All I see is a bunch of gays being controlled so thoroughly by ideology none of you have a single original thought in your brittle skulls.
Now talk about Man in Black and why it was so based, homosexuals.
The opening scene where the men in black lets heaps of Mexicans into the country and clowns the border patrol would have made chuds so angry if the movie was recent.
it was prior to will smith's gigantic ego ruining everything. people whine about studio meddling but smith meddling is other world. he would have rewritten his lines and found a way to shoehorn his family members into it. he is trash
>extremely anti immigration >they literally monitor immigrants with satellites and flag them for law enforcement if they leave their neighborhood
Lol, no.
Yes. The gag with the character is he can regrown body parts that get blown off, but they don't grow back perfectly so each time it happens he gets a little bit more happy mercha- I mean weird looking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shalhoub isn't a merchant he's actually raised Catholic.
maybe but it would also get called fascist from the left >zed is a straight white male >lee is a straight white male >smith plays a straight character >no pandering to homosexuals or trannies >majority white male cast
the pendulum swings both ways homie
You could never feel the director or the writers preaching you about marxism at any point in the movie. A white male working together with a black guy to save the world together. No it wouldn't be called woke.
I think it's called The Crucible, it's about witches but it's a thinly veiled reference to the house unamerican activities commission. Something doesn't have to be a dry political tract to be Marxist in nature.
It came out in the golden age of moviemaking, when racism just wasn't a thing anymore, and most of the studios just wanted to make fun movies for a costumer base who only wanted to have fun. No heavy-handed political pandering or agendas, just plain entertainment with some political themes on the side.
If you call this woke, you just show everyone how little grasp you have on what woke means.
Having a black character by itself is not wokeness.
Golden age of Will Smith as well. He was a cool guy. You just wanted to see him in movies. There was no nefarious thought process, just "America loves Will Smith".
There's a couple of fairly large "We made everything look like it's 1969" set pieces. Period movies like that are seldom cheap.
Also it might just be the nature of the characters but MIB3 had quite possibly the most effective time travel/prequel/bullshit retcon I've ever seen. It obviously wasn't planned in advance, yet K immediately taking to J because he saw him lose his father as a child and never fricking mentioning it both to keep the timeline stable and because he never talks about anything was somehow 100% believable and in character. Josh Brolin was also so good that you genuinely forget that you're not looking at Time Warped Tommy Lee Jones for two-thirds of the movie.
Hell, one of the agents even complains how they used to keep the space scum out but not anymore with open borders for earth, with the MIBs being on cleanup rather than prevention
a forgettable shitfest isn't that bad. a horrible franchise death is what happened to terminator or stool wars, where the newest woke title canonically invalidates everything that came before it.
It took me twenty years to realize that Will Smith puckers his lips drinking the lemonade because the wife gave all her sugar to the bug alien the night before.
If it came out in 2022 would be called woke because it would be woke and shit and only leftards would like it out of spite.
Lukily it was made before wokeshit
There is a joke in MiB where K keeps introducing Woll Smoth under fake names like Mr. White, Mr. Black, Mr. Brown... there is no real point to this little gag and its very brief but it is funny and shows K has a sharp, restrained humor and is busting J's chops. That joke would not be in it today. If it was the movie would be b***hed at for being racist and Tommy Lee Jones would be hounded until he apologized even though he didn't write the script.
its honestly not a bad strategy. when thinking up names on the fly, you might mix up your name and your partner's name. by making sure each name pulls from seperate defining categories, theres less chance of mixup when under pressure
>why don't you take junior here >go get'em, tiger
I always wondered why Zed was the only one with a name.
It wasn't until years later I learned that some idiots pronounce the last letter of the alphabet Zed.
I rewatched the movie recently and a fun corollary to the joke is that K's real pre-MIB/post-MIB name is 'Kevin Brown'. So not only was K making a funny joke, he was referencing the fact that J would replace him by the end of the movie. >It's like pottery, it rhymes.
Yes, it's not a big deal but it's subtle, clever, funny, this kind of thing adds layers to a movie along with some humor and a bit of edge. You can't have that anymore. Everything has to be super obvious for basedboys. Like Will puckering his lips drinking the lemonade someone brought up. Really subtle, easy to miss, but funny. The 90s weren't the smartest decade, but they were smarter than now.
Will Smith literally looks at him when he gets called stuff like Mr. Black. He is taking it racially. Either K us being racial to mess with him and haze the new guy or he's not and J is being paranoid. Either way it's funny and it's meant to be noticed.
Part of what makes men in black funny is that will smith talks in slang and ebonics despite being a federal agent while agent K acts all professional and judges him and makes disappointed faces.
It's a buddy cop movie except with aliens, having two characters with wildly different personalities who shouldn't get along but do and work well together is a staple of the genre.
How could you miss that? What about when he first shows up to the exam and he's wearing street clothes and acting like a ghetto baboon while everyone else is clean ctlut in uniforms staring at him in utter disgust? K is the only one who actually has faith in him and the whole movie he's acting that way partly to test him and partly thinking "was I wrong and he's just a dumbass?"
You didn't realise that whole scene was about them looking for people who think outside the box and have alternative thinking skills?
He moved the table because he thought differently and had problem solving skills.
He didn't shoot the aliens because he didn't judge them on how they looked.
And then later his alternative way of thinking pays off when he realises orions belt is the cats collar.
How could you miss that? What about when he first shows up to the exam and he's wearing street clothes and acting like a ghetto baboon while everyone else is clean ctlut in uniforms staring at him in utter disgust? K is the only one who actually has faith in him and the whole movie he's acting that way partly to test him and partly thinking "was I wrong and he's just a dumbass?"
I like to think his bullshit excuse on the firing range was actually 100% correct in-universe
A horrific looking monster can in fact just be an innocent civilian minding his own business, and an eight-year-old girl wandering around alone at night with quantum physics textbooks is in fact an alarming threat
You didn't realise that whole scene was about them looking for people who think outside the box and have alternative thinking skills?
He moved the table because he thought differently and had problem solving skills.
He didn't shoot the aliens because he didn't judge them on how they looked.
And then later his alternative way of thinking pays off when he realises orions belt is the cats collar.
I think the movie went over your head.
How could you miss that? What about when he first shows up to the exam and he's wearing street clothes and acting like a ghetto baboon while everyone else is clean ctlut in uniforms staring at him in utter disgust? K is the only one who actually has faith in him and the whole movie he's acting that way partly to test him and partly thinking "was I wrong and he's just a dumbass?"
It's neat how either could be correct at any time. Maybe him moving the table was 100% correct. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe him shooting the little girl was correct. Maybe it wasn't but his BS excuse was perfectly logical and impressed them.
They sat them away from the table and gave them nothing to write on and they all say their trying to awkwardly write on the paper on the weird egg chairs.
It was a problem solving test.
Will you solve the problem or will you go along with the normal way of thinking.
Yeah, it was made ambiguous. And if it remained like that it would still be miles better than that shitty retcon they did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think they made it like that so you wouldn't pick up on it the first time you watched it...
But if you watched it enough times you could realise it was a test to weed out NPCs who don't question things from joining.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But if you watched it enough times you could realise it was a test to weed out NPCs who don't question things from joining.
I'm still not sure. Zed's reaction is a sigh. I think K really saw some tenacity that he could train to be his replacement, and that was it. He probably was interviewing candidates for a while and always feeling that the right guy wasn't going to be in there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just watch it again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Funnily enough, in the comics the story is quite bleak when compared; agents literally kill witness when neuralyzer is not an option, or in tricky situations. Also, the Agency wants to control the world behind the curtains and they investigate a lot of other stuff besides aliens activity.
Maybe I will. It's about time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually I think I remember a mib cartoon in the 90s that nobody watched.
I had a vague flash back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lots of people watched. It had great animation and it was based on the movie. At least if you are talking about the one that was on Cartoon Network.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was on Cheez tv before school.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I watched it. Like a lot of kids' adaptations, it was less violent and fatal.
Just like MIB 2, they found a bullshit excuse to immediately bring back K. Just like later installments, they made Frank the Pug a more prominent and more good-aligned character. Just like MIB International, the main villain was a former MIB chief that was also a horrible alien mutant. And they made Agent L a main character, something Men in Black was never able to do because apparently Linda Fiorentino was a massive c**t irl.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Frick that one on the far left is a reference to actual reported alien sightings.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they made Frank the Pug a more prominent and more good-aligned character
He didn't really work as a sleazeball. How can you not trust this lil' fella?
I saw the show as a kid and I remember exactly one scene, emblazoned on my memory: >they need Frank to go undercover in some aliens-only club >it's mandatory that he has to remove his Earth disguise >he objects repeatedly, pointing out that J and K have never seen his true form before and he doesn't want them to freak out >J and K assure him that they've seen thousands of ugly aliens in their career and there's nothing he could possibly turn into that would surprise them >He goes "All right guys, it's your funeral" and the dog back zips open >out steps... a little green dog, with two cute little antenna on his head >J and K stare down at him in silence for a moment >K says "I take it back, you are by far the most hideous and terrifying creature I have ever laid eyes on." >J, equally deadpan, adds "I think I just threw up in my mouth a little."
2 years ago
Anonymous
He works as a sleaze ball because pugs look weird.
But still cute enough to not hate him despite being a sleaze ball.
Also because of this movie so many outs are named frank now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Huh, I just assumed from memory that L was played by Carla Gugino.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That brings me back, I used to wake up just after midnight when I was 5-6 years old and watch late night television because my parents made me go to bed way too early. I dont really remember much of what I watched but I remember the mib animated and some Roswell cartoon that always played at nighttime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of people watched that show wtf are you talking about? It was great. I think it got 3 seasons and a proper ending. It even had a remarkably sick bad guy who was basically a serial killer constantly grafting alien body parts to himself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>agents literally kill witness when neuralyzer is not an option
Why would it not be an option? It seems to be able to delete even years from people's lives
2 years ago
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>Why would it not be an option?
Say for some reason you are dealing with a person that's shaken by what they saw or being difficult in general and not complying with any orders, or a few people like drug dealers. I think someone visually impaired that still made some sense of a weird occurrence and might not be sensitive to the full effect of the neuralyzer would just be killed.
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It's neat how either could be correct at any time. Maybe him moving the table was 100% correct. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe him shooting the little girl was correct. Maybe it wasn't but his BS excuse was perfectly logical and impressed them.
I bet little girls wandering in the night saying "Mister, can you help me? I'm lost" are unironically the #1 cause of death among MIB Agents
i dont think you were supposed to shoot anyone. the point of this was to question the given scenario. the girl was just as alien as the rest. its jus that jay had the lowest kill count when the kill count are negative points. fitness was never going to be part of the test because MiB already have your fitness record dating all the way back to your father's sperm count.
But the applicants had no way of knowing about shape shifting aliens, even Jay, who has already been neuralized. And dubious he could read the titles of her books from 100 feet away in a darked room. And if the lesson is, "Ask questions, don't just shoot a snarling monster tearing up the sidewalk (there's no way that was actually intended as a tissue), then wouldn't that apply to Tiffany as well?
Im seriously convinced this movie had such a tight script, like the other anons said, so much attention to details and subtle nods, i like the constant gag where they keep implying all cab drivers are aliens (J mentions it, the morgue lady does also) until they show the actual cab drivers when they chase the bug and they're all just regular humans. It's such a fun script and the first half is genuinely fascinating, i miss those movies where they could be massive blockbusters but still have some thought put into them, nothing artsy but it could get the job done
How did we go from this subtle nuanced brilliance in interactions between two characters in a moronic major studio buddy cop movie about shooting ayyliens to MCU ironic capeshit?
money. identity politics was heavily pushed on the culture after occupy wall street to neutralize the potential threat of anyone on the left bringing back New Deal policies in the wake of the 2008 recession. this made everyone's ego super sensitive when it comes to their identity, so now you have to walk a tight rope and/or pander to certain groups in order to make your profit on anything entertainment related.
A big part of the reason is that blockbuster movies used to be written at a sixth grade level for American audiences, they're now written for a global audience that is quasi-literate, quasi-English speaking, and has little to no shared cultural frame of reference.
Even if a movie has likable actors or exciting setpieces, the uncanny valley ESL quality just ruins everything, inevitably.
A big part of the reason is that blockbuster movies used to be written at a sixth grade level for American audiences, they're now written for a global audience that is quasi-literate, quasi-English speaking, and has little to no shared cultural frame of reference.
Even if a movie has likable actors or exciting setpieces, the uncanny valley ESL quality just ruins everything, inevitably.
money. identity politics was heavily pushed on the culture after occupy wall street to neutralize the potential threat of anyone on the left bringing back New Deal policies in the wake of the 2008 recession. this made everyone's ego super sensitive when it comes to their identity, so now you have to walk a tight rope and/or pander to certain groups in order to make your profit on anything entertainment related.
Worse movies of the same segment started to perform better than the ones with a little more nuance and thought put into, so it became a race to the bottom in everything other metric except the pandering to politics, visuals and low effort comedy (read the other anon talking about identify politics or whatever)
Not woke, but it is glowie propaganda, released very purposefully at a time when American trust in alphabet agencies had begun to waver. >Don't worry chattel, our agents are just like this lovably goofy approachable black man and paternally wise white man
You know many people have actually claimed to be met by men in black after reporting something in the sky?
Thats what this movie was based on.
But if you talk about men in black now many people will go
>Haha it's just a movie
By the original definition of "Men in Black," they themselves weren't human. People who questioned UFO shit too closely found that the shills came in layers, first real military/fed guys would come to warn you off, but if you were a persistent annoyance they'd be followed up by horrifying quasi-demonic things making vague and grammatically bizarre threats.
The very effective analogy I heard one of the redneck schizos make ages ago is that of a duck decoy. Look at a duck decoy. Then look at a duck. Then by the same token, imagine the entity that looks at these motherfrickers, looks at a human, and goes, "Eh, close enough."
>Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. >Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat >Fifteen minutes ago, you knew that men could not be women >Imagine what you'll know tomorrow
Your dad is still very much cool, anon. Maybe your mother wasn't just feeling well. It's your choice how to interpret this. Give her the best charitable view.
Is the movie actually based off this or just same name?
the original comics bares no resemblance with the movies, but after the mib movie was released, they released comic version of the movie, check the wikipedia article
Do people really watch movies and immediately think "chuds/trannies/incels/myself would hate this if X" and then use energy to make a post about their weird obsession?
I feel like I used to, like 4+ years ago, but I just can't imagine doing that anymore. It's become way easier to just view the movie or game in isolation. I just rewatched the Sin City movies and thinking about how others would dislike it while watching just sounds unpleasant. Why would you do that to yourself?
OP is a disingenuous wienersucker because SJW's are claiming that anything made in the past would be attacked as "Woke" when that isn't the case because back then there wasn't a deliberate agenda to shove race, gender and sexual orientation at the forefront of every movie, tv show, video game and comic book and call us racists, sexists, homophobes etc... to shield criticism when they failed because they were garbage focused on identity politics and not telling an entertaining story!!!FACT!!!
any oldgays remember the MIB cartoon? The intro is fricking great. Lots of 90s cartoons had amazing openings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAePIyC4kQ
I had that song as a ringtone. It's by some guy named Kid Koala that I've never seen a picture of when I search online. Now I just found him on Wikipedia, but I remember not existing much about him back in the day.
Patriarchal Oppressors in a stolen Identity promoting horrible anti Immigration sentiment.
BTW the bug wanting to invade the world so his family can consume it, would be the good guy.
No it wouldnt. Stop making these gaslighting threads, homosexual.
Anyway, I wish they had made it a bit less wacky and more serious. A serious men in black type movie would be pretty cool.
Also the cgi has aged horribly in these.
It's been awhile but isn't Will Smiths character chosen because he's a street wise cop, from the streets? He's like like ghetto counterpart to Jones' straight edge character using ghetto slang and shit. If it were a woke movie he would be the most well spoken and intelligent character who is always getting judged because he's black n shieet and educating the other characters (but really the audience) about black oppreshun and white privilege and buck breaking.
>It's been awhile but isn't Will Smiths character chosen because he's a street wise cop, from the streets?
If you take the retcon into account it's because J's father helped save the planet or something and K felt obliged to keep an eye on him.
It's been awhile but isn't Will Smiths character chosen because he's a street wise cop, from the streets? He's like like ghetto counterpart to Jones' straight edge character using ghetto slang and shit. If it were a woke movie he would be the most well spoken and intelligent character who is always getting judged because he's black n shieet and educating the other characters (but really the audience) about black oppreshun and white privilege and buck breaking.
Retcon or not, in the first movie J is brought to the MIB's attention when he actually manages to arrest an alien on foot during what he thinks is a normal police chase. MIB3's retcon sort of works because of K's very taciturn method - Zed flat out says he doesn't like J and doesn't think he's fit for the MIB and K simply pressures him to allow him in anyway, solely based on his "gut"
By chuds probably
Only trannies use that word
you're not wrong
Okay /misc/tard
>polpolpolpolpol
literally npc defense mode
All I see is a bunch of gays being controlled so thoroughly by ideology none of you have a single original thought in your brittle skulls.
Now talk about Man in Black and why it was so based, homosexuals.
People just don't like talking to moronic schizos.
twitter would just try to make this quote about gender
The opening scene where the men in black lets heaps of Mexicans into the country and clowns the border patrol would have made chuds so angry if the movie was recent.
Plus it has a black lead actor.
Oh yeah, i'm shocked no one has brought that up as racist these days.
Right before they shoot the unarmed undocumented individual in the back and blow him into blue goo
it was prior to will smith's gigantic ego ruining everything. people whine about studio meddling but smith meddling is other world. he would have rewritten his lines and found a way to shoehorn his family members into it. he is trash
The net has rotted your brain. Seek help, or at least stop posting.
Will Smith is uncle tom
Will Smith is a homosexual and so are you.
>Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell records
>Well I do, so frick him and frick you too
You're a genuine moron, I hope you get hit by a bus
It's called broke now incel, keep up sweetie
>extremely anti immigration
>they literally monitor immigrants with satellites and flag them for law enforcement if they leave their neighborhood
Lol, no.
they live on earth on the pretense theyre not allowed to let humans know theyre there
super
woke
Why does this actor look so familiar.
Monk
Does he have a fake node or something?
Yes. The gag with the character is he can regrown body parts that get blown off, but they don't grow back perfectly so each time it happens he gets a little bit more happy mercha- I mean weird looking.
Shalhoub isn't a merchant he's actually raised Catholic.
It's a jungle out there
Disorder and confusion everywhere
So they violate freedom on speech as well. Horrible.
The israelite can assume many forms.
maybe but it would also get called fascist from the left
>zed is a straight white male
>lee is a straight white male
>smith plays a straight character
>no pandering to homosexuals or trannies
>majority white male cast
the pendulum swings both ways homie
They don’t seem to be mad about it now
Chud here. I wasnt mad but now I am!
President of Chuds: we support MiB AND rush hour
You could never feel the director or the writers preaching you about marxism at any point in the movie. A white male working together with a black guy to save the world together. No it wouldn't be called woke.
You're a /misc/ schizo.
I can tell by the way you type.
Dumb phoneposter
How could you tell?
Name one Marxist movie made by Hollywood. And don't start on "muh cultural Frankfort school"
Name one Marxist country
There isn't one your move
>There isn't one
I guess one can have marxist ideas in it even if it isn't nominally marxist then
Freedonia
Falling Down
The Soviet Union invested heavily in Hollywood every year they were around, but no there's no Marxism in Hollywood.
I think it's called The Crucible, it's about witches but it's a thinly veiled reference to the house unamerican activities commission. Something doesn't have to be a dry political tract to be Marxist in nature.
The third movie is from 10 years ago and even that, you couldn't get away with making today
Me on the bottom
AHAHAHAHAHAHAANGH
isn't this just the joke from the inbetweeners but shittier?
lol pretty good joke
Frick the haters, I liked MiB3.
I thought there's zero dispute that it's 1 > 3 > 2 >>>>>>> International, which is not a harsh condemnation of 3
>International
I already forgot that was a thing.
you are correct there is no dispute 3 is a good movie
I dont think so. It's about immigration control and why it's a good thing.
It came out in the golden age of moviemaking, when racism just wasn't a thing anymore, and most of the studios just wanted to make fun movies for a costumer base who only wanted to have fun. No heavy-handed political pandering or agendas, just plain entertainment with some political themes on the side.
If you call this woke, you just show everyone how little grasp you have on what woke means.
Having a black character by itself is not wokeness.
Go leave
Talking about politics in a thread about wokeness.. ...completely unacceptable
You're on /misc/, b***h.
Golden age of Will Smith as well. He was a cool guy. You just wanted to see him in movies. There was no nefarious thought process, just "America loves Will Smith".
I have to remind you guys that they actually made Woke Men In Black
Somehow the world got Neuralyzed about it
Because nobody wanted to go see that.
This is so much worse when you realize it's not inflation adjusted.
As in, MIB1 made $935 million in 2019 money
I watched about 20 minutes of international on Netflix and then turned it off.
Why was the budget for 3 so high even accounting for will smith's salary it makes zero sense
There's a couple of fairly large "We made everything look like it's 1969" set pieces. Period movies like that are seldom cheap.
Also it might just be the nature of the characters but MIB3 had quite possibly the most effective time travel/prequel/bullshit retcon I've ever seen. It obviously wasn't planned in advance, yet K immediately taking to J because he saw him lose his father as a child and never fricking mentioning it both to keep the timeline stable and because he never talks about anything was somehow 100% believable and in character. Josh Brolin was also so good that you genuinely forget that you're not looking at Time Warped Tommy Lee Jones for two-thirds of the movie.
Brolin's Tommy Lee Jones impression is so good it sounds dubbed.
Does this movie actually exist? I think I've seen it but I can't remember anything from it
The good guys were the bad guys and Thor was neuralyzed by Qui-Gon before he teamed up with Valkyrie.
Liam Neeson turns into this, which I'm sure we'll all agree is much more creative and dynamic than the Vincent D'Nofrio roach design
Man, how soulless.
Ok there's no way I ever watched this
I feel the same way about the last Bond film. In the movie's defense, I was very drunk when I watched it.
I remember it having them b***h about the men in the title in the trailer, but that's about it.
Hell, one of the agents even complains how they used to keep the space scum out but not anymore with open borders for earth, with the MIBs being on cleanup rather than prevention
What a waste of bandwidth downloading it.
holy shit, really forgot about it
Everybody did. MiB franchise had a horribly death.
>horrible
a forgettable shitfest isn't that bad. a horrible franchise death is what happened to terminator or stool wars, where the newest woke title canonically invalidates everything that came before it.
>tessa thompson making a smug pouty face as usual
wouldn't watch this if they paid me.
It took me twenty years to realize that Will Smith puckers his lips drinking the lemonade because the wife gave all her sugar to the bug alien the night before.
I never realised
Oh.
i realized, i was actually wierded out that they never comment on it cause even as a kid, i thought it was too vague
Oh. I just thought she was shit at making lemonade, like everything in the house was shit too. Nice one, anon.
If it came out in 2022 would be called woke because it would be woke and shit and only leftards would like it out of spite.
Lukily it was made before wokeshit
There is a joke in MiB where K keeps introducing Woll Smoth under fake names like Mr. White, Mr. Black, Mr. Brown... there is no real point to this little gag and its very brief but it is funny and shows K has a sharp, restrained humor and is busting J's chops. That joke would not be in it today. If it was the movie would be b***hed at for being racist and Tommy Lee Jones would be hounded until he apologized even though he didn't write the script.
>go the the morgue
>K introduces himself as Mr. Black and J as Mr. White
>J just looks at K for a moment
That's the thing
K gives himself "real" names and he gives J color names.
>Dr. Leo Menville, Department of Public Health. This is Dr. White.
>How do you do, ma'am? I'm Special Agent Manheim, this is Agent Black, FBI.
its honestly not a bad strategy. when thinking up names on the fly, you might mix up your name and your partner's name. by making sure each name pulls from seperate defining categories, theres less chance of mixup when under pressure
Never realised that joke.
Because earlier on he very seriously tells K not to call him "kid", "sport" or any of that shit.
Which K follows with immediately calling him "slick".
Man, these movies were great.
>why don't you take junior here
>go get'em, tiger
I always wondered why Zed was the only one with a name.
It wasn't until years later I learned that some idiots pronounce the last letter of the alphabet Zed.
>some idiots
We call them Britshits.
I'm Australian and I say it the proper way too.
In Australia kids used to get annoyed their parents said dragon ball zed.
>Muuuum, stop calling it dragon ball zed it's dragon ball z.
>No, I'm not a stupid American so I am going to say it the right way plus all the toys say dragon ball zed on them.
>Doctor... Whatever! Come here!
Always cracks me up.
Don't forget him standing there like a moron ignoring the coroner as she calls out "Dr. White" five times until K prods him forward
I rewatched the movie recently and a fun corollary to the joke is that K's real pre-MIB/post-MIB name is 'Kevin Brown'. So not only was K making a funny joke, he was referencing the fact that J would replace him by the end of the movie.
>It's like pottery, it rhymes.
Yes, it's not a big deal but it's subtle, clever, funny, this kind of thing adds layers to a movie along with some humor and a bit of edge. You can't have that anymore. Everything has to be super obvious for basedboys. Like Will puckering his lips drinking the lemonade someone brought up. Really subtle, easy to miss, but funny. The 90s weren't the smartest decade, but they were smarter than now.
He uses names that start with "M" for himself, too, so maybe it's just so he can consistently come up with names without thinking too hard.
"I'm Special Agent Manheim, this is Special Agent Black."
"I'm Dr. Menville, this is Dr. White"
Maybe it isn't even that deep and our current political era has poisoned your mind to see patterns that aren't even there.
Manheim, Black
Men In Black
I get it.
Will Smith literally looks at him when he gets called stuff like Mr. Black. He is taking it racially. Either K us being racial to mess with him and haze the new guy or he's not and J is being paranoid. Either way it's funny and it's meant to be noticed.
Back when you could make a joke.
chuds call everything woke now,. its lost all meaning
Just stop being woke, then
stop being racist nazis then
You first, left-fascist
Here comes the troony in socks
Hanging from the rafters
Here comes the troonygay
They dont pass as women
>basically alien ICE
nope, if it were made today it would be about Agent J defending poor illegal immigrants from Agent K the evil old white man.
I just realised something.
Part of what makes men in black funny is that will smith talks in slang and ebonics despite being a federal agent while agent K acts all professional and judges him and makes disappointed faces.
It's a buddy cop movie except with aliens, having two characters with wildly different personalities who shouldn't get along but do and work well together is a staple of the genre.
Yeah but it's tots problematic now.
How could you miss that? What about when he first shows up to the exam and he's wearing street clothes and acting like a ghetto baboon while everyone else is clean ctlut in uniforms staring at him in utter disgust? K is the only one who actually has faith in him and the whole movie he's acting that way partly to test him and partly thinking "was I wrong and he's just a dumbass?"
You didn't realise that whole scene was about them looking for people who think outside the box and have alternative thinking skills?
He moved the table because he thought differently and had problem solving skills.
He didn't shoot the aliens because he didn't judge them on how they looked.
And then later his alternative way of thinking pays off when he realises orions belt is the cats collar.
I think the movie went over your head.
I like to think his bullshit excuse on the firing range was actually 100% correct in-universe
A horrific looking monster can in fact just be an innocent civilian minding his own business, and an eight-year-old girl wandering around alone at night with quantum physics textbooks is in fact an alarming threat
It's neat how either could be correct at any time. Maybe him moving the table was 100% correct. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe him shooting the little girl was correct. Maybe it wasn't but his BS excuse was perfectly logical and impressed them.
No think about it.
They sat them away from the table and gave them nothing to write on and they all say their trying to awkwardly write on the paper on the weird egg chairs.
It was a problem solving test.
Will you solve the problem or will you go along with the normal way of thinking.
Go watch the scene again.
Yeah, it was made ambiguous. And if it remained like that it would still be miles better than that shitty retcon they did.
I think they made it like that so you wouldn't pick up on it the first time you watched it...
But if you watched it enough times you could realise it was a test to weed out NPCs who don't question things from joining.
>But if you watched it enough times you could realise it was a test to weed out NPCs who don't question things from joining.
I'm still not sure. Zed's reaction is a sigh. I think K really saw some tenacity that he could train to be his replacement, and that was it. He probably was interviewing candidates for a while and always feeling that the right guy wasn't going to be in there.
Just watch it again.
Funnily enough, in the comics the story is quite bleak when compared; agents literally kill witness when neuralyzer is not an option, or in tricky situations. Also, the Agency wants to control the world behind the curtains and they investigate a lot of other stuff besides aliens activity.
Maybe I will. It's about time.
Actually I think I remember a mib cartoon in the 90s that nobody watched.
I had a vague flash back.
Lots of people watched. It had great animation and it was based on the movie. At least if you are talking about the one that was on Cartoon Network.
It was on Cheez tv before school.
I watched it. Like a lot of kids' adaptations, it was less violent and fatal.
Just like MIB 2, they found a bullshit excuse to immediately bring back K. Just like later installments, they made Frank the Pug a more prominent and more good-aligned character. Just like MIB International, the main villain was a former MIB chief that was also a horrible alien mutant. And they made Agent L a main character, something Men in Black was never able to do because apparently Linda Fiorentino was a massive c**t irl.
Frick that one on the far left is a reference to actual reported alien sightings.
>they made Frank the Pug a more prominent and more good-aligned character
He didn't really work as a sleazeball. How can you not trust this lil' fella?
I saw the show as a kid and I remember exactly one scene, emblazoned on my memory:
>they need Frank to go undercover in some aliens-only club
>it's mandatory that he has to remove his Earth disguise
>he objects repeatedly, pointing out that J and K have never seen his true form before and he doesn't want them to freak out
>J and K assure him that they've seen thousands of ugly aliens in their career and there's nothing he could possibly turn into that would surprise them
>He goes "All right guys, it's your funeral" and the dog back zips open
>out steps... a little green dog, with two cute little antenna on his head
>J and K stare down at him in silence for a moment
>K says "I take it back, you are by far the most hideous and terrifying creature I have ever laid eyes on."
>J, equally deadpan, adds "I think I just threw up in my mouth a little."
He works as a sleaze ball because pugs look weird.
But still cute enough to not hate him despite being a sleaze ball.
Also because of this movie so many outs are named frank now.
Huh, I just assumed from memory that L was played by Carla Gugino.
That brings me back, I used to wake up just after midnight when I was 5-6 years old and watch late night television because my parents made me go to bed way too early. I dont really remember much of what I watched but I remember the mib animated and some Roswell cartoon that always played at nighttime.
A lot of people watched that show wtf are you talking about? It was great. I think it got 3 seasons and a proper ending. It even had a remarkably sick bad guy who was basically a serial killer constantly grafting alien body parts to himself.
>agents literally kill witness when neuralyzer is not an option
Why would it not be an option? It seems to be able to delete even years from people's lives
>Why would it not be an option?
Say for some reason you are dealing with a person that's shaken by what they saw or being difficult in general and not complying with any orders, or a few people like drug dealers. I think someone visually impaired that still made some sense of a weird occurrence and might not be sensitive to the full effect of the neuralyzer would just be killed.
You weren't meant to shoot the aliens.
That was the actual test.
No, I think you were but J's explanation made sense to them.
I bet little girls wandering in the night saying "Mister, can you help me? I'm lost" are unironically the #1 cause of death among MIB Agents
That makes a lot of sense. lol
i dont think you were supposed to shoot anyone. the point of this was to question the given scenario. the girl was just as alien as the rest. its jus that jay had the lowest kill count when the kill count are negative points. fitness was never going to be part of the test because MiB already have your fitness record dating all the way back to your father's sperm count.
You notice how good J's aim was though?
>To question the given scenario
That's just like the chairs nowhere near the table and need something to write on scene.
They also add more to how he doesn't judge them based on their appearance when he goes
>Aww you brought that tall man some flowers
But the applicants had no way of knowing about shape shifting aliens, even Jay, who has already been neuralized. And dubious he could read the titles of her books from 100 feet away in a darked room. And if the lesson is, "Ask questions, don't just shoot a snarling monster tearing up the sidewalk (there's no way that was actually intended as a tissue), then wouldn't that apply to Tiffany as well?
Don't over think it.
But I do somewhat agree with you.
it was outright confirmed in the novellization.
Also the same girl was a disguise of a bug queen in the animated series, adding layers to it.
Also to add to this.
Agent J asks why are we here showing he has a brain that questions things instead of being an NPC. (Which is what the MIB look for)
Then that guy goes
>We are here because we are the best of the best.
And J laughs at him for being an NPC and not even wanting to know or question things.
Then J feels awkward but the MIB are actually looking for people who question things.
Im seriously convinced this movie had such a tight script, like the other anons said, so much attention to details and subtle nods, i like the constant gag where they keep implying all cab drivers are aliens (J mentions it, the morgue lady does also) until they show the actual cab drivers when they chase the bug and they're all just regular humans. It's such a fun script and the first half is genuinely fascinating, i miss those movies where they could be massive blockbusters but still have some thought put into them, nothing artsy but it could get the job done
Yeah it was a better time. Frick even Michael Bay movies were smart then. The Rock came out in 1996.
A better example would be Aliens
If made now if would be make woke, unlike the original, yes.
Everything woke becomes shit
>from the director of wild wild west and the addams family
The joke of Morticia reading to young kids has been surpassed by reality and drag queens
No it wouldn't. They portray illegal aliens as illegal aliens. Puerto Ricans would try to cancel it.
Amazing what you catch on an adult rewatch of movies you grew up with.
Such as?
How did we go from this subtle nuanced brilliance in interactions between two characters in a moronic major studio buddy cop movie about shooting ayyliens to MCU ironic capeshit?
money. identity politics was heavily pushed on the culture after occupy wall street to neutralize the potential threat of anyone on the left bringing back New Deal policies in the wake of the 2008 recession. this made everyone's ego super sensitive when it comes to their identity, so now you have to walk a tight rope and/or pander to certain groups in order to make your profit on anything entertainment related.
Bang on the money!!! Based post.
A big part of the reason is that blockbuster movies used to be written at a sixth grade level for American audiences, they're now written for a global audience that is quasi-literate, quasi-English speaking, and has little to no shared cultural frame of reference.
Even if a movie has likable actors or exciting setpieces, the uncanny valley ESL quality just ruins everything, inevitably.
that’s horrifying but you’re right
this is true, also.
so again, money.
MIB did better in international waters than in the US and Canada together.
those sequential dubs replying to the same post.
Worse movies of the same segment started to perform better than the ones with a little more nuance and thought put into, so it became a race to the bottom in everything other metric except the pandering to politics, visuals and low effort comedy (read the other anon talking about identify politics or whatever)
Amazing how leftards genuinely can't tell whats wrong with their movies even when they compare them to actual movies8v2r2 made before their regime
this LMAO
also the whole historical amnesia of "lets appropriate established franchises since no one is paying attention to our Black person movies"
Not woke, but it is glowie propaganda, released very purposefully at a time when American trust in alphabet agencies had begun to waver.
>Don't worry chattel, our agents are just like this lovably goofy approachable black man and paternally wise white man
You know many people have actually claimed to be met by men in black after reporting something in the sky?
Thats what this movie was based on.
But if you talk about men in black now many people will go
>Haha it's just a movie
By the original definition of "Men in Black," they themselves weren't human. People who questioned UFO shit too closely found that the shills came in layers, first real military/fed guys would come to warn you off, but if you were a persistent annoyance they'd be followed up by horrifying quasi-demonic things making vague and grammatically bizarre threats.
The very effective analogy I heard one of the redneck schizos make ages ago is that of a duck decoy. Look at a duck decoy. Then look at a duck. Then by the same token, imagine the entity that looks at these motherfrickers, looks at a human, and goes, "Eh, close enough."
Glad someone responded even though this post is a bit too schizo for me.
>Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe.
>Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat
>Fifteen minutes ago, you knew that men could not be women
>Imagine what you'll know tomorrow
???how it doesnt force propaganda down ur throat. and has a good script/acting
>no gays
>no trannies
>no raceswapping
>no badly written speech moralizing the audience
>best character is an old white male
How?
Because moron zoomers think simply having a black main character = woke.
Anon, time is linear.
Did mib predict amber heard?
the original comic book is better
nope
you should read it, it´s not sanitized as the movies
Not him, but exactly: it's bleak af.
You know what I remember about men in black?
When it came out dad wanted to take us to see a movie.
We bought pop corn and everything and dad got us all excited to see it.
And then my mum says "actually I don't feel like seeing a movie" and started nagging him.
So we just hoped out of line and walked off.
My mum is such a b***h
Your dad is still very much cool, anon. Maybe your mother wasn't just feeling well. It's your choice how to interpret this. Give her the best charitable view.
Damn bro sorry that happened to you. Any feet pics of your mum?
that´s more of a compliment than anything else
the original comics bares no resemblance with the movies, but after the mib movie was released, they released comic version of the movie, check the wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_in_Black_(comics)
Is the movie actually based off this or just same name?
Movie is based off it, mainly one issue involving a bug alien, but it's a fairly loose adaptation.
Honestly it really isn't. It's a case of the movie adaptation being superior to the source material.
ok manchild
people actually knew the name will smith prior to this movie being released. they even liked him! he even has charisma?!??
back then before the last ww2 veteran died the israelites behaved a lot more
Yes he was a famous rapper and he was in bad boys and fresh prince you moron.
Do people really watch movies and immediately think "chuds/trannies/incels/myself would hate this if X" and then use energy to make a post about their weird obsession?
I feel like I used to, like 4+ years ago, but I just can't imagine doing that anymore. It's become way easier to just view the movie or game in isolation. I just rewatched the Sin City movies and thinking about how others would dislike it while watching just sounds unpleasant. Why would you do that to yourself?
They were discussing this movie in my office and they all agreed it had badly dated and was problematic nowadays.
So no quite the contrary.
What did they cite specifically?
I've got my own "went over my head for years" MIB moment.
When you realize Smith's theme song is a remix of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMHsNhQBvI
OP is a disingenuous wienersucker because SJW's are claiming that anything made in the past would be attacked as "Woke" when that isn't the case because back then there wasn't a deliberate agenda to shove race, gender and sexual orientation at the forefront of every movie, tv show, video game and comic book and call us racists, sexists, homophobes etc... to shield criticism when they failed because they were garbage focused on identity politics and not telling an entertaining story!!!FACT!!!
Stagecoach (1939) would get called woke in 2022 by chud people.
any oldgays remember the MIB cartoon? The intro is fricking great. Lots of 90s cartoons had amazing openings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAePIyC4kQ
>being born in 1990
>oldgay
It hurts
i remember them not doing much with the girl's new alien partner
I had that song as a ringtone. It's by some guy named Kid Koala that I've never seen a picture of when I search online. Now I just found him on Wikipedia, but I remember not existing much about him back in the day.
They actually got some of the actors to reprise their roles for this. I know D'Onofrio was part of the main cast.
it's almost like continuous race swapping and controversy casting takes away from legitimate roles given to good actors?
Patriarchal Oppressors in a stolen Identity promoting horrible anti Immigration sentiment.
BTW the bug wanting to invade the world so his family can consume it, would be the good guy.
No it wouldnt. Stop making these gaslighting threads, homosexual.
Anyway, I wish they had made it a bit less wacky and more serious. A serious men in black type movie would be pretty cool.
Also the cgi has aged horribly in these.
>Why is this buddy cop movie about aliens so wacky? Why can't it be hardboiled noir?
It's been awhile but isn't Will Smiths character chosen because he's a street wise cop, from the streets? He's like like ghetto counterpart to Jones' straight edge character using ghetto slang and shit. If it were a woke movie he would be the most well spoken and intelligent character who is always getting judged because he's black n shieet and educating the other characters (but really the audience) about black oppreshun and white privilege and buck breaking.
>It's been awhile but isn't Will Smiths character chosen because he's a street wise cop, from the streets?
If you take the retcon into account it's because J's father helped save the planet or something and K felt obliged to keep an eye on him.
Retcon or not, in the first movie J is brought to the MIB's attention when he actually manages to arrest an alien on foot during what he thinks is a normal police chase. MIB3's retcon sort of works because of K's very taciturn method - Zed flat out says he doesn't like J and doesn't think he's fit for the MIB and K simply pressures him to allow him in anyway, solely based on his "gut"
Face it: it would have been kino
unironically
Was that really gonna be the title?
>Men in Black
>Rush Hour
which do you prefer? I think I’d take Rush Hour. Both are great but Rush Hour has martial arts
Get the frick out of here with your shitposting
This movie wasn't pushing twitter propaganda though.
It's almost like calling anything "woke" is a vague and arbitrary description.
was it capeshit ?