with a window and wall in the same location and the girl positioned in the same spot, yes. You realize there is about a million ways they could have set up that particular set and thousands of ways to position the camera and put the actor? Yet they chose that precise shot.
i dunno man seems like a bit of a reach, the window is also much further from the bed in the one on the right, also a table between the bed and window, left its directly next to the bed.
it's still shot the same way to look very close. Please consider it could be a shot from above, from all sorts of angles, anywhere. But it pretty closely matches.
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window in girls bedroom ear bed is literally any girls bedroom in film
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i dunno man seems like a bit of a reach, the window is also much further from the bed in the one on the right, also a table between the bed and window, left its directly next to the bed.
Holy shit, why is your brain not functioning?
Look at this picture again:
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This is literally a recreation of a film scene featuring Judy (Garland).
I'm not saying Lynch invented girls on bed or that Wizard of Oz did. I'm saying those two shots are FILMED the same way. Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera and the ACTRESS. The way he BUILT the SET. They closely mirror. Stop droning on about girls on beds. There is about a million ways you can film a girl sitting on a bed. He chose to closely mirror that particular one, where a famous actress named Judy is closely mirrored by a character later possessed by Judy. It's one of many allusions. Wizard of Oz also deals with dreams, just like Twin Peaks. Fuck off with your random ass excuse to post random girls on beds.
2 months ago
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Nah, you're reaching. You lost, /tpg/ lost.
2 months ago
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>it's still shot the same way
Please educate yourself on image composition, mis-en-scene and cinematography before you post again on this board. You're spoting complete bullshit that reveals nothing but your utter ignorance.
>with a window and wall in the same location
No they're not. The wall in Oz is much further in the background from the bed, while in TP the bed is right next to the wall.
but the perspective, position and lense, make it appear close enough in the shot to make no difference in the composition. the real world distances make no difference to how it looks in the frame
i dunno man seems like a bit of a reach, the window is also much further from the bed in the one on the right, also a table between the bed and window, left its directly next to the bed.
window in girls bedroom ear bed is literally any girls bedroom in film
Lynch is a fan of the Wizard of Oz, and it's a very obvious reference to it, as are a ton of things in Twin Peaks. End of discussion.
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Holy shit, why is your brain not functioning?
Look at this picture again: [...]
I'm not saying Lynch invented girls on bed or that Wizard of Oz did. I'm saying those two shots are FILMED the same way. Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera and the ACTRESS. The way he BUILT the SET. They closely mirror. Stop droning on about girls on beds. There is about a million ways you can film a girl sitting on a bed. He chose to closely mirror that particular one, where a famous actress named Judy is closely mirrored by a character later possessed by Judy. It's one of many allusions. Wizard of Oz also deals with dreams, just like Twin Peaks. Fuck off with your random ass excuse to post random girls on beds.
>Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera
following the 2/3rds roll facing the actress ya, very intentional mirroring of the wizard of oz >Wizard of Oz also deals with dreams, just like Twin Peaks.
twin peaks covers many subjects and is largely left up to the interpretation of the viewer
>Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera
in a set he constructed, with a bed he placed in a specific spot, with an actress he chose and placed on that bed to sit in a specific way, with a window placed in a specific spot
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as did every movie to ever exist, the window is placed differently in the wizard of oz shot as well, it is as closely placed in twin peaks as it is in any of the other scenes presented, your processing of depth perception is broken
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The scene is constructed in a way as to remind people of the Wizard of Oz. I never said the measurements of distances between objects are identical. But the way it's framed, shot, set up, etc
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they arent set up the same at all unless your depth perception is broken, they are sitting differently, the window is placed much differently, the room has different items and objects, the only thing they share is black and white, girl, follows 3rds
It's not up for interpretation that dreams are a subject in Twin Peaks. Phillip Jeffries literally teleports to the FBI to tell them they live inside a dream. Then, later DAVID LYNCH HIMSELF as a character in the show talks about a DREAM he had in which he saw Cooper but that he couldn't see his face and within that dream, he remembers the previous scene in which Phillip Jeffries talked about dreams, and in addition to that he remembers the time Cooper told him about a dream he had. All of this within this one dream DAVID LYNCH's character had in this show. Then during the happy reunion in Part 17 of The Return, Cooper himself is superimposed over the entire scene for an extended period of time, eventually declaring "We live inside a dream," mirroring Jeffries' words from 1989 and Lynch's characters' dream.
So yes, Wizard of Oz AND Twin Peaks deal with dreams. In what capacity is up for interpretation, but not whether or not dreams are a factor at all - we know they are.
When Cooper describes Laura to Albert, Albert tells him that he just described half of the girls in America. The second woman Cooper encounters in the Mauve room is played by the same actress who played Ronette, but is credited as "American Girl." She tells him," My mother is coming," likely referring to Judy. She resembles Ronette because she's the person in the show who most closely mirrors Laura's condition, becoming an effective symbol for the generalized suffering of these girls.
>"The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within."
When you only see the white of someone's eyes, the pupil is within - they are blind and cannot see what happens right in front of them. The horse shows up when Sarah is blind to Laura and Maddy's killings cause Leland drugged her. It shows up when Coop fails his mission (when the red room curtains rise for the first time) and when he is in Judy's world, cause he has entirely forgotten the Fireman's clues (he can't remember Richard and Linda in the motel), what Laura whispered to him, and even what year it is.
okay but Sarah Palmer doesn't do heroin and she saw the white horse twice. Cooper also doesn't do heroin, yet the horse appears to him in the Return in the waiting room when the curtains rise
Your taking it too literally. Heroin is a derivative of morphine, named for Morpheus, the god of dreams because it puts you to sleep and gives you fantastic dreams.
they spell it out in the looping chant though "the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" and the bug crawls into the girl's mouth. Later in life, that girl (as per The Final Dossier) marries Leland Palmer who is possessed by Bob and witnesses him murdering Laura and Maddy
2 months ago
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So Mrs. Palmer got a heroin addiction when she was younger and that's why she enabled Leland's abuse?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus christ, why are you people making so much shit up?
2 months ago
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You literally just implied that. > "the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" and the bug crawls into the girl's mouth
Sounds like heroin addiction to me. That's obviously what the horse represents and that's why The Return makes out Laura mother as a monster who enabled Leland's abuse. Heroin makes one passive to others crimes along with your general surroundings. Also Sarah is shown to be a miserable alcoholic 25 years later and that monster in her face represents heroin eating her up alive
2 months ago
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Just stop posting
2 months ago
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Why? It makes sense.
2 months ago
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Laura has beautiful eyes. I kinda get why everyone wanted her
2 months ago
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She’s knock out gorgeous in FWWM and even beautiful as Mattie
2 months ago
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Laura has beautiful eyes. I kinda get why everyone wanted her
She’s knock out gorgeous in FWWM and even beautiful as Mattie
Enjoy.
2 months ago
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What was she looking at?
2 months ago
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ceiling fan
2 months ago
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You're thinking WAY too literally about it. Twin Peaks is best understood and appreciated in an intuitive way. Lynch has said this a million times already. Now GET REAL.
2 months ago
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Nah, I'm thinking about it the right amount. You're taking way too deep. It's supposed to be an emotional story about anger and resentment towards a system that has turn its back on a sweet small american town through the use of corruption (hence why the FBI are so nosey and everything goes to shit when they get involved in a process that nature It's self should solve)
2 months ago
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it's the story about a little girl that lived down the lane
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No. You got it all wrong. The horse represents heroin addiction and the complacency that it places an individual through (why Sarah allowed Leland to rape their daughter repeatedly) all of this comes down to drug abuse and being lost into despair of trauma
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The problem is that the show's loaded with Mark Frost loreshit that misdirects audience very forcefully away from experiencing it in an intuitive way, a problem that's noticeably absent in Lost Highway/Mulholland Drive/Inland Empire
It's very hard to experience it intuitively when they're shoving secret maps and caves and cat-and-mouse chess game antics in your face
2 months ago
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FWWM was made without Mark Frost's involvement, so anything in that is pure Lynch
I hope you watched Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces? TMP is a companion film to FWWM that runs for 90 minutes and fills in various moments of various characters. It's worth it in particular for the unaltered extended scenes with Phillip Jeffries, the convenience store, as well as the scene between Laura and Donna's father.
It's okay. If you watched FWWM, you can always catch up on The Missing Pieces at any other point in time. It doesn't really make sense on its own, but as an extension to FWWM and The Return, it's nice to have. Particular the Phillip Jeffries scene is crucial to the entire series and The Return, as it foreshadows various moments and sets up a pattern, linking Major Briggs, Jeffries, Chet Desmond and of course Cooper.
No one is pretending, homosexual. Just because you’re a smooth brain who only thinks surface level doesn’t mean everyone else is a drooling mongoloid too
>Laura meets a Mrs. CHALFONT who hands her a painting of a door >Laura puts it on her wall and enters the lodge in her dream >Laura is then visited by a future version of Annie in her bed >Chet Desmond disappears after finding the owl/jowday ring under a trailer belonging to a CHALFONT family >not just Desmond disappeared but the whole trailer did >Donna meets a Mrs. TREMOND (same actress as Mrs CHALFONT) and her grandson (played by DAVID LYNCH'S son) who is a magician who teleports creamed corn (garmonbozia) >Mrs. TREMOND sends Donna to Harold Smith >later after Harold Smith's death, Donna returns but now a different Mrs. TREMOND lives in the house, who does not have a mother, grandmother, son or grandson and does not remember ever meeting Donna before >The Fireman tells Cooper to remember Richard and Linda >Cooper appears in the NY glass box, then gets ejected into space >Sam and Tracey have sex in front of the glass box >the Experiment Model entity appears and kills them
18 episodes later >Cooper and Diane have sex in a motel room after "crossing over" >Cooper wakes up as Richard and finds a letter left by Linda (Diane) >he doesn't recognize the names Richard and Linda >the motel looks entirely different than when he arrived >his car looks different >he finds Carrie Page who he believes his Laura Palmer >brings her to the Palmer house >Alice TREMOND opens the door >she says the house was previously owned by CHALFONTS >"What year is this?" >Carrie screams
>Sam and Tracey have sex in front of the glass box >the Experiment Model entity appears and kills them
18 episodes later >Cooper and Diane have sex in a motel room after "crossing over"
Also worth mentioning the connection between these and Laura hanging the painting up in the room where she is raped
the painting Laura is given by Mrs Chalfont also looks identical to the Dutchman's aka the room above the convenience store that both Mr C and Cooper visit in The Return
Ever had that eerie feeling that something's just... off? Like when you walk into a room and forget why, or when déjà vu hits so hard you're convinced you've lived that moment before? That's the essence of the rabbit hole of Twin Peaks, that's been messing with our minds for decades. And no, I'm not just talking about Judy. The idea that we might be living in a dream isn't new. Reality is a broad concept, and for centuries, we've tried to define what's real and what's not.
The term "Lynchian" has become a cultural symbol for questioning our perceived reality. Movies, books, and even Leo DiCaprio has suggested that we might be living in a dream. But, of course, there are skeptics who argue against this idea.
So, what truly matters? Whether we're in a dream or not, the questions it raises are essential. They force us to examine our lives, our choices, and our very existence. And perhaps, just perhaps, this quest for understanding is what truly counts.
That Monica Bellucci scene is the key to all of this. Gordon Cole said Cooper was in his dream, but he couldn't see his face. Then within that dream, he remembers that one time that Cooper told him about a dream he had.
It's just different layers of a dream. Dreams within a dream if you will, every character has its own. At the end of Part 17 Coop transcended his own dream and became more conscious of the bigger, ultimate Dream.
when he finds the letter left by Linda (Diane) calling him Richard, he is confused. He's forgotten the Fireman's clues. He also cannot recall what Laura whispered to him in the waiting (red) room
I think Cooper made a horrible mistake introducing himself as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" in Judy's Diner and then again to Alice Tremond. Maybe if he had remembered to adopt the name Richard at Judy's Diner, she would not have been tipped off, and Sarah Palmer would have opened the door at the end
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I’m not certain if Coop was consciously making a decision in the final act, he doesn’t act like Coop until the very last line, so it’s just another dream in a way
It's interesting to think, this was probably also Chet Desmond (after his disappearance) and Dale Cooper's fates (after the Return). Just wiped out of existence, randomly popping up in different timelines and locations. Jeffries was zapped from Buenos Aires 1987 straight to Philadelphia 1988 (or 1989 if you go Missing Pieces/Return canon)
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wait, why does The Return follow Missing Pieces canon and not FWWM?
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In FWWM Jeffries shows up in 1988, then it says "One Year Later" and we see Laura's story unfold. In The Missing Pieces, Jeffries shows up in 1989, looks at Cole's calendar and vanishes back to 1987.
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David Bowie killed this cameo
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no, David Bowie died before this cameo, it's just a voice actor (unless you mean the FWWM/TMP scene)
>has no idea where Washington state is
I wish I could trust your opinion man
kek
2 months ago
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Well Jeffries eventually became some sort of powerful lodge entity. Much better than being completely non-existence'd, I guess.
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No Jeffrey is a representation of one's ego and desire to lie to one's self to get out of a bad situation that said person has dug themselves into
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What? Why?
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Do I really have to explain why what you said is over-analyzing? It's TwinPerfect-tier
2 months ago
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Please do. I'm dead serious.
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In FWWM Jeffries shows up in 1988, then it says "One Year Later" and we see Laura's story unfold. In The Missing Pieces, Jeffries shows up in 1989, looks at Cole's calendar and vanishes back to 1987.
>various other bells like Jeffries' visible at the Fireman's palace
Does each represent an entity or a function?
2 months ago
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Pretty sure they are human souls. He's using them to obtain energy.
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No, he's using them to fuel his own egotistical drive to further his own self destructive drug addiction
2 months ago
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>everything is drugs
STOP
2 months ago
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That's literally the moral of the story. All of this could have been avoided if Sarah never touch heroin when she was younger. She would have never allowed a molested Leland into her home and abuse her child. She also blames herself for Laura's death. If she took Laura's death as a message from beyond to stop using heroin then Maddy wouldn't have ever been killed (because she got high during her death and post rationalized it as Leland "drugging her") Jeffries was also into drugs that's why he disappeared in 89. Drugs is one of the major themes of Twin Peaks. It's an evil corruptible source that turns good men into bad. That's why the FBI are protrayed as
esoteric morally righteous good guys (because FBI is 100% drug intolerant, obviously)
2 months ago
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not gonna read any more posts including the words heroin or drugs. Fuck off. didn't read your post past the word "heroin" Have fun talking to yourself.
2 months ago
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I accept your concession. I'm 100% right on this but you are too ignorant to even disprove my theory (not like you even could if you tried)
2 months ago
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we know the Fireman created Laura's soul, but then Bob/Leland killed her, so the Fireman's plan failed? Is that why Cooper tries to restore Laura back to life by time traveling via Jeffries' powers? But then when Laura is alive as Carrie, Bob is already destroyed.... Is Laura capable of defeating Jowday?
2 months ago
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>we know the Fireman created Laura's soul
Pretty sure that is Carrie Page. If you follow the direction of the orb when it goes into Earth it moves towards the southwest (Texas), not the northeast (Washington).
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no come on, the gold orb shows Laura's school photograph. Carrie Page only exists because Cooper went back in time to 1989 and tried to save Laura. He did in a way, but then Judy made her vanish. And that's the timeline Coop is in in Part 18. Laura = Carrie. That's why Carrie reacts so strongly to hearing Sarah call out "laauuuurraaa" in those final moments
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>no come on, the gold orb shows Laura's school photograph
So? Carrie Page is basically Laura's tulpa. >then Judy made her vanish.
Nope, they were right next the White Lodge portal. The Fireman took her, not Judy.
2 months ago
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If Carrie is Laura's tulpa, then the Fireman did not create Carrie in that moment. We've seen how tulpas are made (the final Dougie for the happy ending).
To enter the lodge, they would have had to go INTO the portal, laura vanished BEFORE they got there.
the scene goes like this: >Cooper leads Laura by hand >cut to present day Sarah Palmer trying to demolish Laura's photo >cut back to 1989, Laura now vanishes out of Coop's hand just before reaching the portal
2 months ago
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It's amazing how people always ignore that Coop's 1989 rescue of Laura is interrupted by Sarah smashing her iconic prom picture. As if that's not the most significant scene interruption in the whole season.
2 months ago
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The tulpa was carrie's heroin addiction. Why won't you people listen? You guys are stupid as fuck
2 months ago
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It's amazing how people always ignore that Coop's 1989 rescue of Laura is interrupted by Sarah smashing her iconic prom picture. As if that's not the most significant scene interruption in the whole season.
What's the significance of Sarah's inability to damage the photograph? That Judy is actually powerless against laura?
Also, what's with the frequently occurring reverse effect that happens in that scene, the convenience store in 1945, and when Cooper is in the Mauve room and the box?
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That's not all. There is a strange glitch effect when Mr C shoots Bill Hastings' wife early in the season. Also, rewatch the scene when Sarah Palmer watches the boxing match on the TV. The same knock-out repeats on a loop repeatedly. And Sarah herself seems to loop as well, leaving the room twice in the same way.
2 months ago
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Thinking about it some more, the effect could imply being caught between the two worlds. Sarah's scene watching the boxing match occurs immediately after the experiment breaches the box, so the looping could indicate Judy entering her. All other instances in the Return seem to also occur when a character is on or near such a threshold.
It's a reach, but when Bob is about to leave Leland, he is pacing back and forth in his cell
2 months ago
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no, after breaching the glass box, she watches animals attacking one another. The boxing scene is later in the season. Still might indicate Judy being in here though
2 months ago
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Damn that's right. Im not sure what to make of that scene, then, beyond it following the experiment's appearance
2 months ago
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>Sarah's inability to damage the photograph? That Judy is actually powerless against laura?
Maybe so. If that's the case, maybe that's why Judy makes Laura disappear instead and hides her in the new reality/timeline in Odessa?
2 months ago
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>Odessa, meaning: wrathful; one who receives pain. Odessa is a feminine place-name whispering of mythos and fantasy realms.
2 months ago
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That scene was originally in another place. Laura vanishing was related to the 13th sycamore originally.
Sarah being unable to destroy the photo is because the house is trapped in a loop. There are other time loops in the house. Such as a the boxing match playing on a loop, *crack* plays again. Sarah fumbling in the kitchen for alcohol can be heard in episode 12 ect. Sounds get replayed. The photo can't be destroyed because time just repeats itself.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It can't be destroyed because it represents that no matter how hard Sarah's drug addiction (the bug monster inside her) tries to tear the people she loves apart, it will never truly be able to drive her love ones away.
2 months ago
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>has no idea where Washington state is
I wish I could trust your opinion man
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm retarded lol. Obviously meant southeast and northwest.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Washington state = where drugs are legal
Seriously David has the clues right in front of you but you guys keep looking for esoteric nonsense when really this is a story about drug abuse and incest
2 months ago
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>Is Laura capable of defeating Jowday?
Yes, that's apparently what happened at the end of the show. It's not a good ending though, because Cooper/Richard and Laura/Carrie are either gone or trapped in another reality or back in the Black Lodge.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Jody foster calling out to Laura
Does not imply Judy was defeated. The only entity defeated was BOB and Mr C, and imo the show implies Judy wanted them out of the way to begin with
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Does not imply Judy was defeated.
Judy is basically "negative energy" and she basically took over the Palmer's house. When Laura/Carrie screams the lights go out. She's gone.
If you think that the show ended with Coop and Carrie defeating the source of all evil.... you're as delusional as Coop. Coop forgot some important things and was completely out of ideas at the end. We'd never seen him like that before. That's significant.
I don't "think". That's literally what happened. The Fireman is not "good" entity. He used Cooper like a pawn to fulfill his own goals.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The negative energy represents heroin, retard
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm going to filter that word.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Pussy
2 months ago
Anonymous
The lights go out and then it cuts to black while somber music plays, Laura didn’t defeat squat
2 months ago
Anonymous
>while somber music plays
Because it's not a good ending, tard.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Well of course, you wouldn't expect heroin to lead to a good outcome
2 months ago
Anonymous
Here. Now go jack off.
2 months ago
Anonymous
See. Proof that drug addiction is at the fore front of Twin Peaks inner message
2 months ago
Anonymous
The is deep symbolism. The fireman got laura hooked on coke. Judgy got Sarah addicted to heroin
2 months ago
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confirmed all the characters are made of drugs
2 months ago
Anonymous
…a good ending would have Judy defeated, its a clearly suspenseful cliff hanger because Judy is not dead. I’ve encountered you before and I have no idea how anyone could listen to that ending theme and think the big bad guy/girl was defeated
2 months ago
Anonymous
The lights going out symbolizes the H taking her over. The memories just vaporize from his head from using too much
2 months ago
Anonymous
>That's literally what happened.
It, literally, is not. We never see this. It's an open ending you moron. We literally see none of what you said.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>We never see this
We literally "see" every thing I mentioned. Otherwise I wouldn't say so.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What you said is your interpretation. And I would enjoy your interpretation. But since you state it as fact, I discard it as nonsense. You're pointlessly making yourself look retarded by claiming your theory is fact
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you think that the show ended with Coop and Carrie defeating the source of all evil.... you're as delusional as Coop. Coop forgot some important things and was completely out of ideas at the end. We'd never seen him like that before. That's significant.
2 months ago
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He forgot because he was too abusing heroin because evil coop was a huge drug kingpin and was a representation of Cooper's darker side (drug abuse). Once evil coop died, he had the hubris to believe that he was free of his addiction, but of course addiction is like a weed, it gets you when you aren't looking. That's why he was subconsciously abusing heroin and his addiction was coming back. Same with Carrie, she remembered what drugs did to her family and the memories of trauma came flooding back
So the diner at the end represents dreams? And the bug that crawled into Sarah's mouth was drug addiction? The green glove fist must also be a reference to how old 1950s western movies end, with everyone showing up to save the day?
Captain Gardening Glove is obviously a commentary on capeshit, which was at its zenith around the time this was made. Remember, twin peaks is about Television.
This is what we see and hear immediately following the ending. Just like in S1 when Coop wakes up and forgets what Laura whispered to him the next episode, this time too, he's entirely forgotten what Laura whispered. He's lost. He didn't complete the mission.
The bug can only be assumed is RELATED to Judy, but not her entirely. Sarah channels Judy the same way Mike and Bob were channeled by Philip and Zoe land respectively.
Nope. She got addicted to heroin or maybe she started off with morphine. Durg users usually start with something lighter before going to the hard stuff. The morphine is why she was asleep (represents her first time taking prescribed morphine for an injury
She had crippling debt in the first place. It mostly brought her head above water and, by judging by the extravagant dress, she’s probably going to spend it all or have it used up by her son.
Cooper literally goes back in time to try and save Laura. He brings her back to life by doing so. Then returns her to her childhood home where she endured rape from the age of 12. She screams upon hearing her real name called out.
And then it ends abruptly because it makes clear that Judy and whatever connection that entity has to Laura’s trauma is not only undefeated but arguably in control
And then it ends abruptly because it makes clear that Judy and whatever connection that entity has to Laura’s trauma is not only undefeated but arguably in control
Entities need garmonbozia. Garmonbozia is suffering, sorrow, pain etc. When Laura screams at the end, she gives Judy all the garmonbozia she'll ever need. Judy is now stronger than ever. All the childhood trauma rushing back to Laura's mind, it's a feast for Judy
Lynch doesn’t talk about his movies because he knows the magic of them is in their transient experience, which you start to lose when you’re fanatically trying to break them down in an objective manner. And because he has an abominable addiction to heroine
Laura's screechy doppelganger from the S2 finale is Judy, they reference her when Sarah (possessed by Judy or otherwise an agent of her power) opens her face in S3
everyone has a doppelganger in the lodge, Hawk tells us in S2 that you encounter your shadow self in the lodge. We see even the Arm has an evil doppelganger with milky eyes and it seems angrier than the normal one. We encounter this evil one again in S3 as "the doppelganger of the evolution of the arm" (doppelganger of the brain tree). Laura's doppelganger is not Judy anymore than Mr C or the arm
how did they do the cool effect in the black lodge? Did they speak their lines, then play it backwards, then speak the backwards line in the final cut?
The making of specials on The Return's home release show various actors speaking into a tape to record themselves. Then they learn how to say it backwards from that. The scene is acted out completely in reverse with reverse speech, and then reversed in post-production, resulting in the odd movements and speech.
I've seen a webm from that episode and that got me into twin peaks. I didn't want to miss anything so I started from the beggining. I watched s1, s2, fire walk with me. I finally started watching s3 waiting for that episode but it never came. turned out I accidentally skipped this particular episode. I still haven't watched it out of spite.
That is Laura's shadow self (Hawk's words) or more commonly called doppelganger. We've also seen doppelgangers of the Arm in the S2 finale and of Cooper, also in the S2 finale. Unless I'm mistaken, even Maddy had one?
Judy is an aspect of Laura as THE DREAMER. You could say that she's her subconscious.
She makes sure the dream never ends and obfuscates any attempt from any dream character to understand that they are part of a dream.
That is why she and her minions are at war with the Fireman and Blue Rose task force.
She created BOB to escape from the fact that her father was abusing her and raping her on a usual basis.
She also created the frogroach to escape from the fact that her mother was turning a blind eye to her abuse.
The Fireman is Laura's superego, or something like that. I don't know my Freud.
Carrie Page was Laura's tulpa. Basically Laura's ego, but lobotomized, and the potential destroyer of the dream.
That is why Judy placed her in an alternate sub-dream that has nothing to do with Twin Peaks.
Cooper taking her to the Palmer's home was an attempt to make her "remember" and thus end the dream.
The end of the show was the real Laura waking up to her mother calling her. The audio was taken from the pilot, when Sarah, who assumes Laura is still in her room, calls out to her.
All of this is more or less applicable to Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire.
By that I'm referring to Carrie's "fake" life in Odessa. You don't get any more different than Twin Peaks than that. >Coop and Carrie drive past the RR Diner and wind up at the Palmer house in Twin Peaks
Sure, but you never see the Twin Peaks sign, and everything seems "dead".
The audio is from either FWWM or The Missing Pieces
Honestly, pretty smart flashback. Should Grace Zabrieski pass away, he could always somehow bring in that girl as some sort of Sarah Palmer entity and come up with some vague lodge logic for her being young again
The real life explanation for that statue is really sweet. Lynch based it on his own father, who posed like that for a photo. Of course in the show, I think it's to recall Harry, whom Coop bonded with so closely.
it's interesting how in Picture #3 and #4 we see how the motel changes appearances. So not only did Coop and Diane "cross over" into some other dimension or timeline in Picture #2, but they also "crossed over" during their sex ritual inside the motel and became Richard and Linda. Though by then, Coop is confused by those names and doesn't remember the Fireman's warnings.
Different motel. And the car Cooper arrives in, isn't the same car he leaves the motel in. Their identities changed, as well as the location and vehicle.
>interviewer says it's a ghost story >Lynch head shaking in disbelief >"It's a ghost story for you." >"You have everything in the film, that's the thing. It doesn't matter what I say. Zip! It can only be a negative. The thing is built so you don't wanna take anything away. And you don't wanna add anything to it. It's complete. That's it."
Yes. Bob is just a metaphor for the evil that men do. That's basically like saying he was overcome with lust for his daughter's barely legal body and he couldn't control himself.
>watch The Missing Pieces >watch Fire Walk With Me >watch Season 1 Pilot >watch The Return Parts 17 & 18
Wow, that was an amazing coming-of-age story, turned tragic rape and acceptance of death horror, before giving me a well-earned happy ending where some dude travels back in time to save the protagonist, only for him to then remind her of all the past trauma she went through wtf but at the same time I guess it's such a real portrayal of what young American women go through and the truth of their suffering and the depth of their trauma, thx David Lynch
That's Sarah. I don't think the little bug thing is literally Judy, just a piece of her power.
This is literally a recreation of a film scene featuring Judy (Garland).
So what? Twin Peaks is littered with Oz references.
it's one of a multitude of references and connections linking Judy and Sarah
Sarah is A part of Judy. Like I said, Judy is many things, but deep down she's just Laura.
That could be anybody's eyeball. The screaming Laura in S2 was just Laura's dark doppelganger, same as the Arm and Cooper had dark doppelgangers.
>That could be anybody's eyeball
You're fucking blind.
I'm not talking about Laura's doppelganger, I'm talking about Laura as "The One"/Dreamer. Judy is just an aspect of her.
I didn't find any
I was talking about "Oz"
U dumb
No, you dumb for not getting my reference in the first place
Maybe
Too much overthinking, it ain't that deep.
Says the anon talking about how heroin references morpheus or some other dumb ass philosopher
That's not me, retard.
Cooper is Judy.
We know Jowday is an extreme negative force. laura disappears in 1989 because Cooper interfered. Cooper = negative force
"Do you remember the story of the little girl who lived down the lane?"
That is one humdinger of a story, partner.
goold?
girls on bed in black and white?
with a window and wall in the same location and the girl positioned in the same spot, yes. You realize there is about a million ways they could have set up that particular set and thousands of ways to position the camera and put the actor? Yet they chose that precise shot.
i dunno man seems like a bit of a reach, the window is also much further from the bed in the one on the right, also a table between the bed and window, left its directly next to the bed.
it's still shot the same way to look very close. Please consider it could be a shot from above, from all sorts of angles, anywhere. But it pretty closely matches.
window in girls bedroom ear bed is literally any girls bedroom in film
Holy shit, why is your brain not functioning?
Look at this picture again:
I'm not saying Lynch invented girls on bed or that Wizard of Oz did. I'm saying those two shots are FILMED the same way. Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera and the ACTRESS. The way he BUILT the SET. They closely mirror. Stop droning on about girls on beds. There is about a million ways you can film a girl sitting on a bed. He chose to closely mirror that particular one, where a famous actress named Judy is closely mirrored by a character later possessed by Judy. It's one of many allusions. Wizard of Oz also deals with dreams, just like Twin Peaks. Fuck off with your random ass excuse to post random girls on beds.
Nah, you're reaching. You lost, /tpg/ lost.
>it's still shot the same way
Please educate yourself on image composition, mis-en-scene and cinematography before you post again on this board. You're spoting complete bullshit that reveals nothing but your utter ignorance.
>with a window and wall in the same location
No they're not. The wall in Oz is much further in the background from the bed, while in TP the bed is right next to the wall.
but the perspective, position and lense, make it appear close enough in the shot to make no difference in the composition. the real world distances make no difference to how it looks in the frame
Lynch is a fan of the Wizard of Oz, and it's a very obvious reference to it, as are a ton of things in Twin Peaks. End of discussion.
nagger every one is a fan of the wizard of oz
>Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera
following the 2/3rds roll facing the actress ya, very intentional mirroring of the wizard of oz
>Wizard of Oz also deals with dreams, just like Twin Peaks.
twin peaks covers many subjects and is largely left up to the interpretation of the viewer
>he keeps going at it
Holy autism
>only i get to sperg like a retard
ok
Blow it up your ass
>Where he CHOSE to PLACE the camera
in a set he constructed, with a bed he placed in a specific spot, with an actress he chose and placed on that bed to sit in a specific way, with a window placed in a specific spot
as did every movie to ever exist, the window is placed differently in the wizard of oz shot as well, it is as closely placed in twin peaks as it is in any of the other scenes presented, your processing of depth perception is broken
The scene is constructed in a way as to remind people of the Wizard of Oz. I never said the measurements of distances between objects are identical. But the way it's framed, shot, set up, etc
they arent set up the same at all unless your depth perception is broken, they are sitting differently, the window is placed much differently, the room has different items and objects, the only thing they share is black and white, girl, follows 3rds
I preferred the heroin meme, you obnoxious twat
psued
It's not up for interpretation that dreams are a subject in Twin Peaks. Phillip Jeffries literally teleports to the FBI to tell them they live inside a dream. Then, later DAVID LYNCH HIMSELF as a character in the show talks about a DREAM he had in which he saw Cooper but that he couldn't see his face and within that dream, he remembers the previous scene in which Phillip Jeffries talked about dreams, and in addition to that he remembers the time Cooper told him about a dream he had. All of this within this one dream DAVID LYNCH's character had in this show. Then during the happy reunion in Part 17 of The Return, Cooper himself is superimposed over the entire scene for an extended period of time, eventually declaring "We live inside a dream," mirroring Jeffries' words from 1989 and Lynch's characters' dream.
So yes, Wizard of Oz AND Twin Peaks deal with dreams. In what capacity is up for interpretation, but not whether or not dreams are a factor at all - we know they are.
>Judy was a young girl abused by the men she trusted
>Just like Laura Palmer
When Cooper describes Laura to Albert, Albert tells him that he just described half of the girls in America. The second woman Cooper encounters in the Mauve room is played by the same actress who played Ronette, but is credited as "American Girl." She tells him," My mother is coming," likely referring to Judy. She resembles Ronette because she's the person in the show who most closely mirrors Laura's condition, becoming an effective symbol for the generalized suffering of these girls.
Maybe in the new timeline Ronette is murdered and we are seeing Ronette's red room. She only appears after Cooper flips a switch.
Sorry Naido flips the switch.
She was Sarah. Judy is many things.
>"The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within."
When you only see the white of someone's eyes, the pupil is within - they are blind and cannot see what happens right in front of them. The horse shows up when Sarah is blind to Laura and Maddy's killings cause Leland drugged her. It shows up when Coop fails his mission (when the red room curtains rise for the first time) and when he is in Judy's world, cause he has entirely forgotten the Fireman's clues (he can't remember Richard and Linda in the motel), what Laura whispered to him, and even what year it is.
Horse is also slang for heroin, and pure heroin is white in powder form.
okay but Sarah Palmer doesn't do heroin and she saw the white horse twice. Cooper also doesn't do heroin, yet the horse appears to him in the Return in the waiting room when the curtains rise
Your taking it too literally. Heroin is a derivative of morphine, named for Morpheus, the god of dreams because it puts you to sleep and gives you fantastic dreams.
they spell it out in the looping chant though "the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" and the bug crawls into the girl's mouth. Later in life, that girl (as per The Final Dossier) marries Leland Palmer who is possessed by Bob and witnesses him murdering Laura and Maddy
So Mrs. Palmer got a heroin addiction when she was younger and that's why she enabled Leland's abuse?
Jesus christ, why are you people making so much shit up?
You literally just implied that.
> "the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" and the bug crawls into the girl's mouth
Sounds like heroin addiction to me. That's obviously what the horse represents and that's why The Return makes out Laura mother as a monster who enabled Leland's abuse. Heroin makes one passive to others crimes along with your general surroundings. Also Sarah is shown to be a miserable alcoholic 25 years later and that monster in her face represents heroin eating her up alive
Just stop posting
Why? It makes sense.
Laura has beautiful eyes. I kinda get why everyone wanted her
She’s knock out gorgeous in FWWM and even beautiful as Mattie
Enjoy.
What was she looking at?
ceiling fan
You're thinking WAY too literally about it. Twin Peaks is best understood and appreciated in an intuitive way. Lynch has said this a million times already. Now GET REAL.
Nah, I'm thinking about it the right amount. You're taking way too deep. It's supposed to be an emotional story about anger and resentment towards a system that has turn its back on a sweet small american town through the use of corruption (hence why the FBI are so nosey and everything goes to shit when they get involved in a process that nature It's self should solve)
it's the story about a little girl that lived down the lane
No. You got it all wrong. The horse represents heroin addiction and the complacency that it places an individual through (why Sarah allowed Leland to rape their daughter repeatedly) all of this comes down to drug abuse and being lost into despair of trauma
The problem is that the show's loaded with Mark Frost loreshit that misdirects audience very forcefully away from experiencing it in an intuitive way, a problem that's noticeably absent in Lost Highway/Mulholland Drive/Inland Empire
It's very hard to experience it intuitively when they're shoving secret maps and caves and cat-and-mouse chess game antics in your face
FWWM was made without Mark Frost's involvement, so anything in that is pure Lynch
Also, since we're doing the Wizard of Oz connections here, Dorothy falls asleep in a field of poppies, from which all opiates are made.
>just started watching this after years of getting filtered in s2
Suspicious activity on the chan
You are far away.
I hope you watched Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces? TMP is a companion film to FWWM that runs for 90 minutes and fills in various moments of various characters. It's worth it in particular for the unaltered extended scenes with Phillip Jeffries, the convenience store, as well as the scene between Laura and Donna's father.
I just watched FWWM (didn't know about TMP)
It's okay. If you watched FWWM, you can always catch up on The Missing Pieces at any other point in time. It doesn't really make sense on its own, but as an extension to FWWM and The Return, it's nice to have. Particular the Phillip Jeffries scene is crucial to the entire series and The Return, as it foreshadows various moments and sets up a pattern, linking Major Briggs, Jeffries, Chet Desmond and of course Cooper.
Guess I'll binge that before I continue further thanks
I thought the convenience store scene being cut from FWWM was inexplicable. maybe lynch cut it because it actually shed light on lore
>didn't watch FWWM and The Missing Pieces before
You're dumb as shit.
Madeleine Ferguson
Judy Barton
Why does anyone pretend to give a fuck about Twin Peaks story apart from Palmer family and the fact there's some kind of Black Lodge in the woods?
No one is pretending, homosexual. Just because you’re a smooth brain who only thinks surface level doesn’t mean everyone else is a drooling mongoloid too
Lynch overestimated his audience. As it turns out, nobody actually saw Vertigo.
Lost Highway made a lot more sense after watching that movie
>Laura meets a Mrs. CHALFONT who hands her a painting of a door
>Laura puts it on her wall and enters the lodge in her dream
>Laura is then visited by a future version of Annie in her bed
>Chet Desmond disappears after finding the owl/jowday ring under a trailer belonging to a CHALFONT family
>not just Desmond disappeared but the whole trailer did
>Donna meets a Mrs. TREMOND (same actress as Mrs CHALFONT) and her grandson (played by DAVID LYNCH'S son) who is a magician who teleports creamed corn (garmonbozia)
>Mrs. TREMOND sends Donna to Harold Smith
>later after Harold Smith's death, Donna returns but now a different Mrs. TREMOND lives in the house, who does not have a mother, grandmother, son or grandson and does not remember ever meeting Donna before
>The Fireman tells Cooper to remember Richard and Linda
>Cooper appears in the NY glass box, then gets ejected into space
>Sam and Tracey have sex in front of the glass box
>the Experiment Model entity appears and kills them
18 episodes later
>Cooper and Diane have sex in a motel room after "crossing over"
>Cooper wakes up as Richard and finds a letter left by Linda (Diane)
>he doesn't recognize the names Richard and Linda
>the motel looks entirely different than when he arrived
>his car looks different
>he finds Carrie Page who he believes his Laura Palmer
>brings her to the Palmer house
>Alice TREMOND opens the door
>she says the house was previously owned by CHALFONTS
>"What year is this?"
>Carrie screams
Tremond's grandson is played by Lynch's son Matt
The kid in The Grandmother is named Matt
Austin Jack lynch played Tremond's grandson, not Matt
Ever seen the movie The King and I?
Guy with the automatic shotgun looks like a nice feller.
The Tremond/Chalfonts are illusionists who are put in place when lodge entities need shelter
>Sam and Tracey have sex in front of the glass box
>the Experiment Model entity appears and kills them
18 episodes later
>Cooper and Diane have sex in a motel room after "crossing over"
Also worth mentioning the connection between these and Laura hanging the painting up in the room where she is raped
the painting Laura is given by Mrs Chalfont also looks identical to the Dutchman's aka the room above the convenience store that both Mr C and Cooper visit in The Return
in english, doc
Ever had that eerie feeling that something's just... off? Like when you walk into a room and forget why, or when déjà vu hits so hard you're convinced you've lived that moment before? That's the essence of the rabbit hole of Twin Peaks, that's been messing with our minds for decades. And no, I'm not just talking about Judy. The idea that we might be living in a dream isn't new. Reality is a broad concept, and for centuries, we've tried to define what's real and what's not.
The term "Lynchian" has become a cultural symbol for questioning our perceived reality. Movies, books, and even Leo DiCaprio has suggested that we might be living in a dream. But, of course, there are skeptics who argue against this idea.
So, what truly matters? Whether we're in a dream or not, the questions it raises are essential. They force us to examine our lives, our choices, and our very existence. And perhaps, just perhaps, this quest for understanding is what truly counts.
That Monica Bellucci scene is the key to all of this. Gordon Cole said Cooper was in his dream, but he couldn't see his face. Then within that dream, he remembers that one time that Cooper told him about a dream he had.
But who is the dream?
It's just different layers of a dream. Dreams within a dream if you will, every character has its own. At the end of Part 17 Coop transcended his own dream and became more conscious of the bigger, ultimate Dream.
then in Part 18 he forgets everything and can only remember "Bring Laura to Sarah"
>he forgets everything
Not really, it's just that Judy's dimension is a bit garbled.
>"Bring Laura to Sarah"
That was the plan all along.
when he finds the letter left by Linda (Diane) calling him Richard, he is confused. He's forgotten the Fireman's clues. He also cannot recall what Laura whispered to him in the waiting (red) room
I think Cooper made a horrible mistake introducing himself as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" in Judy's Diner and then again to Alice Tremond. Maybe if he had remembered to adopt the name Richard at Judy's Diner, she would not have been tipped off, and Sarah Palmer would have opened the door at the end
I’m not certain if Coop was consciously making a decision in the final act, he doesn’t act like Coop until the very last line, so it’s just another dream in a way
I want to take off her socks and smell her feet
You would, wouldn't you?
honestly no idea, i don't know what the fuck happens in this show, i just enjoy the vibe
through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see, one chants out between two worlds, fire walk with me
WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS THERE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>MR JEFFRIES, THE SHIT IT COME OUT OF MY ASS!!!
AAAUUUGH...?
It's interesting to think, this was probably also Chet Desmond (after his disappearance) and Dale Cooper's fates (after the Return). Just wiped out of existence, randomly popping up in different timelines and locations. Jeffries was zapped from Buenos Aires 1987 straight to Philadelphia 1988 (or 1989 if you go Missing Pieces/Return canon)
wait, why does The Return follow Missing Pieces canon and not FWWM?
In FWWM Jeffries shows up in 1988, then it says "One Year Later" and we see Laura's story unfold. In The Missing Pieces, Jeffries shows up in 1989, looks at Cole's calendar and vanishes back to 1987.
David Bowie killed this cameo
no, David Bowie died before this cameo, it's just a voice actor (unless you mean the FWWM/TMP scene)
kek
Well Jeffries eventually became some sort of powerful lodge entity. Much better than being completely non-existence'd, I guess.
No Jeffrey is a representation of one's ego and desire to lie to one's self to get out of a bad situation that said person has dug themselves into
What? Why?
Do I really have to explain why what you said is over-analyzing? It's TwinPerfect-tier
Please do. I'm dead serious.
>various other bells like Jeffries' visible at the Fireman's palace
Does each represent an entity or a function?
Pretty sure they are human souls. He's using them to obtain energy.
No, he's using them to fuel his own egotistical drive to further his own self destructive drug addiction
>everything is drugs
STOP
That's literally the moral of the story. All of this could have been avoided if Sarah never touch heroin when she was younger. She would have never allowed a molested Leland into her home and abuse her child. She also blames herself for Laura's death. If she took Laura's death as a message from beyond to stop using heroin then Maddy wouldn't have ever been killed (because she got high during her death and post rationalized it as Leland "drugging her") Jeffries was also into drugs that's why he disappeared in 89. Drugs is one of the major themes of Twin Peaks. It's an evil corruptible source that turns good men into bad. That's why the FBI are protrayed as
esoteric morally righteous good guys (because FBI is 100% drug intolerant, obviously)
not gonna read any more posts including the words heroin or drugs. Fuck off. didn't read your post past the word "heroin" Have fun talking to yourself.
I accept your concession. I'm 100% right on this but you are too ignorant to even disprove my theory (not like you even could if you tried)
we know the Fireman created Laura's soul, but then Bob/Leland killed her, so the Fireman's plan failed? Is that why Cooper tries to restore Laura back to life by time traveling via Jeffries' powers? But then when Laura is alive as Carrie, Bob is already destroyed.... Is Laura capable of defeating Jowday?
>we know the Fireman created Laura's soul
Pretty sure that is Carrie Page. If you follow the direction of the orb when it goes into Earth it moves towards the southwest (Texas), not the northeast (Washington).
no come on, the gold orb shows Laura's school photograph. Carrie Page only exists because Cooper went back in time to 1989 and tried to save Laura. He did in a way, but then Judy made her vanish. And that's the timeline Coop is in in Part 18. Laura = Carrie. That's why Carrie reacts so strongly to hearing Sarah call out "laauuuurraaa" in those final moments
>no come on, the gold orb shows Laura's school photograph
So? Carrie Page is basically Laura's tulpa.
>then Judy made her vanish.
Nope, they were right next the White Lodge portal. The Fireman took her, not Judy.
If Carrie is Laura's tulpa, then the Fireman did not create Carrie in that moment. We've seen how tulpas are made (the final Dougie for the happy ending).
To enter the lodge, they would have had to go INTO the portal, laura vanished BEFORE they got there.
the scene goes like this:
>Cooper leads Laura by hand
>cut to present day Sarah Palmer trying to demolish Laura's photo
>cut back to 1989, Laura now vanishes out of Coop's hand just before reaching the portal
It's amazing how people always ignore that Coop's 1989 rescue of Laura is interrupted by Sarah smashing her iconic prom picture. As if that's not the most significant scene interruption in the whole season.
The tulpa was carrie's heroin addiction. Why won't you people listen? You guys are stupid as fuck
What's the significance of Sarah's inability to damage the photograph? That Judy is actually powerless against laura?
Also, what's with the frequently occurring reverse effect that happens in that scene, the convenience store in 1945, and when Cooper is in the Mauve room and the box?
That's not all. There is a strange glitch effect when Mr C shoots Bill Hastings' wife early in the season. Also, rewatch the scene when Sarah Palmer watches the boxing match on the TV. The same knock-out repeats on a loop repeatedly. And Sarah herself seems to loop as well, leaving the room twice in the same way.
Thinking about it some more, the effect could imply being caught between the two worlds. Sarah's scene watching the boxing match occurs immediately after the experiment breaches the box, so the looping could indicate Judy entering her. All other instances in the Return seem to also occur when a character is on or near such a threshold.
It's a reach, but when Bob is about to leave Leland, he is pacing back and forth in his cell
no, after breaching the glass box, she watches animals attacking one another. The boxing scene is later in the season. Still might indicate Judy being in here though
Damn that's right. Im not sure what to make of that scene, then, beyond it following the experiment's appearance
>Sarah's inability to damage the photograph? That Judy is actually powerless against laura?
Maybe so. If that's the case, maybe that's why Judy makes Laura disappear instead and hides her in the new reality/timeline in Odessa?
>Odessa, meaning: wrathful; one who receives pain. Odessa is a feminine place-name whispering of mythos and fantasy realms.
That scene was originally in another place. Laura vanishing was related to the 13th sycamore originally.
Sarah being unable to destroy the photo is because the house is trapped in a loop. There are other time loops in the house. Such as a the boxing match playing on a loop, *crack* plays again. Sarah fumbling in the kitchen for alcohol can be heard in episode 12 ect. Sounds get replayed. The photo can't be destroyed because time just repeats itself.
It can't be destroyed because it represents that no matter how hard Sarah's drug addiction (the bug monster inside her) tries to tear the people she loves apart, it will never truly be able to drive her love ones away.
>has no idea where Washington state is
I wish I could trust your opinion man
I'm retarded lol. Obviously meant southeast and northwest.
>Washington state = where drugs are legal
Seriously David has the clues right in front of you but you guys keep looking for esoteric nonsense when really this is a story about drug abuse and incest
>Is Laura capable of defeating Jowday?
Yes, that's apparently what happened at the end of the show. It's not a good ending though, because Cooper/Richard and Laura/Carrie are either gone or trapped in another reality or back in the Black Lodge.
>Jody foster calling out to Laura
Does not imply Judy was defeated. The only entity defeated was BOB and Mr C, and imo the show implies Judy wanted them out of the way to begin with
>Does not imply Judy was defeated.
Judy is basically "negative energy" and she basically took over the Palmer's house. When Laura/Carrie screams the lights go out. She's gone.
I don't "think". That's literally what happened. The Fireman is not "good" entity. He used Cooper like a pawn to fulfill his own goals.
The negative energy represents heroin, retard
I'm going to filter that word.
Pussy
The lights go out and then it cuts to black while somber music plays, Laura didn’t defeat squat
>while somber music plays
Because it's not a good ending, tard.
Well of course, you wouldn't expect heroin to lead to a good outcome
Here. Now go jack off.
See. Proof that drug addiction is at the fore front of Twin Peaks inner message
The is deep symbolism. The fireman got laura hooked on coke. Judgy got Sarah addicted to heroin
confirmed all the characters are made of drugs
…a good ending would have Judy defeated, its a clearly suspenseful cliff hanger because Judy is not dead. I’ve encountered you before and I have no idea how anyone could listen to that ending theme and think the big bad guy/girl was defeated
The lights going out symbolizes the H taking her over. The memories just vaporize from his head from using too much
>That's literally what happened.
It, literally, is not. We never see this. It's an open ending you moron. We literally see none of what you said.
>We never see this
We literally "see" every thing I mentioned. Otherwise I wouldn't say so.
What you said is your interpretation. And I would enjoy your interpretation. But since you state it as fact, I discard it as nonsense. You're pointlessly making yourself look retarded by claiming your theory is fact
If you think that the show ended with Coop and Carrie defeating the source of all evil.... you're as delusional as Coop. Coop forgot some important things and was completely out of ideas at the end. We'd never seen him like that before. That's significant.
He forgot because he was too abusing heroin because evil coop was a huge drug kingpin and was a representation of Cooper's darker side (drug abuse). Once evil coop died, he had the hubris to believe that he was free of his addiction, but of course addiction is like a weed, it gets you when you aren't looking. That's why he was subconsciously abusing heroin and his addiction was coming back. Same with Carrie, she remembered what drugs did to her family and the memories of trauma came flooding back
we live inside a dream
But who is the dreamer?
So the diner at the end represents dreams? And the bug that crawled into Sarah's mouth was drug addiction? The green glove fist must also be a reference to how old 1950s western movies end, with everyone showing up to save the day?
Captain Gardening Glove is obviously a commentary on capeshit, which was at its zenith around the time this was made. Remember, twin peaks is about Television.
Laura got her smack cravings from her mother. It's genetic
This is what we see and hear immediately following the ending. Just like in S1 when Coop wakes up and forgets what Laura whispered to him the next episode, this time too, he's entirely forgotten what Laura whispered. He's lost. He didn't complete the mission.
You are the one who's lost. Very lost, buddy.
Not as lost as Sarah and Laura forever trapped in their addiction for eternity. Their trauma will never leave them
The bug can only be assumed is RELATED to Judy, but not her entirely. Sarah channels Judy the same way Mike and Bob were channeled by Philip and Zoe land respectively.
Leland, fucking autocorrect
LELAND SAYS, YOU'RE GOING HOME TO MISSOULA MONTANAAAAAAA
Sarah is possessed by the Jumping Man
Nope. She got addicted to heroin or maybe she started off with morphine. Durg users usually start with something lighter before going to the hard stuff. The morphine is why she was asleep (represents her first time taking prescribed morphine for an injury
>Dougie makes this poor woman rich
>Coop puts Laura into an eternal spiral of rape, death and rebirth
>Mr. C rapes Audrey, then gets their son killed
She’s not rich, she just got herself out of a hole PLUS her leech of a son came back
>She's not rich, she simply made an exorbitant amount of money thanks to Mr Jackpots at the casino and improved her life with it
She had crippling debt in the first place. It mostly brought her head above water and, by judging by the extravagant dress, she’s probably going to spend it all or have it used up by her son.
>blaming coop for Laura
Worst you can say is both Coop and the Fireman were manipulated by the wicked witch Judy
Cooper literally goes back in time to try and save Laura. He brings her back to life by doing so. Then returns her to her childhood home where she endured rape from the age of 12. She screams upon hearing her real name called out.
That’s Laura remembering the dream. She is the dreamer.
And then it ends abruptly because it makes clear that Judy and whatever connection that entity has to Laura’s trauma is not only undefeated but arguably in control
Entities need garmonbozia. Garmonbozia is suffering, sorrow, pain etc. When Laura screams at the end, she gives Judy all the garmonbozia she'll ever need. Judy is now stronger than ever. All the childhood trauma rushing back to Laura's mind, it's a feast for Judy
continuing the cycle of heroin abuse
What does the Fireman do all day? Just talk to people who visit and float in the air?
banging Senorita Dido
It was heroine
I can't read this thread anymore, sorry, but every post I expect the word heroin to pop up at the last second, goodbye
It’s probably why Lynch doesn’t want to talk about his movies, it’s just people pushing their theories on him
Lynch doesn’t talk about his movies because he knows the magic of them is in their transient experience, which you start to lose when you’re fanatically trying to break them down in an objective manner. And because he has an abominable addiction to heroine
>Blew Rhodes
What did he mean by this? Was it heroin?
Laura's screechy doppelganger from the S2 finale is Judy, they reference her when Sarah (possessed by Judy or otherwise an agent of her power) opens her face in S3
everyone has a doppelganger in the lodge, Hawk tells us in S2 that you encounter your shadow self in the lodge. We see even the Arm has an evil doppelganger with milky eyes and it seems angrier than the normal one. We encounter this evil one again in S3 as "the doppelganger of the evolution of the arm" (doppelganger of the brain tree). Laura's doppelganger is not Judy anymore than Mr C or the arm
I think an argument could be made Judy is sort of intimate with Laura’s double the same way Mr. C and BOB are, but I agree they are different entities
Is the guy crying about heroin forgetting that the madame of the whorehouse was literally being controlled and tormented with literally heroin?
how did they do the cool effect in the black lodge? Did they speak their lines, then play it backwards, then speak the backwards line in the final cut?
The making of specials on The Return's home release show various actors speaking into a tape to record themselves. Then they learn how to say it backwards from that. The scene is acted out completely in reverse with reverse speech, and then reversed in post-production, resulting in the odd movements and speech.
I've seen a webm from that episode and that got me into twin peaks. I didn't want to miss anything so I started from the beggining. I watched s1, s2, fire walk with me. I finally started watching s3 waiting for that episode but it never came. turned out I accidentally skipped this particular episode. I still haven't watched it out of spite.
Too bad, it's the best episode. It's a lot like Eraserhead.
>out of spite
To yourself for skipping it? Self-hatred is a hell of a drug. Kinda like gotya.
Nuke-dodger
>out of spite for getting me into twin peaks, i have never watched this particular episode out of sheer stupidity
Ah
This is Judy
That’s the horse, dumbass
That is Laura's shadow self (Hawk's words) or more commonly called doppelganger. We've also seen doppelgangers of the Arm in the S2 finale and of Cooper, also in the S2 finale. Unless I'm mistaken, even Maddy had one?
I'm going to put it simply for you kids:
Judy is an aspect of Laura as THE DREAMER. You could say that she's her subconscious.
She makes sure the dream never ends and obfuscates any attempt from any dream character to understand that they are part of a dream.
That is why she and her minions are at war with the Fireman and Blue Rose task force.
She created BOB to escape from the fact that her father was abusing her and raping her on a usual basis.
She also created the frogroach to escape from the fact that her mother was turning a blind eye to her abuse.
The Fireman is Laura's superego, or something like that. I don't know my Freud.
Carrie Page was Laura's tulpa. Basically Laura's ego, but lobotomized, and the potential destroyer of the dream.
That is why Judy placed her in an alternate sub-dream that has nothing to do with Twin Peaks.
Cooper taking her to the Palmer's home was an attempt to make her "remember" and thus end the dream.
The end of the show was the real Laura waking up to her mother calling her. The audio was taken from the pilot, when Sarah, who assumes Laura is still in her room, calls out to her.
All of this is more or less applicable to Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire.
No
It really do be like that, sorry champ (that's short for champion)
I don’t follow. Why is coop an FBI agent, and not a detective? Would that not fit the Sherlock Holmes archetype of the heroin-addict?
>nothing to do with Twin Peaks
Coop and Carrie drive past the RR Diner and wind up at the Palmer house in Twin Peaks
By that I'm referring to Carrie's "fake" life in Odessa. You don't get any more different than Twin Peaks than that.
>Coop and Carrie drive past the RR Diner and wind up at the Palmer house in Twin Peaks
Sure, but you never see the Twin Peaks sign, and everything seems "dead".
Source?
>Source?
FWWM or The Missing Pieces
I'm 95% it's from the pilot, so be specific or piss off, buster.
The audio is from either FWWM or The Missing Pieces
TAKE ANOTHER LOOK SONNY, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN
This is Judy.
That is Sarah Palmer.
Sarah Judith Novack, aka Judy
(later married to Leland Palmer)
She looked aboriginal in the episode. Why is she not aboriginal in life?
cute thing
Honestly, pretty smart flashback. Should Grace Zabrieski pass away, he could always somehow bring in that girl as some sort of Sarah Palmer entity and come up with some vague lodge logic for her being young again
I guess this thread is dead. I'll see you again the next one. Meanwhile.
I'll squeeze this thread till it's dry, 134.
>Eddie Vedder in the background
He was the key to all of this.
Heroin
520, we've been over this. Please discontinue this madness.
The real life explanation for that statue is really sweet. Lynch based it on his own father, who posed like that for a photo. Of course in the show, I think it's to recall Harry, whom Coop bonded with so closely.
>Lynch based it on his own father, who posed like that for a photo
I didn't know that, that's cool.
it's interesting how in Picture #3 and #4 we see how the motel changes appearances. So not only did Coop and Diane "cross over" into some other dimension or timeline in Picture #2, but they also "crossed over" during their sex ritual inside the motel and became Richard and Linda. Though by then, Coop is confused by those names and doesn't remember the Fireman's warnings.
It’s the same place, though.
Different motel. And the car Cooper arrives in, isn't the same car he leaves the motel in. Their identities changed, as well as the location and vehicle.
thread theme:
>"People who like Twin Peaks are party people."
-David Lynch, 1991
Yeah. So. What did he mean by that, exactly? Is it a metaphor?
>"The film is the thing."
-David Lynch
>interviewer says it's a ghost story
>Lynch head shaking in disbelief
>"It's a ghost story for you."
>"You have everything in the film, that's the thing. It doesn't matter what I say. Zip! It can only be a negative. The thing is built so you don't wanna take anything away. And you don't wanna add anything to it. It's complete. That's it."
>It doesn't matter what I say. Zip!
Was the interviewer's name Zip?
HellOOoooOooooooOo
>S1: Who killed Laura Palmer?
>S2: How is Annie?
>FWWM: Who is Judy?
>S3: What year is this?
I word searched this thread and found no mention of "electricity"
That's Judy. Unironically.
The demons can use electricity to travel between dimensions
ONE ONE NINE
119 girl = Laura/Carrie
bleeding guy in jail cell = Coop/Richard
It is in our house now.
He's referring to when Sarah's drug addiction
none of this shit matters because it's all a dream. Either cooper's or laura's
your definition of dream is too strict and limited
Find black grandmas.
What's this look meant to convey?
regret while thinking about how good the daughter pussy was
but he said he can't remember anything when bob is in charge, was he kying
Yes. Bob is just a metaphor for the evil that men do. That's basically like saying he was overcome with lust for his daughter's barely legal body and he couldn't control himself.
No bob in dark green blob form is representative of heroin (the evil men do, which is drug abuse and drug abuse related acts)
>tfw no black grannies
>watch The Missing Pieces
>watch Fire Walk With Me
>watch Season 1 Pilot
>watch The Return Parts 17 & 18
Wow, that was an amazing coming-of-age story, turned tragic rape and acceptance of death horror, before giving me a well-earned happy ending where some dude travels back in time to save the protagonist, only for him to then remind her of all the past trauma she went through wtf but at the same time I guess it's such a real portrayal of what young American women go through and the truth of their suffering and the depth of their trauma, thx David Lynch
Laura a cute, a CUTE. Wish we could have seen more of pre-S1 Laura, but the Missing Pieces was a nice addition.
Also, FWWM/TMP Donna > S1/S2 Donna
>FWWM/TMP Donna > S1/S2 Donna
Imagine having such a bad taste. Harrowing.
>being into lara flynn boyle
yikers
>being a flaming homosexualte
She looks like if a man and a woman had a child.
>everyone forgets Audrey and Donna are sisters
Men, Ben Horne got his dick wet on so many laginas.
>TP threads can still get +200 posts
Nice
This thread needs more Audery