Time for a mental exercise Cinemaphile, its 1993 and your job is to make Family Dog an interesting and successful competitor to The Simpsons without changing the premise too much. How do you do it?
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family dog get ipad
Its 1993 stupid, ipads don't exist yet! Only large brick size cellphones.
family dog become vtuber
we have computers tho
I liked those wild early 90s technology episodes where a hacker would like, hack the conventional toaster because boomers had no idea how stuff worked.
Make the kids more interesting. Specifically make the son less of a hideous troll by giving him at least SOME appeal. Bart was charming and had enough charisma to quickly become the breakout star of The Simpsons and the face of the whole franchise during its early seasons.
But the son was designed by Tim Burton himself! His weird troll doll look was supposed to be a selling point.
Imagine selling a show about a dog that's terribly mistreated by a kid with a shit eating grin permanently carved into his face.
What the hell was Burton thinking? That people would love to watch it to hate the kid?
>Episode 8
>the boy burns down the house, after being told all episode not to play with fire
>brainless parents don't realize the boy was responsible and he gets away completely unpunished
>end of the episode he's trying to burn the house down again
Really baffling writing on this show. The kid is a straight up villain.
It was never meant to carry its own show; Brad Bird even said that he thought the original short had no potential as a series, which is why he never returned.
Burton probably designed him as some ugly bratty kid that would have never been seen again.
This show had an snes game. I played it back on the day. It wasn't good. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2iHJEgwGNEQ
Don't have a cow, man.
The only thing I know about this show is the Pandora’s box comic
Cousin Debbie comes live with the family. Starts a will-they-wont-they romantic tension with the dog.
You literally can't. Brad took all the interesting bits and split them between The Simpsons and Rugrats (the pilot). You might as well try making Crash Canyon original.
I only saw the pilot from Amazing Stories. It was nice.
https://vimeo.com/50995359
They had to make the dog speak somehow.
Have the dog somehow go to a science lab/museum in the first episode, where a mad scientist has some sort of experimental DNA modifying lazer or something that will give whatever animal gets zapped human intelligence/speech/lifespan. The dog gets zapped, but it is quickly and very STRONGLY EMPHASIZED that if it was found out that the machine was successful and the dog could talk, he's have his brain dissected for science.
So the dog has to keep quiet and hide his ability to speak while he lives in suburban bliss, except young Billy somehow discovers in the first episode that the dog can talk, but nobody believes him (because he is a dumb bratty kid who always makes shit up and watches too many horror movies), so the brats' mission in the series (at least for the first season or two until it gets boring) is to expose his pet.
However, this subplot is almost always secondary to each episodes plot, which is about a dysfunctional family and their funny relatable problems/Simpson style escapades.
Sort of like an adult oriented Kid VS Kat or Cornell and Bernie. Except the dog isn't a socialite or an alien, he's just a shlubby/lazy/greedy average joe of a dog who loves his deeply flawed family despite how much trouble they cause him.
He makes the mom happy
Cuter art style.
Sell it to the USA
>Stephen Spielberg and Tim Burton
>show flopped
How?
The writing for the show was extremely bad, I'm certain anyone who gave it a chance would have been turned off by its inconsistency.
Burton and Bird didn’t return.
The premise was a complete misfire. The appeal of The Simpsons was that it was a struggling middle-class American household that anyone could relate to, typified by its abstract designs and yellow skin. When you make the series more realistic, it becomes boring at best and alienating at worst.
TONS more fan service with the mom. I'm talkin' AT LEAST one moment in every episode. That'll do the trick.
She was absurdly thicc, proto Pixar mom
Brad Bird always knew his shit.
Goddayum
unf, mommyyy
>Your husband is still clearly attracted to you 20+ years into marriage
>You're embarrassed
the Binsfords were terrible owners for that dog. Proto-Griffins and the final scene of the series finale were them chewing out the poor thing for shit beyond its control
Make it extra- cruel, but once every season have an episode where the dog has a happy or bittersweet fate at the end. Make it more emotional, early Simpsons was known for having shmultzy crap endings for some episodes so once or twice per season devote an episode or two to making people cry. Crying is what makes people remember shit. People wouldn't remember futurama so well if it didn't have the sad episodes. You have people laugh with sadistic glee as the dog suffers, and then next episode they cry for it as it starves to death outside in the cold while the family gets in a brutal argument on Christmas and you realize what a monster you've become, your brain compartmentalized to have a place both for evil ad for sympathy. This is what would make Family Dog into art and make it beloved by critics at least, and fondly remembered by those who understand it.
Which is
getting sick from a mosquito that was drinking toxic waste
I legitimately don't know anything about this show that doesn't involve /ss/ fan works but I would put the focus on the family more than the dog. Non-talking animal cartoons almost never wind up good.
This was Courage the Cowardly Dog, but with all the cool otherworldly bits removed.
So useless, basically.
Family Dog always left a big impact on the animation industry.
Without it we wouldn’t have.
>The Simpsons
>Nightmare Before Christmas
>Corpse Bride
>The Incredibles
>Iron Giant
>Rugrats
Simpsons came first moron.
Actually the original Amazing Stories short predated the Tracy Ullman shorts. So technically, Family Dog came first.
D'oh!
Keep Brad Bird and Conan O'Brian on staff payroll.
That could work.
But this makes me wonder, who actually wrote on the Family Dog series if not Brad Bird?
The family need to be fully realized characters and not just a cartoon family. I think they look a bit too goofy for it to ever work though, especially the dad. The son just being an inhuman monster you could never care for is probably the biggest hurdle with them. I don't think most adults are going to be too interested in seeing stories about the titular dog either unless he talks and says witty adult things.
Okay here's my idea:
- Make the family less cartoony.
- Make the dad fat and stupid.
- Make the little boy into a wacky evil genius baby.
- Make the girl a teenager, and maybe add a teenage son as well.
- Make the dog talk
- Change the title from Family Dog to Family Guy
The dog is secretly having sex with the wife
Just play the theme song on a 22-minute loop for every episode: https://youtu.be/h_zdk1YORp0
I wish prime time animated sitcoms could still have this much SOUL
Is the boy supposed to look like a literal clown?
I suppose so.
I think he's supposed to be inspired by Raggity Andy and maybe that evil Chuckie Doll movie monster
Lol, didn't Brad Bird work on that movie?
People just know those dolls are evil
It's very catchy
A huge problem for that show was that it came six years after the Amazing Stories episode. That's way too long of a gap to capitalize off of the success of the latter.
Big mistake on their part. Gotta strike while the iron's hot.
The big delay during production didn’t help matters
qrd?
Similar to the Simpsons, the original batch of episodes weren't satisfied with the original animation and had it resent. This, coupled with recasting the dad delayed the series until 1993. It was originally scheduled for a March 1991 release and you can see it in the first episode (the dog trophy has 1991 written on it).
What the frick. How would that even happen? You would think Spielberg would be against that seeing as he went on to produce Animaniacs.
Have Spielberg fund it like Tiny Toons and Animaniacs.
It was debuted on Amazing Stories, btw.
https://vimeo.com/50995359
So I watched the Amazing Stories short some Anon posted. now assuming the show is just like the shorts I think it would have a lot of problems. None of the main characters are "good people" except for the dog. Works well for shorts but not so much for a show. I would make the characters nicer and give them more depth. I would make the girl less moronic.
Now the show as I can see it is, "the world from dog's point of view, sort of". It's kind of like Rugrats except switch out babies for dogs. I would add more dogs. I would make the mother nicer. Maybe the mother is an animal lover and has the house filled with all sorts of different kinds of animals. Maybe the mother also trains people's dogs to be like attack dogs or maybe she houses dogs before they find their forever home. Maybe she is a vet who is way to into her work.
The husband I would like to give a middle-class job that isn't seen too often in cartoons. Like how the husband in Bob And Margret is a dentist. I would soften him up too. Like the animals get to him sometimes but he still loves his family and all the animals in his crazy household.
The boy I would turn into a Calvin (from Calvin And Hobbs) maybe a little more feral and less intellectual. Have him always going out and getting dirty with his wild friends. I would give him a big heart underneath all the wild boyish energy. Sometimes he goes too far but knows when he messes up and apologizes. Kind of like Bart Simpsons but less of an butthole. I would make all his buddies fully fleshed out character and have the dog tag along with him.
I would make the little girl a little more quiet and more reserved. Like she has problems at school she would talk about it with the dog. And maybe the dog helps her out in some ways or maybe he is just there to listen and at the end of the day, she fixes the problem. Sort of a Charly Brown kind of vibe.
So in other words, Family Dog is too mean-spirited?
I know calling stuff mean-spirited is a meme. But if non of the main characters are good people except for one then it's a really hard thing to write. The only show that pulls that off well that I can think of is Moral Orel. But this show isn't trying to be an edgy adult comedy or a dramedy that explores darker subjects like trama.
Classic Rick And Morty did an okay job at having an butthole main character but he was balanced out by having everyone else either being normal or the moral center (Morty).
Seeing an animal getting shat on by the world especially when he can't talk just isn't funny. Except I guess they did get it to work on Courage. Although Courage would be triumphant and you had Merrill to balance out Hustese's abuse. Imagine Courage but he never talks and he lives in a whole household filled with abusive Husteses. And there is no supernatural stuff going on. That show would suck.
Have you ever watched Stressed Eric? That is the perfect example of a boring mean spirited show. The whole world just shits on Eric until the stress is too much and his own stress veins strangle him to death. That's how every episode ends. Now the first episode is fine. But that's how every episode works so you just get sick of it.
Invader Zim is another good show with only one good character (for the most part). but that show is at least saying something. it's making a commentary on society. Even if it's a shallow teenager angsty commentary
I guess the biggest problem with Family Dog is that it doesn't have much to say. Aside from showing the dog's point of view having to deal with shitty kids and owners. What else can it say? You can say that in a short and it works. But as a show? How far can you stretch that message?
The Simpsons I think is the perfect example of a show that explores a lot of ideas. The show is about family and America. Those subjects will never run out of ideas for good episodes or it will last at least 8 seasons before the well is tapped
I only know about this show because I got SNES game as a kid which sucked.
I've never seen it but I would add breasts.
The wife already has a decent pair of breasts and a huge fat ass. Like she is already hot as hell. I mean I am always a fan of big boobah but when a babe already has decent boobage and a fat ass it almost comes off as greedy to ask for more.
This. Bev's design is already perfect. The problem comes from the family as a whole being either too unlikable or too boring. How does Poochini compare?
>1985
She's in her 70s now
Like that's gonna stop me.
Why do the kids look like Raggedy Anne and Andy?
The mom gets naked
Was this made by the dude that did the greenhaired guy and his dog?
Beetlejuice?
No. Bernie was the guy's name. I think.
Ah, you must be thinking of Corneil & Bernie. Totally unrelated show. Family Dog was actually created by Brad Bird (Iron Giant, Incredibles), but the short-lived TV series based off his original short was led by Chris Buck (Frozen, Tarzan).
Ah yep. Why the frick do I remember his hair as green?
Another show that got an unnecessary revival with a clear animation downgrade.
SON OF MAN LOOK TO THE SKY
what a fun wonky logo
This show was too childish for adults, but ~slightly~ too adult for kids
It really should have been on Nickelodeon, kids wouldn't mind a mute canine protagonists as much.
Why Nick specifically?
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