To this day, no one can confidently pinpoint the reason for why it failed so catastrophically.
To this day, no one can confidently pinpoint the reason for why it failed so catastrophically.
To this day, no one can confidently pinpoint the reason for why it failed so catastrophically.
Confluence of headwinds
>SAG strike
>Adding two D+ nobodies as mains
>Horrible reception of Secret Invasion, Quantumania, etc.
>November release
>Inflation
>Incel/manosphere pooping their pants on social media constantly for the past ~5 years
That implies it wasn’t a confluence of demerits.
>doesn’t appeal to straight white men - and even then they were the largest buyer of tickets
>doesn’t appeal to women of any age group despite prioritizing this to the detriment of other revenue driving groups
>full line wide embrace of the MSheU has driven fans away
>the actors strike likely effected it very little but still worth mentioning
>imagining anyone is paying for D+ let alone to watch MCU dogshit shows
Don’t you think it’s a problem that they banked on straight white men (as you would call them, despite statistics disagreeing: right wingers) as a major revenue driver? the movie wasn’t for them and yet they bought more tickets than any other group still.
Please dignify this with a genuine response rather than lashing out. It’s a film helmed by, and starring women, the director and 2/3s of the co-stars being POC. Yet there was no pink hat women’s movement behind it nor a POC push like with black panther.
Why did none of the target audience support it as much as white men 20-50 years old did?
>>full line wide embrace of the MSheU has driven fans away
Whether you agree with the “MSheU” narrative or not how does that explain women not going to see the film and the largest audience segment still being white men?
White men are the women nowadays, dunbass
After the MCU doubled down on the "woman is crazy and unfit to have power" trope in Multiverse of Madness (and spends a lot of other time killing off women, turning them evil or making them useless) I don't see how people are still doing the MSheU thing with a straight face.
The fact that they thought Carol was going to be the female face of their franchise, while tossing away the character who was popular with both women and men, is maybe a little bit about fetishizing Strong Female Stoic Badasses, but mostly it's just their weird new inability to know what their audience wants any more.
Basically they bet on Carol in the same way they bet on Quantumania being the breakout hit that would get everyone excited for Kang.
This guy is pathetic, he only talks against diversity, for him woke is having black people in the movie, he never talks about miscat, about how She-Hulk, Wanda and Carol are nothing like their classic characters
He's right woke is broke now Marvel needs to die and go bankrupt
>It’s a film helmed by, and starring women, the director and 2/3s of the co-stars being POC
I wonder how much this matters when ultimately it's still a film where conflict is solved via punching shit and blasting people with lasers
Carol sucks and was only propped up by the height of MCU hype
release
Will wish bomb too?
I think so. People on social media are already saying that the villain Magnifico is correct in how he doesn't grant all wishes.
I missed anon saying that. That’s retarded. November releases have traditionally been quarterly tent poles. Each LOTR and Harry Potter released in November. The Twilight films as well. It’s insane to suggest that worked against it. Especially when the bigger November releases come out this week and the next with hunger games (which will bomb) and Napoleon (which will likely do 300 domestic or so)
pooping their pants on social media constantly for the past ~5 years
What does this have to do with a female led movie not appealing to female audiences?
Shhh this time it's one of the reasons for it failing, no free advertising this time
But that is free advertising
Free advertising /=/ ticket sales
You can defend a movie from evil troll chuds online for free. Disney and Sony doesn't understand that yet though.
glad the Incel/manosphere actually worked then. if only it could kill other things for good as well
The incels didn't wrote your anal drool of a movie thou, Marvel fucked it up all alone.
>Incel/manosphere pooping their pants on social media constantly for the past ~5 years
That's a small percentage of the total number of moviegoers, if they go to the movies at all.
This movie failed to appeal to its target audience (young women) and it failed to appeal to other audiences because its premise is alienating to non-feminist women and most men.
>because its premise is alienating to non-feminist women and most men
Explain
All feminist messages boil down to "being a woman is haaarrrd you guys!" which we've all heard a million times.
pooping their pants on social media constantly for the past ~5 years
So the incel/manosphere is capable of making multimillion dollar projects fail? Seems like they're a bad enemy to make.
>muh incels
last i checked it's not men you hate's responsibility to force women to go see a movie
OR and hear me out here
It was a bad movie they put all their eggs in one basket on.
It amazes me to no end that you guys hate Disney during those strikes but WILLINGLY go to their side to defend them instantly.
How is that a defense? It being a bad movie is certainly a factor but so are those other things. Especially the good-faith of the MCU brand being damaged.
let me guess:
-People who watched the avengers in 2012 are now 44 years old, have two kids and are married and the have to pay the rent in Paris.
-no le funny rober downey junior actor
-no I am putting together a team
-no postcredits scene with samuel N Jackson saying I am puttingi together a team
-no le bid purple bad man from the stars
-people got old, like really old
Summarize: people who watched funny robert downey junior in 2008 are 54 years old.
So people moved.
Your post is purposefully retarded but you’re right, aging audiences are a part of it.
Everyone keeps talking about the midnight release audience for The Marvels being >50% millennial dudes. That’s because they’re the ones who thought the 2008 Iron Man was awesome. Franchises have to mature with their audience. You don’t get to go backwards.
except Teen Titans Go
The aging audience is in bed long before midnight.
>t. Old
>the fact that its stars were ON STRIKE, and unable to promote it at all
>The ongoing right wing grift hate campaign against its top billed performer.
>The new storm of FALSE bullshit surrounding its director.
>The fact that it’s a more diverse film than the first one.
>The fact that one of the shows it follows underperformed on streaming (EXCEPT in POC households), *because* of general misogyny, Islamophobia, people not taking teenage girls seriously, and getting sent out to die against legacy Star Wars (Kenobi).
>The fact that this is the first project taking the specific bullet of “parts of the build-up were behind a paywall.” It won’t be the last thing to experience this for Marvel, for Marvel & Lucasfilm, for Disney overall, or for Hollywood in general, but OF COURSE, it has to be the film starring a diverse trio of women, directed by a Black woman, that goes out and deals with this landscape first. Not Cap 4, or the Filoni SW film, or Avengers, or anything else that will surely have to climb this hill.
Old straight white males are the biggest attendees.
There's also the fact that Carol has no good stories to adapt
This shouldn't be as much of an issue as you think it is, a lot of the MCU movies that aren't origin stories don't directly adapt specific comic stories, or do in name only adaptations. Some of the Phase 4-5 movies that do take direct inspiration from comic stories have been misfires because they were based on bad comics.
True, more accurate is that the character itself is disingenuous. The early movies did a great job of taking the core of each character, and if they strayed at all from that, it was only in the lightest sense, and usually for greater cinematic effect. Carol unfortunately has been butchered. Not that there was a whole lot to work with in the first place, but she has been made into a man ("strong woman") despite her initial character. There isn't an ounce of sincerity to her character, she isn't a creation from the comics anymore, she is a manufactured product to create a Wonder Woman for Marvel (since they really don't have one). Only they stripped out the woman part of it.
>Carol has unfortunately been butchered
Nta, I've said it from the start but I think this movie was a very ass-backwards attempt to address the impression of Carol presented in her debut and Endgame. Emphasis on ATTEMPT. They try to show her being haunted by her past mistakes, but the sheer gulf of time and incompetence on display-DECADES of being unable to comprehend how her powers work without being handheld by a specific black woman, despite theoretically rubbing shoulders with advanced aliens that should be much better educated than her. They try to show her being flawed and impulsive like when Kamala had to go against her hotheadedness, but the movie just rushes through any length of time actually acknowledging that Carol fucked up to get to the lighter hearted prat of the movie. I'd even argue they try to show her aggression is a defence mechanism against not really being good at anything except shooting lasers, but I'm actually not sure how intentional Carol's incompetence is supposed to be.
You're absolutely right. A lot of the usual pundits think the writing flaw of this movie is that's more stronk wimmen shit, but it's a little more complicated. I think the problem is this movie makes Carol look utterly pathetic and irresponsible, rushes through any form of character development like the Flashback Headset, and then brushes aside her flaws to give her an unearned happy ending anyway.
Kind of like the main problem of BP2, really. For better or worse, the movie did a much better job of making Shuri look like a psychologically broken wreck of a person than a hero.
>Kind of like the main problem of BP2, really. For better or worse, the movie did a much better job of making Shuri look like a psychologically broken wreck of a person than a hero.
Nothing wrong with that, it describes Tony Stark right up until Endgame.
I'd say it has plenty wrong because by the end of the movie, I did not feel sympathetic to Shuri at all for spitting on her brother's efforts to open up Wakanda to the wider world. It would be the equivalent of Tony deciding his mistakes was not selling MORE weapons to his ironmonger buddies and 2
Although, this may be more of an issue for me about how drastically the presentation of Black Panther has changed during even T'challa's run. During his introduction and to an extent in BP1 he was shown as a deeply angry, confused man with strong convictions but ones that were perpetually challenged by the world as it is. Then since What If? and BP2, T'challa is instead presented as this messianic Superman-tier do gooder who can magically talk no jutsu the most powerful madmen in the galaxy into his friends even without his Wakandan upbringing, leaves a lingering vestige of guilt in What If!Killmonger's mind and who was apparently so much better than this sinful earth that without him the Wakandan outreach effort just collapses because the politicians, led by his mother, promptly close ranks against the outside world.
I don't know. I'm not a fan of whataboutism arguments for completely different character arcs. But at the same time I feel the problem is the late stage MCU Black Panther arcs feel unnatural because they're rushing to get to a point the writers want, instead of developing the character naturally.
I enjoyed these posts. Happy Holidays, anon.
>There's also the fact that Carol has no good stories to adapt
what about the one where she gets date raped, gives birth to her rapist, and goes off to marry him? or the one where Rogue steals her powers and emotional connection to her past? or the one where she gets really drunk and almost kills Lockjaw the Inhuman dog (Incanine?). or the one where she becomes a Minority Report fascist super cop?
>what about the one where she gets date raped, gives birth to her rapist, and goes off to marry him?
This is only notable because Cinemaphile brings it up as much as Hank Pym being a wife beater
>The fact that this is the first project taking the specific bullet of “parts of the build-up were behind a paywall.”
Wasn't that MoM?
On the one hand, MoM had so little to do with WandaVision that it made more sense if you hadn't seen the show.
On the other hand, it did sort of present itself as a followup to that show even if it was actually just a rehash, so like The Marvels it left no one satisfied: people who didn't watch the Disney shows felt like they were missing important information, and people who did see the shows felt the movies either got it wrong or redid stuff that was already covered.
Presumably why they're shifting to this "Marvel Select" model where they try to portray the shows as standalones that won't affect the movies one way or the other.
>MoM had so little to do with WandaVision that it made more sense if you hadn't seen the show.
somewhat true, but I feel like if I had not seen WandaVision I'd be really confused and upset about Wanda suddenly being 100% fixated an alternate dimension kids I've never heard of before.
Not saying having watched it made that plot point perfect, but at least made gave the background needed for Wanda's mindset
Twitter post autismo
>superheroes are just no longer the selling point they were 5 years ago, novelty has fully worn off
>movie without a clear target audience
>2 of 3 main characters came from shows nobody watched
>economy in the shitter
They didn't play Crazy On You during the movie
Marketing couldn't fake it and push its female power/equality agenda again onto kids and gullible adults again because everyone watched and learned from it and acknowledged it was trash and adding these fuck whatever nobody characters only sours it even further.
>have to watch 5 disney plus series and a movie to have any hope of knowing what's going on
>first captain marvel came out right after infinity war which is the only reason people went to see it and it failed to make the character interesting
>no one wants to pay to see a muslim superheroine right after hamas has been literally baking babies in ovens
Wrong, H@mas made the second H0l0c@ust, remember?
An army of seething incel chuds were stationed outside every theater and preventing the Iman, Flerkens, and Brie walkups from saving this movie.
When people say the chuds literally caused it to fail, they mean it literally.
/co/sis, the chuds are so disciplined and well-coordinated! How can ANYONE stop them?
You can't say it was an alt right chud campaign when Barbie was a massive success.
Let alone when men bought more tickets to captain marvel than women
lol you homosexuals are utterly delusional if you think normal audiences give a fuck about losers like Nerdrotic or Midnight's Edge
I don’t know who either of those people are homosexual so come out and make your point without references to social media people. Why do you think it failed?
NTA, it was a bad movie, the leads is a charisma void.
The budget is overinflated
Film quality doesn’t effect opening weekend.
I would argue the superhero genre has been hampered by directors and writers who haven’t done this enough. Specifically in an attempt to appeal to people who don’t like this and should probably not be watching action films in general which is what cape shit is.
This is a major problem with modern cape comics in all honesty. Losers like Tom Taylor constantly say this “not all problems need to be solved with a punch” shit as well.
The trailers looked awful.
But that's wrong the trailers had cats and beastie boys.
NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW
It’s a mess. The movie has weird pacing and the villain is bland as Fuckkkkk
Because the lead actress alienated the core audience of the genre and the studio proceeded to make her irrelevant in her own sequel
It was foretold by gyromancy.
What I want to know is which parts were Zeb Wells responsible for
I'd rather watch anime
No endgame hype
It's because the 1st movie was boring and no one wants to waste money going to the theater when it'll be on D+ in a few months. Next movie is Deadpool 3 right? If that does bad then it's actually over.
LOL
>“If you look at the comics, the further you go back, the less clothes Carol Danvers seems to be wearing,” said Feige. “Oftentimes it’s a one-piece bathing suit basically, with outrageous comic proportions. … Brie pointed it out on the wall, and we went, ‘Yeah … just so you know, that’s not what we’re doing.’ She goes, ‘OK. I didn’t think so, but I’m glad you said that.'”
Feige has offended women, he's offended countless athletes, especially gymnasts, he's destroyed the basis of superhero comics which are men and women with athletic bodies, MCU women need to be skinny and fully covered and there's still the mediocre story of the movie
>Post Endgame movie about a character people didn't particularly like to begin with
>Characters tied to TV shows
>Doesn't appeal at all to males
>The un-sexiness of the costumes turns off female audiences
>Other Marvel films have been kinda crap
>Not enough kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty cats
Should have lowered the budget drastically
I can pinpoint it right there from the poster. Growing up I only knew her from uncanny x-men and Marvel Ultimate alliance. She was a hot blonde with huge tits in a leotard who got fucked over by Rouge and was like a female sunfire or someshit. Also its the MCU
Having a poster that doesn't look like Spy Kids 4 would be a good start.
I can.
The ovie is more worried about being a feminist power fantasy than actually being good.
The movie is all "women this women that, women rule, men suck" and forgets that first needs to be decent and engaging.
All the time the movie is worried about showing men losing to these empowered women and Marvel went way the fuck out of their way to promote this movie for having female leads instead of its own merits which sadly, has none because again, apparently the focus was "we are women, we don't need to make a good movie, if you hate it you're an incel".
Also the fucking cat scene, it's just men dying on screen. That should tell you something.
It’s simple: no one knows or cares about these characters.
It's a superhero sci-fi action movie for women. Guess what, women don't like any of those things. They'd rather go see a romantic comedy starring Amy Schumer or Melissa McCarthy.
They're targeting an audience that simply doesn't exist.
Studios have been trying for decades now to get mainstream female audiences to turn out for blockbuster action movies independently rather than just getting dragged along by husbands/boyfriends/sons. It's clearly never going to work - hell even at its peak the MCU was largely male-dominated in terms of viewers.
They did for Aquaman.
Was that before or after the "we need to support Amber Heard" thing?
Before. The female audience for Aquaman existed because they find Jason Momoa extremely hot.
>Studios have been trying for decades
No they been listening to twitter retards on how to get women into the theaters. Turns out the twitter retards that don't even go to the movies themselves don't know how to get women into the theaters either. It isn't hard. Put a hot man as either the lead, a supporting character, or as the villain will dramatically increase women attendance. Or make an unapologetic female movie like the barbie movie. Shit isn't rocket science, Hollywood hired and listened to a bunch of retards
You're right even if people don't believe you. They think men will show up for whatever but they want women too so they take what men like and shift it in all the wrong ways. The issue is they don't get what woman want from their media and men won't just show up blindly so then no one shows up.
Japan found the way in the late 80s. All you need is angsty handsome men
Reminder making Shun a girl angered female audiences.
This, it's fucking simple to get girls in theatres. Put a hot vampire husband in the movie. Or a hot werewolf husband. Or a hot tragic husband.
Titanic and Twilight made bank for a reason. The MCU making everything a sexless quipfest isn't just a turnoff to men, it's an even bigger turnoff to women.
>lists romantic films
So what you're saying is Marvel should tap into some Patsy Walker or Millie the Model if they want the female audience? I'd dig it
Nah. I'd say CW Riverdale had the right idea in terms of getting the Twilight/tumblr audience, but they executed it so horribly that the fans of the early seasons want the actors to break out of their contractual chains.
Completely agreed. It had the right amount of DARK and ANGSTY energy, but then the writing just spiralled out of control to the point the actors had to escape.
I mean. At this point, it can't be any worse than trying to make Kang threatening after he jobbed to ANTS or trying to figure out what the hell they're even going to do with the Eternals
I don't think the majority of viewers think the shows have any impact on the movies anymore at this point. Yeah, Lokifags are having a blast but after Agents of SHIELD I think broader investment is on the wane.
Not gonna lie, getting the Twilight audience with the old 40s aesthetic can still work.
I know absolutely nothing about this movie except this poster and I can already confidently pinpoint the reason(s):
>dyke main character that nobody likes
>literal who pudgy mexican/indian/arab on the right
>literal who nappy afro on the left
I can look at this poster and tell this it's going to be some soulless preachy slop just by the fact that the apparent main characters are a racial rainbow of women.
I didn't go see it because Brie Larson is in it
It comes down to them playing Carol as the wrong kind of bitch. They keep acting like she's supposed to be some stoic stoneface. NO. Carol is a cunt, she knows she's a cunt. She is petty and vindictive and catty. She's an alcoholic. She kills people because it amuses her. She's almost evil but also fun to watch.
She's a hero but she's also a bad person. Grinding down those edges makes her boring as shit. Put her back in her slutty slut suit and let her be the cunt she truly is and MAYBE people would watch it.
Sounds like an interesting bitch-hero, would watch.
I don't even go to the movies anymore, I just wait for streaming. If they put it up on D+ this week for like $20 I'd probably buy it.
>To this day, no one can confidently pinpoint the reason for why it failed so catastrophically.
Becouse the general audience didn't want to watch another movie about captain marvel, her movie was boring and propped up by being sanwiched between the most watched MCU movies and pretending it was important and not a last minute addition
The other 2 "literally who?"s didn't help at all, people probably thought they were her sidekicks or something
Even for this movie it seems the only thing important about it is the post credits X-man cameo, if it even goes anywhere.
Fan art 🙂
It failed because no one cared about Captain Marvel, no one cared about the other two and because superhero movies are not what they used to be anymore, most people are done with it especially after Marvel fucked it up so much lately
It was sent to die. Disney by this point knows that all MCU traction is long death, with only certain specific heroes (like Spider-Man or the Guardians) having some relevance.
If you think about it, there was little promotional material for it, it was only heavily talked about on social media like Twitter and YouTube, which is not the real world. Your average normie didn't have any idea about it. much less cared.
Is a movie only chronically online people like use is talking about, and we are not watching it, that's why it failed
There is no mystery, it's just a bad movie with bad writing and bad directing. People would forgive how shitty Captain Marvel is as a character if they did something new and interesting and fun to watch. People liked Kamala even though they had no idea who she was. There is zero complexity here. As long as the superhero movies are boring they will lose money. If they make another good one, people will go see it. The bar is a little higher than it was in 2008, but not much.
>There is no mystery, it's just a bad movie
That would explain a huge second week drop say like BvS had but this was utterly rejected from day one. It wasn't the quality of the film but the premise of it that kept people away
Think of Transformers AoE and TLK. The former made tons of money, but the latter bombed hard. It's the same here.
To be fair AoE made gangbusters because of China alone. TLK didn't because Bay didn't learn from his mistakes in AoE, which was putting a focus on Marky Mark instead of the Autobots. The result was lost faith from even the diehard Bayfags
AoE did really well in China, because part of it was filmed there, while TLK bombed there.
Another relevant example is the last two live action TMNT movies. People were hyped for a new TMNT movie and showed up in enough numbers to make the first one a hit, but they didn't like it. The sequel course-corrected on everything but the designs of the TMNT and was a vast improvement, but bombed because people didn't want to go see the sequel to a movie they didn't like. If people who saw Captain Marvel didn't like it, they're not going to show up for the sequel.
>TMNT
GI Joe also suffered a similar fate but unlike the turtles, they a least had a somewhat niche following because the Joefags are so starved for new content.
That movie was also screwed because between the release of the first and second movie Tatum went from a laughing stock to a beloved actor but they killed Duke off and couldn't bank on his newfound popularity.
GI Joe Retaliation actually made more money than Rise of Cobra, and on a much smaller budget. Neither of them were huge hits, but Retaliation was a success they failed to capitalize on because they wasted a decade trying to develop a "Hasbro Cinematic Universe" instead of just making a sequel while people still remembered it.
IIRC once he no longer had to promote Rise of Cobra, Tatum was very open about hating it. He may have been contractually obliged to appear in the sequel but getting killed off early on was what he wanted.
I didn't realize that. I never watched Retaliation because Rise of Cobra left such a sour taste in my mouth. Fuuucckkk all that shit they did with Baroness and Cobra Commander.
>If people who saw Captain Marvel didn't like it, they're not going to show up for the sequel.
I think it's worse than that. People who saw Captain Marvel probably couldn't even tell you what happened. That's a problem for every MCU film, but Carol's origin IS the mystery/plot of the film- not just the preamble to the parts nobody remembers.
So we have a massive potential audience that 5 years later has nothing but the vaguest memory of a character.
>The Marvel's first Monday and Tuesday : 2.3mil and 3.3mil
>Superpets first Monday and Tuesday : 2.6mil and 3.7mil
Just in case you didn't know just how badly things were going
>$114.7 million box office
>OFFICIALLY reported
Oh no no no Cinemaphilemblr...I thought this movie was supposed to have "legs"...
It's made less the last two days than Superpets. It's going end it's run with a lower domestic run than fucking Superpets. Superpets!
Shit I even forgot Superpets existsed until now
Musicals, too. Bitches love musicals, and in general any form of performance with SINCERE, TURBULENT emotions on full display. Nobody here talks about it because muh culture war but one of the reasons why anime is popular is because people are fucking sincere most of the time. Even if they're sincerely murderous.
It really is a testament to how badly Cats (2019) fucked up that it managed to alienate everyone involved.
Ehh, musicals are a hit-or-miss as adaptations. On broadway, there's PASSION, but movies like Cats and arguably Hugh Jackman's Les Miserables seems to want to attract the general audiences. Though I don't doubt Hamilton would probably do well in the distant future.
>anime
That's cheating, but true. I have a female friend who types just like that and is unapolegetically horny in every GC for 2D. Similarly, video games tend to attract a very horny audience for hunky males (like the Assassin's Creed series), but they tend to share it with fujoshis.
>Though I don't doubt Hamilton would probably do well in the distant future.
I'm surprised someone hasn't already done a big budget Hamilton adaptation already, that shit's still fairly popular going by youtube views
>and in general any form of performance with SINCERE, TURBULENT emotions on full display. Nobody here talks about it because muh culture war but one of the reasons why anime is popular is because people are fucking sincere most of the time. Even if they're sincerely murderous.
This is also why a property aimed at boys with lots of fanservice and sexy teenaged girls with bombshell bodies walking around manages to attract a huge female audience; the main cast is full of emotional teenaged boys and there's lots of action and high-tension fighting.
I'm more curious to know if people are reacting more to Loki's finale than The Marvels. Obviously the Youtube lorefags are hyping Loki's end to "CHANGE THE MCU FOREVER" but I find it funny that on socials, a bit of Loki slips through my recommendations which usually indicates that it's trending positively.
It's already not even #1 in my country anymore. That Hunger Games prequel has killed it completely
That's crazy to me because I barely hear anything about the Hunger Games prequel. Who still cares about Hunger Games, even?
Honestly I'd argue that even the shows doesn't help figuring out what the hell is going on with two of these characters. If anything, it makes them either seem even more bizarre, or like deeply terrible people
>Monica exonerating Wanda for everything and not just giving her a free pass but calling her a hero suddenly makes sense because of her overbearing abandonment issues, she's using Wanda as a surrogate Carol
>Carol acts nothing like the confident but sometimes goofy and conflicted woman in Captain Marvel 1 or the smug bitch in Endgame, and seems like she's about to go alcoholic any moment if she hasn't already. In hindsight since she was avoiding Earth SPECIFICALLY to avoid talking to Monica and she DIDN'T EVEN COME BACK TO EARTH TO CHECK IF SHE WAS ALIVE AFTER THE SNAP, it seems like Carol is like King from One Punch Man: Putting up a front to hide what a mess she's been after trying to solve the Kree in the stupidest way possible once, and then basically giving up
I can't judge Kamala because I didn't watch her show, and despite being framed as an audience self-insert with an initially positive view of Carol Kamala was still my favourite part of the movie because she came across as the most well-adjusted person on the team.
Don't underestimate the silent YA fandoms. They are aggressively autistic and fiercely loyal to their books. Just look at how HP still manages to get shitfits every now and then?
You're right. Some fucking how NidoranDuran and Cambrian are still pumping out commissioned Harry Potter power fantasy fanfics even as Hentai Foundry's ancient code falls apart
>Who still cares about Hunger Games, even?
Women. The 7 30 showing at my closest theatre is sold out apart from the first row. The Marvel's didn't sell anywhere close to half
Here's Hunger Games that starts in an hour
And here's the Marvel's that started 10 minutes ago
anon that's a theater with 100 or fewer seats
looking at the quads i wasted when i could have said something more clever or edgy
If it makes you feel any better the showing at 8 on the bigger screen only had 6 people in it.
that doesn't make me feel better
*dabs on your capeshit*
Thanks for reminding me, might actually watch this one to replace Fantastic Beasts for leaving a sour taste in my mouth
Have a good one, sis. I never watched the Hunger Games movies myself and my expectations for Beasts was always rock bottom once I realised they writers never game a shit about the beasts, they just needed an excuse to tell the tale of Dumbledore's destructive gay romance and used Newt as a means to that end.
More of a Chaos Walking guy myself.
>Marvels stars 3 characters
>Rambeau requires that you watch Wanda vision to have her backstory
>Captain Marvel requires her movie and possibly Endgame for her backstory
>Ms. Marvel Requires you to watch her show
>Its in the MCU so its probably expected that you watched most of it.
I don't have the time to watch, let alone retain all that useless information.
>Loki gets all the MCU attention from fans
>Hunger Games gets the ticket sales from The Marvels
If Superpets were released this month, it would be salt in the wound for carolbros
There's also that Thanksgiving horror movie doing some damage. In the US at least, the rest of the world doesn't know what the fuck Thanksgiving is
>the rest of the world doesn't know what the fuck Thanksgiving is
I have a slight impression of the holiday thanks to the animated series, it is a party where you eat turkey, give thanks to God and celebrate the massacre of the Native Americans.
That Super Pets movie was weirdly fine.
Besides black girl magic. What other cringe shit was in the movie? Is it true there was an entire musical sequence?
Yes, and the movie itself felt embarrassed by it because it kept cutting away to show Monica and Kamala giggling and ended it real fast. Although by far the most cringe shit was the part on the space station where the heros had to run around using Goose's kittens to vore people so they'd all fit into an escape pod.
To the tune of Memory from the Cats musical.
It's actually surreal.
If I knew nothing else about the movie the fact that they felt they had to double down on the flerken shit was enough to guarantee I'd never buy a ticket.
That damn cat is so annoying I'm genuinely unsure why in-universe everyone lets Carol take it everywhere she wants.
Who's gonna stop her?
You raise a good point. While The Marvels makes Carol out to be an insecure, bumbling recluse of a person struggling to live up to the hype she's built around herself, the one thing it's vaguely consistent about is her being nicknamed "The Annihilator" for destroying an entire civilisation by accident
And she is a good guy. Wow.
Because it's what KSD gave her instead of a personality, a strong antagonist, or an interesting story arc.
>strong antagonist
You know, with all the talking heads complaining about Carol being "too powerful" all I can think about is Thor, as he is, currently seeming more busted than Carol. It's not actually difficult to challenge a character like that. You just have to buff the mooks and make sure the antagonist is interesting enough to riff off, and they did NEITHER here with her.
Oddly, Carol actually comes off looking weaker than Thor because she has to actually kickbox mook Kree even though she can ignite a sun. What I think the movie's logic seems to be is that her powers are energy manipulation-based rather than a god's "full package" of divine constitution and elemental control. So she can make bigger booms than Thor but if, like the villain can, you have some sort of energy absorbtion power she looks weak.
I meant strong in terms of charisma and personality and motivation as well as power level. Strongly written.
Oh right, yeah fair enough then.
The movie's intention is that she is redeemed at the end of it by finally fucking doing something about the Kree's goddamn sun being blown up (which the Kree, and the movie to a certain extent, act like is her fault. Even though she just blew up the Supreme Intelligence, and the Kreenaggers just lost it so hard during the Civil War they decided to blow up their own sun. Which they somehow ended up blaming her for) even though she spent decades rubbing shoulders with the cream of the galaxy's crop and apparently never fucking thought to experiment with her powers, or even assist with refugees, and the way the Deviants react to her in the story makes it seem like she's not familiar with them even though since CM1 the MCU has been beating you over the head with muh poor green refugees with nowhere to go. You know, despite the fact the Guardians of the Galaxy trip over a habitable planet every other damn Tuesday, and this movie establishes the Kree war machine is on it's last legs.
The problem is that because writers have no sense of scale, canonically Carol spent DECADES running away from all problems more complex than flying at something and shooting lasers at it, abandoned ALL TIES on Earth out of shame and basically cried herself to sleep every night about the poor widdle oppressive space empire that called her a mean word instead of actually fucking do something about it. Honestly I would've respected the movie and Carol more if it had the balls to admit the Kree didn't deserve that second chance because let's be honest-can you remember a SINGLE Kree individual that was even vaguely sympathetic? But no. Like literally everything else, the movie fencesits and tries to depict saving the Kree as a good thing despite making them literally worse than the Nazis-sorry, HYDRA battalions that Captain America punched.
They ugly
>To this day, no one can confidently pinpoint the reason for why it failed so catastrophically.
Because the casuals that didn't skip Captain Marvel 1 don't want to admit that they got tricked into watching a very forgettable mid-movie with a protag that they didn't like just because it was released between Endgame and Infinity War.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
The Marvels flopping is a result of that 1 billion from CM1 backfiring on Disney. Deep in their hearts, most people who watched it didn't enjoy the movie and silently chose to skip the sequel. And the worst part (or best, depending on your perspective), is that CM1 was the movie that made casuals discover that they don't need to watch every Marvel thing to understand movies with basic plots for manchildren.
I didn't watch CM1 before Endgame (and still haven't), and I didn't feel lost at all when watching Endgame because the human brain is at least clever enough to connect the dots between basic as fuck Marvel movies. The audience realized that it wasn't worth it to watch every single Marvel thing thanks to CM1 and that they wasted money on it.
Based. People got nickle and dimed into believing they needed to see Captain Marvel 1 to understand Endgame, only to find out the writers didn't give a shit.
Can't believe I'd agree with a /vt/ranny.
I have a few ideas
they kept adapting KSD's crap rather than Claremont's or Reed's and to make things worse this time they burdened the sequel with two unassuming sidekicks nobody did ever give a shit about, judging but their hilariously bad comics sales record. Carol is the only reason why Disney didn't lose even more money with this movie and that's a fact
Carol has never sold well either.
Reed's run was outselling Wonder Woman on a regular basis right before Disney fucked everything up
That's not really the own you think it is.
name me one other Marvel's female character that did better
The first was garbage. It isn't a big franchise the way Spider-Man is. It looked awful. People didn't even know it was out. Pointless diversity slop as a sequel where the main selling point was already just Disney pretending women had never been allowed on film before. Fatigue. The decline of shared spaces like theaters due to the rise of basketball americans and "culture" inspired by them. Take your pick.
I don't necessarily believe in the MSheU conspiracy but are there any established MCU male character who's gonna join the Young Avengers?