>this man must be punished by a horrible twist of irony for not putting his life on the line for a stranger who swindled him
This is the shit that Jesus wouldn't turn his cheek for. How the FRICK is Peter in any way in the wrong?
>this man must be punished by a horrible twist of irony for not putting his life on the line for a stranger who swindled him
The whole point is Peter just let a violent criminal go when he had a chance to stop him before he could do more crimes. How do you not get this Peter's uncle got killed by that man how much more can they spell it out for you.
The story treats him like a villain for not risking his life for a guy who just ripped him off. Said guy getting robbed IS karmeic justice, Peter made the ethical and reasonable choice.
>risking his life
He's Spider-Man, he would in no way be risking his life by grabbing that man, as demonstrated by his effortlessly beating him later.
He's not bullet proof, even if the risk was small, it's his life to risk, and he shouldn't do it for the sake of property of someone who's also a thief
>for a guy who just ripped him off
You just don't get do you, it's not about that guy, it's about the violent criminal and what he might do next. This isn't rocket science anon
>karmeic justice,
>Peter made the ethical and reasonable choice.
>How do you not get this Peter's uncle got killed by that man
Um actually it was Sandman so it really doesn’t matter
Guys, guys, I know the perfect solution. Peter SHOULD stop the escaping guy, but he should also rob the promoter himself. That way it all works out perfectly.
there's a fail in your logic, you see, peter can't rob the promoter because spider-man is not black.
I mean in real life you are actually instructed TO NOT try to stop an criminal who just robbed a business. It's extremely dangerous and it's very likely that he will escape anyway. And since Peter was a rookie with the spider powers and bullets hurt him in the same way it hurt a normal person it was better for him to avoid it.
he only had to trip the guy and use his ovipository appendage to lay spider eggs inside his anus, it's super easy
He wasn't, but there are any number of things he could have done to prevent Uncle Ben from dying.
Also, dressing up to beat up bad guys wasn't exactly a great coping mechanism
jesus literally got crucified by the people hes supposed to save
>Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do
I don't think you know Jesus very well.
I knew the origin beforehand but this shit was so effective in the theater, sinking feeling in a good way once the robber comes in
Scene would work better if Peter was just an arrogant dick and the guy wasn't a swindler. I think him being a swindler was an addition by the Raimi version IIRC.
the swindler was from james camerons script only difference being that in his version it was a tv producer and not related to wrestling
It's a personal failure. The only people who don't understand that are bugmen who depend on the hivemind for validation.
There was no personal failure. He has no obligation to intervene. In fact, there is a degree injustice in helping the swindler.
yes, it enables the swindler to treat people poorly and expect them to help him. he'd learn the wrong lesson.
>obligation
See what I mean?
Any "injustice" that is born from helping a swindler is insignificant compared to the injustice of letting a violent criminal roam free. This shouldn't be up for debate.
Corrupt businessmen become CEOs or politicians and end up ruining thousands or millions of lived compared to some street thug who will likely die young
But that's okay because Business is god and that's how business are run and the upper class should get away with it and media told me that we can't and shouldn't do anything or else we'll be bad people like the jan 7th people or lower class undesirables....like those young rapscallions by the name of george washington and thomas jefferson.
>He has no obligation to intervene
What part of “with great power comes great responsibility” do you not understand
He's not, but that's just how karma works.
Sometimes I wonder what Peter’s life would have been like if that mugger never shot Ben - or shot someone else. Would Peter still feel the guilt? Would he ever change?
Peter is supposed to be an butthole who learns the error of his ways, and excessively wienery even afterwards. He’s too cuddly in the Raimi movies. They never worked for me and I’m the right age to be nostalgic for them.
The ironic thing is if an armed robber has accepted money and is leaving without harming anyone, you actually put more people at risk trying to fight him at that point. All police will tell if it's just property and nobody was hurt , don't fight the robber and just remember the details as best you can
Bootlicker
Uncle Ben put his pride above his, life and family, he could of easily let insurance and police handle it, he chose to fight a gun man who had him at gun point at 70+ years old for an old beat up car that got stolen anyway. Peter and auntie may didn't need to go through that, they would rather have him than a dusty car
Ben's mistake was not packing heat. I get that back in his day the country was not an absolute shit hole, but he should have known it changed.
The difference is that Peter could fight the guy and not be harmed, because he's spider-man. That's the "great power" part of the "with great power comes great responsibility" quote. And is what differentiates a super hero from a regular person. Peter was using his power for selfish reasons, to make himself money and lied to uncle ben in order to keep doing this. It was this exact lie that led to uncle ben waiting to pick him up from the library, where the armed robber tried to steal his car and shot him. If Peter had 1, not been lying and selfishly using his powers and 2, used his powers to stop a dangerous and violent person from getting lose and potentially harming others, uncle ben wouldn't have died. This was the tragedy that allowed Peter to truly understand the meaning of what uncle ben taught him and lead to him becoming a true hero.
So the story twists itself in pretzel in order to punish benign behavior. It's the "if you kill your enemies, they win" morality ramped up in ridiculous fashion
Arguably doing the right thing should be a virtue, and therefore not influenced by who slighted you and who didn't. I would've just disarmed him and let him keep the money though, as I wouldn't do much to protect the property rights of rich or dishonest people if I were spider man. That's the cops' job.
Its the very bottom line of what sets up Peter as a hero. To do the things that would harm him for the greater good of society and others. He was upset because the guy fricks him over, saw an opportunity to return the favor but lost his father figure by stooping to the bookie's level of being petty. Its a hard lesson Peter carries with him through his entire life to make the hard choice of elevating others over himself even if they don't deserve it. It even moves Doc Ock to quit being a b***h when he's running around as superior spiderman
>alternate universe
>peter stops the thief
>owner apologizes and gives him the whole money prize and offers peter to become the new star of his show
>peter becomes "EL Araña Hombre" and goes to live in mexico were he becomes the best Luchador ever
>9/11 never happened.
One of the alternate dimensions explored in Spider-Man TAS was a universe where Peter stopped the burglar and Uncle Ben lived.
Pete became an arrogant Tony Stark type, beloved by everyone and married to Gwen Stacey.
Based. That's the true Parker luck, not that sadboy "abloo-abloo my life sucks" shit.
Follow fate and become the hero we know, get with MJ. Change fate and become millionaire gigachud, get with Gwen.
I bet if he had become a criminal or at least an antihero, he would've gotten with Felicia.
Originally the wrestling guy did nothing wrong and Peter was just being an butthole
>This is the shit that Jesus wouldn't turn his cheek for.
implying
>How the FRICK is Peter in any way in the wrong?
Because from a Ditko perspective failing to do The Right Thing in all situations, regardless of your personal feelings, is a personal failing. It does not matter that the promoter ripped him off in the movie version, or if he just doesn't care in other versions. Peter is therefore punished by having the exact guy he could have stopped kill Uncle Ben: now his failure to act correctly, to Do the Right Thing, HAS impacted him personally.
Teach him to be a punching back for scumbags is the moral of this story.
No wonder peole didn't really jive with this PTSD induced "niceness" punching back b***h homie.
And Maguire can only emote "why you kick my dog, sir...why?" in every fricking scene with the occasional goofy laugh.
>He was white, Peter
>All these years protesting the Civil Rights Act, and one of my own gets me.
>Was I wrong boy?