1. Tim & Dick (tie)
2. Damien (in his own way)
3. Steph
4. Duke
5. Jason (as Robin, Red Hood is different)
Carrie Kelly is an Elseworlds to me. Elseworlds Robins are a whole other can of worms. I hadn't read much of Duke, but I really really dug
Funny enough, the first Batman comic I got as a kid was Batman 403 with Jason. I had no idea who he was and wondered where Dick Grayson was. It wasn't until Batman TAS years later that I got into the actual comics again. I now like Jason, but most of the time I followed Batman comics he was dead. Then they brought him back through a retcon punch which was thankfully retconned to Ra's being involved.
What you didn't like Soldier Boy Wonder? You didn't like Tim whining about how he will never be Batman in Teen Titans? I kid but I actually liked the relationship with him and Superboy and him and Cassandra. He was way out of his league and he knew it but he still tried his best. I only wish we saw a few more stories with him and Dick. When Infinite Crisis happened it was his swan song. The only notable moments are Bruce constantly complimenting Tim and saying Tim has potential to be even better than him before offering to adopt him
Not him, but while I'm fine with Kon and Tim being friends, making them this great broship where Kon is his most important relationship got old quick. I preferred them having a sort of uneasy friendship where Kon was way more immature than Tim and Tim got testy with Kon's antics. I get that Kon sort of matured, but it also felt like Tim got more immature hanging out with him when they were together. Tim can have fun but I liked how image conscious he was about it during YJ.
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Kon only got more serious when he found out who his second father was. He fell into a personal crisis and when Superboy Prime reared his head in Kon was already coping with who he is.
I actually like the Jon Lewis and Devon Grayson Robin and Nightwing runs, but the books were shitty by War Games and remained so with a few peaks until the end of their first runs.
What was he supposed to do? He fricking killed a guy in his first appearance and Batman let him get away with it. He could spend the rest of his life trying to earn his father's respect back or be rivals with the rest of the Robins. But no. Just be butt buddies with Jon Kent
He absolutely does. Cause right now he's barely a character. The teen titans can't fill the void cause frankly he's shit with them. He needs some nonhero friends to ground him. It's times like this gotham academy didn't get shelved.
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The major problem with Damian going back to his intro is that characters don't respond to him according to any sort of logic. He's an egotistical, butthole brat, and nearly everyone he meets should want nothing to do with him. Even now with him significantly mellowed, he's still an egotistical ass and if you're going to use him you should make him the butthole character.
He could use a Wayne Family Adventures spinoff of him being his usual self while stuck in a normal school. Like Full Metal Panic! except a preening showboat instead of a war autist.
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Like I said. Gotham academy was literally perfect for him, and it's a crying shame they never capitalized on it.
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I don't think Damian would be a good fit for Gotham Academy simply because of how connected it is. I'm talking Damian fully out of his element. Alternately, for a more serious route, have him at an exclusive prep school full of nothing but a bunch of overachieving, affluenza-riddled teens whose entire lives have been a rat race forced on them by emotionally distant, one percenter tiger parents. Damian's major character facet is his ego, so he's in a situation where he's not special and no gives a shit about who he is.
As shitty of an idea that I think Damian is, making him a villain is the opposite of a solution.
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This is very true. Jason is already Edgy-Batman-That-Kills-Using-Guns.
Not a killer vigilante, more murder is an acceptable form of political discourse. Basically imagine if the CIA was an independent organization guided by a savior complex.
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Damian has friends, it's just that every writer just forgets about them.
Make him a villain. Like he takes a good look at his granddad and mom, and goes "you people are moronic." So he grabs himself a bunch of killers and has a new LoA that actually uses assassinations to carry out political goals, instead of trying kill 90% of humanity or throwing mindwiped werebat ninjas at his ex to see if the spark is still there. Make him a Jon villain, a dark counterpart to the notion of a better tomorrow.
Damian was always meant to be a villain
His character was created for that
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He's two face then. The one guy Batman couldn't save. No wait maybe that's jason todd?
no i disagree I vastly prefer Damian trying to earn his father's approval by being the best of the best
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Two-Face is the one who broke. Jason is the guy who pointed out the elephant in the room regarding Bruce's methods.
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That's what Jason does on the daily. >father we could be much more efficient if we killed Clayface >father Catman has killed several people all for his lions. Tell me why i shouldn't put my sword through his stomach
and so on.
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his character was created to die in the very arc he was introduced. Editors reigning that idea in because you don't just kill "batman's son" and "think of the potential" are what kept him around. He'd be fine if they stopped making him go through some variation of the same arc which they got right the first time
>whole first issues of One Year Later is Batman reeling after Jason's return while praising Tim for being the best Robin ever >Tim please be my son. Ha Jk. Unless...? >Then Talia drops the bomb. >now Tim is Jealous and Batman instantly is inviting Damian into the cave >Gets his shit pushed in by both Red Hood and Damian >not a good story since
Damian started off by attempting to kill Tim, then murdered a guy. It's only reasonable that Tim would be salty that Batman's response would be to make Damian Robin. But in general I think Morrison is on the low end of Damian writers.
What was he supposed to do? He fricking killed a guy in his first appearance and Batman let him get away with it. He could spend the rest of his life trying to earn his father's respect back or be rivals with the rest of the Robins. But no. Just be butt buddies with Jon Kent
If Damian hadn't been created by Morrison I seriously doubt he would have had any traction.
red robin was fine sans the name. It just relies on shit actually advancing and not an endless torrent of reboots with stagnant characters. This is an issue with legacy characters and the like as a whole
Dick is really only better as Nightwing BECAUSE he was Robin. His angst toward Batman. His relationship with Barb. His friends in the Titans. Even his interactions with the newer Robins ESPECIALLY Damian.
In terms of character development Dick is top tier. Followed by Steph, Jason, a thousand arrows, Tim=Damian, Carrie "why the hell are you even here?" Kelly
Actually fourth. I don't even remember the things he does in his Robin time.
Even Jason for being hated as he is, people still recognize his "the cult", pushing rapist to death, and death in the family events.
Does Tim did anything noteworthy in his Robin time?
Tim happened to be the Robin in some good stories. Those were good stories regardless of him, or in spite of him.
There's a reason why Dini and Timm chose to use Jason Todd for the BTAS Robin. Tim has the absolute weakest concept of all the Robins, Stephanie included.
Steph and Batman had such a fun dynamic in just the little scraps they got, it's criminal they've not been used as the Dynamic Duo more.
I'd say he had one of the better character arcs before new 52 happen. He went from this optimistic, naive, slightly incompetent kid who got taken for a ride by everybody to a cynic who still tries to find a better way. Hard to name one particular story, but his whole era of books/crossovers/teamups were just enjoyable for the most part except when extreme hacks took over. It wasn't an accident that he held down popular solos and teamups for 20 years
Basically, Tim is sort of the guy who gets hired for a job and everything goes to shit a month in. This being the era before a united Batfam, Tim is the only really active, sane vigilante in town when Bruce is gone and Jean Paul goes rogue. so he was initially tasked with looking after JPV and helping him, but he gets locked out. And eventually he has to help Dick sort of reign in whats going on, and when Bruce comes back they establish the beginning of the modern batfamily with them all working together.
Meanwhile, Dixon and David's Tim was a favorite character in 'Tec, Robin, and Young Justice. I don't consider the "new GAY Tim Drake GAY Robin (Oh did we mention he's gay?)" to be the same. Reeks of tokenism. They didn't even make the right Superboy gay with him so Tim x Kon fans would be happy.
This guy spied on Lois, Supergirl, Wondergirl, and Batgirl naked at least twice. No one will believe he's gay anymore than they believe Tim is >no h-he's bi
Like there's a difference? All anyone sees is him dating another guy. If he was bi it would be a quick date followed by a swift breakup. Not this "this other man is the love of my life" shit
Lost the point of my post. The only people who will happily accept Kon is a gay with no question are Cassandra Caingays. They wanna forget who took her yellow hymen. Who pounded that yellow pussy like it was greasy tofu
He's actually the fifth best Robin
Tim>Dick>Stephanie>>>>>>> Carrie Kelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
do not tag me
your arrows are backwards
1. Tim & Dick (tie)
2. Damien (in his own way)
3. Steph
4. Duke
5. Jason (as Robin, Red Hood is different)
Carrie Kelly is an Elseworlds to me. Elseworlds Robins are a whole other can of worms. I hadn't read much of Duke, but I really really dug
Funny enough, the first Batman comic I got as a kid was Batman 403 with Jason. I had no idea who he was and wondered where Dick Grayson was. It wasn't until Batman TAS years later that I got into the actual comics again. I now like Jason, but most of the time I followed Batman comics he was dead. Then they brought him back through a retcon punch which was thankfully retconned to Ra's being involved.
4th worst more like
I Like Steph more as a character but she was robin for a blink of the eye. So it feels weird to rank her.
Not even 4th best.
>megham fitzmartin
Did this b***h not do enough damage already?
It’s one long continuous string of bullshit with her
TIM IS THE GREATEST ROBIN
I used to like Tim, but time hasn't been kind to him.
It's been 20 long years since Tim had a book worth reading.
he hasn't been good since Damian showed up. Thanks Morrison
Morrison put the nail in the coffin that Meltzer built.
>implying anything from the Didio era was worth reading
The solo books went to shit when Dixon left the first time.
What you didn't like Soldier Boy Wonder? You didn't like Tim whining about how he will never be Batman in Teen Titans? I kid but I actually liked the relationship with him and Superboy and him and Cassandra. He was way out of his league and he knew it but he still tried his best. I only wish we saw a few more stories with him and Dick. When Infinite Crisis happened it was his swan song. The only notable moments are Bruce constantly complimenting Tim and saying Tim has potential to be even better than him before offering to adopt him
Not him, but while I'm fine with Kon and Tim being friends, making them this great broship where Kon is his most important relationship got old quick. I preferred them having a sort of uneasy friendship where Kon was way more immature than Tim and Tim got testy with Kon's antics. I get that Kon sort of matured, but it also felt like Tim got more immature hanging out with him when they were together. Tim can have fun but I liked how image conscious he was about it during YJ.
Kon only got more serious when he found out who his second father was. He fell into a personal crisis and when Superboy Prime reared his head in Kon was already coping with who he is.
I actually like the Jon Lewis and Devon Grayson Robin and Nightwing runs, but the books were shitty by War Games and remained so with a few peaks until the end of their first runs.
Wow that's a lotta women writers for this book about a teenaged boy superhero
completely lost his identity when Damian hit the scene
Red robin was the best thing to happen to him after Dixon, though.
Ironically now Damian is floundering in the identity department.
What was he supposed to do? He fricking killed a guy in his first appearance and Batman let him get away with it. He could spend the rest of his life trying to earn his father's respect back or be rivals with the rest of the Robins. But no. Just be butt buddies with Jon Kent
Damien honestly needs an identity separate from Robin. Separate from the batfamily altogether actually.
> Batman’s son needs to be separate from the Batman’s son role
He absolutely does. Cause right now he's barely a character. The teen titans can't fill the void cause frankly he's shit with them. He needs some nonhero friends to ground him. It's times like this gotham academy didn't get shelved.
The major problem with Damian going back to his intro is that characters don't respond to him according to any sort of logic. He's an egotistical, butthole brat, and nearly everyone he meets should want nothing to do with him. Even now with him significantly mellowed, he's still an egotistical ass and if you're going to use him you should make him the butthole character.
He could use a Wayne Family Adventures spinoff of him being his usual self while stuck in a normal school. Like Full Metal Panic! except a preening showboat instead of a war autist.
Like I said. Gotham academy was literally perfect for him, and it's a crying shame they never capitalized on it.
I don't think Damian would be a good fit for Gotham Academy simply because of how connected it is. I'm talking Damian fully out of his element. Alternately, for a more serious route, have him at an exclusive prep school full of nothing but a bunch of overachieving, affluenza-riddled teens whose entire lives have been a rat race forced on them by emotionally distant, one percenter tiger parents. Damian's major character facet is his ego, so he's in a situation where he's not special and no gives a shit about who he is.
Not a killer vigilante, more murder is an acceptable form of political discourse. Basically imagine if the CIA was an independent organization guided by a savior complex.
Damian has friends, it's just that every writer just forgets about them.
Make him a villain. Like he takes a good look at his granddad and mom, and goes "you people are moronic." So he grabs himself a bunch of killers and has a new LoA that actually uses assassinations to carry out political goals, instead of trying kill 90% of humanity or throwing mindwiped werebat ninjas at his ex to see if the spark is still there. Make him a Jon villain, a dark counterpart to the notion of a better tomorrow.
That would just make him a diet Jason
As shitty of an idea that I think Damian is, making him a villain is the opposite of a solution.
This is very true. Jason is already Edgy-Batman-That-Kills-Using-Guns.
Frick off DiDio.
Damian was always meant to be a villain
His character was created for that
He's two face then. The one guy Batman couldn't save. No wait maybe that's jason todd?
no i disagree I vastly prefer Damian trying to earn his father's approval by being the best of the best
Two-Face is the one who broke. Jason is the guy who pointed out the elephant in the room regarding Bruce's methods.
That's what Jason does on the daily.
>father we could be much more efficient if we killed Clayface
>father Catman has killed several people all for his lions. Tell me why i shouldn't put my sword through his stomach
and so on.
his character was created to die in the very arc he was introduced. Editors reigning that idea in because you don't just kill "batman's son" and "think of the potential" are what kept him around. He'd be fine if they stopped making him go through some variation of the same arc which they got right the first time
If anyone needs a new identity, it's fricking Tim, he shouldn't still be Robin.
How about Black Bat? Maybe it'd look better on Tim than on Cass.
>whole first issues of One Year Later is Batman reeling after Jason's return while praising Tim for being the best Robin ever
>Tim please be my son. Ha Jk. Unless...?
>Then Talia drops the bomb.
>now Tim is Jealous and Batman instantly is inviting Damian into the cave
>Gets his shit pushed in by both Red Hood and Damian
>not a good story since
Damian started off by attempting to kill Tim, then murdered a guy. It's only reasonable that Tim would be salty that Batman's response would be to make Damian Robin. But in general I think Morrison is on the low end of Damian writers.
If Damian hadn't been created by Morrison I seriously doubt he would have had any traction.
Batman having a biological son with a villain was never a big deal. But they made this one canon. Seriously Batman/Superman gendration
red robin was fine sans the name. It just relies on shit actually advancing and not an endless torrent of reboots with stagnant characters. This is an issue with legacy characters and the like as a whole
Not even that, when Jason came back from the dead, that's where the pieces started falling. Fricking hell, both Jason and Damian are to blame.
Tim > Jason > Carrie Kelley > Steph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. trash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damian
Dick is really only better as Nightwing BECAUSE he was Robin. His angst toward Batman. His relationship with Barb. His friends in the Titans. Even his interactions with the newer Robins ESPECIALLY Damian.
In terms of character development Dick is top tier. Followed by Steph, Jason, a thousand arrows, Tim=Damian, Carrie "why the hell are you even here?" Kelly
Is he still gay in this new run? If he still is I pass.
When Bernard is not around, Tim will be asking "Where is my boyfriend Bernard?"
>megham fitzmartin
I admire Tim gays to try to ignore this b***h but the damage is done.
Tim will forever be the gay, Robin.
post Infinite Crisis Tim is his best outfit, robin doesn't need that much green
I dig that cover art. Makes me think of a more angular style of Damion Scott's art on Batgirl.
The artist already got hated off the book for bogchin Robin
oof
Jason > Damian > Tim > Dick = Stephanie
Yes, he is the 3rd best Robin.
Actually fourth. I don't even remember the things he does in his Robin time.
Even Jason for being hated as he is, people still recognize his "the cult", pushing rapist to death, and death in the family events.
Does Tim did anything noteworthy in his Robin time?
Tim happened to be the Robin in some good stories. Those were good stories regardless of him, or in spite of him.
There's a reason why Dini and Timm chose to use Jason Todd for the BTAS Robin. Tim has the absolute weakest concept of all the Robins, Stephanie included.
Steph and Batman had such a fun dynamic in just the little scraps they got, it's criminal they've not been used as the Dynamic Duo more.
I'd say he had one of the better character arcs before new 52 happen. He went from this optimistic, naive, slightly incompetent kid who got taken for a ride by everybody to a cynic who still tries to find a better way. Hard to name one particular story, but his whole era of books/crossovers/teamups were just enjoyable for the most part except when extreme hacks took over. It wasn't an accident that he held down popular solos and teamups for 20 years
Just read knightfall. It indoctrinated me as a Tim fan at a young age.
can you give me the gist what Tim does there. I'm gonna read it in the meantime.
Basically, Tim is sort of the guy who gets hired for a job and everything goes to shit a month in. This being the era before a united Batfam, Tim is the only really active, sane vigilante in town when Bruce is gone and Jean Paul goes rogue. so he was initially tasked with looking after JPV and helping him, but he gets locked out. And eventually he has to help Dick sort of reign in whats going on, and when Bruce comes back they establish the beginning of the modern batfamily with them all working together.
Meanwhile, Dixon and David's Tim was a favorite character in 'Tec, Robin, and Young Justice. I don't consider the "new GAY Tim Drake GAY Robin (Oh did we mention he's gay?)" to be the same. Reeks of tokenism. They didn't even make the right Superboy gay with him so Tim x Kon fans would be happy.
Because frick fujogays, Kon is straight and shouldn't turn into a gay so Timgays can feel better about how boring Tim is.
This guy spied on Lois, Supergirl, Wondergirl, and Batgirl naked at least twice. No one will believe he's gay anymore than they believe Tim is
>no h-he's bi
Like there's a difference? All anyone sees is him dating another guy. If he was bi it would be a quick date followed by a swift breakup. Not this "this other man is the love of my life" shit
Lost the point of my post. The only people who will happily accept Kon is a gay with no question are Cassandra Caingays. They wanna forget who took her yellow hymen. Who pounded that yellow pussy like it was greasy tofu
I dunno, I'm a Cassgay and I'd be happy if Kon became her main love interest.
depends on when you started reading, what we can say is that Jason is the worst, he even died for being so shit.