>time travel. >you can't change the past because if you do the future will become worse

>time travel
>you can't change the past because if you do the future will become worse
Is this cope or the writers trying to protect the status quo?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Massive cope to protect the status quo
    Flashpoint was the worst ever example because for some bloody reason Barry's mom's death is randomly so existentially important that changing it causes random stupid changes in the timeline just because like Bruce dying or Themyscira going to war

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He should've just asked Booster Gold to save his mom.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Booster Gold also can't change events int he past because the universe wills them to happen no matter what. Like when he couldn't stop Batgirl from being crippled. Except when he can like in The Gift and it just randomly ignores this rule.
        And even then when it creates a bad future, he literally could have just timetravelled multiple times to alleviate any bad aftereffects.
        In The Gift because Booster stopped Bruce's parents from dying, Starro kills superheroes, Ras creates a kingdom, Joker poisons Gotham.
        Now instead of re-killing Bruce's parents and pretending this is good, Booster could have just saved the parents, AND ALSO warned about Starro, AND ALSO warned about Ras, AND ALSO Joker
        Time Travel is so OP it is impossible to argue it makes the future worse when you can make infinite miniscule corrections as you please

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Time Travel has to be forbidden and have dumb consequences that magically can't be fixed because otherwise no story in that universe would have any stakes or tension

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't it less about saving his mom and more the act of going back to begin wifh?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't flash drain the speedforce and caused a wave that affected everything in Barry's history or something like that

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Massive cope to protect the status quo
          Flashpoint was the worst ever example because for some bloody reason Barry's mom's death is randomly so existentially important that changing it causes random stupid changes in the timeline just because like Bruce dying or Themyscira going to war

          Yeah, Zoom even says this outright: it's not that Barry's mom is this important cosmic event its that Barry did it in such a dipshit slapdash manner that he essentially tore the Speedforce a new asshole

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Butterfly Effect

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just an easy way to make a plot happen with tried and tested themes and arcs that apply to the basic human condition.

      >You can't save your mom or the world will be shit!
      Yes, it's contrived as fuck and heavy handed, but that's pretty unimportant to the actual story which is about putting other people's interests above your own.
      If you want a nuanced exploration of hard sci Fi and the human condition you probably shouldn't look for it in cape comics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >putting other people's interests above your own.
        I would argue that putting the life of your loved ones below the life of strangers is very psychopathic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not if those few are your loved ones.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Most would say it's not moral to let billions die so your mom can live. Morality is subjective and heuristic in nature but that's still a hard sell.

              So really Flash should convince everyone that saving his mom is for the best then it's okay.

              >Flash should convince people getting stabbed that it's ok because his mom gets to live
              That would make it a lot easier to swallow as a moral action of it weren't impossible

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those people don't love their mom enough.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >T. Psychopath

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would you kill your mom to save India?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not stupid enough to say I know how I'd act under that duress, but that's also quite a different question from both "would you kill India to save your mom" and "would it be moral to kill your mom to save India"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not stupid enough to say I know how I'd act under that duress
                Skill issue
                >but that's also quite a different question from both "would you kill India to save your mom" and "would it be moral to kill your mom to save India"
                Fair enough

                [...]
                >Man that doesn't value human life confused by those that do, news at 11

                I value the human life of my loved ones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those people don't love their mom enough.

                >Man that doesn't value human life confused by those that do, news at 11

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Man, I really try to avoid being a Pakistani stereotype but the fact this made me laugh out loud... The. again I'm pretty sure I'd depopulate Pakistan to save my mom because I don't really have a connection to it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What did they ever do for me?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So really Flash should convince everyone that saving his mom is for the best then it's okay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a fragile and unstable multiverse like the DC multiverse, a single alter event in the past can have a dramatic consequences in the present universe/alternate universes within the fragile and unstable DC multiverse. Flashpoint wasnt even the first example of this happening. Also happened in a Superman/Batman book where the Legion of Supervillains kidnapped infant Bruce and Clark, and raised them as their own.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Massive cope to protect the status quo
      kek

      >time travel
      >you can't change the past because it already happened
      The optimal scenario

      this

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >time travel
    >you can't change the past because it already happened
    The optimal scenario

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Travel back in time
      >Stuck in the middle of space because everything in the universe is moving
      Or
      >Travel back in time
      >Everything you do is just a part of what already happened
      Or
      >Travel back in time
      >Suddenly a spot that was just air is instantaneously both air and a time machine
      >Nuclear fusion explosion occurs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TPBP

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It may actually be just the realistic approach to time travel. Time is not a trip. Time just shows when a piece of matter moves in the universe. Imagine
    if you take a piece of sand from one part of the beach and put it on the other side of the beach. You just created a place with less sand than before with 1 unit. This what time trivel means in reality. Basically the story of Walt Disney being frozen. He stood in one state and waking up in the future. You can't go back because energy doesn't go back, it ricochets in it's own way so it's always forward.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Time travel
    >Change the past and make the future/present objectively better
    >Now the characters use time travel to fix every single problem
    Time travel is the death of writing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds very SMBC
      >Time travel used to solve major problems like war and poverty
      >As things improve time travel is used to fix increasingly petty issues like oversleeping or microwaving your food too long
      >Eventualy people are spending most of their lives time travelling to fix their personal issues that all the major problems start up again
      >Finally someone goes badk and kills the guy who invented time travel before he ever thought of it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One Punch Man just did this shit and their method for fixing the problem of time travel solving everything is that the guy who did it just forgets how to do it.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's nonsense because it implies whatever shitshow the author has constructed is the best timeline.

    Honestly most of the problems with shitty time travel plots come from shitty time travel rules. If you can't change the past because stable time loop, there's no fucking problem. If you ALWAYS change the past and end up as an alternate version of yourself unmoored from your original timeline, you might as well try to make this new timeline better since you're fucking stuck there as a time clone. If you can change the past, but it will only create an alternate reality you can then draw resources and/or allies from because you'll be able to return to your original future, again, there's no fucking problem.

    Shit only gets nonsensical with more exotic bullshit where characters are in a position to reclaim lost timelines cause they're dealing with timeline overwriting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also note: Literally all of the aforementioned not shit time travel systems don't have to deal with

      >Time travel
      >Change the past and make the future/present objectively better
      >Now the characters use time travel to fix every single problem
      Time travel is the death of writing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah this is the death of storytelling. No conflict since you can just go to a timeline where everything is fine. Didn't get into the college you want? Go to the timeline where you did. Your wife and kids left you? Go to the timeline where they didn't. You don't ever need to change or work for anything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying your other versions will be easy to kill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Assuming that's the version of time travel we're going with, retards who criticize time travel in writing don't consider the psychological implications of replacing yourself in whatever ideal reality to travel to.

          >No conflict since you can just go to a timeline where everything is fine.
          Bruh, it's still a fucking choose your own adventure and you're still fucking aging. Even if you could create a timeline where your wife doesn't leave you, she wouldn't be leaving THAT TIMELINE'S YOU. You you is still fucked.

          And more to the fucking point, in any timeline but your own you're effectively homeless with fake docs and no money.

          Though I guess in theory you could cuck your past self though the last hentai I saw where someone did that his past self blew his brains out in front of his future self and that's got to be a downer.

          Dipshits that don't understand time travel such as yourself need to stop trying to write or explain time travel.

          >You don't ever need to change or work for anything.
          If you aren't bothering to change anything then you'd just be continuously going back to the same shitty timeline you wanted to leave in the first place...although it would admittedly be filling up with progressively older time hobo yous. Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

          Dipshit, you can work to change things in your own life. If you find time travel to be acceptable in writing with no consequences, you might as well live in a VR pod for the rest of your life. You don't need to work for anything and you're content with nothing being real and everything being replaceable, it's a choose your own adventure like you say.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Dipshit, you can work to change things in your own life.
            Except you can't because when you time travel it won't be your life anymore. It will be your past self's life. This isn't fucking difficult.

            How in the fuck are you going to be in a better position to fix your shit as an unmoored time hobo? What part of time cloning don't you understand? You act like you'll just overwrite your past self and get all your future knowledge. This is fucking time travel, not precognition.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No conflict since you can just go to a timeline where everything is fine.
        Bruh, it's still a fucking choose your own adventure and you're still fucking aging. Even if you could create a timeline where your wife doesn't leave you, she wouldn't be leaving THAT TIMELINE'S YOU. You you is still fucked.

        And more to the fucking point, in any timeline but your own you're effectively homeless with fake docs and no money.

        Though I guess in theory you could cuck your past self though the last hentai I saw where someone did that his past self blew his brains out in front of his future self and that's got to be a downer.

        Dipshits that don't understand time travel such as yourself need to stop trying to write or explain time travel.

        >You don't ever need to change or work for anything.
        If you aren't bothering to change anything then you'd just be continuously going back to the same shitty timeline you wanted to leave in the first place...although it would admittedly be filling up with progressively older time hobo yous. Seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah this is the death of storytelling. No conflict since you can just go to a timeline where everything is fine. Didn't get into the college you want? Go to the timeline where you did. Your wife and kids left you? Go to the timeline where they didn't. You don't ever need to change or work for anything.

          You guys are talking about timeline hopping, not time travel.
          We're talking about single-timeline event-rewriting time travel

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You guys are talking about timeline hopping, not time travel.
            I described 3 different systems of time travel, one of which involved the creation of an alternate timeline forked off from the past which could then be hopped back and forth to in my initial post, but in the post you're linking, I'm talking about normal ass time travel where you continuously go back to and change the past.

            So no, not timeline hopping. The idiot I was responding to could have described timeline hopping I suppose, but he was describing complete fucking nonsense.

            Also
            >You guys are talking about timeline hopping, not time travel.
            We're discussing time travel generally. Some time travel allows for timeline hopping between *parent and child timelines*, as opposed to between an entire multiverse.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you aren't bothering to change anything then you'd just be continuously going back to the same shitty timeline you wanted to leave in the first place...although it would admittedly be filling up with progressively older time hobo yous.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't change the past because it already happened.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you can't travel back in time
    >but you can travel to an alternate dimension that's functionally identical to a previous version of your timeline
    >However, if you can fuck with someone else's universe, so can someone else, and that someone is trying to fuck with all universes at the same time

    Man, Noein was a fun watch

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you can time travel and make the future better that is now the solution to most if not all of your problems

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think its more
    >You have no idea how complex things are, and you changing something to get a better future will inevitably lead to something else fucking up

    a big reason things suck in general is because someone is celver, smart and greedy and finds a way to fuck everyone else over, that will happen still and you might just make it easier for them. etc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is the new present is always significantly worse to force the protagonist to choose the old present. Nobody would complain if we got something like
      >save dad
      >dad's rival gets fires
      >dad's rival becomes the evil mayor

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True I do see what you mean then, that the narrative always has a "bad better than worst" thematic. I blame back to the future for this one.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hubris, cope is reliving your past but better, like an isekai or as an oc selfinsert

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While it wasn't touched upon much in the story itself, I liked how Worm showed the how butterfly effect can create differences between two alternate Earths. The appearance of the first superhuman happened on one Earth in 1982 but didn't happen on the other.
    >Closest Earth to our own is Aleph, and deviation from that world started 30 years ago, the moment Scion arrived. Anyone over 30 was born in both worlds, anyone under 30 wasn’t, or the odds are almost impossible (same sperm, same egg, same time of conception required to have the same kid, and that’s ignoring all the environmental influences during the pregnancy, and everything post-pregnancy that shapes the personality.)
    Applying this to time travel, even minor changes in the past like you simply displacing some air while arriving there will spiral into the world being completely unrecognizable in some 50 years. Different people being born means certain inventions and innovations appeared earlier or later, different works of art were produced, different regimes were established, different policies were enacted and different wars were fought in different ways. And (you) would most definitely not be born in the new timeline thanks to all these changes.
    One of the most common time travel ideas is going back in time to kill Hitler before he went into politics, or kill baby Hitler or his parents or other kinds of extreme shit, but for some reason not a lot of people realize that just bumping into Hitler's mom on the street seevral hours before she and her husband will have sex and concieve their child will result in a completely different person being born, with millions of changes in the timeline following.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This thread
    Fixed points in time. I am so sorry.

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