I want so badly to laugh at this, but I can distinctly remember having surreal nightmares about this show when I was about 4 years old. In fact, for years I thought the whole series was a dream until I finally remembered the name "Frank the weiner dog" and googled it. What a nice little show.
>To keep it Cinemaphile, imagine a tween slice of life show >Cinemaphile >tween slice of life
That's an Cinemaphile genre but you're forgiven because TVTropes relates everything back to anime and imaginary Japanese culture (I swear some pages even do the thing where contributors refuse to translate words because they think it refers to something special that only happens on the magical island of the samurai).
It means nothing. It was invented by TVTropes. You Google it and only that and reddit comes up.
The TVTropes page is just a long list of references and is a mess in general. It claims Lancer is Arthurian (it's not) but then says its namesake's inspiration (man-at-arms) isn't known for using lances... so yeah. A mess.
Your pic related forgot to include the "fan works" section where fanfic writers add their own godawful shit while talking about themselves in third person.
I'll think about it if I make another shitpost about the site.
I had to cut down that image because there was too much awful shit to cover on that page alone.
>John Carpenter's The Thing >Four Is Death: Notably, we only get to see the Thing's full transformations four times: the dog in the kennel, Norris in the infirmary, Palmer during the blood test, and Blair in the finale.
Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film. It's definitely not like there was going to be a fifth Thing transformation that was fully scored but never filmed.
>Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film.
Yeah John was, that's why his films are reminiscent of Hideo Kojima's works and even stole Japanese character names like Snake.
What about All Grown Up? That's a tween slice of life.
>tween slice of life >not Cinemaphile
Doug, Hey Arnold, The Weekenders, As Told By Ginger...
Do we need to have this argument again? Slice of life is about boring anime characters doing boring things.
Sitcoms aren't slice of life.
You can tell this is a genre invented by terminal weebism because wikipedia pages referring to cartoons and shows too old for late millennials/Gen Z to care about tend to use actual genres such as comedy, sitcom, serial and drama. Please stop using Crunchyroll terminology to define western works, such as calling Futurama an isekai.
You can like anime and not want everything west and east to have a huge crossover where cringe inducing neckbeards take their samurai swords to school and inject Japanese they learned from Yugioh into normal conversations.
If you cannot understand this please go back to >>>Cinemaphile unless you're afraid of running into an oldgay who will tell you your favourite FOTM anime was done better 10 years ago and that your new memewords were invented by redditors.
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>If you cannot understand this please go back to >>>Cinemaphile unless you're afraid of running into an oldgay who will tell you your favourite FOTM anime was done better 10 years ago
why would that make me angry?
>To keep it Cinemaphile, imagine a tween slice of life show >Cinemaphile >tween slice of life
That's an Cinemaphile genre but you're forgiven because TVTropes relates everything back to anime and imaginary Japanese culture (I swear some pages even do the thing where contributors refuse to translate words because they think it refers to something special that only happens on the magical island of the samurai).
That trope is so Goddamn funny. To the shock of no one, the anime section is the longest by far. Most of the other examples on that page aren't even 5 characters and the ones that are usually group up the entire cast, even if they've never worked together.
Your pic related forgot to include the "fan works" section where fanfic writers add their own godawful shit while talking about themselves in third person.
What the frick even is Whateley Universe? Somehow, despite getting mentioned under like ever other article on the site, the only thing I’ve managed to discern about it is that it’s a woke X-Men ripoff or some shit.
The fanfiction shit on TVTropes is the worst. It should never have been made a category at all, cause then it just encourages weirdos to make examples of their favourite shitty and obscure fanfics about some random kids show
To offer an autistic insider view on the matter, some are genuinely written by fans.
For example, I'm in a relatively small fandom so I was responsible for adding almost every fanfiction written about the show to TVTropes. Not because any of them asked me to, but because I just wanted to.
>The fanfiction shit on TVTropes is the worst. It should never have been made a category at all
This. I really don't know what the purpose of letting poorly written wish fulfilment made by literal whos contaminate what's supposed to be an informative site is.
>John Carpenter's The Thing >Four Is Death: Notably, we only get to see the Thing's full transformations four times: the dog in the kennel, Norris in the infirmary, Palmer during the blood test, and Blair in the finale.
Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film. It's definitely not like there was going to be a fifth Thing transformation that was fully scored but never filmed.
>haha 4 means death in japanese
I fricking hate this so much, they find the stupidest shit to apply this to
>John Carpenter's The Thing >Four Is Death: Notably, we only get to see the Thing's full transformations four times: the dog in the kennel, Norris in the infirmary, Palmer during the blood test, and Blair in the finale.
Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film. It's definitely not like there was going to be a fifth Thing transformation that was fully scored but never filmed.
It's moronic because 4 is such a low number, it's always appearing everywhere. If something has 4 villains, it's probably not making some weeb reference. It probably has 4 villains because 5 would be too many and 3 would be too few. At least numbers like 666 are obscure and uncommon enough that their appearance is clearly deliberate.
>Four Horsemen being cited as an example >Listing the fact that in The Mummy the trope is inverted because the fourth language some guy prays in stops the main antagonist from killing him
Saying Christianity is using the trope is moronic enough, but why even list all the inversions? Are they saying that that scene is supposed to have been an intentional inversion of 4 being an unlucky number in Japan?
>We couldn't find any good examples of this trope happening, so here's some examples of it not happening
It can be fun to go into the obscure sections like Pro wrestling, as well as real life to see what random shit people put in there.
The casino one here is completely made up, casinos hate when people win too much and kick you out even if you didn't cheat.
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>kick you out even if you didn't cheat.
Nah, that's a fantasy, that literally never happens. If you win a lot, and I mean a lot, by a mean that seems repeatable, they might at worst invite you to the hotel to distract you and take out of the equation, but there is no victory for a casino on "kicking out" a person that want to keep on playing and has been winning, the statistic are completly against this hypothetical person winning more over a longer time, since losing is always more likely.
Kind of silly that you are so sure of something that's just a trope.
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Anonymous
The whole thing is just 12 year olds trying to explain things they don’t understand to eachother. Like when you go to the museum and the kids are excitedly explaining the exhibits wrong to their siblings
That's always dumb. It only makes sense to list it when it's a very deliberate aversion based on the story or genre. Something just not happening doesn't count as an aversion, but most of these tvtropes morons don't get that
>This Trope goes to school every day in his black leather trench coat with his bag slung tastefully over his shoulder. He also has the right movement patterns to make it move just right. >He also has the right movement patterns to make it move just right.
What does this even mean?
I have a love hate relationship with TV Tropes.
On one hand it's cringe, on the other it's hilarious cringe.
Though in recent years, they've gone downhill by obliterating most of the actual fun entries, like the getting crap past the radar, real life entries and sex and fetish entries.
>character I don't like runs from danger >Dirty Coward >character I like runs from danger >Know When To Fold Em >character I'm neutral towards runs from danger >Screw This, I'm Outta Here
Nah it's worse, there USED to be a difference (at least categorization wise): the former was for when real-world events occurred that make something worse in hindsight, the latter is when events later in the work make things worse retroactively. The problem is that no one, not even the mods, wanted to enforce which is which.
I remember back when there was a difference between Nightmare Fuel (unintentionally scary) and High Octane Nightmare Fuel (intentionally scary) but it was such a clusterfrick to enforce that they just gave up and let people write whatever they want
Nah it's worse, there USED to be a difference (at least categorization wise): the former was for when real-world events occurred that make something worse in hindsight, the latter is when events later in the work make things worse retroactively. The problem is that no one, not even the mods, wanted to enforce which is which.
>character i dont like does mean thing to character i like >Complete Monster
>male character is shown in a sexualized way >Mr. Fanservice, Eating the Eye Candy, Fetish Fuel, Fetish Fuel Station Attendant >female character is shown in a sexualized way >Squick
Not recently, but this thread brought me back.
Also I didn't read this but I'm assuming that it's a really bad analysis of the Syrian Civil War and that it's a garbage example of a Xanatos Gambit
Your assumption was correct. It's also really creepy to see real life, ongoing tragedies and crisis being described with TT lingo. When I die, please don't give me a tearjerker page.
I got into writing and thought I could use it as an educational resource, I guess not since it's so autistic. I've also scrolled through the highlights on its KF thread.
>character that gets bullied mercilessly is listed as The Woobie >character that is an insufferable bully towards said character is also listed even though they go through nowhere near as much suffering, they're just the Troper's uwu fave
It gets even more obvious when you see examples that have changed inseries but have been left untouched on the site since they never bothered to continue a series.
That hasn’t been a thing for like a decade at this point ever since the cleanup thread.
Honestly most of the contentious character tropes should have mandatory cleanup threads like that. Would cut down a lot of the examples of troopers complaining.
Feels like that thread is unofficially run by the same three or four guys and whatever they say goes, with any dissension just being shouted down by them, especially with their own proposals.
I really don't think most of the cringe TVtropes posts are written in good faith. I don't think that the people who write these insane Nightmare Fuel pages were really afraid of that stuff, rather its just a show they know a lot about and they are desperate to be able to write SOMETHING on the wiki and feel like they contributed in some way. So they make a big stretch
They’re cringe and written in good faith because these are all just kids dying to come up with a comment and make posts on the site. They’re compelled to do it out of a sense of participation and belonging, but these are actually all real thoughts they think belong in an encyclopedia
The Nostalgia Critic has the longest "character" page on the site, needing to be divided up into multiple separate pages
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheNostalgiaCriticTheCritic
IDK man, have you seen the pages for the horse show? It's a full fricking novel. Some of the pages are poorly edited too, not just for that show. There will be a character's page and there will be plot devices listed as character tropes because it happened to them once in an episode.
The Nostalgia Critic has the longest "character" page on the site, needing to be divided up into multiple separate pages
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheNostalgiaCriticTheCritic
It’s mindblowing how strong of an autism magnet Doug is. It should be studied.
I think tropers (and people like them) just saw that he became successful talking about/riffing/shitting on existing media and their little eyes all lit up hoping they could do the same.
Essentially, yes. At least AVGN clones were bad because they failed to match his level of comedy. Nostalgia Critic clones were horrible because they regularly matched his.
It's actually unbelievable how people thought CS were being serious
2 years ago
Anonymous
>b-b-bb-but its just all jokes >random mix in their own real criticism randomly >get super defensive when when challenged on anything despite it "being a joke"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Universal logo appears >"Ding"
It was a massive shitposting
2 years ago
Anonymous
sure it was
make another video driving around seething so everyone can laugh at you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if CS is just a joke it inspired thousands of people to actually discuss movies that way and so they still must pay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's numerous interviews and vlog type videos where he says Cinemasins was created to call out bullshit in movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They ARE serious. They just hide behind the veneer of being comedy so no one calls out their shit takes.
They ruined me. I was so autistic I used to yell in the cinema the sins out loud while me and my family watched the movie. I'm so glad I grew up, I was a fricking obnoxious prick. We need to find a cure for autism some day, I swear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How old were you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't know, 12-14 probably.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a little bit more excusable then. A little.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>CinemaSins
How old were you?
Don't know, 12-14 probably.
It's a little bit more excusable then. A little.
>The Cinema Summary channel was created on January 17, 2017
On the one hand, this is obvious enough, but seeing how young the current gays of the board are is kind of a kick in the gut.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't watch movies with people anymore because they'll just talk over it with their own Marvel one-liners. It might just be normie NPC shit but I blame cinemasins
2 years ago
Anonymous
I only talk over movies when my gf makes me watch netflix original shit for teens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're blaming the wrong thing, probably to divert from the pain of understanding it was something you liked that's to blame for all this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How about we stop calling every fricking mannerism "autism" instead?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right. If only we had a colloquial way to refer to someone with behavioural defects that make them act without self-awareness or social grace.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it exists, its's called self-awareness
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can't prescribe self-awareness, nice digits though
Autistics are, and always have been, fricking OBSESSED with Nostalgia Critic. Him, Mr Enter, Saberspark and PhantomStrider are like their gods of wisdom or something.
The forums are the worst part. Several tards there are literally incapable to recognize sarcasm if you don't pothole Sarcasm Mode. I have no idea how would these guys recognize a sarcastic text on paper.
Also, whatever you do, don't visit the 'Diversity and Representation in Media' thread.
I don't know if it was still the case but it used to be that like, you weren't allowed to disrespect ANY opinion on the TVtropes forums and so you'd just get like insane sociopaths explaining how they want to kill babies, because they were banned everywhere else.
Well, since Fighteer took over basically you can disrespect the points of anyone who has pro-Republican or simply conservative opinions. That if Fighteer doesn't delete their posts first.
I'm not Murrican, btw, I don't have a horse in the American races.
>Several tards there are literally incapable to recognize sarcasm if you don't pothole Sarcasm Mode. I have no idea how would these guys recognize a sarcastic text on paper.
Anon, how are surprised by onlineautism?
I'd be happy if TVtropes was just its own festering pile we could ignore but it really makes me mad when they slip in like, real literary criticism terms along with their made up lingo and totally ruin the general public's understanding of what they mean.
This is the best Nightmare Fuel i've ever found. I can't top it.
If you didn't catch it, this is not for the show Power Rangers. This is for History of Power Rangers, a youtube series where Linkara talks over footage of Power Rangers
This guy’s right, Linkara does have extreme malice and anyone decently plugged into the world will feel a chill at the extent of his antisocial behavior. It is extremely socially painful the way he opens his videos with a list of seething complaints against his fans
I mean he is more or less a perfect stereotype of every standoffish millennial turbonerd on the spectrum, so naturally he'd be antisocial
You can just sense that he'd itch to pick apart even a simple greeting just to try and feel superior to you
I mean he is more or less a perfect stereotype of every standoffish millennial turbonerd on the spectrum, so naturally he'd be antisocial
You can just sense that he'd itch to pick apart even a simple greeting just to try and feel superior to you
This is the best Nightmare Fuel i've ever found. I can't top it.
If you didn't catch it, this is not for the show Power Rangers. This is for History of Power Rangers, a youtube series where Linkara talks over footage of Power Rangers
Maybe it was written by a woman. It would be completely natural for a Woman to be frightened if they were alone with the Lightbringer.
>Work can be interpreted as having left-leaning messages. >Labeled as "Values Resonance". >Work can be interpreted as having right-leaning messages. >Labeled as "Misaimed Fandom", needs to be refuted in the next sentence, or alleges that it was unintended by the work.
>Old work is viewed without context of the time >Values dissonance >People have different opinions >Broken base >That one level/boss >I beat first try, or it took me a few tries but it wasn't too difficult >Do they just suck at video games?
YMMV indeed, all of you are a bunch of morons.
>Old work is viewed without context of the time >Values dissonance
This drives me nuts. It absolutely does. If you try to hold a movie made in 1928 to the cultural standards of today, you have no idea how the world works outside your parents’ basement.
>If you try to hold a movie made in 1928 to the cultural standards of today, you have no idea how the world works outside your parents’ basement.
That's the thing. A lot of old shit matches the cultural standards of today.
A lot of modern shit doesn't, instead opting for vague progressive messages and a lack of an antagonist or conflict.
Those basement dwellers don't live in the real world.
>Watching Octopussy >Go to tvtropes about octopussy cause of this thread >Harsher in hindsight; Orlov's invasion plan is eerily prophetic when you consider Vladimur Putin especially during the Ukraine war
Lmao
It's a good thing that fictional country, the Soviet Union, doesn't exist else a lot of historic authors would be considered pretty racist in modernity for depicting a country as an expansionist menace full of dishonest murderers and a false economy.
>The author really was a product of his time. >And you're not? >No! I'm normal, they're the abnormal ones!
Historians are going to have a field day when they'll review the first half of the 21st century.
>an autistic girl might understand you like the color blue, but have no idea that it would upset you if she wandered to check out the balloons across the street
I think I might be autistic because I don't understand what this means.
>>Old work is viewed without context of the time
There is a page that is a bit better called Fair For Its Day. It acknowledges stuff that may come across offensive now but was actually progressive then. Pretty interesting.
Beat me to it for the values pages. This was from Values Dissonance. >Remember that spiteful jerk from Mulan? >Well, he's a victim of bullying because he's not like the soldiers. >Betcha didn't think about that.
>gay character dies at all >bury your gays
It worries me as someone who wants to write/draw comics that you can't have anything bad happen to a female and/or LGBT character anymore or else its "Dude, Not Funny." Believe me, I dislike actual cases of "Stuffed in the Fridge" and have a weird subversion of sorts of my own.
>Female dies >Stuffed in the fridge >Black guy dies >Black guy dies first >homosexual dies >Bury your gays
I hate this shit so much, I'm not even a writer and I hate this fake wokeness that comes with minorities, you don't even need to kill them to piss off liberals, even giving them flaws makes you sexist/racist/transphobic/homophobic
It comes across as extremely babying to me. I hate how its becoming a bit of a thing to make all the female characters in a series get along no matter what because "solidarity." Some of the nastiest people I've grown up with are women. Acting like we're angels who can do no wrong is just as annoying as acting like we're demons who do everything wrong. I don't like how it has to go the other extreme, too - in the past we had characters whose personality could be summed up as "girl," but now we have hyper-competent always-right girls (who, like the former, still don't get to be funny). Not saying all are like this but I hate it, both feel manufactured.
Trying to look at their examples but they seem to all be post Scary Movie. >Kung Fu Panda uses this trope; the rhinoceros character is played by Michael Clarke Duncan, and he dies first. >Discussed in Canadian Bacon, by Boomer and Karbal who is worried it will happen to him. >In Deadpool 2, the first people to die are a bunch of Chinese gangsters. >In The Edge, Harold Perrineau is eaten by the bear first. Roger Ebert, in his review of ''The Edge'', calls this trope the BADF action movie rule ("The Brother Always Dies First").
The way the page is worded, treating it as a historical matter and on the topic of racism, implies it really should be a serious and dry article that lists the most zeitgeist relevant films per decade and how this "trope" persisted or didn't, and which actors/directors were most prone to it.
But instead it's a cheesy factoid article like everything else on the site, deliberately worded to sound authoritative whilst avoiding talking about reality in case someone calls out the author for not knowing shit.
I think I know more token black characters who have plot armour than targets on their back.
Trying to look at their examples but they seem to all be post Scary Movie. >Kung Fu Panda uses this trope; the rhinoceros character is played by Michael Clarke Duncan, and he dies first. >Discussed in Canadian Bacon, by Boomer and Karbal who is worried it will happen to him. >In Deadpool 2, the first people to die are a bunch of Chinese gangsters. >In The Edge, Harold Perrineau is eaten by the bear first. Roger Ebert, in his review of ''The Edge'', calls this trope the BADF action movie rule ("The Brother Always Dies First").
The way the page is worded, treating it as a historical matter and on the topic of racism, implies it really should be a serious and dry article that lists the most zeitgeist relevant films per decade and how this "trope" persisted or didn't, and which actors/directors were most prone to it.
But instead it's a cheesy factoid article like everything else on the site, deliberately worded to sound authoritative whilst avoiding talking about reality in case someone calls out the author for not knowing shit.
I think I know more token black characters who have plot armour than targets on their back.
Up to the 90's it was very real, just like the Magical Black. If you were a Black person in a slasher/monster/disaster flick your death was a matter of when, not if.
>gay character dies at all >bury your gays
It worries me as someone who wants to write/draw comics that you can't have anything bad happen to a female and/or LGBT character anymore or else its "Dude, Not Funny." Believe me, I dislike actual cases of "Stuffed in the Fridge" and have a weird subversion of sorts of my own.
>Straight male character dies in the most disrespectful way possible >Gets ignored
I had a debate with a friend over exactly this. He did not like The Godfather because they had Michael's first wife killed. He said it's misogynistic that she was there just to show breasts and ass and get killed, and I argued that not every character needs to have full indepth dive on them, especially when they're not a main character.
Oh, those were the fricking best! Wasn’t it just YMMV but needlessly angry? Like my brother in Christ, just go to a fan forum instead of a website for documenting media cliches.
It was a section in YMMV that documented any backlash a product, company and/or person gets.
I remember the Internet Backlash section for Marvel's Secret Empire being huge. The biggest one i have ever seen.
>Watching Octopussy >Go to tvtropes about octopussy cause of this thread >Harsher in hindsight; Orlov's invasion plan is eerily prophetic when you consider Vladimur Putin especially during the Ukraine war
Well, Cinemaphile did drop meme culture when it became too popular (mostly due to Reddit and 9gag) and though Tumblr was never a monolith, there were some decent Tumblrs made by Cinemaphileners and other people that used and recommended Cinemaphile.
Like this one for example:
https://comraderecs.tumblr.com/
To put the meme thing into perspective, you used to have several threads a day (which was a lot given that catalogs were non-existent) of Rage comics, demotivators, and other memes once upon a time, and most new stuff came from that. We are talking unironic daily meme content.
All in all, the people that currently browse the board are so young they likely just have an imaginary concept of Cinemaphile that they are trying to follow, so what "was" is kind of irrelevant. Also, Cinemaphile boards can be notoriously antagonistic, so it's not as if there was a single answer either.
>Well, Cinemaphile did drop meme culture when it became too popular (mostly due to Reddit and 9gag)
No, that's fricking stupid and if you think that "meme culture" is "ragefaces" then you are a fricking idiot and should have a nice day back to wherever you came from
Leddit literally does not understand what memes are. They don't get it's a process of cultural transmission. If you want a perfect microcosm of leddit then just look at that political compass subreddit or whatever the frick it's called; like 85% of the most popular posts at any given time is cliparts of "yes" and strawman wojaks cycling through a scant handful of "jokes" - and they're the resident rebels of that godforsaken hellhole. Go to the front page and it's the same gifs of the Office or a marvel movie or some other normie bullshit with "relevant" text slapped on them The humor is static, the materials are static, it's just apes trying to express the most popular opinions in the safest, most utterly toothless way without any actual creative energy put into any part of it apart from maybe slapping together a side-by-side comparison image from twitter or some news site or something. That's exactly how leddit understands memes; to them they're funny template images and funny captions or simple jokes and that's the extent of it. Anything more nuanced than that is generally met with choruses of people congratulating themselves for recognizing such deep humor or complaining that they're missing the joke.
I know people here like to shit on the nightmare fuel pages, but the other emotions are just as bad if not worse: >Funny
A bunch of mildly funny one liners, taken out of context, with no idea of line delivery that actually makes it funny. Or explaining the joke, y'know killing it. >Heartwarming
The gay/person comes out to their homophobic/transphobic parents. Or maybe, the Mary Sue female character takes over the mantle of the straight white male. I don't find this shit heartwarming at all, and again you're taking scenes out of context. >Awesome
Describing the scene out of context, with no visual. Also awesomeness is subjective. >Test jerker
Character feels sad, therefore you should feel sad. Also yet again, no context.
Also bonus points if they're plastered on pre school cartoons (which nobody over the age of 2 should feel strong emotions over) or internet reviewers.
That reminds me. >Reviewer demands more subtlety in stories >Story comes out with just the right amount of subtlety the reviewer wants >Reviewer proceeds to make a video explaining the story and removing any bit of subtlety from it
I hate it.
Like i said, there are reviewers who demand subtlety while making videos removing all the subtlety and making it as blunt as possible, especially for the people who haven't seen the movie, show, etc.
It really feels like they just want subtlety to make themselves feel smart and then show off how "smart" they are to their followers.
Hell, sometimes they even make up subtlety that's not even their in the first place.
Yeah the whole TV Tropes thing is filled with tons of wild conjecture headcanons and theories treated as fact even when they're someone's off-the-wall fanfictions, humorous shit taken way too seriously by tone deaf writers, opinions, thinking way too fricking hard about everything, etc.
But Nightmare Fuel will be something like "Blue's Clues: In one episode, Blue makes a funny face in one shot, sometimes in dogs unusual expressions can be a sign of Instant Dog Death Syndrome when you really think about it, the view realizes that likely therefore BLUE IS DEAD FOR THE ENTIRE REST OF THE SHOW WOOO SPOOKY!" That's not scary that's the writer being crazy and having weird delusions. Either that, or a huge overreaction to every tiny thing as terrifying and hilarious when there's fricking nothing there.
The Memes section is like this too. 90% they are just something obscure the author found on a forum post or comment section that they thought was funny, yet present it like it’s a huge joke in their fandom.
Frankly, this kind of shit is what pushed me away from TvTropes more than anything else. Some of the spergs there can’t simply state things as they are, but feel the need to embellish and exaggerate every detail of their favorite thing to make it seem more notable than it actually is, like they are in some kind of autism arms race to see whose fandom can attention prostitute the most.
>90% they are just something obscure the author found on a forum post or comment section that they thought was funny, yet present it like it’s a huge joke in their fandom.
Holy shit how fricking true this is. Not a Cinemaphile related example but I was looking at the "Memetic Mutation" section for Spyro and for one of the entries I found "The Sorceress is fat" listed as a meme. I wish I could find more examples because they're so amusingly autistic since they have no context but this is the one instance I could think of at the moment. To be fair shit like that must have been old considering that they usually come with context nowadays.
"Seinfeld is Unfunny" is the dumbest trope I've ever seen, especially when it involves old school anime
It just feels like a bunch of zoomers babbling about how starting the cliches that generic garbage play straight nowadays is bad somehow, but the latter is good cause new
The point of seinfeld is unfunny, from what I've seen is that people think something old is cliche. However, that's because it started the cliches. So seinfeld is unfunny seems to push the idea that the old thing isn't bad because of that.
>"Seinfeld" Is Unfunny: Danny Phantom was the first Nickelodeon original series to be a 22-minute action show with an ongoing narrative and story arcs.However, Avatar: The Last Airbender, which aired the next year, would also follow that structure, but has a much larger audience.It probably didn't help due to Danny Phantom's more cartoony aesthetic and moments of self-aware humor towards its clichés over Avatar's Animesque visuals with more serious and character driven narrative during a time in which anime was growing in popularity with American children.In addition, many shows in more recent years, such as Steven Universe, also have simpler designs and some level of self-awareness, but also aimed to be more serious and character driven.
What kind of mental gymnastics is this
Why did they even mention SU?
How the hell is Danny a show with an ongoing narrative and story arcs like Avatar? Nothing happens in it beyond Danny getting a D on his shirt at some point.
oh, that use is just moronic.. I like the concept of 'Seinfeld is unfunny' because people forget that older shows that seem cliche literally created the genre. It's good as shorthand.
The name is stupid, not only because it does not remotely hint what it's about, but also because it implies you can only dislike Seinfeld out of ignorance.
Pretty much, it's that "this thing either invented or popularized a particular cliche but it's not especially clear in hindsight so it just seems like a really lame version of it."
The name is stupid, not only because it does not remotely hint what it's about, but also because it implies you can only dislike Seinfeld out of ignorance.
I really don't know what they were on when they thought "yep this vague line will be catchy and intuitive"
>Do not use the page as an excuse to complain about this website, internet video or web series since they technically count as meta examples which are not allowed.
Wow, very self aware huh?
>PatMac's video on Sonic Bootlegs starts off perfectly fine, then at the 6 minute mark he suddenly makes a quip about how factories would still be producing a line of cheap figures after the death of the universe and erasure of mankind. Here's the problem: I was close to shaking off an existential crisis when I was watching, expecting an entertaining video, only for that cheap joke to make me lose all motivation and even made me consider becoming a Lazy Bum for the rest of my life because everything would be pointless in the end. Fortunately, I was able to snap myself out of this funk, but what if someone who was suffering from depression wanted to watch the video to cheer themselves up? There's no indication that the video will have a joke like that. What I'm trying to say here is that the ultimate fate of life and the universe can be an extremely sensitive subject, because it is a common reason for suicide.
These people are made of fricking glass.
>Meta Master 54610: Markiplier is not a channel I really went out of my way to watch, but after his 'THIS SUBREDDIT HATES DOGS' video, I can safely say I will never touch one of his videos. First off, I can safely say that I am not very fond of dogs. I can't stand the smell, the noises they make irritate me, and I just can't get behind how clingy they are. Being the only person in my family who does not like dogs and living with three extremely spoiled dogs, the Dogfree subreddit is a nice safe haven for me... At least until Markiplier made this pointless video where he cherry picks the posts to make the subreddit look bad and draws unwanted attention towards it. Predictably, his fanbase attacked and brigaded the subreddit, leaving the mods to spend literal hours doing damage control to fix this mess. Sure, Mark made a very half-assed order for his fans not to attack the subreddit, but I refuse to believe that he didn't see this coming when he references the sub by name towards his millions of fans. Whether he meant to or not, though, the fact is that he is directly responsible for a small subreddit being absolutely bombarded with hateful comments from angry dog nutters.
>Why are the worst of the worst autists always from the UK?
Depends on how you define "worst"; assuming equal degrees of autism, anglo autists tend towards being armchair psychologists and prone to fantasy, German and scandi autists tend to be the laser-focused "human computer" type and Finnish autists bring Skinwalkers to mind.
Honestly tvtropes is only good for basic trivia and even then it isn't great as a lot of the "trivia" tends to be made up or over dramatized. Still browse it when I am super bored despite that>
I can respect train autists. At least they're factual. Making up fanfiction about how a toddler show is 2deep4u because there was a scary frame or some vaguely implied lore about a dead parent or something is far more reprehensible.
Not comic book related but i had to vent. >After watching Lain again after 20 year i decided to look up some stuff online >google recommends tvtropes >its filled with stupid bullshit no one cares about and inventing tropes so that the writer can talk about some idiotic thing.
Holy shit, is the entire website like that? I dont care Lain is popular among latinos or that the kids who are praying to Lain are doing the "praise the sun" (it was over 10 years before DS, goddamnit).
I knew tvtropes was bad but it blew my mind how bad it truly was.
Maybe it was one person or just the zeitgeist at the time but I remember tvtropes praising and worshipping Mahou sensei negima, and now I rarely see anyone talk about it, more people seem to talk about the mangaka than the work nowadays. Also Nanoha.
>so hearing him yell "SLUSHER!" with genuine fright in his voice is very unexpected and scary.
God that whole post reads like the setup to a truly great punchline. Thanks for the laugh anon.
Here's s fun game, try to put something critical about the new Star Wars movies on on of those pages. Then time how long it takes for someone to change it.
I remember once, the Broken Base page for Sonic once read something along the lines of “the only things every Sonic fan likes are the character of Sonic and Batman: The Animated Series” Says who?
Every ymmv page has shit like that. Some troper claims that the vast majority of the fandom does something, but then you go looking and there's absolutely no evidence of it. Like according to Tvtropes that terrible Avengers game is actually very well received, aside from a small vocal minority.
It does happen. iirc Collin Firth played Mr Darcy in Bridget Jones because he'd played Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice. And Karl Urban did a Doom shoutout in Thor Ragnarok.
Tvtropes page for the ganbare goemon series had fricking samurai pozza cats comparisons everywhere for some time. Saying goemon was a rip off even though goemon was much older. Some of those posters are moronic. I usually use it as a means to see what other fans of a series think. Pick a property i know and see how others break it down.
I want so badly to laugh at this, but I can distinctly remember having surreal nightmares about this show when I was about 4 years old. In fact, for years I thought the whole series was a dream until I finally remembered the name "Frank the weiner dog" and googled it. What a nice little show.
Obligatory.
To keep it Cinemaphile, imagine a tween slice of life show where all these posters are characters.
>To keep it Cinemaphile, imagine a tween slice of life show
>Cinemaphile
>tween slice of life
That's an Cinemaphile genre but you're forgiven because TVTropes relates everything back to anime and imaginary Japanese culture (I swear some pages even do the thing where contributors refuse to translate words because they think it refers to something special that only happens on the magical island of the samurai).
What the frick does “Lancer” even mean? Wouldn’t it be way easier to understand if they used English terms like “sidekick” or “best friend”?
It means nothing. It was invented by TVTropes. You Google it and only that and reddit comes up.
The TVTropes page is just a long list of references and is a mess in general. It claims Lancer is Arthurian (it's not) but then says its namesake's inspiration (man-at-arms) isn't known for using lances... so yeah. A mess.
I'll think about it if I make another shitpost about the site.
I had to cut down that image because there was too much awful shit to cover on that page alone.
>Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film.
Yeah John was, that's why his films are reminiscent of Hideo Kojima's works and even stole Japanese character names like Snake.
Do we need to have this argument again? Slice of life is about boring anime characters doing boring things.
Sitcoms aren't slice of life.
You can tell this is a genre invented by terminal weebism because wikipedia pages referring to cartoons and shows too old for late millennials/Gen Z to care about tend to use actual genres such as comedy, sitcom, serial and drama. Please stop using Crunchyroll terminology to define western works, such as calling Futurama an isekai.
>Yeah John was, that's why his films are reminiscent of Hideo Kojima's works and even stole Japanese character names like Snake.
laughed/10
We're on Cinemaphile Or should I say DEATHchannel???
Go back
You can like anime and not want everything west and east to have a huge crossover where cringe inducing neckbeards take their samurai swords to school and inject Japanese they learned from Yugioh into normal conversations.
If you cannot understand this please go back to >>>Cinemaphile unless you're afraid of running into an oldgay who will tell you your favourite FOTM anime was done better 10 years ago and that your new memewords were invented by redditors.
>If you cannot understand this please go back to >>>Cinemaphile unless you're afraid of running into an oldgay who will tell you your favourite FOTM anime was done better 10 years ago
why would that make me angry?
You can be a chink and still fricking hate anime. It's children's cartoons.
Sitcoms are just live action slice of life.
Slice of life is just sitcoms but animated.
It's kind of semantics, but I think anon means that SoL has little to no progression/story.
>but I think anon means that SoL has little to no progression/story.
Same can be said for all the cartoons he stated aren't SoL.
>implying Oz and Alice in Wonderland aren't isekai
>It claims Lancer is Arthurian (it's not) but then says its namesake's inspiration (man-at-arms)
I'm fairly certain it was a Voltron reference they bullshited the origin to not be Japanese
Lancer is named after Lance the Lancer in lego next knights
For (You)
good job, anon
nice OC anon
Impressive, very nice
That trope is so Goddamn funny. To the shock of no one, the anime section is the longest by far. Most of the other examples on that page aren't even 5 characters and the ones that are usually group up the entire cast, even if they've never worked together.
Genuinely quality content
Been a while since we've had OC that wasn't wojaks or spinel autism
its the guy right after the main character who is always edgier than him
>sasuke
>vegeta
>shadow
>Batman
etc
Your pic related forgot to include the "fan works" section where fanfic writers add their own godawful shit while talking about themselves in third person.
>Whateley Universe
What the frick even is Whateley Universe? Somehow, despite getting mentioned under like ever other article on the site, the only thing I’ve managed to discern about it is that it’s a woke X-Men ripoff or some shit.
The fanfiction shit on TVTropes is the worst. It should never have been made a category at all, cause then it just encourages weirdos to make examples of their favourite shitty and obscure fanfics about some random kids show
90% of the time you can tell the entire page was written by the author
To offer an autistic insider view on the matter, some are genuinely written by fans.
For example, I'm in a relatively small fandom so I was responsible for adding almost every fanfiction written about the show to TVTropes. Not because any of them asked me to, but because I just wanted to.
>The fanfiction shit on TVTropes is the worst. It should never have been made a category at all
This. I really don't know what the purpose of letting poorly written wish fulfilment made by literal whos contaminate what's supposed to be an informative site is.
So much pony show shit...
>open random page
>quote is from pony shit, a random fanfic, or some lame webcomic
>close page
>haha 4 means death in japanese
I fricking hate this so much, they find the stupidest shit to apply this to
>John Carpenter's The Thing
>Four Is Death: Notably, we only get to see the Thing's full transformations four times: the dog in the kennel, Norris in the infirmary, Palmer during the blood test, and Blair in the finale.
Wow, John Carpenter must be pretty well versed in Japanese culture to fit that into his film. It's definitely not like there was going to be a fifth Thing transformation that was fully scored but never filmed.
tvtropes hasn't been the same since they erased all pages about hentai and porn games
allthetropes doesn't fill the void either
going advertiser friendly was a mistake. i miss the old layout, too.
It's moronic because 4 is such a low number, it's always appearing everywhere. If something has 4 villains, it's probably not making some weeb reference. It probably has 4 villains because 5 would be too many and 3 would be too few. At least numbers like 666 are obscure and uncommon enough that their appearance is clearly deliberate.
>Four Horsemen being cited as an example
>Listing the fact that in The Mummy the trope is inverted because the fourth language some guy prays in stops the main antagonist from killing him
Saying Christianity is using the trope is moronic enough, but why even list all the inversions? Are they saying that that scene is supposed to have been an intentional inversion of 4 being an unlucky number in Japan?
>trope seems interesting
>go to its page to find new things to enjoy
>it's all aversions/subversions
I keep getting the opposite, I want to see if there are "Playing With" examples and there are none at all.
>We couldn't find any good examples of this trope happening, so here's some examples of it not happening
It can be fun to go into the obscure sections like Pro wrestling, as well as real life to see what random shit people put in there.
The casino one here is completely made up, casinos hate when people win too much and kick you out even if you didn't cheat.
>kick you out even if you didn't cheat.
Nah, that's a fantasy, that literally never happens. If you win a lot, and I mean a lot, by a mean that seems repeatable, they might at worst invite you to the hotel to distract you and take out of the equation, but there is no victory for a casino on "kicking out" a person that want to keep on playing and has been winning, the statistic are completly against this hypothetical person winning more over a longer time, since losing is always more likely.
Kind of silly that you are so sure of something that's just a trope.
The whole thing is just 12 year olds trying to explain things they don’t understand to eachother. Like when you go to the museum and the kids are excitedly explaining the exhibits wrong to their siblings
That's always dumb. It only makes sense to list it when it's a very deliberate aversion based on the story or genre. Something just not happening doesn't count as an aversion, but most of these tvtropes morons don't get that
What about All Grown Up? That's a tween slice of life.
>tween slice of life
>not Cinemaphile
Doug, Hey Arnold, The Weekenders, As Told By Ginger...
>trope appearing under an American show
>HirohitoMitsubichiSukiyakiTamagotchi
Dilate
Why are you so angry in a thread laughing at tropers? Were you featured in the This Troper youtube series?
i just hate that stupid website and always hated it
>character slips on a banana peel and accidentally buries his head between a woman’s boobs
>YoshiSushiPoochiPoochi
I HATEE!
Kek, I read it in Red's sultry voice.
Shame she's a TRA, she's so cute
Man, that discussion page sure is something. I'm gonna assume the people complaining about The Chick trope are all dudes.
>Try it. You'll be in heaven or heck soon.
I can't believe they thought this was threatening.
>I have honestly forgotten whether I'm actually stupid or am just pretending
That needs to be a banner
Some of the classic trooper tale reading videos have been preserved
>This Trope goes to school every day in his black leather trench coat with his bag slung tastefully over his shoulder. He also has the right movement patterns to make it move just right.
>He also has the right movement patterns to make it move just right.
What does this even mean?
I have a love hate relationship with TV Tropes.
On one hand it's cringe, on the other it's hilarious cringe.
Though in recent years, they've gone downhill by obliterating most of the actual fun entries, like the getting crap past the radar, real life entries and sex and fetish entries.
>character I don't like runs from danger
>Dirty Coward
>character I like runs from danger
>Know When To Fold Em
>character I'm neutral towards runs from danger
>Screw This, I'm Outta Here
Don't forget that there's literally no difference between "harsher in hindsight" and "funny aneurysm moment"
Nah it's worse, there USED to be a difference (at least categorization wise): the former was for when real-world events occurred that make something worse in hindsight, the latter is when events later in the work make things worse retroactively. The problem is that no one, not even the mods, wanted to enforce which is which.
I remember back when there was a difference between Nightmare Fuel (unintentionally scary) and High Octane Nightmare Fuel (intentionally scary) but it was such a clusterfrick to enforce that they just gave up and let people write whatever they want
they gave up and combined the two recently
The bias is what put me off it for sure.
>male character is shown in a sexualized way
>Mr. Fanservice, Eating the Eye Candy, Fetish Fuel, Fetish Fuel Station Attendant
>female character is shown in a sexualized way
>Squick
The male examples are always muscular or bishounen as well, I get that it's subjective but come on.
Shit
I had a friend who was into decapitations
So, you guys spend a lot of time on tvtropes, huh?
No shit, I'm fast eddy
Not recently, but this thread brought me back.
Also I didn't read this but I'm assuming that it's a really bad analysis of the Syrian Civil War and that it's a garbage example of a Xanatos Gambit
Your assumption was correct. It's also really creepy to see real life, ongoing tragedies and crisis being described with TT lingo. When I die, please don't give me a tearjerker page.
I got into writing and thought I could use it as an educational resource, I guess not since it's so autistic. I've also scrolled through the highlights on its KF thread.
>character i dont like does mean thing to character i like
>Complete Monster
>character that gets bullied mercilessly is listed as The Woobie
>character that is an insufferable bully towards said character is also listed even though they go through nowhere near as much suffering, they're just the Troper's uwu fave
It gets even more obvious when you see examples that have changed inseries but have been left untouched on the site since they never bothered to continue a series.
That hasn’t been a thing for like a decade at this point ever since the cleanup thread.
Honestly most of the contentious character tropes should have mandatory cleanup threads like that. Would cut down a lot of the examples of troopers complaining.
Feels like that thread is unofficially run by the same three or four guys and whatever they say goes, with any dissension just being shouted down by them, especially with their own proposals.
I really don't think most of the cringe TVtropes posts are written in good faith. I don't think that the people who write these insane Nightmare Fuel pages were really afraid of that stuff, rather its just a show they know a lot about and they are desperate to be able to write SOMETHING on the wiki and feel like they contributed in some way. So they make a big stretch
A bunch of them used to be written in good faith. Then cringe culture took over.
And ya mocked people so much, that there's no real cringe anymore. You ruined your own playground, hunting the cringelords to unsustainable levels.
Instead of nurturing and sustaining the cringe, people hunted them down and treated them like dirt.
They’re cringe and written in good faith because these are all just kids dying to come up with a comment and make posts on the site. They’re compelled to do it out of a sense of participation and belonging, but these are actually all real thoughts they think belong in an encyclopedia
I like how every hated Sonic game is apparently loved by the fandom now.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AndTheFandomRejoiced/SonicTheHedgehog
>4
>boom
>forces
What the frick is wrong with these "people"?
Contrarians. Old thing bad, New thing good.
Zoomers are desperate for attention and they realized holding the unpopular opinion brings exactly what they mean.
Ironic coming from a Cinemaphile user
>Doug Walker is on that page
Does he own a % of the site or something
Half of the tropes come from terms he made in his videos
The Nostalgia Critic has the longest "character" page on the site, needing to be divided up into multiple separate pages
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheNostalgiaCriticTheCritic
IDK man, have you seen the pages for the horse show? It's a full fricking novel. Some of the pages are poorly edited too, not just for that show. There will be a character's page and there will be plot devices listed as character tropes because it happened to them once in an episode.
It’s mindblowing how strong of an autism magnet Doug is. It should be studied.
I think tropers (and people like them) just saw that he became successful talking about/riffing/shitting on existing media and their little eyes all lit up hoping they could do the same.
Nostalgia Critic ruined an entire generation of reviewers.
Essentially, yes. At least AVGN clones were bad because they failed to match his level of comedy. Nostalgia Critic clones were horrible because they regularly matched his.
So did CinemaSins
>I'm autistic and can't pay attention to a story for 5 seconds without an explosion
>*ding*
It's actually unbelievable how people thought CS were being serious
>b-b-bb-but its just all jokes
>random mix in their own real criticism randomly
>get super defensive when when challenged on anything despite it "being a joke"
>Universal logo appears
>"Ding"
It was a massive shitposting
sure it was
make another video driving around seething so everyone can laugh at you
Even if CS is just a joke it inspired thousands of people to actually discuss movies that way and so they still must pay.
There's numerous interviews and vlog type videos where he says Cinemasins was created to call out bullshit in movies.
They ARE serious. They just hide behind the veneer of being comedy so no one calls out their shit takes.
I find it funny how Mr Enter called out such reviews in his unpopular opinions video.
They ruined me. I was so autistic I used to yell in the cinema the sins out loud while me and my family watched the movie. I'm so glad I grew up, I was a fricking obnoxious prick. We need to find a cure for autism some day, I swear.
How old were you?
Don't know, 12-14 probably.
It's a little bit more excusable then. A little.
>CinemaSins
>The Cinema Summary channel was created on January 17, 2017
On the one hand, this is obvious enough, but seeing how young the current gays of the board are is kind of a kick in the gut.
I can't watch movies with people anymore because they'll just talk over it with their own Marvel one-liners. It might just be normie NPC shit but I blame cinemasins
I only talk over movies when my gf makes me watch netflix original shit for teens.
You're blaming the wrong thing, probably to divert from the pain of understanding it was something you liked that's to blame for all this.
How about we stop calling every fricking mannerism "autism" instead?
You're right. If only we had a colloquial way to refer to someone with behavioural defects that make them act without self-awareness or social grace.
it exists, its's called self-awareness
you can't prescribe self-awareness, nice digits though
Only because he was so epic that everyone realized they couldn’t compare and didn’t even try.
The Nostalgia Critic was basically ground zero for modern internet autism
Autistics are, and always have been, fricking OBSESSED with Nostalgia Critic. Him, Mr Enter, Saberspark and PhantomStrider are like their gods of wisdom or something.
The forums are the worst part. Several tards there are literally incapable to recognize sarcasm if you don't pothole Sarcasm Mode. I have no idea how would these guys recognize a sarcastic text on paper.
Also, whatever you do, don't visit the 'Diversity and Representation in Media' thread.
I don't know if it was still the case but it used to be that like, you weren't allowed to disrespect ANY opinion on the TVtropes forums and so you'd just get like insane sociopaths explaining how they want to kill babies, because they were banned everywhere else.
Well, since Fighteer took over basically you can disrespect the points of anyone who has pro-Republican or simply conservative opinions. That if Fighteer doesn't delete their posts first.
I'm not Murrican, btw, I don't have a horse in the American races.
>Several tards there are literally incapable to recognize sarcasm if you don't pothole Sarcasm Mode. I have no idea how would these guys recognize a sarcastic text on paper.
Anon, how are surprised by onlineautism?
>The forums are the worst part. Several tards there are literally incapable to recognize sarcasm if you don't pothole Sarcasm Mode
Autism, anon. Severe autism.
I'd be happy if TVtropes was just its own festering pile we could ignore but it really makes me mad when they slip in like, real literary criticism terms along with their made up lingo and totally ruin the general public's understanding of what they mean.
RIP Deconstruction
This is the best Nightmare Fuel i've ever found. I can't top it.
If you didn't catch it, this is not for the show Power Rangers. This is for History of Power Rangers, a youtube series where Linkara talks over footage of Power Rangers
>SHOPPING ON AMERZON
Voltage Vengerz represent
AND DON’T ASK FOR A LINK WHEN IT’S UP!!!
IT'LL BE OUT WHEN ITS OUT
AND WE LIKE THAT ITS A GOOD WORK ETHIC
NO SET SCHEDULE
I fully agree that Linkara is a walking nightmare
This guy’s right, Linkara does have extreme malice and anyone decently plugged into the world will feel a chill at the extent of his antisocial behavior. It is extremely socially painful the way he opens his videos with a list of seething complaints against his fans
I mean he is more or less a perfect stereotype of every standoffish millennial turbonerd on the spectrum, so naturally he'd be antisocial
You can just sense that he'd itch to pick apart even a simple greeting just to try and feel superior to you
Maybe it was written by a woman. It would be completely natural for a Woman to be frightened if they were alone with the Lightbringer.
Unless she's the green M&M she'll be safe
i truly shit my pants with dread when linkara said "A MAN WHO HAS A HOUSE, A CAR, A CAVE, AND YOU THINK A BAT CREDIT CARD IS IMPLAUSIBLE??"
.
and you're telling me that this show was on PBS Kids?
NONONONONONONONONO
AUGH
A Mega of This Troper
https://mega.nz/folder/EnhT1AbJ#DezvV-B0365MlNXDA2XGBg
AAIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME, THE LOONEY TUNES GAME WITH PLAYSTATION GRAPHICS IS GIVING ME THE NIGHTMARES
>Work can be interpreted as having left-leaning messages.
>Labeled as "Values Resonance".
>Work can be interpreted as having right-leaning messages.
>Labeled as "Misaimed Fandom", needs to be refuted in the next sentence, or alleges that it was unintended by the work.
what stupid names
>author is described as becoming "more feminist" instead of just becoming "less sexist" or "stopped being sexist"
what do you mean? any examples?
>Old work is viewed without context of the time
>Values dissonance
>People have different opinions
>Broken base
>That one level/boss
>I beat first try, or it took me a few tries but it wasn't too difficult
>Do they just suck at video games?
YMMV indeed, all of you are a bunch of morons.
>Old work is viewed without context of the time
>Values dissonance
This drives me nuts. It absolutely does. If you try to hold a movie made in 1928 to the cultural standards of today, you have no idea how the world works outside your parents’ basement.
>If you try to hold a movie made in 1928 to the cultural standards of today, you have no idea how the world works outside your parents’ basement.
That's the thing. A lot of old shit matches the cultural standards of today.
A lot of modern shit doesn't, instead opting for vague progressive messages and a lack of an antagonist or conflict.
Those basement dwellers don't live in the real world.
It's a good thing that fictional country, the Soviet Union, doesn't exist else a lot of historic authors would be considered pretty racist in modernity for depicting a country as an expansionist menace full of dishonest murderers and a false economy.
Reads like fake history honestly.
>The author really was a product of his time.
>And you're not?
>No! I'm normal, they're the abnormal ones!
Historians are going to have a field day when they'll review the first half of the 21st century.
>an autistic girl might understand you like the color blue, but have no idea that it would upset you if she wandered to check out the balloons across the street
I think I might be autistic because I don't understand what this means.
>>Old work is viewed without context of the time
There is a page that is a bit better called Fair For Its Day. It acknowledges stuff that may come across offensive now but was actually progressive then. Pretty interesting.
Beat me to it for the values pages. This was from Values Dissonance.
>Remember that spiteful jerk from Mulan?
>Well, he's a victim of bullying because he's not like the soldiers.
>Betcha didn't think about that.
>female character dies
>stuffed in the fridge
every time
>gay character dies at all
>bury your gays
It worries me as someone who wants to write/draw comics that you can't have anything bad happen to a female and/or LGBT character anymore or else its "Dude, Not Funny." Believe me, I dislike actual cases of "Stuffed in the Fridge" and have a weird subversion of sorts of my own.
>Female dies
>Stuffed in the fridge
>Black guy dies
>Black guy dies first
>homosexual dies
>Bury your gays
I hate this shit so much, I'm not even a writer and I hate this fake wokeness that comes with minorities, you don't even need to kill them to piss off liberals, even giving them flaws makes you sexist/racist/transphobic/homophobic
It comes across as extremely babying to me. I hate how its becoming a bit of a thing to make all the female characters in a series get along no matter what because "solidarity." Some of the nastiest people I've grown up with are women. Acting like we're angels who can do no wrong is just as annoying as acting like we're demons who do everything wrong. I don't like how it has to go the other extreme, too - in the past we had characters whose personality could be summed up as "girl," but now we have hyper-competent always-right girls (who, like the former, still don't get to be funny). Not saying all are like this but I hate it, both feel manufactured.
>Black guy dies first
Was this ever real or did Scary Movie gaslight an entire generation?
Trying to look at their examples but they seem to all be post Scary Movie.
>Kung Fu Panda uses this trope; the rhinoceros character is played by Michael Clarke Duncan, and he dies first.
>Discussed in Canadian Bacon, by Boomer and Karbal who is worried it will happen to him.
>In Deadpool 2, the first people to die are a bunch of Chinese gangsters.
>In The Edge, Harold Perrineau is eaten by the bear first. Roger Ebert, in his review of ''The Edge'', calls this trope the BADF action movie rule ("The Brother Always Dies First").
The way the page is worded, treating it as a historical matter and on the topic of racism, implies it really should be a serious and dry article that lists the most zeitgeist relevant films per decade and how this "trope" persisted or didn't, and which actors/directors were most prone to it.
But instead it's a cheesy factoid article like everything else on the site, deliberately worded to sound authoritative whilst avoiding talking about reality in case someone calls out the author for not knowing shit.
I think I know more token black characters who have plot armour than targets on their back.
The Shining
Aliens is the first example that comes to mind.
Nope the colonist and the private with Apone die first.
Up to the 90's it was very real, just like the Magical Black. If you were a Black person in a slasher/monster/disaster flick your death was a matter of when, not if.
>The boxer
Wasn't the drug dealer the first kill?
>Straight male character dies in the most disrespectful way possible
>Gets ignored
I had a debate with a friend over exactly this. He did not like The Godfather because they had Michael's first wife killed. He said it's misogynistic that she was there just to show breasts and ass and get killed, and I argued that not every character needs to have full indepth dive on them, especially when they're not a main character.
>YMMV page for late 2000s/early 2010s game
>quotes Yahtzee
>this thing is like [ANOTHER FRANCHISE] on crack, on meth, on speed right after it overdosed on lsd
I want them to bring back the internet backdraft sections.
Oh, those were the fricking best! Wasn’t it just YMMV but needlessly angry? Like my brother in Christ, just go to a fan forum instead of a website for documenting media cliches.
It was a section in YMMV that documented any backlash a product, company and/or person gets.
I remember the Internet Backlash section for Marvel's Secret Empire being huge. The biggest one i have ever seen.
This website destroyed my viewing of media forever now I see the tropes everywhere automatically its like my mind waked up.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie
>I dont think Woobie is a real word.
>You know, woobie. I Woobie, you woobie, he, she, it woobie, woobieing, woobieology the study of woobie.
That is a perfect image for it but I don't know why.
>Go to a Nightmare Fuel page for a cartoon
>mfw it's full of actual nightmare fuel
Sometimes i forget just how fricked up SpongeBob can get.
Squidward's toenail
YMMV is alright, it's the most honest about being entirely subjective
>Watching Octopussy
>Go to tvtropes about octopussy cause of this thread
>Harsher in hindsight; Orlov's invasion plan is eerily prophetic when you consider Vladimur Putin especially during the Ukraine war
Lmao
How true is this?
>"tumblr holding respect for Cinemaphile"
How wrong can one be
They loved Cinemaphile so much that they migrated to Cinemaphile and never left
This was likely actually true at the time this was written. It wasn't until post-Gamergate when things got really bad.
Well, Cinemaphile did drop meme culture when it became too popular (mostly due to Reddit and 9gag) and though Tumblr was never a monolith, there were some decent Tumblrs made by Cinemaphileners and other people that used and recommended Cinemaphile.
Like this one for example:
https://comraderecs.tumblr.com/
To put the meme thing into perspective, you used to have several threads a day (which was a lot given that catalogs were non-existent) of Rage comics, demotivators, and other memes once upon a time, and most new stuff came from that. We are talking unironic daily meme content.
All in all, the people that currently browse the board are so young they likely just have an imaginary concept of Cinemaphile that they are trying to follow, so what "was" is kind of irrelevant. Also, Cinemaphile boards can be notoriously antagonistic, so it's not as if there was a single answer either.
>Cinemaphile is full of new gays
> I am of course a very based oldgay
>t. newbie
I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride
Get a load of bad ass over there.
I don't obsess with the time I have been on Cinemaphile, I just keep coming back because it's what I do.
A question was asked and I gave an answer, if you got a problem talk to yourself and try to win that pretend argument for once.
>Well, Cinemaphile did drop meme culture when it became too popular (mostly due to Reddit and 9gag)
No, that's fricking stupid and if you think that "meme culture" is "ragefaces" then you are a fricking idiot and should have a nice day back to wherever you came from
Leddit literally does not understand what memes are. They don't get it's a process of cultural transmission. If you want a perfect microcosm of leddit then just look at that political compass subreddit or whatever the frick it's called; like 85% of the most popular posts at any given time is cliparts of "yes" and strawman wojaks cycling through a scant handful of "jokes" - and they're the resident rebels of that godforsaken hellhole. Go to the front page and it's the same gifs of the Office or a marvel movie or some other normie bullshit with "relevant" text slapped on them The humor is static, the materials are static, it's just apes trying to express the most popular opinions in the safest, most utterly toothless way without any actual creative energy put into any part of it apart from maybe slapping together a side-by-side comparison image from twitter or some news site or something. That's exactly how leddit understands memes; to them they're funny template images and funny captions or simple jokes and that's the extent of it. Anything more nuanced than that is generally met with choruses of people congratulating themselves for recognizing such deep humor or complaining that they're missing the joke.
>Well, Cinemaphile did drop meme culture when it became too popular (mostly due to Reddit and 9gag)
because of stuff like this
forgot pic
The reverence for anonymity also started around 2006/07, before then in primordial times the boards were swamped with tripgays
Oh man, I remember when tripgays and avatargays used to be able to singlehandedly ruin entire boards. Poor /x/ especially.
The only good thing about them was that they were easy to filter. Good luck filtering the ratgays.
Tripgays wisened up and realized they could ruin boards with image spam instead
I hate when they list a trope just say something like
>Semi-averted, this actually doesn't apply at all but I still wanted to write it
I know people here like to shit on the nightmare fuel pages, but the other emotions are just as bad if not worse:
>Funny
A bunch of mildly funny one liners, taken out of context, with no idea of line delivery that actually makes it funny. Or explaining the joke, y'know killing it.
>Heartwarming
The gay/person comes out to their homophobic/transphobic parents. Or maybe, the Mary Sue female character takes over the mantle of the straight white male. I don't find this shit heartwarming at all, and again you're taking scenes out of context.
>Awesome
Describing the scene out of context, with no visual. Also awesomeness is subjective.
>Test jerker
Character feels sad, therefore you should feel sad. Also yet again, no context.
Also bonus points if they're plastered on pre school cartoons (which nobody over the age of 2 should feel strong emotions over) or internet reviewers.
>Also awesomeness is subjective.
So is what's sad, funny, etc.
Why do these pages exist?
>Or explaining the joke, y'know killing it.
That's an autist's bread and butter my friend
That reminds me.
>Reviewer demands more subtlety in stories
>Story comes out with just the right amount of subtlety the reviewer wants
>Reviewer proceeds to make a video explaining the story and removing any bit of subtlety from it
I hate it.
I don't see anything wrong here. It's bad to analyze media?
Like i said, there are reviewers who demand subtlety while making videos removing all the subtlety and making it as blunt as possible, especially for the people who haven't seen the movie, show, etc.
It really feels like they just want subtlety to make themselves feel smart and then show off how "smart" they are to their followers.
Hell, sometimes they even make up subtlety that's not even their in the first place.
Yeah the whole TV Tropes thing is filled with tons of wild conjecture headcanons and theories treated as fact even when they're someone's off-the-wall fanfictions, humorous shit taken way too seriously by tone deaf writers, opinions, thinking way too fricking hard about everything, etc.
But Nightmare Fuel will be something like "Blue's Clues: In one episode, Blue makes a funny face in one shot, sometimes in dogs unusual expressions can be a sign of Instant Dog Death Syndrome when you really think about it, the view realizes that likely therefore BLUE IS DEAD FOR THE ENTIRE REST OF THE SHOW WOOO SPOOKY!" That's not scary that's the writer being crazy and having weird delusions. Either that, or a huge overreaction to every tiny thing as terrifying and hilarious when there's fricking nothing there.
The Memes section is like this too. 90% they are just something obscure the author found on a forum post or comment section that they thought was funny, yet present it like it’s a huge joke in their fandom.
Frankly, this kind of shit is what pushed me away from TvTropes more than anything else. Some of the spergs there can’t simply state things as they are, but feel the need to embellish and exaggerate every detail of their favorite thing to make it seem more notable than it actually is, like they are in some kind of autism arms race to see whose fandom can attention prostitute the most.
>90% they are just something obscure the author found on a forum post or comment section that they thought was funny, yet present it like it’s a huge joke in their fandom.
Holy shit how fricking true this is. Not a Cinemaphile related example but I was looking at the "Memetic Mutation" section for Spyro and for one of the entries I found "The Sorceress is fat" listed as a meme. I wish I could find more examples because they're so amusingly autistic since they have no context but this is the one instance I could think of at the moment. To be fair shit like that must have been old considering that they usually come with context nowadays.
"Seinfeld is Unfunny" is the dumbest trope I've ever seen, especially when it involves old school anime
It just feels like a bunch of zoomers babbling about how starting the cliches that generic garbage play straight nowadays is bad somehow, but the latter is good cause new
The point of seinfeld is unfunny, from what I've seen is that people think something old is cliche. However, that's because it started the cliches. So seinfeld is unfunny seems to push the idea that the old thing isn't bad because of that.
>"Seinfeld" Is Unfunny: Danny Phantom was the first Nickelodeon original series to be a 22-minute action show with an ongoing narrative and story arcs.However, Avatar: The Last Airbender, which aired the next year, would also follow that structure, but has a much larger audience.It probably didn't help due to Danny Phantom's more cartoony aesthetic and moments of self-aware humor towards its clichés over Avatar's Animesque visuals with more serious and character driven narrative during a time in which anime was growing in popularity with American children.In addition, many shows in more recent years, such as Steven Universe, also have simpler designs and some level of self-awareness, but also aimed to be more serious and character driven.
What kind of mental gymnastics is this
Are they dissing Danny Phantom?
Danny Phantom was only alright at best (think with your big head)
>Being triggered by British Stereotypes in Fairly Odd Parents
All of Hartman's beloved stereotypes and cliches are shit.
Better than tumblr universe
Why did they even mention SU?
How the hell is Danny a show with an ongoing narrative and story arcs like Avatar? Nothing happens in it beyond Danny getting a D on his shirt at some point.
Well there's also the characters, plot points, the world, etc.
|From a scale of SpongeBob to Avatar it's in the middle.
oh, that use is just moronic.. I like the concept of 'Seinfeld is unfunny' because people forget that older shows that seem cliche literally created the genre. It's good as shorthand.
Which probably explains a lot about tropes.
I think they should have gone with a name less extreme, like "We Did It First" or something like that
The name is stupid, not only because it does not remotely hint what it's about, but also because it implies you can only dislike Seinfeld out of ignorance.
Pretty much, it's that "this thing either invented or popularized a particular cliche but it's not especially clear in hindsight so it just seems like a really lame version of it."
The trope is valid and useful, but the name is so fricking moronic.
I really don't know what they were on when they thought "yep this vague line will be catchy and intuitive"
My guess is they wanted the smug satisfaction of seeing it mentioned in other places via google search
This is probably the most self-aware page on the site, but not by much.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DethroningMoment/WebOriginal
>DEATH BATTLE! has been blacklisted from this page. Please do not list any moments here.
Even TVTropes hates it.
Whenever I see someone get blacklisted from TVT, I just assume that the mods are fans and got assmad that people were critiquing it.
>Do not use the page as an excuse to complain about this website, internet video or web series since they technically count as meta examples which are not allowed.
Wow, very self aware huh?
>PatMac's video on Sonic Bootlegs starts off perfectly fine, then at the 6 minute mark he suddenly makes a quip about how factories would still be producing a line of cheap figures after the death of the universe and erasure of mankind. Here's the problem: I was close to shaking off an existential crisis when I was watching, expecting an entertaining video, only for that cheap joke to make me lose all motivation and even made me consider becoming a Lazy Bum for the rest of my life because everything would be pointless in the end. Fortunately, I was able to snap myself out of this funk, but what if someone who was suffering from depression wanted to watch the video to cheer themselves up? There's no indication that the video will have a joke like that. What I'm trying to say here is that the ultimate fate of life and the universe can be an extremely sensitive subject, because it is a common reason for suicide.
These people are made of fricking glass.
>Racist Mario is dumb because they didn't use the right characters from Mario Kart
>I have recently warmed up to Racist Mario due to the voice clips being used in some of SMG4's videos
Dumbest part.
>Meta Master 54610: Markiplier is not a channel I really went out of my way to watch, but after his 'THIS SUBREDDIT HATES DOGS' video, I can safely say I will never touch one of his videos. First off, I can safely say that I am not very fond of dogs. I can't stand the smell, the noises they make irritate me, and I just can't get behind how clingy they are. Being the only person in my family who does not like dogs and living with three extremely spoiled dogs, the Dogfree subreddit is a nice safe haven for me... At least until Markiplier made this pointless video where he cherry picks the posts to make the subreddit look bad and draws unwanted attention towards it. Predictably, his fanbase attacked and brigaded the subreddit, leaving the mods to spend literal hours doing damage control to fix this mess. Sure, Mark made a very half-assed order for his fans not to attack the subreddit, but I refuse to believe that he didn't see this coming when he references the sub by name towards his millions of fans. Whether he meant to or not, though, the fact is that he is directly responsible for a small subreddit being absolutely bombarded with hateful comments from angry dog nutters.
That’s hilarious. Here you go, Meta Master 54610, wherever you are. You’ve earned it.
>nutters
Why are the worst of the worst autists always from the UK?
The British are just autistic Australians
>Why are the worst of the worst autists always from the UK?
Depends on how you define "worst"; assuming equal degrees of autism, anglo autists tend towards being armchair psychologists and prone to fantasy, German and scandi autists tend to be the laser-focused "human computer" type and Finnish autists bring Skinwalkers to mind.
Honestly tvtropes is only good for basic trivia and even then it isn't great as a lot of the "trivia" tends to be made up or over dramatized.
Still browse it when I am super bored despite that>
>It's a train autist sneak attack episode
I can respect train autists. At least they're factual. Making up fanfiction about how a toddler show is 2deep4u because there was a scary frame or some vaguely implied lore about a dead parent or something is far more reprehensible.
In an autist's world, you either become extremely obsessed with dinosaurs, pokemon, or trains.
average /n/ poster
Not comic book related but i had to vent.
>After watching Lain again after 20 year i decided to look up some stuff online
>google recommends tvtropes
>its filled with stupid bullshit no one cares about and inventing tropes so that the writer can talk about some idiotic thing.
Holy shit, is the entire website like that? I dont care Lain is popular among latinos or that the kids who are praying to Lain are doing the "praise the sun" (it was over 10 years before DS, goddamnit).
I knew tvtropes was bad but it blew my mind how bad it truly was.
>Holy shit, is the entire website like that?
Oh yes. You're in the right thread.
Now consider the sheer number of idiots who will parrot everything on there while thinking they're intellectuals
>ctrl+f "pantheon"
>no results
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/ComicBooks
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/WebAnimation
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Webcomics
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/WesternAnimation
Maybe it was one person or just the zeitgeist at the time but I remember tvtropes praising and worshipping Mahou sensei negima, and now I rarely see anyone talk about it, more people seem to talk about the mangaka than the work nowadays. Also Nanoha.
This is my favorite Nightmare Fuel entry.
>so hearing him yell "SLUSHER!" with genuine fright in his voice is very unexpected and scary.
God that whole post reads like the setup to a truly great punchline. Thanks for the laugh anon.
Here's s fun game, try to put something critical about the new Star Wars movies on on of those pages. Then time how long it takes for someone to change it.
Whatever was that obnoxious fanfiction thing they kept pushing in every page, where all the characters were trans?
Whateleyverse?
i remember there was just a "signature scene" page for dragon ball and as soon as it gets to super it just immediately recaps the entirety of it
>Unfortunate Implications:
>LITERALLY
>FRICKING
>EVERYTHING
It needs a source now, but there's no notability caveat, so any literal who e-celeb can be used as one.
TV Tropes died with Troper Tales.
>Nightmare Fuel page
>Addendum after addendum after addendum about how REALLY scary that one moment was
>Memetic Mutation
>Some shit said by some literal who youtube which nobody outside that youtubers tiny following ever use.
Remember, everything links back to Child of the Storm
Don't you mean Discworld?
I remember once, the Broken Base page for Sonic once read something along the lines of “the only things every Sonic fan likes are the character of Sonic and Batman: The Animated Series” Says who?
Every ymmv page has shit like that. Some troper claims that the vast majority of the fandom does something, but then you go looking and there's absolutely no evidence of it. Like according to Tvtropes that terrible Avengers game is actually very well received, aside from a small vocal minority.
>Friendly Fandoms
>Its two completely unrelated franchises that happen to share a voice actor.
>Actor Allusion
>This actor did this character and this character from another franchise, which means their casting was an in-joke somehow
It does happen. iirc Collin Firth played Mr Darcy in Bridget Jones because he'd played Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice. And Karl Urban did a Doom shoutout in Thor Ragnarok.
>friendly fandoms
>rival fandoms
I DON'T GIVE A FRICK HOW FANDOMS INTERACT
FRICK THE OSCARS!
FRICK THE OSCARS!
Tvtropes page for the ganbare goemon series had fricking samurai pozza cats comparisons everywhere for some time. Saying goemon was a rip off even though goemon was much older. Some of those posters are moronic. I usually use it as a means to see what other fans of a series think. Pick a property i know and see how others break it down.
their fanfic rec pages are garbage
MoM is superhero "horror" apparently.