>thor holds the hammer
>no difference
>captain america holds the hammer
>no difference
>jane foster holds the hammer
>enters "thor form" where she gets superhuman strength and a costume
is this ever explained?
>thor holds the hammer. >no difference. >captain america holds the hammer. >no difference
>internal comic book logic
cringe
>thor holds the hammer
>no difference
Thor gets the strength and costume right after he gets the hammer back in the first fricking movie, you moron.
so how come in thor ragnarok even when he doesn't have the hammer he's able to shrug of blows from the hulk? without the hammer he's just a normal human being?
Yeah
> without the hammer he's just a normal human being?
no? He's still super strong even without the hammer.
he was just a normal, albeit athletic, human in thor 1 when he lost the hammer
so the "GODS" of Asgard are just regular dudes without their fancy magic toys?
who knows? Loki is able to tank a beat down from the Hulk and survive but in his own show he struggles in hand to hand versus basic humans.
No he doesn't. He was literally fighting a variant of himself.
He also fights the TVA agents who are just normal humans.
They aren't normal humans. They are imbued with powers by the TVA which you see in the first episode.
No they aren't imbued with any powers. The only "powers" they have are just the glowsticks that vaporize people, but at several points in the show Loki is about even on strength with them or gets kicked/punched by them and is staggered by it. There's also What If? Where Loki is knocked off his feet from a kick by Black Widow. His power level is incredibly inconsistent.
Yes they are imbued with powers from the TVA. As you see in the first episode the way they capture Loki is not by vaporizing him.
Watch it again.
They capture him by using their glowsticks, they themselves do not have any physical empowerments it's explained they're literally just variant humans.
>who are just normal humans.
Normal humans who can stop time and destroy timelines at will?
it's all but said that Asgardian magic is just Clarke's Law science. Humanity could probably wipe them out if it put its mind to it
odin stripped him of both the hammer and his powers until he could prove himself worthy of them but the hammer isn't the source of his power.
alright, i'm happy with that explanation as i'm pretty sure that's what happened too.
so why does the hammer give powers that are identical to thors to other people if it isn't the source of his power? is it just a coincidence?
Probably something to do with it being children's media
children's media have more consistency.
Considering the hammer is able to magically choose who can wield it, presumably it can choose to bestow powers.
because that's what the spell odin put on it does you fricking blind moron
Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.
yes, which means that Thor has power without the hammer since otherwise holding the hammer would grant you the power of some random buff dude
If Thor is worthy, he gets the power of Thor?
Yes. He remains himself. His lack of power is merely माया
so it works like shazam?
I suppose. Marvelman or whatever he's called has his powers because he's the guy he is. Billy Batson is just the kid who becomes that guy. So when Odin strips Thor of his power and titles and shit like that, he stops being Thor for a while though in the first movie he does retain Thor's memories which I guess works but maybe just having him go completely amnesiac just isn't as fun since it you'll just have a ton of screentime where a guy goes around doing regular man shit rather than slamming coffee mugs into the ground and demanding more.
Didn't they change Captain Marvel. He used to become the guy but now billy just has superpowers.
>so how come in thor ragnarok even when he doesn't have the hammer he's able to shrug of blows from the hulk?
Because he is the gods of hammers.
It's not about holding the hammer, it's about being worth.
But I agree that by these movies' rules Cap should have been buffed.
he was buffed
The first Thor movie has Odin take his power from him. He then earns the right to have it back by fulfilling the spell Odin casts on Mjolnir but the spell also grants other people Thor's powers.
tl;dr - Its magic.
>If he be worthy
>He
How can Jane Foster a female be affected?
she's a female man obviously, a transman if you will. she just doesn't know it yet but clearly the magical properties of the Allfather recognizes her masculine nature.
That's why she died at the end, Mjolnir wanted her to join the 40%
Based hammer.
men and women are the same chud
that's a fun joke anon, got any more material?
No? Asgardians are above humans in physical capabilities. The fight giants for frick's sake.
I get what you mean, but Endgame was a massive fricking shitshow so Cap not getting any powers from it was just one of the many mistakes they made
He didn't want them.
Are you utterly moronic? THE LIGHTNING COMES FROM THOR. HE IS THE GOD OF THUNDER
THE HAMMER HELPS HIM CHANNEL HIS POWER, HE JUST LIKES USING IT.
THE SPELL ON THE HAMMER IS "WHOSOEVER HOLDS THIS HAMMER, IF HE BE WORTHY, SHALL POSSESS THE POWER OF THOR"
THE POWER OF THOR IS THE WEATHER MANIPULATION. THE LIGHTNING. IF YOU CAN PICK UP THE HAMMER, YOU ARE BESTOWED WITH THOSE POWERS
THE POWERS THEMSELVES ORIGINATE FROM THOR BECAUE HE IS THE GOD OF THUNDER
HOW FRICKING STUPID CAN YOU BE YOU ZOOMER moron
bro you seem mad
about a marvel movie
seething fat balding 30 something manchild is raging this hard kek
LOL don't you remember in Infinity War when Thor created the ax by holding open a giant space furnace and then survived getting blasted by a supernova star?
>is this ever explained?
yes, she's a woman
stop asking questions and consume product
Cap got fricking lightning powers when he held the hammer.
probably because the hammer gives you lightning powers moron
Ragnarok has him learn the power comes from him, not the hammer.
cap because it still gave captain america lightning and thunder powers
ragnarok obvs lied
>hammer reforms because it senses jane's worthiness
why didn't the hammer reform for thor immediately after it broke in ragnarok? thor was still worthy
there was a cooldown
frick off disney rat
>ragnarok is about thor learning that he doesn't need the hammer
>AAAAHHH THANOS IS BIG AND MEAN I NEED HAMMER
>AAAAHHH MJOLNIR YOU'RE BACK COME TO DADDY
It's the Thor cum in her pussy, the hammer gets confused.
goes both ways. Thor used to use the hammer to disguise himself as some crippled doctor.
>disguise
Blake isn't really a disguise, though the character had his origin changed like ten times so idk
i'd probably like him better if he was a doctor and not some himbo eye candy for melissa mccarthy
>is this ever explained?
it's just whatever man. it's like bright lights on a tarp in a big room and they put a bunch of loud sounds in it doesn't matter
If I recall female thor almost destroyed the thor franchise in the comics because how depressing and sad the femnazi scripture became.
It's funny how they rushed into all these new, less loved storylines for material. you had thor for like 50 years, but female thor was recent. civil war was also relatively recent. let alone killing off characters. i don't know why they're in such a rush to brush aside so much in the MCU.
They saw how successful the MCU was and figured they could use it to boost their recent comics that nobody gives a shit about, ignoring the obvious fact that it is going to kill the MCU like it killed the books. It's staggeringly stupid and they need to just hit a reset button and start making standalone films.
I mean if they did OG Thor, he'd just be a random dude who happened to find Mjolnir one day and became Thor in his spare time.
Blake turned out to be a front.
No, he didn't know he wasn't a regular human.
To be fair, you are dealing with actors here, so they want to avoid recasting and instead pull out new characters.
Lol, I started the Jason Aaron run.
The first volume with Gorr is really fricking great, vol 2 is less interesting, but still ok and then it turns into female Thor frickery.
I don't understand since it's the same fricking guy behind it.
>I don't understand since it's the same fricking guy behind it.
A guy who was constantly working with directions from his bosses. Even Alan Moore wasn't just making up everthing as he went along during Swamp Thing or Watchmen, there's constantly demands from people to
>Just use these characters!
>Write in a love story but have her die at the end!
>Make sure the main character always uses the correct pronounces even if he's insulting someone or deliberately being offensive to make a point to his enemy!
>No you can't have him to that planet to do that, we're using that story for a Red Skull story with Captain America in 2 years. Talk to Steve if you have any good idea though.
just stick to the first volume, it peaked an never gets better.
gee thor! how come your mom lets you have two mjolnirs?
It's because Jane has no personality without the hammer, so she essentially becomes a lame replica of Thor. Cap was already a legendary hero in his own right.
All XX chromosome. She gets XX times the power. Thought that was pretty obvious.
>>jane foster holds the hammer
"thor form" where she gets superhuman strength and a costume
It's nothing but a lame and obvious attempt to tear down the masculine hero and replace it with a dumb feminist knock-off that has no essential truth or meaning to it.
You should see her first comic battle
>You should see her first comic battle
I'd rather intentionally shit my pants on live television.
>It's nothing but a lame and obvious attempt to tear down the masculine hero and replace it with a dumb feminist knock-off that has no essential truth or meaning to it.
The same people who want to empower women also push trannies in female sports and let male mma fighters clobber women. Nothing they do makes sense....even under their own supposed value system.
Who reforged Mjolnir now that Odin is more like odone?
>and a costume
So she does a magical girl transformation routine? Kino.
Because it's Disney and she's a strong woman you stupid bigots kys!1
all you capeshit fans should be gassed
Yes it is explained
>steals hammer
>gets a hoodie cape and air force sneakers
>immediately puts graffiti on hammer
is this ever explained?
How is this not considered offensive
it was. twitter was losing their collective minds over it.
goes to show how irrelevant comics are
Its reality though or close to what a black would do irl. Worst actually homelander 2.0.
it worked when spider-man miles did it because he grew up in an urban environment but that city was supposed to be a reimagined asgard and instead of making everything look vaguely african they made everything look like a parody of the hood. it's hilarious. the hispanic artist who drew it all didn't seem to realize he was doing a tone-deaf.
america holds the hammer
>>no difference
Dummy.
CHRIS HEMSWORTH'S NAKED ASS
I'M SO EXCITED I CAN'T WAIT
>tfw no doubles
here we go again
>jane foster holds the hammer
>it's a movie, I ain't got to explain shit!
I don't like the hologram helmet bullshit they're doing now
>Bro just wish your daughter back to life and leave her with this random guy.
The ultimate cuck?
I don't think I paid enough attention to this. Why did he want to bring his daughter back if he was just about to die
also, why did eternity give the daughter space laser powers that's just irresponsible
>Why did he want to bring his daughter back if he was just about to die
tell me you're sociopathic without telling me
>Why did he want to bring his daughter back if he was just about to die
Because love.
I mean nothing makes a whole lot of sense when you also have a universe that has afterlives and spirits so why would he think he and his daughter couldn't be alive together somehow despite what "his" god thinks? None of it really makes any sense. The MCU has The Devil and all ancient religions are confirmed real but not Jesus and God-god. Because religion can only exist in some ironic way.
>is this ever explained?
thor asks his hammer to protect jane
the hammer even lights up when he does
so that's why the hammer is helping jane
Woman needs more power they are weak