Toil & Trouble

I'm still mad and angry.

>But Anon, don't you have enough cartoons and comics and manga and anima about magical girls and witches?

No. Never enough.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    frick lauren faust, what a c**t

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Unsubstantiated

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off, she's the only woman in the western animation industry that actually knows what she's doing.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >she's the only woman in the western animation industry that actually knows what she's doing
        She's a trouble making feminist though.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hey, she's toiling to make up for it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >she's the only woman in the western animation industry that actually knows what she's doing
        She's a trouble making feminist though.

        she's a c**t

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >she's the only woman in the western animation industry that actually knows what she's doing.
        She's good at what what she does, I'll give you that.
        Yet I don't feel sympathy for the show being cancelled. She's from a clique who think animators should be allowed to do whatever they want, no one is wrong, no show idea is bad, and no audience is too obscure. She may be good at what she does, but she also protects those who are bad. Their failures were not isolated to the individual. They took down the entire group. They reap what they sow.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Please elaborate.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            These animators collectively took a lot of money and produced a high ratio of poor-performing shows, because they act like a commune and don't criticize each other. They don't remove dead weight and disease, so the host (Netflix Animation) dies. It's tragic, but I just can't feel sympathy for it.
            Maybe Toil and Trouble might have been one of the good ones. But that doesn't matter, because she was part of that mechanism, a clique that didn't see any reason to protect the hand that feeds them.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Spoken like an expert. You must be an expert with inside knowledge.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think I know what he means. A little while back, Faust and some others were lamenting things were "about to get back to how they were in the 80s". We generally assumed here that meant cartoons were gonna go back to advertise toys, not agendas like most of the recent cartoons with too much leeway (SPECIALLY from netflix), considering the other animators who were agreeing with Faust.
                Personally I think it's a shame we didn't get to see whatever they had of Toil & Trouble, because I kind of agree with

                Frick off, she's the only woman in the western animation industry that actually knows what she's doing.

                , unless she really lost her touch.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I was being a dick because anon made a bunch of SUPER vague statements which sounded disparaging despite not really saying anything.

                I agree with you. She does really know what she's doing and has a proven track record. Some people seem to criticize her for not staying for the long haul on her projects, but if her real aspirations are to make an original show, I could see why she'd decide to move on after she gets things moving in a good direction. One could argue that perhaps she leaves at the right moment instead of riding a show down into the dirt.

                I think a 100% Lauren Faust show is overdue. I'd like to see her have the chance to work on her own ideas for once.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >SUPER vague statements which sounded disparaging despite not really saying anything.
                Sometimes the truth is disparaging.
                Netflix Animation was sunk by a bunch of bad shows. Faust's show was a bystander, but not completely innocent because, along with the rest of animation twitter, she perpetuated the idea that cartoons shouldn't have any responsibility to be financially viable.
                She's a successful animator. Successful people shouldn't hang around with failures, yet this is exactly what the vast majority of these animators promote in the name of unity and being allies. This isn't a vague observation, and it shouldn't even be controversial.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That was a whole lotta word salad.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This. Creatives are always surprised when a hyper-specific concept doesn't land with general audiences compared to safer, all-ages content. Both approaches suck at their logical extremes, but meeting in the middle is something I think should be seen more as a positive than a negative. The best creatives can work around limitations.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So true creativity is bad to you?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can have creativity *and* accountability. Not only imposing personal accountability, but also asking for accountability from others. As I've said, her show could have been good. But she didn't get the chance to do it because others at Netflix Animation failed so hard that it nearly shuttered the entire studio. If you're going to run things like a socialist paradise, you have to demand accountability from everyone because you're all on the same boat. If the boat sinks, everybody drowns.
            Without accountability, there is no distinction from good or bad, from "true" creativity or vapid bromide. It doesn't matter that her pitch is good. And it is collectively their own fault.
            If you see a coworker steal from the business, but don't care because "frick the man", you don't get to complain when the business shuts down and you're out of a job.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That's a fair argument, I'm not used to seeing these in this place

              To be honest accountability should be about moving product, maintaining ratings to justify advertising on it's time slot or in the case of Netflix a hook to keep audience engaged and paying their subscription, you don't fulfill those requirements then you are either doing things horribly wrong or you are missing key demographic information

              I always wondered who is the audience for most of Netflix stuff and more often than not it just feels like a cartoon done in order to appeal to other cartoonists, ideological yes men, terminally online people that like cartoons and nothing else wich is a very narrow audience especially with minimal marketing behind them

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What she's doing is leaving every show she's supposed to be running after the first season. I don't know why anyone would hire her to run anything with her being two for two on being unreliable.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I agree that she knows her shit but she's not the only one.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I genuinely want to murder the idiot shitflex exec that canned all these cartoons, toil and trouble especially. Im so fricking demoralized for the future of animation at this point. I really hope faust makes this on some other channel

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I am pretty sick of all this post-Harry Potter shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Every story has been done before. Harry Potter itself was a ripoff of A Wizard of Earthsea, and The Worst Witch was done before those.
      You can trace a lot of stories back to the monomyth or the heroes journey...classic narrative structures that date back to early history and potentially before. The only reason you think stuff THESE days is derivative is because you're old enough to start recognizing some of the patterns.
      The originality comes in the execution. Tell the same story again, but impart enough of your own style and flair onto it to make it something unique. I think Faust could have done this with her show.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The originality comes in the execution.
        Well there's been a lot of ones lacking in that and it makes me tired.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Please just shut the frick up...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I think Faust could have done this with her show.
        wtf are you talking about, toil and trouble is already distinctive enough and looks like it's own thing.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Come back with a more original idea, Lauren.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      At least it wasn't a quirky tween girl from Earth.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, originality is overrated, the execution is what matters.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >dropped DCSHG for this
    No pity to the b***h.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Who cares about DCAHG. It sucks.
      The green witch is cute.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        shut the frick up, DCSHG is good
        but I did want to watch the green witch show too

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >DCSHG is good
          Yeah, maybe. It's just that I'm DONE with apeshit, in any form.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            This was a very entertaining typo.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see Faust's take on Ruby Gloom.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure she would improve it.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Cool name, lame premise. I tought from it it'd be some shakespeare kino.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wanna see greenie's pantsu.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Lauren say she feels her chances for it to get picked up are pretty good? Just have to wait another few years :^)

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