This was better than I expected but I had to stop watching after an hour or so, just too much wokeness for me to stomach. Blacks in a medieval-fantasy setting are just so jarring and out of place and every man except one black guy was depicted as useless, ineffectual, weak, stupid, slimy etc.
>Blacks in a medieval-fantasy setting
There's literally zero logical reason why that shouldn't work.
Because it's just so incongruous, and frankly most of them look so unappealing.
Lmao it's Dungeons and Dragons you fricking moron. Kys.
yeah they should cast them as Orcs like the good ol days
It makes no sense why a setting where majority of people have limited access to easy, fast or instant travel be as multicultural as modern day California.
If you have a place that is multicultural, you better fricking explain it, like it being a huge trade center port city. But at the same time, please do not give them modern black zoomer hairstyles for fricks sake.
That guy is handsome but he's like 50% white and has Caucasian features.
>medieval Europe
The movie isn't set in the historic medieval Europe. It's a fiction.
>There were no Black folk in the Sword's Coast
There were black people in Sword's Coast.
It's based on medieval Europe. We have this argument every thread lol, you're so divorced from reality. Why is Avatar whitewashing and D&D not?
>There were black people in Sword's Coast.
Not *from* the Sword Coasts, they'd always come from some place like Chult, which didn't even exist in 1e. This has them all as native to a setting specifically based on medieval Europe. Listen, I get it. You hate white people, you're ashamed of your race and you desperately want to steal from white culture. Or alternatively, you hate brown people's cultures and you want to force them to dress like and pretend to be white. Anyway you slice it, what you're pushing is moronic and bigoted as frick.
that pic is seriously stupid on so many levels. frick you
Then why don't you list them homosexual? It's obvious it got under your skin. You know it's right, you know you can't counter any of what it says. You're just an anti-white bigot. Eat shit.
>Aang is white because anime eyes
moron
Directed by israelites, what do you expect?
But that article is talking about the writers
Different anon, but while that article talks about the writers, there is an interview with the directors saying word for word the same thing, they even say "But not for woke reasons! We swear, totally not woke! We just like to challenge our male characters!"
which women are on the frontline?
the evil b***h is kinda competent, but shes also an evil b***h
the other two main women arent exactly carrying the team either. they follow the male leads
The frick they are smoking?
The whole movie was about mage getting his confidence and the bard accepting the leader role and becoming a good father.
Shut the frick up it’s the same thread every time.
to be fair, he wasn't a bard. he was a rogue/harper scout.
Wrong. Stop gaslighting.
I only watched half the movie, but didn't see anything bard-like other than having an instrument in his possession.
Is this some weird new cope to explain why the characters don't act like their classes at all? It says Bard on every official piece of merchandise they crapped out for the movie, and Rogues don't carry lutes. Yes, he barely did anything bard-like, but the whole movie was shit.
Druids for example do not use forearm mounted slingshots. Wildshape is just one of their abilities, they carry staffs, use elemental magic, summon animals and elementals.
I'll take your word for it. I am going by what I saw, and as I said I didn't even finish the movie. It seemed to me to be a plot point that he wasn't a bard, just had an instrument for spy work.
you put more thought into the movie than anyone involved in making it did
>Druids for example do not use forearm mounted slingshots.
Did this point actually bother people? I thought it was all right, main characters should have a few cool personalized items
The slingshot itself didn't bother me, no. Her being able to become an owlbear when the rules specifically forbid this but *not* being able to use any other Druid spells or abilities however did bother me.
It would fit if they used actual Africans
I found it difficult to look at Chris Pine's on-screen wife and daughter, they looked so weird and yellowish with huge splayed noses.
Lmao jesus christ
Jesus Christ, it's like a physical slap in the face just looking at them.
Christ Almighty, what the frick dude. I never saw this movie but now I'm not sure I even want to pirate it. Does Chris Pine at least have fun doing fun bard stuff at all???
They went out of their way to find the most gratuitously ugly half-breeds possible and stuck their faces up on the screen. What the frick is going on? It's so blatant.
>Reddit the move
yea it was shit
Imagine making a film inspired by African mythology (they do have one, right?) and shoving random whites and Hispanics into it.
The animal/lizard races struck me as forced diversity as well. Just stand ins for nigs, spics, and israelites. They shoulda called it:
>Wokeness & Wagons
>every main character is basically a human
what were they thinking? it was a perfect opportunity to cast black people as drow
>this movie was LE BAD because I didn't find it aesthetically pleasing
Lmao
>a motion picture doesn't need to have satisfactory picture
If we're going to judge films simply based on how they look then Avatar must be the greatest thing ever made.
D&D was still an entertaining movie despite the inclusion of some non-whites. It's a fantasy flick.
its a European high fantasy flick
just stop it.
With fantasy stories a person is allowed to do whatever they want. It still features a lot from the D&D lore.
Plenty of films out there that look awful but are still highly praised. You can also have the opposite where a film looks amazing but might have awful acting and writing, basically breaking the entire movie.
>you have a fetish! you want this shit!
I really don't care, quit it with the projection. If a film is good, it's good. Plenty of films out there that also have a considerable amount of blacks that are awful. I thought D&D was still good because I didn't let the cast cloud my judgement.
>Plenty of films out there that look awful but are still highly praised.
can you list some for me
the cast is environmental storytelling. dont let yourself get bullied into thinking it doesnt matter. everyone has understood that it does for as long as movies have existed. indeed, the reason to mess with the cast is precisely because it matters
>With fantasy stories a person is allowed to do whatever they want.
You're making excuses because you're an anti-white bigot. Riddle me this autismo, why is the Chinese city in Shang-Chi ethnically homogenous and Wakanda in Black Panther ethnically homogenous but Asgard in Thor needs to be "diversified"? Why do ONLY white settings need to be diversified? If Hollywood treated everything the same it wouldn't feel so overtly hypocritical and hateful.
>I thought D&D was still good because I didn't let the cast cloud my judgement.
Show me a picture of your hand and your voting record, Black person.
What does Marvel have to do with it? This thread is about fantasy, not superhero movies.
Something being "fantasy" doesn't mean you just do away with believablility. It's been explained repeatedly why this argument is bullshit:
If the fantasy is based on Asian culture you expect Asians. If it's based on European culture you expect European actors. Your pathetic cuckold excuse wasn't accepted for Avatar, so why should it be accepted here?
Tell you what, if you admit the movie is shit and you can't defend it just say "It's fantasy" okay? Say that if you admit the movie sucks.
You act like TLA is a good example when it isn't.
The characters in the D&D movie aren't based on any particular character and is just a loose adaptation and not a sincere one like TLA attempted to be. The creators of the original Airbender cartoon made it clear that each tribe represents a real world culture as well.
>You act like TLA is a good example when it isn't.
It's a perfect example, you just hate white people. That's all there is to it. It's 1v1 exactly the same but you refuse to admit it because then you can't take from whites.
>The characters in the D&D movie aren't based on any particular character
Characters in the Sword Coasts are based on medieval Europeans who regardless of your anti-white autism WERE NOT FRICKING BLACK. Even in medieval fantasy THEY WERE NOT FRICKING BLACK. Elminster is supposed to be Simon's grandfather, and he's white.
>The creators of the original Airbender cartoon made it clear that each tribe represents a real world culture as well.
Later, after the fact but as you keep sperging "IT'S JUST FANTASY HUUURRRRRRR ANYTHING GOES IN FANTASY DUUURRRRRRR!" If you think that's a valid argument then you don't have a fricking thing to say about Avatar.
Aang and the Water Nation characters all had BLUE eyes, Asian people don't have blue eyes. There is no China in that world, it's not Earth. You'll accept flying buffalo but not white people? Sounds like you're a RACIST!
Who won't accept white people? The main character in DnD was white
The entire movie was spent shitting on him, insulting him and humiliating him. He knits while Holga fights. He squirms on the floor like a cuck while Holga fights. He tells her to "bring the strength" and she replies "I know YOU can't." They invite Doric and she tells him he's useless and his plans suck. He meets Kira and he apologizes for being a bad father. The whole movie is just taking a massive shit on the white guy.
Which you love and you'll make excuses for because you're a woke homosexual.
You're pathetic
>If it's based on European culture you expect European actors.
And you wouldn't have said a single thing if they were all white Americans, so please shut the frick up and take your racism somewhere else.
>if you don't like racism you are automatically black and anti-white
So this is the state of white fragility.
>With fantasy stories a person is allowed to do whatever they want.
this is such a silly claim I am starting to think you are trolling. “a person” only has this power when he is designing a totally
new fantasy setting.
>If we're going to judge films simply based on how they look
nobody does this. the point is the way a movie looks plays a significant part in how you judge a film.
No, it wasn't. You just saying it was doesn't make it so. The movie fricking BOMBED because people are sick of this shit, do you not fricking get it? Nogs are 12% of the population in the US, 2% in Europe, yet you frickwits demand their ugly faces have to be stuffed into every god damned thing. Get an identity of your own loser. And the nogs were only one part of the problem. The cast was shit and virtually everyone felt like they were phoning it in. The men were intentionally emasculated. The writing was horrendous shit.
Just because you're a sick frick with a sociopathic BBC fetish doesn't mean anyone else has to imbibe your shit. Shut the frick up, blacks are not part of medieval European fantasy. Deal with it.
>A car in a setting where no such technology exists is the same as black people simply existing
>same as black people simply existing
>in a setting where Black folk don't exist.
Yes. It's exactly the same you impossibly stupid nog. There were no Black folk in medieval Europe. Deal with your cultural inferiority in silence.
The movie is not set in medieval Europe.
You don't get it, Anon. The buildings were based on medieval European architecture. And they had darkies living in those buildings. Don't you see how that's literally white genocide?
It's not the only thing, but it's a pretty big deal. Avatar is a spectacle and fun as frick. It makes up for a lot of its shortcomings through pure aesthetic quality that whisks you away to another planet. It's one of the only types of movies that make theaters necessary in an age when we can watch all this shit at home. There's a massive reason why D&D lost a hundred million and the two Avatar movies have made over a billion dollars in combined pure profit. Don't you people get it? These settings are NOT California. CGI alone is not going to make up for the simple fact that the fashion and demographics of the places pictured is totally fricking mundane. It's instantly offputting to anyone that has a functioning frontal lobe
>The meal was bad because the food didn't taste good.
SIGH le chuds just don't understand art! It's not SUPPOSED to taste good now eat your shit!
seems like pretty good grounds for disliking a movie to me.
are there any quality rips of this the few I found werent great I want the watch both dnd movies back to back. The Jeremy Irons one is schlock kino
doesnt dnd have the calishites or kzaharkians or whatever that are basically arabian? isn't the entire al-qadim module kangz themed?
Yes, there are modules that have "foreign lands" which are non-white, absolutely. Those aren't Sword Coasts though.
Chult for example is basically a prehistoric dinosaur land with lizard people, voodoo and aztec stuff. They could 100% have had Chultan party members and I wouldn't have an issue, but instead we get nogs in knight armor doing British accents.
Duuuuudes, loook at them muuutts! OH NO NO NO PFAHAHAHAHAHA
>muh wokeness
i'm so tired of this shit. just stop talking about it all the time
>just stop talking about it all the time
No. Stop shoving your politics into movies and then people will stop complaining. You work for us homosexual, not the other way around. You do what the consumer tells you, like a good little prostitute. You don't tell the audience what to say or what to want, you ask them what they want and then you SUCK THEIR DICK.
Based
Cringe
>muh wokeness
> just stop talking about it all the time
>it will go away
no
we need to talk about it even more
it will never go away, but ppl shoul be aware
It’s D&D there were always blacks. Movie was mid thoughever
>It’s D&D there were always blacks.
Blatantly false.
wrong on both counts
is everyone in this movie a troony?
Not openly, just gender non-conforming. Every single character is gender inverted.
shit movie, dont even waste ur time.
>fantasy based on medieval setting can't have black people because black people weren't largely present in that setting historically
>fantasy based on medieval setting can have magic, flora, fauna, races that don't exist anywhere despite not existing in any reality ever
sorry, brah; you're just a racist
>he thinks magic isnt real
Why are you racist against Audis?
And so what you're saying is it's fine if the entire Avatar cast is white?
Not sorry bro, you're just an anti-white frickwit.
So if you can't self insert as a character that not only vaguely resembles yourself but also does things on screen that you like, you just can't have a good time?
Why are you like this? It's just supposed to be an adventure story, it's not supposed to affect you psychologically lmao
>First good fantasy kino in years comes out
>There's a few women and POC in it
>/tvpol/ can't stop seething
>Threads still reach the bump limit six months later
This board is a lost cause.
Different guy, I thought the movie was pretty good and good values in it too, family, self-confidence, etc. But the blacks are really shoehorned and took me out of the movie often. And yes, it makes more sense to have Hobbits than blacks in a medieval fantasy.
>troony meme image
>gaslighting
>samegay
>corpo bootlicker defending ESG slop
rope
>buzzwords
>buzzword
>buzzword
>even more buzzwords
Why was I expecting anything else?
>cope
>cope
>cope
>even more cope
i expect u will rope soon
Fixed.
Let me cut you off before you spam your other tard image.
>t-t-trannies!
This is the only comeback you have, huh? Well, I guess since I don't get mad about black people in a fantasy movie, I must somehow be a man who changed his gender. Interesting logic.
>Leftypol's shit woke movie bombs because everyone on EARTH rejects it.
>Woke fatty is still blubbering like a beaten b***h about how his shit movie got FRICKED in the ass in incredibly humiliating fashion.
>Reduced to gaslighting "I-i-it was only a few women and minorities....!!!"
Pathetic homosexual.
>Medieval Europe
The movie doesn't even take place on Earth. It takes place on Toril, a completely fictional planet with a completely fictional history that doesn't have to mirror ours.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Toril
>just too much wokeness for me to stomach
man, such a low level
I just tried to visualise it as it being an actual D&D game being played and the characters are representations of the IRL players so the black people are just black people outside the game.
This was my interpretation as well, see
It's a movie version of a dungeons and dragons game; the characters in the movie aren't really real people in a medieval setting, they are the avatars of the unseen people playing the game. If the people playing this session were black, then their characters would be black. If you play DnD you can make your character whatever you want unless your DM is a prick
>If the people playing this session were black, then their characters would be black.
Lol, so then none of them would be because D&D's playerbase is 99% white. Look at Critical Role, they couldn't find a single nog to play it.
>Lol, so then none of them would be because D&D's playerbase is 99% white.
>t. Hasn't gone to a D&D tournament in a decade
I've been to a few in the past five years and there were a considerable amount of black, latinos, and a ton of chinks. My area is mostly white too so I have no idea where these people came from. D&D hasn't been white person's game for a while.
Lets be honest blacks have no place in euro medieval fantasy at least in this form.
it feels forced and out of place. Its all about the frick the white people and race swaping.
its not art just cheap propaganda.
look at the witcher i doesnt looks like polish village more like downtime LA.
i feel like they are being used for some crazy agenda american politics.
Another question do blacks have any place in fantasy? i would say yes but no like this. They are planty of worlds and setings that blacks can feat.
its a shame that we are being played against each other so much
I'll roll a black character at my next session just to trigger you, homosexual
ok corpo boolicker, that why human will lose to megacorps. u got too much hate inside u
Nothing a brown person can possibly do could trigger me. Disgust me, sure, but not trigger.
>Nothing a brown person can possibly do could trigger me
Except be visible to you lol
seethe more homosexual kek
i see half of the post ITT are (you)
If refusing to engage with something is the same as being triggered by it, then you must be really triggered by the thought of your children.
that's exactly why they are doing it, they take media aimed at wypipo and fill it with black people, to "challenge" you, anything with white people reminds them of segregation and makes them feel "uncomfortable", there must always be a black face among them, period dramas, european folk tales, even other countries
thats why hollywodd needs to die as fast as posible, lets pray for the actors/writers strike.
they did so much damage with their propaganda its fricking unbelievable, literal global poison.
meds
>bitching about blacks in a fantasy setting
what next, b***hing about dragons and other shit since they really didn't exist?
Then why can't we have sports cars in the setting?
you could if you really wanted yeah. Didn't think that one out did you?
Sis, only incels would b***h about such things
If there is internal logic for it. Black people aren't internally logical to a medieval fantasy setting. DnD is a different setting than the Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog.
im gonna b***h about u being a homosexual
get a life incel.
How did this movie do in China? They openly hate seeing blacks and mulattoes on screen there.
The problem with black people in a sword and sorcery setting - unless you make the VAST majority of the characters black within that setting - is that we already have steadfast and observable rules regarding how a society becomes actually multicultural, which includes:
1. An advanced and accessible method of transportation (passenger boats/planes)
2. Industrialization which creates a surplus of wealth and infrastructural convenience, and facilitates the mass migration of alien populations
Typical sword and sorcery does not fit the bill here, and if you want to make your cast look like a college flyer, the burden of making it believable is on you, the creator. Ideologue creators do not put in the work to do this. It's just icing on the cake that most sword and sorcery settings resemble western European societies, which is a whole different argument.
The script was dumb and very perfunctory. No real characterization or emotion. Too jokey with low stakes as opposed to alternating pathos.
Too many characters and the paladin just comes in and out so you can't focus on any one.
Even in the cover image the paladin is on here but the other druid girl is not.
Bad movie shit script I like Chris Pine though
I enjoyed it.
Dungeons and Dragons is a firmly liberal property, at least right now, so it making its women action chicks and its guys less badass shouldn't come as a big surprise.
>Dungeons and Dragons is a firmly liberal property, at least right now, so it making its women action chicks and its guys less badass shouldn't come as a big surprise.
Then make the plot interesting and have fewer characters. Nobody cares (well almost nobody) if the movie is "liberal"; movies have been liberal for 100 years.
The difference now is that writers think they can make a movie "liberal" and it will sell. It won't as we saw with this movie that lost hundreds of millions of dollars and doom any future D&D movies from being created for years.
It's a mindless popcorn flick that didn't include you as the target demographic.
The thing is that its a fantasy setting and there has always been non whites in it. Doesn't matter its dnd, random rpgs, random books whatever, what you are confusing yourself with is a realistic europe setting and trying to force that where wizards n dragons n shit exist makes the anti black responses really fricking stupid
even if that wasnt the case it would still be unsalvageable US fantasy. kill it with fire.
>unsalvageable US fantasy
>homosexual says shit with zero thought
US fantasy, including D&D, has zero understanding of european middle ages NOR the myths of medieval europe
>european middle ages
>fantasy setting
pick one
>>2nd century AD period china
kingdoms fantasy
>pick one
idiot
>rule lawyer vs rule of cool
classic