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This shit is ridiculous

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    and that's a good thing

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wizards sucks and Bakshi's a hukster and a hack.

    The morality of that movie is all kinds of fricked up, right out of the gate in the prologue it's "Two wizards were born, one was beautiful and good, the other was ugly and evil" Bizarrely neolithic attitudes about connecting physical attributes with virtue or lack thereof.

    The main conceit of the movie is the antagonist crushing magic and fantasy with industrialization and fascist imagery, and what does the protagonist do to defeat this? Shoots the villain with a gun, the purest symbol of industrialized violence. And were supposed to applaud this?
    That would be one thing if it was clear Bakshi intended there to be a greater point to this act, but it's clearly played in such a way that we're supposed to applaud it as a heroic moment. The movie conveys a lot of fricked up morality that I don't think Bakshi was clever enough to be aware he was condoning.

    Also finding out that your average Japanese or Eastern European animated film from the same era had one-fifth of the budget Bakshi regularly had and yet were generally more impressive and cohesive visually and artistically than his films doesn't speak well of his "talent".

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The bit about the Japanese slops is where you lost it completely. Reeks of pasta, but whatever. I like to think that there are indeed people that fully moronic. It makes me feel better about myself. Thanks.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's great how out of that whole diatribe, the mere mention of Japan triggers homosexuals like this.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're supposed to watch it for the stylistic presentation. if you go into every single movie expecting an engaging moral dilemma at the center of it you're gonna have a bad time.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        t. slop-slurper

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you're right on a lot of points. Movie made no sense and was a dumb ending. Rotoscope was cool and probably saved them a bunch of $

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bakshi's a hukster and a hack.
      not seen wizards
      and i agree bakshi movies all suck in their execution
      but i still like the ones ive seen and want to see the others for what the attempts were -, i like the animation style, and the edgy adult oriented cartoon themes presented before the era where these subjects are not run of the mill
      and all are either old nyc or fantasy setting and i like both of those also

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        True, especially good watching while on acid

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I made this thread after tripping and watching this plus fantastic planet lol

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based, what were you tripping? I did it to 5 tabs of acid and woooh boy that was fun. I'd love to see it in VR tby.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nailed it, total Hebrew nonsense.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was more bothered by him just forgiving the moronic bimbo.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Filtered. Bakshi isn't focused on glossy production but more just general atmosphere, which he's good at. A lot of Bakshi movies are kind of weird and jumbled narratively but that makes them what they are and it's a lot more memorable than the soulless animated shit that comes out today.

      If you want "cleaner" animated movies that are still similar to Bakshi's sensibilities, watch Heavy Metal or Rock and Rule.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >heavy metal or rock and rule
        do you have any suggestions that don't suck?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're asking for recs in a really specific niche of the already niche medium of adult animated movies so there's only so much that's out there.

          Honestly, I sometimes like his approach to narrative, but it has to come with the right context. I’ve found it works best when we’re following a distinctly Bakshian protagonist, as in a twenty-something pseudo-intellectual stumbling their way through life and experiencing whatever comes their way, as with Fritz the cat or the runaway hippie son in American Pop.

          I think Heavy Traffic is Bakshi's best movie tbqh. Fritz the Cat is probably the most relevant today but something about Heavy Traffic is insanely comfy to me. American Pop had too much rotoscoping and I thought the sound mixing on that one was kind of weird.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're asking for recs in a really specific niche of the already niche medium of adult animated movies so there's only so much that's out there.
            sadly, it seems the weebs won

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Haven’t seen Heavy Traffic yet, I’ll have to check it out sometime.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, I sometimes like his approach to narrative, but it has to come with the right context. I’ve found it works best when we’re following a distinctly Bakshian protagonist, as in a twenty-something pseudo-intellectual stumbling their way through life and experiencing whatever comes their way, as with Fritz the Cat or the runaway hippie son in American Pop.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I stopped watching the movie after I saw the bad guy sitting on a swastika throne and whipping a pig with a israelitestar on it. Thought it was gay up to that point anyways but that sealed the deal on its unwatchable israeliness.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well we did get one back on that ugly israelite. Check the lyrics too

        ?si=JHXmlZ_KPqFlDkl8

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I stopped watching the movie after I saw the bad guy sitting on a swastika throne and whipping a pig with a israelitestar on it. Thought it was gay up to that point anyways but that sealed the deal on its unwatchable israeliness.

          what's wrong with you?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's sick of your israelite shit. So is everyone.
            You were told this would happen, and it was likely hinted heavily that you'd be sacrificed so your elite caste can escape back into the mountain strongholds to re-emerge later.

            >"They will be expecting to find one of us in the wreckage, brother"
            You are the "the brother" in that scene.

            What, you didn't think the devious coding was only directed at the goy did you?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              you really need to get off the internet for a bit, its not doing your mental health any favors.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's just like me

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's just like me

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        nice twitter meme!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          it do be that way though

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not a good film, but the ending where he just shoots the bad guy unprompted elevates it enormously.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought that was epic as frick and completely caught me off guard

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now watch Damnation Alley, A Boy and His Dog, The Last Man On Earth, The Omega Man, and Terry Gilliam's Twelve Monkeys.

    Then you watched every movie screened at A Post-Apocalyptic Film Festival Presented by Fallout 3.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >A Boy and His Dog
      Or Slipstream. Same general story, but a robot instead of a dog.
      Starring Luke Skywalker, Hudson and Muldoon, directed by Steven Tronman and produced by Gary Starwars.
      It's kinda terrible, but charming.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        mark hamill was in wizards too btw

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’ll never not find it funny how his character shows up for all but a minute before getting unceremoniously shot in the chest and never brought up again.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wizards was a necessary first step to Bakshi's later fantasy works.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's lazy rotoscoping

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        This scene is mostly solarized film, not rotoscoping. Also it's a cool scene regardless of the technique.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          a lot of animated lord of the rings was like that simply because they didn't have enough time/money to rotoscope everything.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animated LOTR is a film I like a lot, but the mismatched, borderline experimental style of animation doesn't really suit the source material.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              LotR came out in 1954 but a lot of its popularity in America came more in the 60s and 70s, it was actually kind of part of the hippie zeitgeist with the whole nature vs industrialization theme and you can see some of that, maybe unintentionally, in the weird acid trip feel of the Bakshi movie.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                gondor was pretty industrial bro, just less than mordor or sauron-man. the general theme was balance vs imbalance.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't like Bakshi. Kinda like Fire&Ice tho.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    its almost worth it just for the bit at the end where the good wizard just pulls a fricking gun

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love this film. The art, voice work, music and story are all fantastic. I still don't know about the ending, I can see it as a show about how your acts lead to your own downfall (bringing forth weaponry and being killed by a gun), but it really seems more like it wasn't thought through, which is a shame. But everything else is still good.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you're claim the moral high ground and holding your nose up, doing something as hypocritical like that really destroys the point though.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah... I genuinely struggle sometimes because of that but, really, are we meant to like the guy? I think that's a valid argument too. He's a hypocrite and truly comes from the same spawn as his brother, just happens to be on the moral side - to most expected viewers.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you're claim the moral high ground and holding your nose up, doing something as hypocritical like that really destroys the point though.

          the only moral response to tyranny is swift and decisive violence. the fact he waited so long is the hypocrisy.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            And he couldn't, idk, magic a lightning bolt up Black Wolf's ass? Some fricking wizard he was, especially considering BW does the usual villain rant when most people would just shoot them on the spot.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              blackwolf was a stronger wizard than avatar. that's why he was confident enough to allow avatar near him. he knew if it came to a battle of magic, he'd win. so avatar brought a fricking gun.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't remember that but either way, still reeks of not only hypocrisy but of capeshit tier bad guy monologuing. He wants to use a gun because BW is stronger fine, but don't act high and mighty about how you're oh so better than the ones who use it the whole time.

                [...]
                what's wrong with you?

                Don't act better than me if you're going to stoop to "my level".

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >guns are automatically bad
                your mind has been poisoned

                shit even their mother knew blackwolf was the stronger wizard, hence why she never told blackwolf to just pull a fricking gun.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Missed the point by miles
                Again, don't act better than me if you know the whole time you're going to do what you preach against.

                THEY SHOWED THIS TO KIDS!? I mean, it's not the worst thing the world but it's really freaking heavy - as you mentioned with the nihilism. There's better films by Bakshi to show to Hebrew kids that touch more on the Hebrew culture. This film isn't the best to educate them on the horrors of the Holocaust... I don't agree that means that was the filmmaker's intent, though. Even if educators came out liking the lead doesn't mean he was meant to be. I mean, look at Homelander and his popularity when he's obviously meant to be hated. But I get were you're coming from, I find nihilism interesting but it's not something I necessarily enjoy.

                Yes, I live in NYC so I know a lot of israelites who remember it fawnly from their middle school days in after-school. Very popular among them for obvious reasons.

                >It's not the best to show kids and educate them on the horror of the holocaust
                It's meant to scare and propagandize them into thinking gentiles are always a hairs breath away from going total Black Wolf on them. It's not meant to educate. Hence why there weren't just Germans in the battle scenes but also Africans. It's meant to symbolize the coming battle against Gog and Magog as their religion predicts.

                >It wasn't their intention
                Dude rotoscoped devil horns and evil eyes on stock footage and showed them as the opposite of what the Germans were during WW2. Germant enacted some of the first pro environmentalist laws in Europe and Beautification programs to make the country look nice instead of an industrial nightmare dystopia. Not to mention they outlawed prostitution and the like. Bakshi ignored all that and put it in to make them seem even more horrible. Not to mention they live in a place described as, iirc, the Scorched Realm or something like that.

                >Homelander
                I mean yeah but he was a cautionary tale where he represents the power of the federal government and what it could lead to in the midst of the GWOT.

                Nihilism can be interesting to explore, but when you're pushing a very israeli angle of it, it becomes too obvious to even the most normie of folks. The Never Ending Story handles nihilism much better

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                killing a tyrant, swiftly and decisively, is not immoral. Not doing so is immoral.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Drugs are bad M'kay
                >Breaking News: Beloved teacher Mr. Makey found dead of a fentanyl overdose.
                At least have some balls and post Sic Semper Tyrannis

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                the movie wasn't a treatise on guns, it was a treatise on tyranny. necron 99 should've clued you into that.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No it was a treatise on how the israelites viewed WW2 and in a more religious sense, the battle of Gog and Magog.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                and how they literally slept on the tyranny of hilter when they should've just shot him.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Agree to disagree then gaygit.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. You are wrong because you're not examining the movie (or bakshi/jews) from enough angles.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Has any israelite ever explored how they are obsessed with self fulfilling prophecies? They always cause their own problems.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                beau is afraid goes pretty hard on that

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Germany revoked their good cookie card once they participated in a GENOCIDE and wanted to go after other land masses. There's not much reason to push them as a "nuanced" force after that. I like socialism, it's a good way of living for all if done correctly but, like commies, they dropped the ball for a large portion of their people (to put it lightly). You can disagree or think that the ends justify the means - I don't know you, so I don't know your actual stance obviously - but programs like that should be for all citizens or they're no better than commies (and revoking citizenship to segregate and mistreat is still doing it to citizens). I think the horns are fitting.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah but they tried to genocide israelites, which is a lofty goal. the only reason they're demonized is because they failed and the survivors gained control of media.

                though, to be perfectly and completely fair, they did only succeed in killing off the good natured israelites.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you like socialism then you think ends justify the means. All of you do. Don't try to be a homosexual about it just admit it.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Considering the movie was shown to kids in Hebrew schools yeah I think we were. As adults, mainly watching because it's cool to look at while high, no. But for kids yeah. I'd have less of a problem with it if it didn't go on and on and on about how horrible humans were and how horrible it was they were still alive. And don't get me started on the historical aspect of it either.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            THEY SHOWED THIS TO KIDS!? I mean, it's not the worst thing the world but it's really freaking heavy - as you mentioned with the nihilism. There's better films by Bakshi to show to Hebrew kids that touch more on the Hebrew culture. This film isn't the best to educate them on the horrors of the Holocaust... I don't agree that means that was the filmmaker's intent, though. Even if educators came out liking the lead doesn't mean he was meant to be. I mean, look at Homelander and his popularity when he's obviously meant to be hated. But I get were you're coming from, I find nihilism interesting but it's not something I necessarily enjoy.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              showing it to kids means they won't think about it much beyond "nazis bad"

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      its you who isn't thinking it through. magic, armies, the systems the villian created protect the antagonist from all consequence of his actions. He thinks hes invulnerable, and one dude just pulls a fricking gun and shoots him.

      because that's all it takes. One man with a gun and tyranny is upended. This is a principle the united states was built upon.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >One man with a gun and tyranny is upended. This is a principle the united states was built upon.
        That's rubbish, the principle that has made America great is respect for the rule of law and separation of powers.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes and no. the second amendment is a failsafe for when the powers aren't so separate, a threat to those who'd seek to consolidate and abuse power. because they're the only people who'd fear an armed populace.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            the second amendment wasn't even interpreted as guaranteeing private gun ownership until DC v. Heller in 2008, prior to that there were basically 0 supreme court cases on it, and it was always thought of as only existing to prevent the federal government from disbanding state militias. Even the guy who wrote it, James Madison, introduced a bill in the Virginia legislature that would have banned carrying in public places for people who weren't in militias. The second amendment was historically not relevant.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              the second amendment was literally written as a response to prohibition of weaponry in england. just like most of the constitution.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                then why did the guy who wrote it introduce a state bill to ban weapons for non-militiamen?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                don't know, don't care, death of the author, death to the author, you're posting on deathoftheauthor.net

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >death of the author
                that's not how constitutional interpretation works. Just admit you're wrong. Private gun ownership is not what has made America the strong stable nation that it is, that's just a fantasy for small people. What makes America great are the lawyers who defend your civil rights and ensure the constitution is upheld.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                you mean the lawyers who ruled that any infringement or limitation on bribery was unconstitutional?

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Lawyers made it good

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                guns for me, not for thee

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Madison writes"
              >Right to keep and bear arms shall not being infringed
              infringes anyway

              Lmao
              Interesting

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually a pretty interesting outlook on the ending. Maybe the magic versions weaponry argument isn't meant to be as much a focus as I have been taking it. Next time I watch it, I'll try to keep this in mind. Thanks for your input.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This has to be the inspiration for the arcade game Joust, right?

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"animated" movie
    >first 5 minutes is padded narration over still images

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    cmon guys, we all know why OP started this thread

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Betrays her annoying heeb husband for Big Mutant wiener
      Typical israeliteess

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you watch labyrinth for the first time while high and get to the fire gang scene

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      i've never seen them called that

      also that was good enough for its own thread

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i've never seen them called that

        >chilly down with the fire gang

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          always heard it as "FAAAG-AAATS"

          it was probably on purpose

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here's the original recording of the song sung by David Bowie

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              still heavily intones "homosexuals"

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                They actually say "wild things" in the original song so the lyrics were changed at some point

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                because the point of the movie is female coming of age, and while hanging out with gay dudes seems safe and fun, there's something you need to fight hard to ignore about it.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the oversaturated rotoscoping and juxtaposition of film segments set to monochrome is disjointed, and clashes with the little animation that there is.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cool World is a weird film

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It looks good at least

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all the b***hing and pearl-clutching over it being rated PG-13 instead of R

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It would've been better as an R film

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          nein. the titillation/temptation of the 2D art was the point, also the harsh reality of it either just being ink on a page or walled kim basinger.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    my 2nd favorite Bakshi movie. Fire and Ice is 1st. I remember buying Wizards when I was about 10 or 11. I had to order it thru Suncoast video at the mall near where I lived and like 2 weeks it came in and I got to enjoy kino.

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    OH MY GOD IS THAT AN OLD RECORDING OF WORLD WAR 2? I'M GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      the script has the villian finding mein kampf but they didn't want to put any of that on screen

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why was he called Crazy again?

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a bunch of /misc/troons have nothing better to do than to argue in a Ralph Bakshi thread
    What, there's not a child actress feet thread for you all to jerk off in?

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