes almost nothing it does seriously.
                >Star Wars
                >Marvel
                >Transformers
                These are all massive franchises that have lasted for decades and the original creators of which all either have zilch to do with the current product, or are dead. The difference between these three things and TADC is that the originators of TADC still have complete control over the IP. The same is true for Skibidi Toilet, but again, that's a shitpost and the ongoing series' story seems to be made up as it goes, whereas TADC has some sort of vision behind it. My point is, I'm a bit lost as to what you define "slop" to be.
                >Doesnt stop it from almost always being a type of slop meant to make money
                So it's "slop" because the creators are... profiting off of it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm saying it's slop because it's always really bad media that has a bunch of effort put into it. Nobody but empty people like these movies. they gain a lot of money, have a high quality budget, but in the end are just shit. That's the amazing digital circus

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's always really bad media that has a bunch of effort put into it
                Well, that's about the most mystifying thing I read all week. No, ALL media has a bunch of effort behind it. Even a found-footage horror movie, filmed on a point-and-shoot from 2005 and with all the budget of a west-coast panhandler, needs to put effort into making the supernatural seem plausible. I'm not saying effort equals quality, I'm just perplexed as to what your media philosophy even is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're an autistic moron who wants to argue specifics about something because you like Zoomer slop made by people trying to make a quick buck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think you're an autistic moron
                Oh, cool, we've met!
                >made by people trying to make a quick buck
                People gotta eat? At least they're making a buck by making something people... y'know, like, and not just running an endless AI livestream of random preexisting characters farting around in the "I Spy" palace interior. THAT would be slop, by my estimation.

                This homie needs people to bloviate about their personal media philosophy because he can't concede that popular things tend to routinely be devoid of meaning regardless of how many people praise it to high heavens for being deep and introspective.

                This homie thinks the very notion that Pomni mugging the camera at least twice a minute is mystifying. As in only a mystic trained on poring over ancient texts could comprehend the sheer scale of autism required to make such an insane claim. Truly a baffling conundrum thing to opine.

                This homie likens an ironic MK Ultra parody conveniently funded by the Australian government to someone making an amateur film on their camcorder pre-YouTube, pre-monetization, pre-SEO, pre-everything that we have to deal with today in order to not have people instantly click off.

                This homie implies "effort does not equal quality" but if you say it explicitly he starts having conniptions. Oops, quiet part's out loud again, can't have that, big no-no!

                >can't concede that popular things tend to routinely be devoid of meaning
                I was partially conceding that---more concurring, really---with the Star Wars/Marvel/Transformers comparison, in that they're decades-old properties and whatever creative spark inspired them was lost a long time ago in a galaxy far, far a-- sorry to corporate re-shuffling. The same cannot be said for TADC.
                >This homie thinks the very notion that Pomni mugging the camera at least twice a minute is mystifying
                The frick did any part of that come from? Genuine question: did you skip words while writing this?
                >Truly a baffling conundrum thing to opine
                I see...
                >an ironic MK Ultra parody conveniently funded by the Australian government
                I thought there were too many American hands on the project to qualify for Aussie gov funding. Also, what?
                >to someone making an amateur film on their camcorder
                I only brought that up to make a point about effort in media, in that even the most slapped-together YouTube Poop of a movie requires decisions to be made and effort going into the product. And aaaaaaall the frick of that was to make a point about what I would consider "slop:" media calculated to generate maximum rewards for minimum effort. I might be naïve, but I don't think that applies to TADC.
                >implies "effort does not equal quality" but if you say it explicitly he starts having conniptions
                Does this whole post count as a conniption, then?
                See, this is the opposite of slop, because I'm putting way too much effort into this and I expect my only reward is being called a homosexual.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People gotta eat? At least they're making a buck by making something people... y'know, like, and not just running an endless AI livestream of random preexisting characters farting around in the "I Spy" palace interior. THAT would be slop, by my estimation.
                I think you people are so autistic you fail to understand why making bad shows that get popular is bad. If you have bad media, you society and art degrades.

                If you dont understand the last part then i get why OP has so many morons in his replies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop pretending you're a different moron with all the same opinions, misunderstandings, and writing style
                It's beyond pathetic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am different and im freaking awesome 😀

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >making bad shows that get popular is bad
                You're talking as if TADC is intentionally bad---not even in a funny way, just cynically shat out like that AI livestream concept because it's calculated to play the algorithm like a 12-year-old with high-functioning autism plays Tetris.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Once again flipping the argument around entirely and then going on a tangent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I get the impression you think I'm multiple people...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats not what im saying. Im saying that people shouldnt be rallying around the show because its bad. Where did I say it was intentionally bad?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Where did I say it was intentionally bad?
                Ever listen to the Mighty Mighty Bosstones? Because that's The Impression That I Get from "making bad shows that get popular is bad."
                Wow, that was lame...
                >people shouldnt be rallying around the show because its bad
                For the sake of clarity: is it bad, or do you just not like it? Yes, those are different things, in case you were confused.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its bad. Its not that I didnt like it. (Which im on the middle about) its that its bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An independent internet show succeeded by positive reception is the same as a half a Billion dollar Marvel production
                I fricking hate this piece of shit dishonest board.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funded by the Australian government, just like Bluey.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funded by Glitch's merch sales, the Australian government only had a direct hand in Glitch's earlier shows Sunset Paradise and Meta Runner, and the first (few? two? i forget) episodes of Murder Drones.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An ""independent"" internet show sets the standard (AS OP HAS SAID) down lower and lower

                Just like THE MAJORITY OF MOVIES AND SHOWS TO COME OUT WITHIN THE PAST 20 YEARS!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For the sake of comparison, that's like comparing AAA slop to a doujin effort. Both are vidya, but they're apples and oranges. The same applies here.

                It's funded by the Australian government, just like Bluey.

                See, this is fair enough but I bougt Straya has Disney-frick-you-levels of money.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >MFW doujin effort does better than AAA most of the time in the modern day

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't disagree at all with this, I tend to enjoy doujin and indie efforts more than AAA as of late, and tech getting better is allowing smaller people better access to tools. I hope this means the return of AA, too, something balanced instead of wastes of marketing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hi OP

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im not OP sadly )::

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and it borderline feels like the equievelant of a MAUler vs twitter comments argument in a lot of aspects

                Fans can't argue because they see these problems and reach outside the presented materials into their own thoughts to make excuses:
                >Jax is an butthole and pointlessly so not because of bad writing and pandering to find a 'bart' character, it's because he is actually Satan sewing doubt to Cain's YHWH!
                >Molly Coddle is a rape victim! Back off?!?
                >King was the original programmer and Caine is his creation! That's why they play the constant memory loss jokes!
                >Pommi has autism(like me!!!) and that's why her dialogue is so unnatural!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fans are mostly enjoying what exists of the show right now, because that's all that there is. You're making up strawmen to be angry at because a show with 2 episodes doesn't completely satisfy your every arbitrary demand and whim for what you believe the show is supposed to be or what you believe it is trying to be, even though it's only just recently put out a second episode.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
              What the hell does this mean? I swear ever since the debut of SU Cinemaphile just has gotten worse and worse.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >1) The dialogue is too focused on carrying the plot forward to actually let the characters speak to one another believably
              That's common is shows that have a plot, rather than slice-of-life type shows.

              >2) Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
              Meaningless statement. The premise is only used to make people watch the show.

              >3) Establishing shots are far too long and lack any interesting cinematography, and because of this it feels like just staring at assets
              So what.

              >4) Inter-character dynamics aren't really given room to breathe. Pomni and Ragatha don't feel like they have any real relationship, any more than Jax and Zooble.
              Pomni and Ragatha have known each other a day, so that's normal. Also Pomni had to deal with randomly coming to this world and someone abstracting, so she hasn't had much time to make friends.

              >5) The plot is laid out and then told back to the viewer like they're fricking stupid, multiple times, and characters often speak what is literally happening on-screen.
              That's called a character explaining things to others. Caine explains how his game works, the Candy Princess explains what she needs them to do, Jax explains how he's going to be a jerk to annoy Ragatha.

              >6) Multiple textures are muddy, limbs clip unintentionally into surfaces and there are certain scenes which look jarringly basic for such a "premium" animation job.
              You can't expect movie quality on a Youtube budget.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >7) Certain gags have the potential to be funny or at least interesting but, much like the jokes characters tell, are too rigid and deliberate to work in their contexts
                Comedy is tricky.

                >8) Most of the cast has not developed or even been expounded upon by the end of Episode 2, because the series needs to drive home how nothing really matters
                That's what happens when you have 8 characters. It takes time to introduce them all.

                >9) The videogame references in Ep. 2 feel phoned-in and cheap compared to how they are in the pilot (same goes for the episode's overall tone)
                That will depend on the plot. If they're in a simulation then this makes sense.

                >10) The lighting and color choices do not complement the art style in the vast, overwhelming amount of shots.
                That could be said for every show.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              1. Correct, but I think that's a minor criticism
              2. Could you elaborate on what you mean by "insincere premise"?
              3. This is not a valid complaint
              4. YES! On this point you are 110% correct. This is a genuine problem. I might forgive the show for this since they're only on the second episode, but that doesn't mean it isn't a significant flaw.
              5. The typical audience member is peak midwitt. 57 million views or something? It's tragic but the creators need to make sure that the content is understandable even for the morons.
              6. I guess that's a valid complaint. I noticed some of it but it didn't bother me. Seems like nit picking and having very high standards, but you're technically not wrong.
              7. That is purely your subjective opinion. Most of the jokes make most viewers belly laugh. This feeds back into point 5 I suppose, but the show is just responding to what most people find funny nowadays.
              8. I hard disagree on this. They haven't been given as much as they should have, but the show has done an excellent job of establishing who each of the characters are simply by making them have distinct archetypes. Each one is memorable despite only having like 5 to 10 minutes of screen time.
              9. Not exactly wrong but this is just a very weak complaint. It's not ruining anything, it's merely not as good as it could be.
              10. Hard to say, but I'm pretty sure the lighting is intentionally like that. The high saturation colors look like someone vomited a bag of Skittles. Even if it's unpleasant, it fits the Eye-Spy aesthetic of the childish circus.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              [...]
              The premise of the show is a mystery. Pomni is in a strange world and has to figure out where she is. She knows there are NPCs but that the other circus members might have some level of reality behind them. Why else would Ragatha be so committed to calming her down? Is Jax just coping with his situation? By the end of the pilot, she learns there are layers to this world, but that trying to assess the extent of it is futile because her "friends" are more intent on just accepting purgatory. Episode 2 could have answered any of the questions lingering from the pilot, but instead it introduces a new character in an attempt to humanize the NPCs... even though the pilot already did this? Sure, it wasn't as explicit and Pomni ended up growing, but between introducing a lame new setting, having a boring action scene and adding in a monster that just sort of exists, nothing happens in this episode. I have stated mulitple times now, that Kinger, Zooble and Gangle all just *EXIST* in this episode. It has been accepted by the fandom that episode 2 ruined Jax by just making him more of a prick, so much so that Goose noticed this and will likely adjust his personality in future episodes because of the backlash. Still, Ragatha hasn't changed, we know nothing about Caine or Bubble, or the world outside, or the game itself, it was just a means to make a developer room joke and kill off a character the audience was lulled into liking. If the creators barely even understand or want to bother with explaining the mystery surrounding the circus (including Caine, but here I more so mean GLITCH themselves) and would rather rugpull their audience while having characters mope and stand around, what is the actual incentive to watch this series? How can (You) prove that it's worthwhile and that Episode 3 will not just be more of the same, perhaps with a little cliffhanger to keep those kids hooked? It is for these reasons that the show is insincere.

              [...]

              And just from skimming other places here is what I have gathered are other people's general criticisms from the episode:

              >Zooble still has no defined role, characterization or purpose in the story and may as well just be Goose's self-insert
              >The pacing of the episode is too fast to properly convey the relationship the audience should have with Gummigoo
              >There is no adventure had in the candy kingdom, we are basically in two static locations for the whole episode
              >Kaufmo's funeral is not only rushed but forced since the viewer still literally knows nothing about him
              >Overall, the characters feel different, not like themselves; this is why Pomni's character development also doesn't seem that major

              I'm starting to repeat myself though.

              How the frick would you fix ep 2 then? How the frick would you fix tadc OP? What would tweak / change? Or is it easier criticizing the show for "bad writing" than actually fixing it and making a good plot? What would a tadc be like if it has good writing?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Easy. Gangle uses her body to restrain Jax, while pomni and Ragatha stomp on him for 25 minutes, Kinger is also there but isn't really paying attention.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The writers need to drop this urge to be efficient and decide once and for all if they want a story-driven adventure with plenty of diversions, or a more relaxed horror series where the characters are the main draw. TADC is doing too much at once but it still hasn't even given the viewer a reason to care about its cast, and it feels like every new place we visit is just a means to an end.

                I also think GLITCH has been focusing too much on making animations that take place inside of games, so they wanted to step back in Digital Circus... At the same time, they keep referencing games and using game logic, so again, they need to decide and stop trying to do both at once.

                It reminds me of HH / HB where the plots are so rushed that most of the characters don't interact with each other and it barely feels like the setting is lived-in. Production value, hype and "engagement" are more important than basic storytelling aspects or relationship dynamics and I think that sucks. But it's systematic, and if you try to improve one aspect you do risk losing out on the astronomical popularity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >horror series
                Anon, it's a comedy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Use that in place of a real argument
          I'm not arguing with you, I'm making an observation. Saying how you want to "take pop culture down a peg" sounds like you have a grudge against popular things implicitly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No, they are backed by now over a dozen posts which go into problems I have with the show.
          Your assertion is that you have said you have problems with backs your assertion that the problems are real and deeply bad in a vague way that can't be understood even if everyone reads all of your posts.

          You don't understand shit about film, writing, production, art, or anything else that goes into a show like this, and instead of being able to articulate WHY you are bothered or WHY something is bad, you are saying
          >It does X which is bad. To understand why it's bad read my other posts (other posts also just say it's bad because it just is)

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay
    But that's just like your opinion man

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kinger is barely a character in the second episode it's actually insulting.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He still stole the best moment.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tl;dr
    >popular thing bad
    >bad because popular

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate that I'm wasting my time in this thread now, I have never in my 15+ years on Cinemaphile seen this many people delude themselves into throwing a hissy fit. No actual counter-arguments, not even engaging with the points I made, just attacking me. Either underage or uncaring, there is no other explanation for this kind of behavior.

      Its popularity means we need this kind of discussion even more, instead of doing what everyone is doing on Youtube and hyping up something that will inevitably give diminishing returns.

      >I'm not some industry expert
      You're not an industry layman either
      You're completely ignorant

      OP is 100% American, because that is the land of "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge"

      More baseless insulting. Weird how even when I humble myself to prove you wrong you just treat that as weakness. Three posts down the line and you still refuse to acknowledge the Reboot or Code Lyoko examples. Need I bring up Beastwars or Popee the Performer? No of course not, you'll just call me a moron again because you can't approach good faith argumentation.

      >you are wrong for unflinchingly liking Digital Circus
      Maybe it's the early-Gen Z heightened level of background autism talking, but what does "unflinchingly" mean in this context? That if someone asked if I liked it, I wouldn't hesitate to say "yes"? That doesn't mean I'm a fanboy, that just means whatever flaws there are don't ruin my enjoyment of the series.
      >responding to criticism by flinging insults, misrepresenting arguments
      See, maybe I haven't thoroughly read every single post of yours, but so far, it seems like you're trying to make the flaws that ruined it for (You) ruin it for everyone else.
      >flanderized two pre-existing ones in the process (Ragatha and Jax)
      Can you really call it "Flanderization" if it's only been two (2) episodes so far and we have no idea what their character arcs will look like? Ragatha's wholesome in both episodes, Jax is a dick in both episodes. At worst, you can call that a lack of character development, except it's still only two episodes. It's like tracing a line graph with only two data points.
      >basically ignoring the existence of two others (Kinger and Gangle)
      See, here's an example of a flaw that doesn't take me out of it. Could they have done more with their B-plot? Yeah, probably. Am I dissatisfied with what we got? Not really. I'll concede that Ep2 is the weaker of the two, but only by a little -- the funeral scene and Pomni's own character development helped out a lot.
      >*literally* choosing to not have the remaining member even be involved in the plot (Zooble)
      Oh, speaking of. Sure, the funeral might've just been an excuse to get around not thinking of something interesting for ol' Zoobie to do, but it worked. I'll take a main character's development at the expense of the weakest (sorry, Zooblefrens) side-character's presence, I think that's a more-than-fair trade offer.
      You have a lot of TADC pics saved for someone who doesn't like the show, by the way...

      >what does "unflinchingly" mean in this context?
      That you ignore all criticism and reframe it to be baseless so you can blindly appreciate something to fit in. Next question.
      >it seems like you're trying to make the flaws that ruined it for (You) ruin it for everyone else.
      If I am alone in hating TADC (I am not.) then so be it. Pop culture deserves to be analyzed critically and taken down a peg.
      >we have no idea what their character arcs will look like
      Cinemaphile equivalent of saying "Two more weeks!" If a show fails to expand characterization after nearly an hour spent with an ensemble cast, that is a failure. We still know nothing about Zooble or Gangle or Kaufmo or really anyone. You CANNOT refute this.
      > Could they have done more with their B-plot
      What fricking B-plot? The "A-plot" is completely abandoned to subvert expectations, and then that's abandoned too. It's total nihilism. Pomni only develops to distract from how poor the structure.
      >You have a lot of TADC pics saved for someone who doesn't like the show
      I'm watching it on VLC for reference material.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I watched Reboot! That gives me a basis for discussing film technique!
        lol moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pop culture deserves to be analyzed critically and taken down a peg.
        It sounds like you just have a bias against things that are popular.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That you ignore all criticism and reframe it to be baseless
        Y'know, it's entirely possible that it is. You've considered that possibility, right? And if you're right and people just plum don't care... I don't know, maybe putting "lemme educate y'all" in the OP isn't your best foot forward, because you already look pretentious and that's a huge filter for a lot of people, even when they're trying to engage with you honestly. It also makes it really easy to poke holes in anything you have to say. Hint and hint.
        >Pop culture deserves to be analyzed critically and taken down a peg
        No one disagrees with this, except the most shameless industry shills alive. That said, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who considers anything Glitch or Goose does, TADC included, "pop culture." Even though it's internationally known, and could potentially become the next "Nirvana is my favorite clothing brand" in 20-30 years (please, God, no), it's still the product of two internet nerds making a studio and hiring more internet nerds to make shit that they like with professional quality.
        >Cinemaphile equivalent of saying "Two more weeks!"
        Except I don't think I've seen a single person say that unironically since the very start of the pandemic.
        >We still know nothing about Zooble or Gangle or Kaufmo or really anyone
        Maybe that's intentional. Goose's worx (that is, before Glitch) aren't really known for in-depth, character-focused exposition. Goose is more the type to create a world and let you see a part of it (or just show a character falling down stairs for an Andy Kaufman-esque length of time...), and that might or might not work for you, and it might or might not work for an 8-to-10-episode series.
        >What fricking B-plot?
        I consider Pomni the "A-character," if that makes sense, so whenever she leaves a plot, that becomes the B-plot. Hey, I'm no scholar of media myself.
        >character limit
        I'd continue in another post, but I kinda don't wanna...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I have never in my 15+ years on Cinemaphile.

        Come on dude, I came in 2010. Say that you were here when Moot founded the site already.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're taking this too seriously. Just enjoy it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          EAT gangle

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why does everyone call me moronic?
    >why is everyone I talk to mean and annoyed?
    "If everywhere you go smells like shit, you might want to check your shoes"

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Troon toon.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >likely to hit 60 million views within a week of release

    Is the hate posting just sour grapes?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Appeal to popularity

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's better to be flawed but approachable than it is to be technically perfect but totally alienating.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      enjoy your mcuslop then, since a piece of media requiring standards and some basic artistic literacy to understand and appreciate is a flaw now

      You should email the glitch team your thoughts anon, with your proven experience and expertise in making shows and stories I'm sure they will be eager to apply this feedback. With your wise words, TADC will transform from one of the worst animated shows of all time, to one of the best.

      NTA, but also not an argument, you moron

      >I refuse to reckon with the fact that my posts are not actually substantive and will now cry
      >A BLOO BLOO BLOO BLOO

      >I'm sure you'll seethe and turn further inwards instead of addressing the problems with your prose.
      [...]
      >seethes, doesn't address the problems with his prose, turns further inwards
      It's like I'm psychic

      OP gave examples in this thread in other post. You are either being disingenuous or havent read the thread

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >*in other posts
        typo, my bad

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OP has repeatedly failed to explain why any of the things he thinks are negatives are, in fact, negatives. He is relying purely on projecting his own opinions as objective universal fact.
        >DAS NOT TRUE HE GAVE EXAMPLES OF THINGS HE THINKS ARE BAD

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not OP, but sure, i can do that

          >1) The dialogue is too focused on carrying the plot forward to actually let the characters speak to one another believably
          in a series about normal people trapped in the roles of cartoon characters, having said normal people talk with eachother and acting like actual human beings would actually reinforce the feeling of confusion those characters feel in a world they dont belong in, making the existential dread parts more impactful.

          >2) Even if the lore were perfect, it would not matter, because the show is built upon an insincere premise
          I cant honestly understand what OP is trying to say here, but i guess he's kinda got a point. No matter how perfect your worldbuilding is, if its developed poorly through the story, its not enough to save it from its other flaws, and even if it was actually developed in a good way, it still wouldnt be enough to compensate for all the other parts of a bad story

          >3) Establishing shots are far too long and lack any interesting cinematography, and because of this it feels like just staring at assets.
          Having sequences that drag on more than they should makes bad pacing

          >4) Inter-character dynamics aren't really given room to breathe. Pomni and Ragatha don't feel like they have any real relationship, any more than Jax and Zooble.
          the bare minimum a good writer has to do with his characters is actually use them to their full potential. This also applies to point 8 of OP's issues with the show

          >5) The plot is laid out and then told back to the viewer like they're fricking stupid, multiple times, and characters often speak what is literally happening on-screen.
          "show not tell" is basic advice any writer has heard at least once in their life.

          The other points are about animation/graphic quality, and if i need to actually explain to you why animation errors and bad textures are a bad thing, then you are completely moronad

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wasnt the whole point of the 2nd episode the fact that pomni is the only character acting as a human stuck in the digital wolrd?, her whole problem is that shr thinks the other humans have already lost their empathy and became larpers who dont care about their previous lives. This is the payoff of the funeral scene, showing they are not one dimensional fun gag characters but real people who are just.... kinda insane for being here too long

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Same anon, but my personal thoughts here is that episode 2 feels....like a second pilot. It introduces how adventures are and how the characters will treat what is basically a videogame roleplay for kids while also completing the only remaininh questions from the first pilot. This is why it feels incomplete and dissapointing, it is still building up how the series is gonna work by showing us its main themes: existentialism, wacky funny hijinks, characters being their most direct representation of their qualities and an actual moment that reminds us "ah yeah, these are supposed to be real people". It just exist to complete the pilot so that we dont get confuse by what would be the actual rhytm of the next episodes.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree!

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you genuinelly think that flavor of the season internet cartoon is the worst thing ever, then you need to check some classics first

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw no Pomni wienersleeve gf

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, your favorite cartoon is Hazbin hotel

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they hated him because he spoke the truth
    it's like newbies think that ADC will be remembered year from now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's like newbies think that ADC will be remembered year from now
      Ooh, I love CYOA's!
      >[a] year
      What, you think they're gonna stop production tomorrow? It took over half a year to go from the Pilot to Ep2, so someone needs to stumble pret-ty bad for this all to be forgotten before Ep3 or Ep4.
      >year[s]
      Everything gets swallowed by time eventually. Someday, the entire internet could become a bizarre decades-long collective fever dream with billions of people thinking to themselves
      >"Over 9000 based skibidi Ohio rizz chungus"? the frick does that mean, and why is it stuck in my head?!

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But thanks for the Pomni.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life.
    Dude, I get that it's not Shakespeare (unlike Bionicle, look it up), but to call this the worst cartoon you've ever seen means you've been blessed not to experience the vast majority of cartoons. ADC has soul, it has ideas, it has an identity, it has stories to tell. I'd take this any day over My Gym Partner Is a Monkey or fricking Iggy Arbuckle. Thank god for the Internet.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Old thread dying, time for this to become the new circus thread.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s up

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does any Cinemaphile anon think that TADC 3d artstyle is similar to "Psychonauts 2"'s?

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My headcanon is that Caine is the only human and everyone else are NPCs.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not reading through this whole stupid thread but this basically confirms Cinemaphile is twitter 2.0 in my mind because you guys are literally dog piling on someone for having a wrong think opinion

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for having a wrong think opinion
      That he thinks is an "education," as expressed in the OP. Said this before, but that's how you stumble out the gate by looking tedious as frick.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If he were just voicing his opinion we'd brush it off as a hater but he clearly thinks there is some fundamental defect in the show where there is none.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you come out and say something is wrong - objectively - with the show and people go 'Okay, what is wrong?' and you take two or three posts of people asking you to explain what is wrong, then explain 'what is wrong' and that thing isn't actually anything wrong or what you originally said in the first place and people go 'yeah you're fricking moronic' and you start to shid and cum and fart and cry and start saying things aren't things when objectively they are (you just did not subjectively enjoy them) then people are going to 'dogpile' you because you're being fricking moronic. stop being moronic and people won't call you moronic. it is really that simple. people are happy with shows having criticism, in fact, Cinemaphile regularly has discussions on why shows/comics are bad and it actually spawns debate and interaction, but in this example it is
      >This is bad
      >Why is it bad
      >It's popular
      >And?
      >It's just bad
      >What is bad about it?
      >Well this part, this is X!
      >That isn't X, that is Y, you clearly don't understand what is X or Y and are struggling to defend your original statement
      >YOU'RE BEING BIG MEANIE POOPIE HEADS :~~*~~*(
      Does not equate good discussion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s a lot of words to purposely misrepresent OP’s arguments. Notice how you never go into specifics (like OP does) and ironically state things are “[not] wrong” or objectively “is Y”. If you truly think OP is an assclown, go through his points and argue against them. But you can’t and you won’t.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're getting desperate

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            homosexual, you’re still not even attempting to refute OP

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Touch grass

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OP has no argument, none of the shit he's whining about has any basis in anything other than "I don't like it".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just admit you can’t read.
            Not sure how else you could take “I don’t like it” from the multitude of posts breaking down his opinion based on a variety of issues.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >his opinion
              sure thing anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except, as I explained, he failed to raise any points that have any actual objective 'negativity'. As far as I said these are the reasons he doesn't like it
          >It's popular
          >It has establishing shots
          >It has establishing scenes
          >It has jokes that I don't find funny (therefore they're not jokes :^))
          >It uses an artstyle I do not like
          >It looks like 90's video game CGI (I am loathed to even include this one simply because you have to be literally mentally moronic to think the whole gimmick of the 'aesthetic' is therefore bad. You can not like it, but that is not an objective criticism when, surprise, it is meant to look like that)
          >The diagloue moves the plot forward
          >The 'lore' is bad
          >Inter-character dynamics aren't given room to breathe (a wonderfully nebulous 'can mean anything I want depending on the response I get' point)
          >The plot is explained out multiple times (this again goes back to the 90's CGI style, you're obviously fricking clueless or didn't play 90's video games but surprise, that is exactly what happened in many games, almost like the creators are having a little poke at their childhood!)
          >Jokes are too rigid (we moved on from 'there are no jokes' to this but whatever)
          >The cast isn't developed enough (what, in two episodes?)
          >Video game references (so you do actually get what they're going for but somehow completely miss what they're going for at the same time, doyou need shit directly stated?)
          >Lighting and color choices are bad and shots
          That's it. Every single one of these has been explained. You can 'critic' everything. People explaining why you're missing the point or 'not getting it' or aren't actually explaining your issue is not them 'ignoring criticism' it's them going 'I see your point but here is mine'.

          Again, the show is nothing special to me, but every single point you have made is just fricking moronic. Stop being moronic. Also stop avatargayging.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Half of those greentexts are literally the exact opposite of the criticisms made. You didn't just misrepresent the arguments you completely flipped them around in the process of sperging out for the 9th time this thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh NO! how are we going to respond Xisters!?
      t. Psychonauts anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with you, you are not alone brother

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's literally what OP wanted, how dumb are you, anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This place didn't earn the name Cinemaphilemblr in the mid-2010s for nothing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this, it's only with this mediocre trash show though, it's genuinely a cult.
      TADC fandom has a meltdown at the mere suggestion the show has flaws.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're exaggerating. It's not as great as people make it out to be, but you are just the other extreme end of the opinion, acting like it is the worst thing to ever exist. Both sides are equally wrong and annoying.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So which youtuber did you get this opinion from and have decided to regurgitate into the thread when people call you out on your shit?

    oh and I have watched the show, it's fine, I'm not in love with it nor do I hate it because it is popular,it's fine, it fills some time. but 'your' opinions are so fricking stupid that i think you're actually a fan of the show trying to make critics of it look dumb by association.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TADC is mediocre garbage slop.
    This is vastly superior: https://youtu.be/IMgWnCMAigw?si=HsWvkVX9_psc27S4
    I'm even sure why I'd bother sharing this on Cinemaphile, it's just too good for this boards userbase. Anyways be grateful.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NEW CONTENT GO GO GO GO

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      beat me to it

      >gummigoo comes back
      >repeats his catchphrase a bunch then explodes
      Hilarious

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The plushies videos are genuinely the funniest TADC content so far

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone got a good enhancer that can read the text below the ingredients?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Best by:
        something INC
        something Made in The Digital Circus
        www.orbsbrand.com (not a real website)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Might be a real site come ep 3.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No one owns it, if a fan wanted to they could buy it right now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should kill off Gummi every episode.

      This is just a toy commercial. Lmao.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i know a girl with omega autism who's obsessed with this show, so at least it's making someone's world that there's a new episode out

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This homie needs people to bloviate about their personal media philosophy because he can't concede that popular things tend to routinely be devoid of meaning regardless of how many people praise it to high heavens for being deep and introspective.

    This homie thinks the very notion that Pomni mugging the camera at least twice a minute is mystifying. As in only a mystic trained on poring over ancient texts could comprehend the sheer scale of autism required to make such an insane claim. Truly a baffling conundrum thing to opine.

    This homie likens an ironic MK Ultra parody conveniently funded by the Australian government to someone making an amateur film on their camcorder pre-YouTube, pre-monetization, pre-SEO, pre-everything that we have to deal with today in order to not have people instantly click off.

    This homie implies "effort does not equal quality" but if you say it explicitly he starts having conniptions. Oops, quiet part's out loud again, can't have that, big no-no!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bloviate
      >opine
      >conniptions
      midwit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't give him attention, you'll only encourage him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How old are you?

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just Content Farm the series, just ignore it.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life.
    I'm guessing you haven't seen many then. There's many out there that are far worse.
    I didn't read past that.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you the same anon that declared murder dornes was the worst show ever and you couldn't get 3 minutes into the first episode?
    Seems like you just hate glitch, a lot.

    Are you UTTP?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it is a similar sort of situation going on here, I find it hilarious that it's the exact same room-temperature murky-soup complaints and immediately gets anally gaped by anons bringing up how moronic what he says is.

      It's equally funny how it immediately turns into "I'm being attacked, fans of this show can't take criticism!" both in this thread and that Murder Drones thread.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Reddit lets the Cinemaphile mask slip off. Again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no one uses reddit anymore, it's twitter, tumblr, and discord gays that infest the board

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bro really used "that depends" as a defense of the show being hot garbage.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bro is really too scared to quote the posts he's b***hing about.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd rather vaguepost and make you seethe then try to have a conversation and be called a schizo like what the above anon keeps doing.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was some top quality autistic shit, thank you for the read OP..

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All I know is that fans of this show should be lined up against a wall. Shoot them right in the head.
    Just shoot them in the head.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are homosexuals bad people or do you just not like gay men?

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here is an old man that likes it

    If it was zoomer slop than that should be impossible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wears a lucky charms t shirt
      autism

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can't even spell it's
    >worthy of any respect, time or attention
    nope.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The volume mixing of the music during the truck action scene is a little quiet, OP couldn't hear that the drum line comes in once Pomni is dangling between them because the voices and the stretching effect were louder.
    OP is definitely cherry-picking though, because they do use dynamic camera-work during Pomni's dream to convey gravity shifting.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life. Its popularity should genuinely worry people for the future of the medium.

    To actually go into depth about its flaws requires so much effort precisely because people are willingly ignoring those issues to sincerely engage with even bigger problems.

    The writing, the set design, the camera work, the dialogue, the pacing, all of it is terrible, and you'd think this would be easy to understand, but it's the opposite. Fans and casual watchers alike are *completely* unaware what's wrong with this series, and when you try to educate them, they don't care, at best they say you're just being a contrarian and that they can't wait for the next box set to be made.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It checks so many boxes.
    >Colorful/childish thing secretly bad/evil
    >Mysterious lore
    >Tumblr sexy man
    >Grumpy non binary
    >LOL RANDOM humor

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This is without a doubt one of the worst cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life
    what’s stopping (you) from animation something yourself? I am curious to know

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Money, experience, skill, voice actors, time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >voice actors
        that’s where you wrong, not everyone needs them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sneed

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not here for your blog. And you have to be 18 to post on this website.

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank God, other circus threads have opened.

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My biggest gripe is if this show is supposed to take from 90s weird videogames then why was there so many examples of water physics? If they had any balls they would have had basic geometry with transparent layered bitmaps that kinda looked like water surfaces.

    Worthless, waste of time. Burn the masters. Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i think it's implied that the characters see the world as realistic, but we see it as voxel-y
      that's why the first episode starts like an old game, but when the camera goes into it it goes realistic

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Last night's The Amazing Circus was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured, I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world.

    Two episodes, give it some time to cook at least. I'm not entirely sold but maybe episode 3 is the one that gets me.

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get this thread, OP is seriously trying to present his opinions as fact and has some downright weird arguments over what constitutes the worst show ever. It's like another thread reading on how they would "fix" this episode and it ended up sounding like an episode of Helluva with more relationship shit.
    People latch onto the strangest things to get hung up about.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where did I imply I want to fix the show? The only person ITT who even did something close to that is here

      My biggest gripe is if this show is supposed to take from 90s weird videogames then why was there so many examples of water physics? If they had any balls they would have had basic geometry with transparent layered bitmaps that kinda looked like water surfaces.

      Worthless, waste of time. Burn the masters. Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

      and they're clearly trying to troll based off the second line. I'm gonna keep watching Digital Circus, so I can hopefully make another thread like this when Ep. 3 comes out and is also trash. I don't think the West has fallen because a cartoon is being massively overrated. I also don't think my opinions are fact, actually you know what? The inverse is happening, I'm being told that my subjective experience of watching the show and hating it means that I'm forcing objective value onto things I disliked. You can look through the thread and see this happening, I give my critique but because I framed it as "educating" others (a mistake tbh) this apparently means I'm a pompous shitlord even though I actually backed up everything I said. But then again, maybe I did accomplish that, because every other fricking time I've entered a TADC thread on Cinemaphile half the posts are waifugayging and theorycrafting which, again in my opinion, is a sign that maybe the IP is shitty and people aren't really all that into it. Ironically, one of the anons ITT who was most fervently opposing me capped off all his yapping by saying he had no strong opinions on Digital Circus, which is fricking hilarious to me since he kept going and going even though he couldn't have cared less about it. Eh, whatever, you know? Shit's wild.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        take your meds

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you still have the archive link?

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hmm, have a nice day

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not as bad as Kevin Spencer I'll give it that.

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I respect the uniqueness of it, but it is ultimate zoomerbait
    >gmod "video game glitch" physics (glitching into the backrooms anyone)
    >literally le ebin backrooms in the 1st episode
    >tumblr sexyman
    >normal character has LE UNHINGED WACKY MOMENTS (this is what cements it as a children's series)
    it's fishfood for the fnaf and backrooms kiddies, ideas which goose seems to view as groundbreaking and enough for the premise of an episode (what if video game character was sentient!!!!) are not particularly impressive
    i still like it and hope we see more like it

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm assuming we've gotten Gummigoo porn already.

    Has any used the joke "And that's why they call me Gummigoo," yet after he blasts a fat load of gummy goo?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anyway, that's why they call me Gummigoo
      >*Pomni choking on a fat load*

  77. 2 weeks ago
    The Demon

    You know I really like Jax. I bet under that tough exterior he is a softie who cares deeply for his friends.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone post a big pupils edit to scare this homosexual away

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Episode 2 killed all traction its kind of crazy. I thought episode 1 was repetitive and annoying but least the characters had charming designs. Episode 2 is just like VIDEO GAMES EXIST AND ALSO POMNI IS ANNOYING

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Episode 2 is just like VIDEO GAMES EXIST AND ALSO POMNI IS ANNOYING
      Wow, that's... just about as reductive as whatever OP was complaining about.

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OP is a huge homosexual and a sperg: The Thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Board
      >The Website

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's so bad that I can't even explain how bad it is so I have to just vaguely complain about fans and how they don't listen to me when I don't tell them what's actually bad about the show.
    This is soggy b8.

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a gay and sounds like one of those Hazbin/Helluava dumbasses

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay loser, let us know when you wanna explain anything instead of seethe impotently

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can skim the thread and try to parse what his actual complaints are, but it amounts to OP being assblasted that the show doesn't look flawless and have characters stop and have "realistic" conversations about their feelings in between establishing shots that last fractions of a second.

      Best I can decode from his schizoid ramblings is that he wanted the show to be something else after looking at fanart and seeing lots of people talk excitedly about it, but then actually watched it and had an autism schism that it wasn't a flawless masterpiece that set a new standard for visual entertainment and instead violated all the arbitrary rules he believes creators have to follow to make a show at all tolerable to watch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks, I know their type. Saved me the effort.

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, it's not kino but it's not nearly as bad as you say and certainly not as bad as other cartoons coming out today.

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't care for it as a whole that much but Pomni is genuinely an 11/10 design, and there's very few of those. She's on par with Sonic tbh.
    She's cute, fun to watch, marketable, and simple to draw. Her personality being relatable to sissy zoomers and inspiring the need to protect or abuse in others also helps.

    I'm looking forward for future eps just to see her move around more.

  85. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i know you have a big fetish

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this cartoon is very israeli

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If anyone cares

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope the next episode does not feature either physics glitches caused by clipping or out-of-bounds areas.

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as a TADC hater myself you wouldn't think that if it wasn't so popular. either that or watch more cartoons

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people don't watch cartoon with lesson anymore (old spongebob for ex) they just want hot characters like pomni. because humanity got dumber than ever

  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Something else that needs to be pointed out: Up until the end of the tanker chase the audience is given no indication that the candy kingdom is anything more than a flat desert with a few scattered mountains in the distance. Now, this could be seen as nitpicking, but think about it, why not show the fudge river in an establishing shot instead of focusing entirely on the castle? It comes across as abrupt because we have this completely flat location for the trucks to drive on and then suddenly they're near a cliff. Literally if you look at the sides during the chase it's not communicated at all.

    Not only that, when we see Gummigoo and his gang, they aren't characterized, because the episode needs them to be plain villains so it can subvert the audience during the second act. This is a detriment because it means we forget about the candy princess AND we are more-or-less forced to accept Kaufmo's funeral as tying into Pomni's character growth when Gummigoo is unceremoniously deleted.

    Going back to the tanker chase itself though, I really do think the tanker clipping and spazzing out nullifies the entire scene. If they had instead tried to ram it and ended up clipping the truck, that would be neat and come across like a glitch in the matrix, but that's not what happens. We see the truck spin and spin like a burnout and then clip on a rock after the entire chase has concluded. So it's not earned. Kinger's limbs spazzing out in Ep. 1 was a funny little gag, this tries to use a physics glitch to advance the episode but is, like I said before, yanking the viewer between set pieces.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      didn't read but pomni is so cute I wish she were my wife

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not only that, when we see Gummigoo and his gang, they aren't characterized, because the episode needs them to be plain villains so it can subvert the audience during the second act.
      THE FIRST TIME WE SEE THEM THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY NEED THE SYRUP TO SAVE GUMMIGOO'S MOTHER YOU'RE JUST LYING AT THIS POINT

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We get it. You like riding Hazbin Hotel's futa wiener. At least Digital Circus made me laugh, unlike that moronic c**t Vivziepoop.

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Something else that needs to be pointed out: Up until the end of the tanker chase the audience is given no indication that the candy kingdom is anything more than a flat desert with a few scattered mountains in the distance. Now, this could be seen as nitpicking, but think about it, why not show the fudge river in an establishing shot instead of focusing entirely on the castle? It comes across as abrupt because we have this completely flat location for the trucks to drive on and then suddenly they're near a cliff. Literally if you look at the sides during the chase it's not communicated at all.

    Not only that, when we see Gummigoo and his gang, they aren't characterized, because the episode needs them to be plain villains so it can subvert the audience during the second act. This is a detriment because it means we forget about the candy princess AND we are more-or-less forced to accept Kaufmo's funeral as tying into Pomni's character growth when Gummigoo is unceremoniously deleted.

    Going back to the tanker chase itself though, I really do think the tanker clipping and spazzing out nullifies the entire scene. If they had instead tried to ram it and ended up clipping the truck, that would be neat and come across like a glitch in the matrix, but that's not what happens. We see the truck spin and spin like a burnout and then clip on a rock after the entire chase has concluded. So it's not earned. Kinger's limbs spazzing out in Ep. 1 was a funny little gag, this tries to use a physics glitch to advance the episode but is, like I said before, yanking the viewer between set pieces.

    >I'M BEING DOGPILED
    Here's some more (You)s for (You)r collection, moron. Your nitpicks are not objective faults. It's just needless UHHHMMM ACKSHUALLY complaining because the show didn't painstakingly explain every motivation or show you every single minor transition between scenes, which you also b***hed, since establishing shots apparently get your moronic panties in a knot. You don't even know what "Filler" is, but insist on calling it out because any moment not spent exhaustively explaining or illustrating some deeper, complex, emotionally nuanced story is an affront to your delicate, homosexualy sensibilities.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BTW Jax saying the episode feels anticlimactic two-thirds through and then it having an anticlimactic ending is not good writing and I would be hard pressed to believe it could be framed that way. This is bolstered by the first act itself being anticlimactic, as I have explained above.

      Hey anon is there a reason even though I've been backing up my efforts you're still crying? If you disagree with specific points that's cool but dismissing it all yet again, nearly 24 fricking hours later, comes across like you're obsessed with me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll give you a little pat on the ass for trying, but you've made no real argument besides
        >this bothers me because I need to find something to say that makes it seem like I have a leigtimate reason to be so assblasted that I spent a whole day whining on Cinemaphile about this show I don't like without any real substantial reason for it

        You're a huge gay OP. You will always be a gay until you stop pretending that saying "this scene doesn't advance this plot" or "in this scene stuff happens" is some kind of hard-hitting critique that is meant to convince people that TADC is actually the worst show ever made.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What part of "all three acts of this TV-length episode are anticlimactic because they are too abrupt and fail to properly subvert the audience" is not a real criticism to you? No, seriously, stop with this fricking rigamarole, you spent all day barging in every time I posted and trying to dismantle me by insulting me and acting like nothing I say has any value, instead of even attempting to refute them. That's autism, more autistic than anything I've written in this thread. Even if you ignore everything I've said I will say for the final time:

          >People DID NOT like Jax in this episode.
          >The pacing and overall tone DID NOT line up with expectations from the pilot, and
          >Saying to just wait for the next episode, or turn your brain off, IS NOT a valid counter-argument

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao you're so fricking pitiful that you've resorted to believing that anyone who has replied to you is one person endlessly seeking to only harass you. I just got here and I find your arguments fricking pathetic because they're not only not true, but they are entirely built around assumptions and assertions that don't hold up. You want the show to be something other than what it is. You want it to follow a cliche structure or adhere to some strict guidelines you pulled out of your ass. When it didn't do that, you threw a temper tantrum. Frick off.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I blame the morons feeding it. People can not like something it's just a silly little show who cares. herb

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think this thread is OP practicing his impression of some homosexual streamer that makes like 8 hour "analysis" videos of 20 minute content by stopping every 5 seconds to rant for 15 minutes

          Mauler? Something like that

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And just from skimming other places here is what I have gathered are other people's general criticisms from the episode:

    >Zooble still has no defined role, characterization or purpose in the story and may as well just be Goose's self-insert
    >The pacing of the episode is too fast to properly convey the relationship the audience should have with Gummigoo
    >There is no adventure had in the candy kingdom, we are basically in two static locations for the whole episode
    >Kaufmo's funeral is not only rushed but forced since the viewer still literally knows nothing about him
    >Overall, the characters feel different, not like themselves; this is why Pomni's character development also doesn't seem that major

    I'm starting to repeat myself though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That and what OP has said from the essays hes typed out. People strawmanning him HARD though. Its very weird. Very Tumblr/Twitter-like.

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse to watch it because the character designs are obnoxious.

  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >people think I'm being stupid and hate the way I'm acting, making me the victor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Filename
      Holy shit lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Almost certain most people in here are from tumblr or twitter (As I said two posts above) and that post confirmed my suspicion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IT'S FRICKING KUNG POW YOU FRICKING newbie

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry about other anons, I hate this show too and it doesn't exist.

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >yet again dogpiling me
    All you had to do was 1) put your criticisms in the OP, so it doesn't look like you're making shit up as you go, and 2) establish how your criticisms are more than just your opinion.

    Could've also avoided saying "educate," but that's just me, I guess.
    Some shit's just cringeworthy, it ain't even gotta be deep I guess.

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree.

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit based autist thread completely dismantles The Amazing Digital Slop and make twitter troons seethe absolute kino

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD
      Cinemaphile has replaced your brain with homogenized sludge. Sad!

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You see this fictional character? I'm not afraid to admit that I've lost liters of cum to this character of mere fantasy. Isn't it funny how not even real girls arouse me like she does? I have killed millions of my offspring to the thought of having an intercourse with a cartoon character, a character conceived by the mind. Who knows, maybe there was a scientist who could have cured cancer, the engineer who could have figured out the terraforming of Mars or even the future president of the United States among the sperm that now lay on that tissue, needless to say, I don't regret it. She's literal Perfection, I can assure you that I will keep fantasizing about her and I won't stop any time soon. Do you think that the fact that she's not real is a barrier to me? Hell no. With the help of xl, have trained lucid dreaming and astral projection to cross between the human world and the Youtube dimension and finally met her. We went to a McDonalds in my latest cross-dimension trip, sadly had to wake up to go to my minimum wage job. Right now am also working on my tulpa to bring her over the human world, she might not be real to you, but she will be for me soon.

  103. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To give an example, I really like the sequence in the pilot where Pomni is alone and opens several doors while searching for Caine. She gets punched, sees two impossible things, there's a jumpscare and it ends with a literal punchline again. There's also some mystery since she opens a few doors but we only see her perspective.

    This entire scene lasts maybe 15 seconds. It could have gone on for so much longer! Reveal those other doors we didn't see, focus on the massive void, or actual have her walking from door to door instead of hard cuts. In the process of trying to hit every trope and beat possible, while still leaving time for the long, drawn-out conversations where characters just stand around describing what's happening, TADC completely misses its own potential and goes in the opposite direction.

    So if you applied this to episode two, give us more reason to help the castle instead of just showing it and driving home that this is, in fact, a castle. Have the tanker chase be an actual chase, instead of just acting as though there was a chase and that you didn't basically teleport both trucks to be next to each other. Have Jax earn his disappointment instead of amping up his psychopathy to the point you alienate your audience.

    Also, commit to the nihilism instead of trying to be meta with it. If this show is gonna end up with a happy or bittersweet ending it's already gotten too saccharine to justify any of the psychological elements. I'd rather have an anthology of zoomer mascot analog horror nonsense than be made to feel for a depressed piece of candy I only just met five minutes ago, because the writers literally have nothing else.

  104. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love ragebaits

  105. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alright, so the good news is you watched the show and have opinions, but you seem to be somewhat bad at articulating what you believe to be wrong with the show.

    I will also say that holy shit, if this is the worst thing you've ever watched I envy you, truly.

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