one of my favourite movies of all time
crazy billy wilder made so many perfect movies that are all so different from each other
the apartment 10 years after this one
frick
those are his three biggies that nearly everyone agrees on being a 10/10
lots of people would include double indemnity and ace in the hole as 10s but for me they're not quite as magic
The only Billy Wilder movies I've seen are The Lost Weekend and Stalag 17. So he's got a few that are very big on my still havent seen list. This probably being the biggest.
Here is a bit of wholesome trivia: the day that scene was filmed there was a big dinner which included the cast and some of their family including William Holden's wife. After said dinner everyone was invited to the set to see the filming. Wilder told the two actors to hold the kiss at the end of the scene for a very, very long time because he intended to do a fade out to the next scene in editing, which they did. While they ware holding the kiss a loud "CUT, GODDAMN IT, CUT!!" was shouted by Holden's wife.
While I'd say they're in similar situations, Max seems to genuinely love Norma, while Joe seems to stick around out of some kind of polite acquiescence to her crush on him, if anything Joe could see Max as a grim vision of his potential future and an enabler for Gloria's delusions. I think it's in character for Joe to not really care that much, and basically leave Max to be her butler for life since that's what he chose for himself
>if anything Joe could see Max as a grim vision of his potential future
this is exactly what is so kino about the reveal and the whole dynamic between the three characters.
the movie is not just about an ex-star who has hit the wall, it's much more existentialist than that. It's about life, death and the meaning of it all. Nobody would argue that Joe's death isn't meaningless and grim, but what meaning did his life have? And did he not, in dying, give a singular purpose to Norma's life and Max' life as well, both of which had been seeming rather lacklustre in meaning as of lately? For Norma: to give one final performance as the Femme Fatale. For Max: to be the only director that could command the performance that Norma needs to give.
What even is meaning and how and why do we choose our own role? What part does random chance play and how much is predestined?
The movie is fricking great.
Masterpiece. This and Ace In The Hole are Wilder's two best as far as I'm concerned.
Actually saw this movie on the big screen for a morning matinee one time (big mistake, was just a blu-ray projected) and the boomers in the theater kept sarcastically laughing every time the score swelled up or Gloria Swanson acted deranged. I was so fricking pissed I almost left the theater
>boomers in the theater kept sarcastically laughing
this puzzles me
the movie is described as a comedy on wikipedia as well
i enterpreted it as a normal noir thriller, albeit with a sarcastic narrator (the dead Joe)
is there something about this movie that makes boomers shit and piss and cum on themselves with laughter?
some frame of reference that we are missing? some cultural thing that we just can't get? I'm millennial btw if that matters
Whenever a not-current-year movie is screened, "film buffs" need to laugh at movies in order to let everyone know how much they enjoy and appreciate cinema, since clapping is too pleb
in the 1950s films from the 1920s were considered obsolete ancient history and 1920s film stars were forgotten, but in the 2020s, films from the 1990s are still widely watched and enjoyed and 1990s film stars are still famous and successful.
yes, there was a weird memoryhole that happened just after sound got introduced to pictures. a whole BUNCH of stars that were seemingly on the rise just couldn't 'make the transition to talkies' for some reason. lots of them sank into alcoholism and despair and died prematurely as well.
it's almost to the extent that you start to suspect foul play. like the studio heads using the transition to talkies as an opportunity to get rid of stars who were for some reason or other uncomfortable.
I saw double indemnity in a theater and some fat b***h next to me kept laughing at every line without exception. It's a funny movie but this big gal was definitely making a show of how much she enjoyed it.
I went to a hipster theatre that was showing Hitchwiener's Psycho and people were laughing at random, non-comedic lines (there are very few). It's annoyed me so much.
This is one of my dad's favorite movies. I watched it at least once a year with him. He watched it like it was a dark comedy and I think I did too. From time to time he asked me to put some scenes on youtube to watch together, he loved the scene with the butler playing the organ.
One day my mother was fighting with him to buy bigger pants because he was putting on weight. He looked at us smiling and said
>boomers in the theater kept sarcastically laughing
this puzzles me
the movie is described as a comedy on wikipedia as well
i enterpreted it as a normal noir thriller, albeit with a sarcastic narrator (the dead Joe)
is there something about this movie that makes boomers shit and piss and cum on themselves with laughter?
some frame of reference that we are missing? some cultural thing that we just can't get? I'm millennial btw if that matters
again
what do boomers know about this movie that they arent telling us?
I wish my dad liked doing things with me. All he does is work. And half of his time there is probably spent on the internet. I saw his screen one time and he had about 60 tabs open in one chrome window.
Excellent film but I would've liked it more if the old b***h had been objectively hot rather than occasionally hot. Yeah yeah I know there's a reason for everything and it's all deliberate nand blah blah blah I don't care I wanted a hotter mommy milf
You're biologically incapable of appreciating and enjoying films to even 1% of the event that I can, because you're one of those tryhard homosexuals that put "film buff" in their social media bios to pretend like they have a personality.
I feel like you can strike a balance. I didn't mean to say that I wanted someone like Liz hurley. Just someone that was milfy in a way that clicked for me, but honestly, thinking back to the film, I think the weirdest thing about her, which totally works for the role but it's still off putting, is that expression she makes when she goes "JEEEEFF" and tilts her head back with her eyes open wide as hell. Kinda like picrel
it's an old stage expression that they would use in theatre when facial acting had to be extremely exaggerated and not subtle at all in order to convey the right feeling to the whole audience
if you notice, in older films, a certain type of female character will use this expression. In Snow White, I believe the evil queen used the expression (when she isn't transformed into a witch) and I think the evil witch Maleficent in Cinderella does too.
Maleficent is sleeping beauty. But yeah I watched all of Pickford's stuff back in school because we screened a ton of old hollywood films, and saw plenty of that kind of characterization. The evolution of techniques and the constant overlapping of styles from one medium into the next as experts from one medium tried to transition into another was always interesting. A lot of the emotional collateral from that process and the people that couldn't survive it is present in sunset boulevard I feel.
>A lot of the emotional collateral from that process and the people that couldn't survive it is present in sunset boulevard I feel.
Beyond just the obvious stuff with Norma, I mean
>Maleficent is sleeping beauty
roger that, i confused it because in my country they have different names. Sleeping Beauty is Törnrosa (Thorn rosa) and i misremembered it as cinderella (which is called The Ash Kid here, lmao)
in the 1950s films from the 1920s were considered obsolete ancient history and 1920s film stars were forgotten, but in the 2020s, films from the 1990s are still widely watched and enjoyed and 1990s film stars are still famous and successful.
Kino, and I enjoyed it as a movie that used the theme of the end of a Hollywood era without using blind nostalgia as a way to milk audience sympathy
I've tried to find other movies in the niche "middle-aged hag goes insane and ruins her life" genre but nothing else came close
one of my favourite movies of all time
crazy billy wilder made so many perfect movies that are all so different from each other
the apartment 10 years after this one
frick
I've seen these two which should be my next.
yeah, she keeps on coping.
>I've seen these two which should be my next.
Some Like It Hot
again, very very different from those two but still a 10/10
ok. how many more 10/10 has he got?
those are his three biggies that nearly everyone agrees on being a 10/10
lots of people would include double indemnity and ace in the hole as 10s but for me they're not quite as magic
nta but "one, two, three" is definitely a 10/10
>I am big. It's the pictures that got small.
It's not coping if it's the truth.
she is in delusion might be more proper.
About the comeback, yes. About DeMille's interest in working with her, yes. About the pictures getting small, no.
Ace in the Hole
The only Billy Wilder movies I've seen are The Lost Weekend and Stalag 17. So he's got a few that are very big on my still havent seen list. This probably being the biggest.
The wall: the movie
you've never seen it
Kino of old old Hollywood
Gotta love a proper noir.
One of my favourites. The final scene is very dreamlike. Great performance from Gloria Swanson. She steals the show pretty much
>ywn never have a spunky young go-getter fall madly in love with you during your late night writing sessions in a Hollywood backlot
why live
All the while mooching off some old Hollywood has-been and swimming in her pool
Here is a bit of wholesome trivia: the day that scene was filmed there was a big dinner which included the cast and some of their family including William Holden's wife. After said dinner everyone was invited to the set to see the filming. Wilder told the two actors to hold the kiss at the end of the scene for a very, very long time because he intended to do a fade out to the next scene in editing, which they did. While they ware holding the kiss a loud "CUT, GODDAMN IT, CUT!!" was shouted by Holden's wife.
you just know that Holden got a blowjob that night when he got home
Is Ebert right?
>The only thing the film lacks is more sympathy between Joe and Max, who have so much in common.
i dunno about that, its one of the most kino reveals of all time when we find out just who Max really is and his history with Norma
While I'd say they're in similar situations, Max seems to genuinely love Norma, while Joe seems to stick around out of some kind of polite acquiescence to her crush on him, if anything Joe could see Max as a grim vision of his potential future and an enabler for Gloria's delusions. I think it's in character for Joe to not really care that much, and basically leave Max to be her butler for life since that's what he chose for himself
>if anything Joe could see Max as a grim vision of his potential future
this is exactly what is so kino about the reveal and the whole dynamic between the three characters.
the movie is not just about an ex-star who has hit the wall, it's much more existentialist than that. It's about life, death and the meaning of it all. Nobody would argue that Joe's death isn't meaningless and grim, but what meaning did his life have? And did he not, in dying, give a singular purpose to Norma's life and Max' life as well, both of which had been seeming rather lacklustre in meaning as of lately? For Norma: to give one final performance as the Femme Fatale. For Max: to be the only director that could command the performance that Norma needs to give.
What even is meaning and how and why do we choose our own role? What part does random chance play and how much is predestined?
The movie is fricking great.
Absolutely love that movie
Masterpiece. This and Ace In The Hole are Wilder's two best as far as I'm concerned.
Actually saw this movie on the big screen for a morning matinee one time (big mistake, was just a blu-ray projected) and the boomers in the theater kept sarcastically laughing every time the score swelled up or Gloria Swanson acted deranged. I was so fricking pissed I almost left the theater
>boomers in the theater kept sarcastically laughing
this puzzles me
the movie is described as a comedy on wikipedia as well
i enterpreted it as a normal noir thriller, albeit with a sarcastic narrator (the dead Joe)
is there something about this movie that makes boomers shit and piss and cum on themselves with laughter?
some frame of reference that we are missing? some cultural thing that we just can't get? I'm millennial btw if that matters
Whenever a not-current-year movie is screened, "film buffs" need to laugh at movies in order to let everyone know how much they enjoy and appreciate cinema, since clapping is too pleb
t. attend many classic movie screenings
big if true
It's a meta film, there are references all over the place
tell me some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! !
yes, there was a weird memoryhole that happened just after sound got introduced to pictures. a whole BUNCH of stars that were seemingly on the rise just couldn't 'make the transition to talkies' for some reason. lots of them sank into alcoholism and despair and died prematurely as well.
it's almost to the extent that you start to suspect foul play. like the studio heads using the transition to talkies as an opportunity to get rid of stars who were for some reason or other uncomfortable.
Here's some 50s kino about a 20s murder with a lot of cameos from the silent days.
Norma Desmond is an old delusional b***h, and people like to laugh at these types.
See: Madonna
I saw double indemnity in a theater and some fat b***h next to me kept laughing at every line without exception. It's a funny movie but this big gal was definitely making a show of how much she enjoyed it.
>this big gal was definitely making a show of it.
Frick living in current era, where even enjoying kino is somehow twisted into a performative action.
I went to a hipster theatre that was showing Hitchwiener's Psycho and people were laughing at random, non-comedic lines (there are very few). It's annoyed me so much.
One, Two, Three
no it isn't lmao
cope
This is one of my dad's favorite movies. I watched it at least once a year with him. He watched it like it was a dark comedy and I think I did too. From time to time he asked me to put some scenes on youtube to watch together, he loved the scene with the butler playing the organ.
One day my mother was fighting with him to buy bigger pants because he was putting on weight. He looked at us smiling and said
>"I'm big. It's the pants that got smaller"
>He watched it like it was a dark comedy
this
again
what do boomers know about this movie that they arent telling us?
wholesome post
I wish my dad liked doing things with me. All he does is work. And half of his time there is probably spent on the internet. I saw his screen one time and he had about 60 tabs open in one chrome window.
10/10 boomer bantz
gay trash
Excellent film but I would've liked it more if the old b***h had been objectively hot rather than occasionally hot. Yeah yeah I know there's a reason for everything and it's all deliberate nand blah blah blah I don't care I wanted a hotter mommy milf
I don't think you really enjoy movies. Maybe porn is more suited for you, you absolute moron
You're biologically incapable of appreciating and enjoying films to even 1% of the event that I can, because you're one of those tryhard homosexuals that put "film buff" in their social media bios to pretend like they have a personality.
You're never gonna be white no matter how much time you spend on /misc/ and rw twitter, pedro
The point is that she hit the wall. If she looked like Elizabeth Hurley, the movie wouldn’t make sense.
I feel like you can strike a balance. I didn't mean to say that I wanted someone like Liz hurley. Just someone that was milfy in a way that clicked for me, but honestly, thinking back to the film, I think the weirdest thing about her, which totally works for the role but it's still off putting, is that expression she makes when she goes "JEEEEFF" and tilts her head back with her eyes open wide as hell. Kinda like picrel
>"JEEEEFF"
Joe*
it's an old stage expression that they would use in theatre when facial acting had to be extremely exaggerated and not subtle at all in order to convey the right feeling to the whole audience
if you notice, in older films, a certain type of female character will use this expression. In Snow White, I believe the evil queen used the expression (when she isn't transformed into a witch) and I think the evil witch Maleficent in Cinderella does too.
Maleficent is sleeping beauty. But yeah I watched all of Pickford's stuff back in school because we screened a ton of old hollywood films, and saw plenty of that kind of characterization. The evolution of techniques and the constant overlapping of styles from one medium into the next as experts from one medium tried to transition into another was always interesting. A lot of the emotional collateral from that process and the people that couldn't survive it is present in sunset boulevard I feel.
>A lot of the emotional collateral from that process and the people that couldn't survive it is present in sunset boulevard I feel.
Beyond just the obvious stuff with Norma, I mean
>Maleficent is sleeping beauty
roger that, i confused it because in my country they have different names. Sleeping Beauty is Törnrosa (Thorn rosa) and i misremembered it as cinderella (which is called The Ash Kid here, lmao)
in the 1950s films from the 1920s were considered obsolete ancient history and 1920s film stars were forgotten, but in the 2020s, films from the 1990s are still widely watched and enjoyed and 1990s film stars are still famous and successful.
That's because nobody wants to watch silent movies. It only took them a few months to collapse after talkies arrived.
Kino, and I enjoyed it as a movie that used the theme of the end of a Hollywood era without using blind nostalgia as a way to milk audience sympathy
I've tried to find other movies in the niche "middle-aged hag goes insane and ruins her life" genre but nothing else came close
Great film, but personally, I prefer Witness of the Prosecution.
I've never seen a Billy Wilder film. I'm kinda embarassed by that since some people consider me a kinosseur. Maybe I'll watch this tonight.
You'll dig it.
Nobody has mentioned Kiss Me, Stupid which I like a lot. Dean Martin uses his own car in the film.