Lmao I hope
Reminds me of Batman Year Two when Batman and Joe Chill teamed up to defeat a villain and Batman was shooting at him with the same gun that killed his parents
He literally did kill Jason in UTRH. Jason died when the building collapsed, then Superboy Prime resurrected him a 2nd time.
Joker killed him once, Batman killed him once. And if you count Task Force Z, the third time was Jason killing himself.
How many ripples did superbly prime make? Seems weird that superboy prime resurrected Jason from the grave and resurrected him again from the collapsing building both by accident?
The ripples affected past, present and future. So the first ripple brought his ass back to life years ago. The second ripple did it again a few years later. These ripples were made at the same time, but reached the DCU at different times.
Why the frick would Spider-Man save Norman of all people? Why would he save any of his villains? Most of those guys are legitimately heinous. And why does he have a no-kill rule in the first place?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SHOOT A MASS MURDERING PSYCHOPATH WHO JUST ATE AND GORED YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE... BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY??????????
I know right, it's great.
I hate how Marvel doesn't have a genuine middle ground for this. You either have to be a b***h and just not kill supervillains under any circumstance like Spider-Man or be a psychopathic killer that enjoys that shit way too much like Wolverine.
>DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE HIM?! DO YOU?!
Where did this utterly moronic cope come from? >That psycho kidnapped a little girl and locked her up in his basement! >NOOOOO YOU CANT PUT HIM IN PRISON NOOO YOULL BE JUST LIKE HIM
Ditko Spidey would have handed the father a flamethrower.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It didn't help.
I enjoy a more pragmatic Spider-Man. Making him a bleeding heart just makes him shit and lame. The dude's supposed to be the classical anti-hero AKA the flawed hero. Flawed in the jerk with a heart of gold type of way. Not "flawed" as in the b***h who protects irredeemable monsters because "it's the right thing to do". So fricking lame.
Flash is a fricking soldier. He fought in the Vietnam War/War on Terror. He of all people should understand where Kaine is coming from.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Most superheroes don't operate like soldiers, even the ones that are former soldiers like Captain America, but with that said, I'm certain the even Cap would get tired of Carnage's shit.
Cletus was already a murderous piece of shit before he got Carnage, I don't see why Peter goes out of his way to defend him outside of the fact that symbiotes sell
If Petey was so concerned about keeping the guy's hands clean from blood then why didn't he himself finished Cletus right there at the spot?
I swear it sucks for moralgay heroes to have a murderous edgy villains in their rogue gallary because it does nothing but flanderize the hero's character over time.
Most of Spidey's villains ARE murderous. Very few are legit small time crooks. Scorpion is a fricking cannibal without the symbiote. Spidey should ideally be more pragmatic about this shit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Scorpion is a fricking cannibal
I missed this development.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I’ve read a ton of his post venom issues and don’t remember either, I think this is in the vein of “Man Mountain Marko is a necrophilliac”.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think Gargan was ever portrayed as a cannibal until he was bonded with the symbiote
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SHOOT A MASS MURDERING PSYCHOPATH WHO JUST ATE AND GORED YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE... BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY??????????
I know right, it's great.
This is worse. Spidey has enough power to not have to worry about cops getting after him.
Even though the change in the movie of Jason shooting at Bruce was dumb, it still makes more sense than Bruce inexplicably managing to throw a Batarang at Jason hard enough to ricochet it into his shoulder from behind without Jason even managing to twitch and kill Joker.
i kinda like the change because jason getting mad at bruce for ignoring and inhis frustration shooting at bruce instead is fitting. i understand not liking how bruce's plan being dependent on jason shooting him though, also he just fricking dodged a bullet what happened to no powers. i liked the movie
Batman would realistically kill a few criminals every month with the methods we see him employ.
Gotham crooks would have long-term brain damage from being knocked out so much, as well as several who would fall in such a way that their head would crack on the pavement.
Additionally, the various gasses he uses to knock people out could all garner allergic reactions OR kill if improperly dosed.
Add in the heart attack factor, and yes absolutely Batman believes it's fine to kill people.
Pro-tip: the moral and philosophical discussion in this comic is fricking stupid. This is beyond civil war levels of character assassination.
The only way that this comic isn't over in 3 issues is if Batman goes schizo and teams up with half of Arkham. Catwoman training henchmen to get their masters degrees in cat burglar-ing is impossible to take seriously.
No it's a great plan. Train all these criminals to be master thieves but give them rules! Surely they will follow them. Surely there aren't any people who would be lazy and just decide to commit multiple low level robberies with their skills instead of planning heists against rich people.
Surely only targeting the rich wouldn't lead them to get lethal security or organise crime themselves in order to maintain their wealth.
No, Selina thought of everything!
I really don't get why hack writers do this trope as if it's some sort of gotcha moment. It only makes the character in question look like a massive butthole, rather than having any sort of point.
That’s why they’re criminals, and you are not. Jason doesn’t kill because he’s protecting himself. He kills because he’s a psychopathic mass-murderer who only gets away with it because his daddy lets him get away with it
>he’s a psychopathic
That's Bruce. Jason is just a killer with a motive. >his daddy lets him get away with it
His "daddy" is stuck in a shitty situation of his own doing. But by all mean, I'd love to see the Bats put Jason on an actual trial to send him into prison. See how publicaly revealing everyone identities and how Bruce Wayne is training orphans for "his war" would go for all of them. All these shit characters need a reality check.
Jason did get sent to prison, while Dick was Batman. Because Jason is a murderer and is clearly wrong.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And was never show getting a trial as he should because DC are hacks who want it easy. That also proved why sending Jason to prison doesn't works; Batman just home delivered criminasl to his doorsteps where he can't do shit about it. And if you're okay with that then you're okay with killing killers, same as Jason.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That's why Jason's punishment should be solitary confinement. End of Story. You lost.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You lost.
Are you 8? Solitary confinement never stoped any Batman's Rogue. And this is still an admitting defeat since Jason is still not getting a trial, which is his sovereign right and all that jazz.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't that just frick his head even more? Hell I'm sure spooky Lazarus curse would even make him see crazy hallucinations or something.
What if, ha ha, what if the guys Catwoman eventually turn on her and she ends up in a huge gangrape that Batman has to rescue her out of?
Wouldn't that be thematically funny?
>Bruce killing Jason but not the Joker
I'm fine with it because then I'll be free from DC. I'm just surprised Batgays would want to write Batman deeper into the gutte, though.
They are willing to have Batman get damaged beyond repair as long as they can stick it to Jason fans. This how much Jason and his fans make them seethe.
>This how much Jason and his fans make them seethe
Why, though? What about Jason that makes them this triggered? I have noticed that the entire bat trash fanbase are so insecure about him for some reason.
Eh, Jason only exists to antagonize Batman and make snide, seething comments about him so it's unsurprising that a significant contingent of Batman fans would hate him and prefer not to see him around
For batman fanboys, because he exposes Batman flaws and hypocrisy whey they can't stand.
For the batfamily fans, it's pretty much a case of them being insecure because he raised to popularity in record time and is arguably the most popular among them.
It's because Jason is a catty little b***h who only shows up to lean against a wall and make quips about other characters, and then when it's go-time he gets his ass handed to him
I think it's pretty understandable that people get attached to their heroes, and they dislike characters who are mean to them and serve as antagonists to them. Yeah Batman is pretty mean too, but it's a conceit of the story that he's a good guy overall with a gruff exterior and some moral dilemmas—Jason Todd is supposed to be a bad guy just because Jason Todd is supposed to be a bad guy, as Robin or as Red Hood. It's pretty simple, I don't think we need to read too much into it.
This is pretty childish and pathetic. They always have Batman and Damian act "mean" to Jason and I don't hate them. I simply hate the way they are being written and how incompetent DC is.
He is trying to come off with excuse and he made it worse. I think this guy
For batman fanboys, because he exposes Batman flaws and hypocrisy whey they can't stand.
For the batfamily fans, it's pretty much a case of them being insecure because he raised to popularity in record time and is arguably the most popular among them.
If we went with what he said, then Jason fans have more reason to hate Batman and everyone in the family. Yet, most of them don't.
All we want is decently written stories.
t. Jasongay
10 months ago
Anonymous
I already give up on this a long time ago. Jason will remain my favorite, but I legit dislike DC and I expect nothing from them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't worry, DC is pretty much dying. They failed completely to gain new younger fans and they have lost lot of their older fans. I don't think Batman is selling as he used to and it's only a matter of time.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think Batman is selling as he used to
Did they recover from the aborted wedding? I hope not.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but I joined after the wedding abortion. I joined because punchline looked hot.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Batman as brand is for sure isn't as strong as it used to. DC really succeeded in damaging him.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They did the same with Harley. People are sick of her, but DC is stil pretending that she is "super popular".
10 months ago
Anonymous
In terms of merch sales, convention presence and online trends she's much higher than even superman. In terms of comic sales not so much but nobody reads anymore. And people who find Harley appealing definitely don't read. With exception of Harleen, which is a bestseller. And frankly much better than the current Harley Quinn ongoing.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>In terms of merch sales, convention presence and online trends she's much higher
You sure? I barely see any trend or mention of her these days.
>than even superman
This isn't saying much. My own students didn't even know who the heck is Superman.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Harley merch sales is higher than nightwing. It's the third most popular. The first two being Batman and Joker in that order.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have any new source for this? I remember seeing an old chart that prove your point, but I haven't seen any updated one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not on hand, but you can look at best sellers in various merch catagories to verify this.
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Nightwing's personality doesnt have broad appeal. He's basically a "good guy" but without the edge of batman or childhood appeal of spiderman. He's interesting, but nothing beyond that. Part of batman's appeal is how erratic he can be. Nightwing is more like a role model. Boring.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They need to bring back butthole Nightwing instead of the sunshine oniichan thing he has going on rn
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not with Jason being "the mean Robin". It won't work.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Damian is the "mean" Robin. It could work, since that family is filled to the brim with trauma and endless neuroticism
10 months ago
Anonymous
Damian is the bratty baby Robin.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Bratty, just like his father.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not with Jason being "the mean Robin". It won't work.
Jason - edgy angsty Robin
Damien - role model Robin
Damien - bratty Robin
Tim - lol, lmao, even. >Inb4 smart robin
Nobody cares. He stopped being cool once he dropped the cowl for a repainted Robin outfit. And lost his muscles to become a twink.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Damien twice
*Grayson, frick me I'm tired today
10 months ago
Anonymous
Frick damien
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Damien twice
*Grayson, frick me I'm tired today
And you couldn't even write Damian right.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That’s just the comics. There’s always the movies and games which is what actually sells.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>movies and games
Not anymore. The Batman didn't do as well as expected and we have reached the point where people no longer are interested in capes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Jason is the same as Batman though. Why hasn't he killed anyone of importance?
Batman has a greater moral responsibility to kill Jason than he does to kill Joker, since he trained Jason and gave him the knowledge and means to be a murderer
He must’ve killed a couple million in the OMAC attacks
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget metal. Never forget what he did in metal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Pinning this on him is a bit shit, innit?
10 months ago
Anonymous
When you perform an action you take responsibility for the risks
Batman created a rogue AI with the power to enslave innocent humans, he is not absolved when that AI goes rogue and does what it is built by Batman to do
10 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, what? He is completely responsible for what happened and all the deaths are on him.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget metal. Never forget what he did in metal.
Always mention this whenever his tards get uppity.
No, they're the justice system's fault. Gotham's legal team could've had the Joker executed a thousand times over.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Even if execution of the insane was legal, batman would just kidnap joker and keep him in the bat cave until he, as Bruce Wayne, persuades the public to make capital punishment illegal again. Batman is unhinged.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No, he wouldn't.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No he wouldn't since he hasn't stopped it from happening before.
The truth is, the Joker will conveniently be saved by any such situation because he's a Batman of his own.
His solo movie did like a billion dollars. Do you genuinely think DC would kill him off?
I'm talking from a jokerwank perspective. Batman would easily be OOC before editorial allows him to die.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No he wouldn't since he hasn't stopped it from happening before.
The truth is, the Joker will conveniently be saved by any such situation because he's a Batman of his own.
His solo movie did like a billion dollars. Do you genuinely think DC would kill him off?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Batman stopped joker from being executed because TECHNICALLY he wasn't responsible for that SPECIFIC killing. Ridiculous
10 months ago
Anonymous
This. Anyone else who can't see it is moronic. It's completely irrelevant whether Batman kills or doesn't since the Joker will remain alive just like how every other DC and Marvel hero is alive.
Hell, Batman killed Darkseid for a time and he eventually came back.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Then, the writers should stop having Batman crying about Jason methods because it will only makes him look like a huge hypocrite.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Batman's no-kill rule is a fail-safe by DC to keep their recognizable villains alive. So yes, he's obviously going to have issues with Jason's methods for plot purposes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They can always bring them back and they did.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The No-kill rule exists because the comics are meant to run forever. But adaptations don’t have this issue as they’re intended to end at some point. Batman can kill the Joker in a movie because the Joker was only ever going to be the villain for that one movie. Even a TV show can have Batman kill the Joker.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, it's a no-brainer. Moreover, even characters who do kill in comics magically never kill the important villains, just side-goons.
So to single out Batman means you're a casual who doesn't get how comics work.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nightwing's would be higher if they gave him the ass he has in the comics.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Meant for
Anon, Harley merch sales is higher than nightwing. It's the third most popular. The first two being Batman and Joker in that order.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Which is why it’s bullshit when they retain the No-killing rule in the adaptations. Batman not killing the Joker in a movie doesn’t make him look moral, it makes him an idiot. Especially to a general audience. Imagine if Robocop didn’t kill Red and Dick Jones at the end. Or if Stallone didn’t kill Snipes at the end of Demolition Man. Moviegoers would be PISSED.
10 months ago
Anonymous
BATMAN ISN'T A KILLER
HE DOESN'T WANT TO KILL
HE DOESN'T KILL
THAT'S HOW HE IS
HE'S NOT THE PUNISHER OR SOMETHING
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes because batman values life! All life is sacred!!! >reinforces abusive fear tactics >infringes on your right to privacy to get illegal evidence >tortures you >breaks every bone in your body, ruining your life >but it's okay, cuz he paid the medical bills and didn't kill you, lul
All life sacred btw
10 months ago
Anonymous
Batman is an anti-hero who’s too pussy to take the extra step.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Punisher doesn't kill either. All of Marvel's villains are alive last I checked.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That just means he sucks at his job.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on the circumstances. Cops don't automatically just kill every wrongdoer.
In fact, a lot of the time the sentencing of death is applied after a long trial process.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Batman isn't Robocop or Demolition Man holy shit, he's Batman, and Batman doesn't kill.
Why is this so hard to understand? He's not trying to be a cop or a soldier, he's a superhero.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Superheroes can and have killed. The Avengers killed all the time in the MCU and people didn’t give a frick. They loved that shit. Just like how they loved KeatonBats who killed bad guys all the time.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Avengers >heroes
Ehhhhh
Either way, Batman is supposed to be a different kind of superhero, if it isn't obvious.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Superheroes can and have killed
Yeah but not anyone of importance. So Batman having a no-killing rule changes virtually nothing.
Also, most of the Avengers have no-kill rules.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Captain america kills, just not innocents and he isn't a moron to not know when not to do it. Batgays are a bunch of homosexuals
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Captain america kills
If he kills then why is every major villain still alive? Sounds like an even bigger homosexual.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because they're incompetent and suck at their jobs, simple as.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't the Avengers supposed to be Earth's mightiest heroes? Why are so many villains still alive?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because comics need to run forever. The movies don’t have this issue and most of their villains are dead.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Right. I pointed this out early into the thread but people keep ignoring it.
Yet, it's literally the answer to everyone's head scratching.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao this
A hero who kills but all his major villains are alive is a failure
10 months ago
Anonymous
Why batman dont upgrade arkham instead of letting the morons go out?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cap is a soldier. He’s killed plenty before. He ain’t afraid to take a life to protect the innocent.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Except lives that would actually make a difference, like major villains with actual power.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They killed Thanos twice, dude. Thor decapitated him the first time.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's a reason people love Marvel more
10 months ago
Anonymous
These are movies. Batman has also killed in most of them. But keep coping.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Marvelgays can only bring up the movies
lol
lmao
10 months ago
Anonymous
Comics are gay.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Then the entire thread is irrelevant. Batman kills, end of story.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If the justice system is corrupted enough that they keep releasing these mass murdering psychopaths why the frick does Batman keep delivering them to it? Why doesn't he root out the corruption first?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Because there would be no more comic books. But yes, technically you can solve all of the DC/Marvel worlds' problems pretty much overnight. A couple of casters can do it on their own.
Do you think that when Jason opens fire into a crowd of thugs, he is personally vetting the rapsheets of each and every one of them to make sure they are murderers and not just, say, thieves or dealers or hired muscle?
No he didn’t, Jason specifically had to get more training because Batman’s was all non-lethal. It was from high-class murderers and criminals before flashpoint and the monk warrior cult All-Caste after it.
This has got to be one of the stupidest reasons to pit heroes against each other I’ve ever read.
Like all it takes is one robbery to go wrong and it turns into a Martha and Thomas Wayne situation, how the frick can these supposed heroes not realize that?
Bruce literally brought that exact point up and Selina just started screeching at him shrilly not to yell at her in front of her kids (Selina acting like she's the matriarch of the batfamily or some shit, frick off; lmao)
As much as the event seems to villainise Bruce I can't help but think it's definitely gonna end with that happening so is it tryna say he's right? They're never gonna keep this professional criminal thing long-term in the comic
It's true. If jason the edgelord wants bruce to kill Joker then Jason is a cowardly hypocrite who would need to kill himself as well, or kneel like the criminal dog he is and have Bruce kill him. And Bruce should kill everyone in the Batfamily who have killed. Dick has. Cass has. Steph has. Damian has. Tim has.
This is how you get Batman turning into The Joker. Jason's just too stupid to realise that.
>And Bruce should kill everyone in the Batfamily who have killed. Dick has. Cass has. Steph has. Damian has. Tim has.
Including himself. He shot Darkseid to death, remember? Or remember how he purposely browbeat Composite Superman into ripping his own head off? And I'm decently sure there are instances of him killing cannon fodder non-human beings too. Bruce is a fricking hypocrite.
>Darkseid survived
Batman didn't know that and was shooting to kill. >Composite Superman killed himself
Of course a batgay would have reading comprehension problems. >purposely browbeat Composite Superman into ripping his own head off
He (and Superman) explicitly and purposely drew a mentally unwell sentient being to suicide, and unlike Superman, who at least showed willingness to stop CS from unaliving himself, Batman didn't care in the slightest. This is just as much of a murder as handing a suicidal person a loaded gun fully knowing he will blast his head off.
Didn’t Punisher do literally just this? He basically killed every single hero and villain on the entire planet, and then killed himself at the end, acknowledging that he was part of the problem. And the world was a safer place as a result of all of it, proving him right.
Except that's wrong, cause the same comic pointed out that no matter what they do, more metahumans will be born in the future, more mutates will come back from the dead, and inevitably a new generation of superheros will show up to replace the fallen. The guys who gave him all the toys he needed to kill the current crop were outright planning to use him as their attack dog to murder anyone with a superpower for the rest of his natural borne existence, and it's only him turning his employers into plasma that kept that from happening. So in the end, he didn't do anything with a lasting impact, just filled more graves with corpses.
It's Marvel, buddy. Considering people get mutated by irradiated puddles of water, I would give it a week before New York was going up in flames with a horde of supervillains now free to loot the city down to its foundations now that there's no Spider-Man or Fantastic Four to stop them.
Batman not killing the Joker
Batman beating up police officers trying to shoot the Joker
Batman spying on the Joker and taking precautions to make sure he's never in danger
Batman saving the Joker from a burning building before everyone else
Batman bringing an injured Joker to a hospital and forcing the doctors to stop helping other people so they can operate on the Joker
Batman killing Jason because he wants to kill the Joker
Batman jumping in front of a bullet to save the Joker
Batman doing the Jokers' dirty jobs because that lowers the chance of him doing it himself and being in danger
Batman following the Joker's orders as to not cause stress to the Joker and give him a heart attack
Batman killing innocent people for the Joker because theyre endangering the Joker by going against him and causing him stress
Batman helping Joker rule over Gotham to minimize the chances of him dying
There HAS to be an in-universe explanation for this at one point. What would it be? That he subconsciously loves the Joker as much as Joker loves him? I don't think that would work either. He wouldn't do all the shit he does for Joker for Selina or Talia. So what gives? How can it be explained? Will DC finally canonize that Batman is severely mentally ill, in ways that cause this?
>joker has openly admitted this >batman has openly acknowledged this >batman still hates him and wants to kill him >and yet, continues to restrain himself
One rule is bullshit. Empathy is bullshit. Mental illness is the only explanation. What will it take for Batman to acknowledge he won't kill Joker because he's fricked in the head and clearly, irrationally, prioritizes Joker's life over people like Jason?
You think everyone should just pretend things are okay and quit they're batching as if shit isn't 4 times as expensive as it used to be?
I don't condone stealing either, but frick rich people.
poorhomosexuals are genuine filth who's only goal in life is to parasitize and steal from anyone marginally more unfortunate then them. It doesnt stop with Gates or Bezos or Musk no, eat the rich means eat everybody richer then you. On Instagram there was this whole campaign of "shoplifting is okay" and some of them were saying "dont shoplift from walmart, shoplift from mom & pop stores because they are the little bourgois" or whatever commie babble they use. When blacks move into safer cleaner areas they themselves start to grow averse to hood homies because they and any sane person knows that this mob mentality of "eat the rich" is driven by pure envy and greed. These people by the way are no different to Gates and Musk and all the greedy robber barons except that the robber barons were lucky and had connections, whereas these guys never reached their level. Two breeds of the same mosquito
you can be sane and not an fringe fundamentalist extremist. Although seriously, who has ever sided with the uber-rich? Those people turn industries into monopolies and kill any competition
You see the problem with Damian Wayne has always been governed by three things: An accident, drama bait, and constant immaturity.
In a lack of a better words, Damian was accident. In storyline, he was never met to be something greater. He was merely a thought brought back from Kingdom Come. Here's the thing, he was always an accident back in KC, and now. He is an unintentional being, brought forth only for drama bait, not his character development but a reaction to him.. His entire existent exists is that. `Now that's fine and dandy, the character could be something greater due to the drama he brings, but here's the thing. He's stuck in a constant state of ass whining, it's like a piece of turd stuck in your rectum that won't come out. He's an accidental poop that just won't come out, and be gone with it.
He's an accident, and keeps making accidents. It's what he's known for nowadays, like how Tim Drake is known for being gay, Dick Grayson with a large ass, Jason Todd being a loner baby, and Bruce Wayne being a loner. He's a constant accident who keeps making it, and ultimately makes him an idiot who refuses to learn by design. It's like seeing someone that tries their hardest to win but always looses at the end. Kinda pathetic really, and makes you wanna just not see the character anymore. Though, that'd probably a better fate.
Damian really should have been killed, and forgotten. He could have been the New Jason Todd to inspire Tim and Bruce to become greater characters. Instead, he's an accidental boy who whines only to please the crowd when he gets abused by other members of the DC universe. He is literally built for abuse. Is that what you want from a character? Abuse? Do Damian Wayne fans really want to see their character be in constant abuse?
What I'm saying is that Damian is a piece of turd, it's gross to look at, but you just want to see it a split second and leave. Problem is, the smell is still with you.
The problems with Tim Drake started with Dan Didio and Dick Grayson, along with Jason Todd then Damian Wayne.
Didio wanted tom make Tim into his vision of the iconic Robin archetype. Teen Titans, dead parents, etc. This was all done with the expectation that Dick Grayson would be killed off in Infinite Crisis, so Tim could step up as Batman's heir apparent. But then Dick didn't die. Last minute change. The plans for Tim still played out the same. Bruce adopts Tim. Tim moves into Dick's old bedroom. Tim leads the Teen Titans. Tim is still destined to become Batman. Tim even starts calling himself Tim Wayne. With Dick off in New York this status quo could have worked... but then Grant Morrison came along.
The real problem was Morrison picking Dick Grayson to be the next Batman. DC spent over half a decade prepping Tim for that role and Morrison blueballed the entire character arc. To make it worse, Tim couldn't even wait it out as Robin, because Morrison wanted to use Damian. But because DC spent so much time destroying Tim's old life to make him more "iconic", Tim didn't have anything to fall back on.
The New 52 made it clear that DC really had no idea what to do with the character. Damian as Robin was a hit. Nightwing was as popular as ever. Jason Todd was alive and an anti-hero. Barbara was back as Batgirl. Tim Drake no longer had a role to fill in the Batman Family. And here we are a decade later and nobody still has any idea what to do with him.
Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story.
Tim's role to be the successor of Jason was dashed, but it was still to be the light to Jason's dark. With Jason alive, has to prove himself better. But Damian fricking Wayne came in. He stole Tim's role as Robin, thereby not even giving Tim a formal leave, or grand storyline, of exiting his Robin mantle that he made popular during his generation. Damian stole all of it, but I can forgive that Pre-New 52, as Tim was still a big player. But then New 52 came in, and retconned all of this shit, with Jason being goody with the Batfamily, and Damian being pushed hard. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Dick, Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Dick should have left Tim alone, and Jason/Damian should have at least kept one of them dead.
Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story.
Tim's role to be the successor of Jason was dashed, but it was still to be the light to Jason's dark. With Jason alive, has to prove himself better. But Damian fricking Wayne came in. He stole Tim's role as Robin, thereby not even giving Tim a formal leave, or grand storyline, of exiting his Robin mantle that he made popular during his generation. Damian stole all of it, but I can forgive that Pre-New 52, as Tim was still a big player. But then New 52 came in, and retconned all of this shit, with Jason being goody with the Batfamily, and Damian being pushed hard. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Dick, Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Dick should have left Tim alone, and Jason/Damian should have at least kept one of them dead.
Tim Drake copy pasta was originally seething about Damian and Jason, but an anon added Dick to it (Credits to this anon https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139065084/#q139066124). The Damian Wayne one was a response to Damigay in the latest Batman storytime thread.
Jason and Steph are in for a due. Problem, don't know enough about Steph for a full copypasta.
Reminder that the answer to every bat related question has, and will always be, rape. >muh beating up criminals leads nowhere because there will always be criminals
If you're told doing crime will lead to a six foot human fridge pushing your shit in you're gonna stop that immediately. >muh beating up criminals gives them brain damage
No damage from rape, only pleasure. >Muh rehabilitation
A good dicking would have very easily fixed Talia, Harley, Selina, Ivy, and whomever else I've forgotten. >Muh poverty
Rape costs nothing, the dick is already there. The rest of Wayne's money can go into other ventures >muh batman trains children
This way he'll have to resort to adults for his bat rape army. >muh X died
Won't happen because after a good rape no one would even be able to clench their asses long enough to line up a shot against any of the bat rape family
Rape is the one and only way to a brighter Gotham. Support Rape. Thank Rape.
This whole Selina war thing is super moronic. Jason with the hoodie and face mask is also terrible.
Modern DC is garbage and I wish they would stop making bad stuff with characters I like.
It's fine to kill bad guys (murderers, terrorists, dictators).
It's evil to kill good guys (including good guys who kill bad guys - which is inherently an act of good).
The no-kill rule is for brand and IP preservation. Good writers have the characters follow this corporate rule while making them not look like castrated idiots.
There HAS to be an in-universe explanation for this at one point. What would it be? That he subconsciously loves the Joker as much as Joker loves him? I don't think that would work either. He wouldn't do all the shit he does for Joker for Selina or Talia. So what gives? How can it be explained? Will DC finally canonize that Batman is severely mentally ill, in ways that cause this?
The best explanation I’ve ever seen is from Tynion’s Zur En Ar arc, that Bruce is just extremely empathetic to a fault. He’s one of the few people in Gotham who sees beyond Joker’s surface and sees he’s clearly just an injured soul lashing out against a world that hurt him. So no matter how much harm Joker causes him he can’t bring himself to harm Joker and be part of the unfortunate world that created them both
Will Joker ever join the Batfamily (even as a temp gag)? I feel like some sort of progression needs to be made to make tolerating his Hitler-esque crimes. If Harley could, why can't he? Surely Bat can look past a couple (hundred) murders.
In Last Knight on Earth Joker permanently joins the Batfamily and becomes Bruce’s Robin
Note the Black guy in a yellow suit taking a selfie with Joker. Joker drove his parents insane and they were locked up in an insane asylum for the rest of their lives. That’s his origin story.
Also this is set in New 52 and Justice League Perpetua timeline, which means Joker killed all of Nightwing’s family in Haley’s circus, turned Gordon’s son into a serial killer, crippled and raped Batgirl and turned the bald chick’s brother evil
That has the excuse of joker being dormant for what, hundreds of years? Also joker was a head and was at the whims of not!batman. I wanna see present day joker join the Batfamily in main batbooks. I wanna see what contrived scenario they draw up for that situation to happen. Gimme some dumbass goku vegeta teamup shit that lasts a full arc, not just vs the man who laughs. People complain about joker hogging villain time and I think this is the most goofy kino solution to keep villains while also giving joker screentime to minmax money. If they can tolerate mass crime and Jason's murders, this is the next logical step.
DC isn’t even good right now. And Batman wasn’t the most popular back then when comics actually mattered. Just let it die. The dceu is a failure, joker 2 will flop, James Gunn is not going to save anything, Batman is complete ass right now, the animated movie sales are dropping, and comicbook sales are shit right now. Capeshit needs to die and get wiped off the face of the earth.
Batman TAS struck a good balance of a Batman that could smile, take it easy sometimes, and bond with others while also being able to scare the shit out of criminals. He was competent without being hypercompetent, a good fighter without being untouchable, a smart guy while not being the smartest guy, and had high tech stuff without being too high tech and bringing into question as to how he doesn't instantly win his fights if he has shit like Batmechs, super suits, and all that other bullshit he just happens to forget when he's not doing JL shit.
Reminder they’re immediately scheduling a Batman vs Joker arc immediately after this.
Even DC know these Catwoman-simping female writers suck so much that they have to regularly dose the run with Joker just to bring the sales back up after they crash it down.
I don't know the context of this but I like to think Jason says >No, I got a better idea 🙂
then they end up tying up Barbara and force her to watch them murdering commissioner Gordon in a father-son bonding moment followed by them drinking beers on the patio in the Wayne estate on pool chairs watching the sunset while Alfred delivers party snacks.
Jason, what if I told you there is a way to fix crime and gain the moral upper hand on the Bats?
Trust me Jason. I'll be the father Bruce never was. Together, we'll do what must be done and save Gotham.
I need some feedback on this idea, but what if we changed Jason's main objective from >Kill the Joker/Prove Bruce's wrong
To >Shitting on Bruce for enlisting Tim and Damian even after his death
?
>Fights people that fill graveyards >NO KILL! >Fights family thinking/planning about killing >I WILL KILL YOU!
Batman is such a gay. It's not even funny.
Why is batman so loyal to the law when it comes to capital punishment, but breaks pretty much all other laws? And also believes all life is sacred? He says he trusts the will of the people but the court system is notoriously corrupt.
Shit like this is why adaptations reign supreme over the source. They have the advantage of removing the dumbass bullshit that plagues the characters and setting.
>unironically defending the no-kill rule
Y’all are just meming right? The whole point of Batman’s no-kill rule is that it’s meant for Batman and ONLY Batman. It comes from his fragile mental state formed from the childhood trauma of seeing his parents murdered in front of him. Mentally, he is STILL a child, and like a child, he is a sociopath with no natural sense of morality, because that tends to develop later in life. Bruce realizes how broken he is, and realizes how easily he could go on a guilt-free mass murder spree, but still wants to do good in the world, so he forces himself to adhere to a strict no-kill rule. It is NOT a part of his genuine moral code; it is an ARTIFICIAL code to compensate for his lack of inner moral conscience. He cannot understand when killing is or isn’t wrong, so he just forces himself to never kill, even when not killing results in innocents dying, because at least then, it’s not directly his fault.
Superman doesn’t need a code. Flash doesn’t need a code. Green Lantern doesn’t need a code. ONLY Bruce does. It is an EXPLICIT character flaw for Batman, and getting over his rule and learning to kill responsibly like everyone else should be considered character development, NOT “OOC writing”.
>Superman doesn’t need a code. Flash doesn’t need a code. Green Lantern doesn’t need a code.
Lol wut? All of their main villains are still alive dude. Not having a code is cooler on paper but even more moronic in execution.
Because for Superman, all his villains are genuine challenges for him, to the point where he couldn’t kill them even if he tried. For Flash, it’s the opposite: his villains understand how weak they are compared to Flash, so they keep their crimes PG-13 so as not to piss off the guy who can vibrate them from existence in an attosecond. The only exception to that is Reverse-Flash, who is on-par with Flash, and is separated from the timeline so he literally cannot die even if he wanted to.
>ecause for Superman, all his villains are genuine challenges for him, to the point where he couldn’t kill them even if he tried.
Yeah, I'm sure he couldn't kill Lex Luthor from 200 miles with his heat vision.
You're dumb, dude. I'll give you the real reason Flash will never vibrate his molecules through the Joker, it's because the Joker is a popular character who rakes in money by himself.
Him not having a code would make even less sense, that's the issue. You can't realistically kill Batman's rogues gallery because it's like killing the bat family, or killing Superman or whoever else.
They are moneymakers. There is no real difference between Bats and Joker except one is a protagonist and the other an antagonist.
Flash has super speed so killing isn’t necessary. It only becomes an option when dealing with other speedsters. Barry killed Thawne when he tried to murder his second wife after he previously murdered Iris. Snapped his neck at super speed. Get fricked you yellow frick.
Why DC is super obsessed with the idea of these two fighting all the time when everyone is getting seriously tired of this? Wherever I go, I see people complaining about it and DC is still doing it anyway.
The guy I’m killing after he decided to kill my entire family?
Ever heard of the Golden Rule: “Treat others the way you want to be treated”? Well it goes both ways: “Treat others the way they treat you.” Killers make it very clear how they expect to be treated, so it’s only polite to reciprocate.
Yes. But who’s gonna kill me? The only guy who has a motive to kill me is frickin’ dead. >h-his family
I killed them all, too. No more loose ends; the bloodshed stops with me.
For what motive? Random people don’t care about random deaths unrelated to them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? If you go out right now and kill someone you'll get arrested. Depending on the circumstances, you might get a death penalty.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>man rapes my son >kill him in court >OH NO I’M GONNA GET THE HECKIN’ CHAI- >oh wait the entire jury has common sense and dropped all my charges
10 months ago
Anonymous
>turns himself in for tax evasion cuz tax evasion is illegal, and he must face justice for crimes he knew was wrong but still partook in >doesn't just kill the joker and turn himself in
The only thing injustice did right
10 months ago
Anonymous
That's an outlier. Not everyone is that lucky. Otherwise, everyone would just be taking matters into their own hands.
I covered my tracks. They’ll never know it was me. There will be no spark to light their fire for vengeance. They will die ordinary, peaceful, empty deaths, and with them, the cycle of bloodshed will also die.
I am better. I’m not the one who murdered innocents here. I didn’t kill my parents or my baby siblings, he did. I’m doing the world a favor by removing the evil frick and preventing him from hurting anyone ever again.
What does his family have to do with it? In fact I'd say killing him is saving his own family from him, what's preventing him from turning around and slaughtering them? He's already proven he has little regard for the lives of others why would he care for the lives of his own family?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>What does his family have to do with it?
Didn't you ALSO kill his family?
10 months ago
Anonymous
What? No, just kill the guy who did it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Tell that to
Yes. But who’s gonna kill me? The only guy who has a motive to kill me is frickin’ dead. >h-his family
I killed them all, too. No more loose ends; the bloodshed stops with me.
Yes. But who’s gonna kill me? The only guy who has a motive to kill me is frickin’ dead. >h-his family
I killed them all, too. No more loose ends; the bloodshed stops with me.
Ok then deal with people getting killed because YOUR guilt is more important than solving the situation, sometimes you just cant pull out a doomsday wiener out your ass.
I'm pretty sure it's a meme or a troll. No one really kills in comics in a way that matters. A few random thugs here and there sure, but it's not like Ultimatum happens every week.
Speaking of which, Cinemaphile for some reason hates the Ultimatum comic.
Don't be stupid. In the world of DC where you have Joker killing millions and getting away with it every single time makes Batman look like an incompetent fool. If he want to keep his rule, good for him (never mind all the death he was responsible). He has no right to force it onto others.
Why DC is super obsessed with the idea of these two fighting all the time when everyone is getting seriously tired of this? Wherever I go, I see people complaining about it and DC is still doing it anyway.
DC is creatively bankrupted. The reason why it happened because they are trying to emulate UTRH success which is also why Batman has been going through the same arc since Morrison.
And you're clearly dumber because you actually think him killing would change anything.
And maybe I'm underestimating you here, but it seems to me like you think there's characters in comics who kill, which is funny.
They try to act like they are smart, but I struggle to have a single intelligent discussion with them. Everyone know that the Joker is around because of muh sales (never mind that Batman doesn't sell as well as he used to), but the issue is that DC need to stop having Batman act all uppity about his code with Jason while they have the jokes running killing millions. It's getting silly and it's actually hurting Batman.
It will always be inherently silly. Batman scolding Jason is a logistical way to prevent him killing Joker (or whoever non-literal who).
Jason could fire a point black magnum shot at Joker's cranium and he won't die. I don't get why people itt find this hard to understand.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is that some people act like Jason is bad because he dare to ask these questions and Batman should "kill" him for it.
I don't want Batman to kill joker because eventually it'll reach a point where there's literally nobody left to protect cuz joker killed them all. Congratulations, Batman. You saved the day.
Except that's never going to happen because it's a fictional story.
You're applying too much logic here.
Joker IS Batman. And since Batman can't die, Joker can't die.
Batman shouldn't kill people
Jason shouldn't become a strawman for killing mass murderers actively trying to murder more people
Additionally people should stop strawmanning batman like he doesn't randomly drop thousands of dollars of cash into charity buckets off whims. Like every third dollar of his isn't invested into local projects to revitalize the community instead of just giving greedy thieves a bundle of cash to stop mugging peopl
People will never stop killing. Even if Batman killed Joker a new dissillusioned nihilistic killer would quickly grow up and take his place. Killing is just senseless, pointless, ineffective slaughter and makes you no better than them.
Frick off with this shit. You’re still good if you’re taking a life to protect others. Especially if the other guy is legitimately evil. Criminals will dehumanize you easy to do whatever they want with you. Best to respond in kind.
They’d actually be afraid of Batman cause they know he wouldn’t be fricking around. Probably why Gotham was the safest cities in the world for KeatonBats in the Flash. No one wanted to frick around and find out.
>all that pseudophilosophical babble about the morality of killing >actually heroes don't kill the villains because without villains they won't get fame
>there's a psycho murderer on the loose killing hundreds >but everyday, he gives you a thousand dollar paycheck
Do you kill him? Or look away? congratulations, you are editorial
Oh I'd kill him, not because he's a psycho murderer but because why would I be content with the crumbs he throws me when I can plunder all his wealth? What does he have to give me that I can't just take? And nobody is going to protect him from me given the fact that he is a psycho murderer
Batman gave Gordon a free pass to kill the Joker at the end of No Man's Land and Gordon didn't do it, and then Gordon reminded Batman of that when Batman wanted to kill Joker in Hush. The prevailing opinion among all Gotham authorities is that Joker must live no matter what he does
>force batman and joker into a vr simulator where batman can fight crime and joker can fight him infinitely
There, I solved the joker batman trolley problem.
The conflict between Batman and Red Hood could easily be solved by simply making it clear that Batman doesn't want Red Hood to kill because he cares about him and doesn't want this life for him instead of making it about Batman's ego.
Not killing criminals is an admirable sentiment if you live in the real world where, in the first world, we can easily keep them locked up as long as we need to.
It will never stop feeling dumb as hell in a comic book story where the villains always escape justice to kill 40 more people. If you had a Batman story where Batman struggled to lock him up and when he finally got him, Joker egged him on to kill him and he went "nah" and Joker spent the rest of his life in prison, that'd be a great moment! But that's not how comics work.
Because killing the Joker's personality and motivation would also result in killing him. But that's actually an intelligent point to bring up for a change. MM should be able to turn him normal WHILE keeping him alive.
You can have a number of plot-holes all leading to the same conclusion: editorial won't let these characters die even if there's a logical reason for it to happen in-universe.
Batman having sex with him and making him his boyfriend
He’d unironically think that’s a better way of proving the world is insane than killing people. Hero shagging the mass murderer to keep him out of jail
I know that he isn't after I actually read his run as Robin, but back then I didn't and I was legit asking myself why Batman made poor a Robin if he was supposedly so bad. I was actually judging Batman here.
Lmao, for real. The writers were trying to absolve Batman from any blame, but they only made it worse for him. If Jason was super bad, why endanger him instead of making sure he get adopted by a nice family? It's not like Jason was demanding him to be a Robin.
Reminder that there would be no problem with the no-kill rule if Joker stayed a campy clown-themed bank robber instead of turning him into a genocidal multiverse-ending threat
My question is, why hasn't Gothan just hanged the Joker? Surely with the amount of mass killings he does every year and the inability to properly contain him the general public's view of the death penalty would've shifted enough for the law to change.
These are unironically the dumbest threads on Cinemaphile, I get a kick out of them every time.
The fact that they somehow focus on Batman for some reason is even funnier, when in effect, every superhero is like this.
Why wouldn't I? It's the exact same as asking "Why didn't Superman solve all of the Earth's issues in 24 hours?" It's the same as asking why didn't DC's God just interfere and fix everything.
People are trying to apply too much logic and it inevitably fails. Like the Joker will ever permanently die. Lmao.
Because Batman is the only major superhero people give a shit about. Any stupidity Peter Parker does can be excused by his teen years. While batman only has mental illness to fall back on. Let's not pretend the casual audience gives a frick about the rest of the justice league/avengers.
Because Batman is the only major superhero people give a shit about. Any stupidity Peter Parker does can be excused by his teen years. While batman only has mental illness to fall back on. Let's not pretend the casual audience gives a frick about the rest of the justice league/avengers.
>Because Batman is the only major superhero people give a shit about
Not at all. I feel like it's some autistic anon who has an obsession with specifically Batman, not knowing that.. all cape characters are Batman when it comes to killing of people that fricking matter.
Anon, 99% of casual audiences didn't give a shit about the avengers til the movies. Look at sales numbers of spiderman/batman compared to all other heroes. The gap is massive.
lets be real with this much emphasis on being responsible for death this has gotta end with selina killing someone and being locked up or batman killing someone and not facing any consequences because everyone is gonna see it as justified
Batman will never kill unless it zurr en arrh. At absolute most, we could see zurr-influenced batman provoke batman to kill joker, only to reveal he killed one of the joker duplicates. And maybe catwoman gives him pitysex or something. But it's okay cuz the clone is immortal and just comes back from the dead, Ala grundy.
>No. I love Batman. I will never leave him. NEVER.
So instead you'll b***h and seethe about the no-kill rule ad infinitum?
It's funny, I always assumed I'm in the minority who likes and prefers superheroes who kill, yet now I found myself one of the few defending the concept of heroes who don't kill.
Then again, I don't prefer long-running series as much as those that are self-contained.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No I just think it's funny to discuss. I don't really care either way.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If it's funny to discuss, why do people get so incredibly butthurt when I point out that virtually everyone in comics is Batman since no major villain has yet permanently died?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I dont know. I don't read comics other than batman, kek.
The thing about Jason is that 1. I feel like he should kill but discerningly, and 2. I feel like he should be part of the Batfamily… but not in the way that he’s Bruce’s wooby son. Moreso in that he’s forced his way in and like it or not he’s part of Batman’s legacy.
Characters that inspire people to discuss different ideas and concepts are my favorite kind of characters which is why Jason is my favorite and Batman too. If the only DC was competent.
Yeah, fools can't deny it all the want, but reality speaks louder. They think they are sticking it to him by making threads like this one, but it only prove further that Jason is actually pretty interesting character.
lets be real with this much emphasis on being responsible for death this has gotta end with selina killing someone and being locked up or batman killing someone and not facing any consequences because everyone is gonna see it as justified
Jason and Selina are both bi. It stems from the fact that a writer (I forget which one) planned on making his anger a result of repressed homosexuality.
Controversy creates clicks.
The next logical step is bisexual batman
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh. The "broke my heart" line. This is the same way you can make Bruce bi in the telltale game. With indirect dialogue like this. Funnily enough, a joker goon once implied joker was bi the same way. I guess it's the easiest way for diversity rep without causing a stir. Just cuz of plausible deniability.
I usually get mad at this, but bat manchildern deserved it for being insufferable.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Mad at what? All capeshit (as with anything american) is gay. I've always acknowledged that Batman is too, but he's an admittedly cool character for the most part. Why does he make people seethe so much?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think people new to comics have just realize no one actually dies in them and are having an existential crisis over it, hence the threads.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If that's true why hasn't batman gotten a boyfriend officially yet? Is it money minmaxxing? Or to not anger batcats? He's already a playboy. Where's the "outs himself as gay to distract that he's actually batman" fiasco?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure it'll happen eventually like all American media.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'm so bored of capeshit I hope it happens soon. But when it does, I can't think of any other goofy fiasco that would cause a stir. A character being trans, making Jim Gordon officiallg black maybe. Dunno. But I feel like identity politics won't cause as much chaos anymore. We need more absurd lore. Like maybe batman just says frick it and starts killing for real.
10 months ago
Anonymous
As long as there's a villain to make money off of, I don't know if Batman or any other capeshit character will start killing for real.
I can't think of many examples. There's characters who """kill""""" but never the people who matter.
>Damian he has always been extremely loyal
Hahaha, no he wasn't and it only matter of time before he start fighting against him again like he usually do and you people will start hating him again.
It was already implied that Batman is going to be completely sperated from his family after the end of Gotham. So, something most happened with Damian too.
Well, the one good thing Gotham War did is making this book pointless. Maybe this will teach a certain fans not to get too full of themselves next time.
I don't think that's the case, otherwise, Zur would still be a problem in the B&R book.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's already confirmed that it's. >Joshua Williamson and Simone Di Meo are working on a new Batman And Robin series, out from DC Comics in a month. I have been asked if it will be set before the current Gotham War series or after it. Well, best as I can work out, neither. It will be set during it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
We'll see how that works.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Probably mean that the book will be mostly ignored. We know that Batman is going to have a "solo" journey in his main series and in Tec following the aftermath of Gotham war.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Fine by me, the main Batman book is kinda ass right now, and Tec is way too intellectual for me.
If I was writing this story I would just have Zur-enn-Arh take over and permanently incapacitate all these ungrateful Bat-"family" wretches by putting them in wheelchairs like Barbara. Imagine Batman snapping Nightwing's neck just right and cackling "Sorry, old chum!"
If it was up to me, I would've had Failsafe mindrape Bruce so that he goes way way back into his mind, so that Zur-En-Arrh can take over and be one true Batman (since he thinks Bruce failed his own mission and killed).
After probably Tim explains to him that he didn't kill anyone and Penguin simply framed him, ZEA and the family will have to work together to get Bruce back.
Then you can have fun moments of Zur interacting with them, being a b***h in general, them missing Bruce, and Zur admitting that Batman needs Bruce Wayne to be at bes working capacity or something.
I actually disagree. Bruce is not just punching criminals and putting them on jail since ever, there are lots of stories focused on him giving former criminals jobs so they don't come back to crime, he created lots of charity institutions to make change in society, the most famous being the Wayne foundation (wich we see a version of it in the end of the Dark Knight Rises).
And Selina point is still flawed, she can't predict these criminals real intentions undergoing her training, she can't predict how the other Gotham villains will react not having henchmen, hell, when any villain of Gotham get on one of these guys and force them to come back working for them, they will have an better trained goon thanks to Selina.
She is not giving them Jobs or oportunity in life, she is training them to do crime, and after theiy receive their training she has no guarantee that they will just keep stealing from the rich (wich is still an crime nevertheless, and has lots of ways of going sideways and someone get killed, wich already happened), for all we know, the moment one of these criminals start to believe they don't want to share anything with Selina they will just start comitting bigger crimes, and that is it, she is responsable for that.
Also, Jason believes in second chances because himself had one, but is really out of character for him to endorse something that absolutelly will go sideways and then he will believe that he needs to end the life of some of these guys.
The concept is fundamentally flowed and everyone on the Batfamily (except for Damian) are out of character to make it work.
everyone apart from Damian being against Bruce. onestly I never liked this theme of growing up the Batfamily and that should stop, some of them didn't have to be there to begin with, and honestly they work better apart with the groups than they did as Nightwing and the Titans, they are already boring with their lousy attempts to be united. It's that this is too stupid with this senseless attempt at Civil War by Selina... A totally annoying character, please DC already stop With making her look like Bruce's love interest, it's already clear enough that that doesn't work and never will.
This question can be applied to most of his rogue's gallery.
As long as there's a villain to make money off of, I don't know if Batman or any other capeshit character will start killing for real.
I can't think of many examples. There's characters who """kill""""" but never the people who matter.
I can't think of any big changes to the mythos or trends that they could exploit then. The latest one is Multiverse. Making everyone gay will have the overwatch effect where people stop caring. So what lever can they pull next to bait audiences? We need click bait.
Why are Jason fans so upset about recent events? Just cause Damian beat him up? I thought that was normal, since Jason is canonically the weakest of the Robins, (hence why he got killed and why he has to rely on deadly weapons to oppose them)
Ignore the triggered idiots, anon. They make seething threads about Jason and then they start crying about how Jason fans are "the ones who are seething".
Joker was right, the batfamily make batman weaker, they hold him back. I always preferred those stories where batman worked alone. This reminded me why. And I guess secret identity means shit considering selena's gang already know red jason and nightwing is dick grayson.
o all these ungrateful ass kids (excluding Damien soooo happy he there for his dad) just up and turn on him and let ppl rob other ppl because Catwoman says so!? They all turn on there number one benefactor, family member and inspired hero who they chose to follow and walk in his footsteps and even indirectly help criminals by not only not stopping them, but by foiling and distracting Batman by fighting him so criminals can rob freely because again, catwoman..??!
Not only that, Catwoman is willing to bleed his money and account and then sell his family manor which literally means everything to him and jeopardize his identity as Batman and Bruce Wayne because he won't let her have ppl become better criminals and Rob others despite knowing how Batman is and how he rolls but chooses to do it anyway? And his entire batfamily is backing her as well!??
Always did, but that doesn't make people like OP less moronic than they are. >why hasn't this popular cash cow killed this other cash cow for the last 80 years
Because.. it's bad for business? Duh
It's always funny to see these threads about western-gays no kill morarily when even the edgy character like Punisher and Jason have accomplished nothing and never killed any villain that mattered
If you want real stakes and adult plots, go read manga. Spering out about comics for children is just embarrassing
Manga/Anime is also for children though. Also, no one in DBZ's death matters since the dragon balls can bring them back anyway.
Goku isn't even a good hero. He risks the Earth's safety all the time.
Anime isn't tailor made for westerners and I can't get into it unless it's specifically an adaptation of a western property. Also, the art can get pretty annoying.
I just hope after this Bruce has nothing to do with Selina, especially romantically. She affects Bruce way too much for no reason.
And the Batfam siding with her is honestly the worst thing to happen to them, they’re literally letting a gang of thieves operate freely and it looks like they have no intention of stopping. Just a bunch of thankless goons, there’s no coming back from this. Blood son won with this event.
>batman kills Jason before Joker
God, I hope this happens one day. My sides would be in orbit.
One day there will be a big Red Hood-centric crossover that ends in Batman and Joker teaming up to beat him to death with crowbars
Lmao I hope
Reminds me of Batman Year Two when Batman and Joe Chill teamed up to defeat a villain and Batman was shooting at him with the same gun that killed his parents
He almost did it in UTRH
How anybody can treat this character even semi-seriously is beyond me.
Batgays are just built differently.
And by "differently", I mean "DIYing it when you lose the screws that came with the pre-assembly"
He literally did kill Jason in UTRH. Jason died when the building collapsed, then Superboy Prime resurrected him a 2nd time.
Joker killed him once, Batman killed him once. And if you count Task Force Z, the third time was Jason killing himself.
How many ripples did superbly prime make? Seems weird that superboy prime resurrected Jason from the grave and resurrected him again from the collapsing building both by accident?
The ripples affected past, present and future. So the first ripple brought his ass back to life years ago. The second ripple did it again a few years later. These ripples were made at the same time, but reached the DCU at different times.
I finally understand the joker, i would also torture this fricking spaz with his hypocrisy with every second i had available if i could
This is the face of a man who accomplished his ultimate troll
I love this trope so much
Really? Cause i hate it.
It destroys the meaning of "hero".
Die.
Never read/watch anything but DC and modern saturday cartoons then.
Most DC heroes kill tho
Coming from Hawkman it's a bit rich.
Why the frick would Spider-Man save Norman of all people? Why would he save any of his villains? Most of those guys are legitimately heinous. And why does he have a no-kill rule in the first place?
I can buy Peter saving some of his villains that he can see some good in them. Post split personality Norman can just die, though.
sauce?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SHOOT A MASS MURDERING PSYCHOPATH WHO JUST ATE AND GORED YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE... BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY??????????
I know right, it's great.
I feel like killing Carnage shouldn't even be a debate. Wasn't he a death row inmate? Frick him.
I hate how Marvel doesn't have a genuine middle ground for this. You either have to be a b***h and just not kill supervillains under any circumstance like Spider-Man or be a psychopathic killer that enjoys that shit way too much like Wolverine.
>DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE HIM?! DO YOU?!
Where did this utterly moronic cope come from?
>That psycho kidnapped a little girl and locked her up in his basement!
>NOOOOO YOU CANT PUT HIM IN PRISON NOOO YOULL BE JUST LIKE HIM
I think he was going to put him in a casket, Anon.
It's fricking Carnage. Kill the fricker.
Im showing how moronic the idea is by changing it from "killing a killer is le bad" to "jailing a jailor is le bad"
What would Ditko Spidey have done in this situation?
Ditko Spidey would have handed the father a flamethrower.
I enjoy a more pragmatic Spider-Man. Making him a bleeding heart just makes him shit and lame. The dude's supposed to be the classical anti-hero AKA the flawed hero. Flawed in the jerk with a heart of gold type of way. Not "flawed" as in the b***h who protects irredeemable monsters because "it's the right thing to do". So fricking lame.
It didn't help.
my homie kaine
stay free
Flash is a fricking soldier. He fought in the Vietnam War/War on Terror. He of all people should understand where Kaine is coming from.
Most superheroes don't operate like soldiers, even the ones that are former soldiers like Captain America, but with that said, I'm certain the even Cap would get tired of Carnage's shit.
Cletus was already a murderous piece of shit before he got Carnage, I don't see why Peter goes out of his way to defend him outside of the fact that symbiotes sell
>if you kill him you'll be just like him
Okay I fricking hate Spider-Man now.
If Petey was so concerned about keeping the guy's hands clean from blood then why didn't he himself finished Cletus right there at the spot?
I swear it sucks for moralgay heroes to have a murderous edgy villains in their rogue gallary because it does nothing but flanderize the hero's character over time.
Most of Spidey's villains ARE murderous. Very few are legit small time crooks. Scorpion is a fricking cannibal without the symbiote. Spidey should ideally be more pragmatic about this shit.
>Scorpion is a fricking cannibal
I missed this development.
I’ve read a ton of his post venom issues and don’t remember either, I think this is in the vein of “Man Mountain Marko is a necrophilliac”.
I don't think Gargan was ever portrayed as a cannibal until he was bonded with the symbiote
This is worse. Spidey has enough power to not have to worry about cops getting after him.
>it's real
>he's dead dead, not injured
Jesus christ. I wish the animated version kept this. This is hilarious.
Batman was the only capeshit I enjoyed and Im starting to genuinely hate him this beyond moronic
Even though the change in the movie of Jason shooting at Bruce was dumb, it still makes more sense than Bruce inexplicably managing to throw a Batarang at Jason hard enough to ricochet it into his shoulder from behind without Jason even managing to twitch and kill Joker.
>Jason shooting at Bruce was dumb
It was perfect, Jason getting pissed at Bruce simply choosing not to play his game
i kinda like the change because jason getting mad at bruce for ignoring and inhis frustration shooting at bruce instead is fitting. i understand not liking how bruce's plan being dependent on jason shooting him though, also he just fricking dodged a bullet what happened to no powers. i liked the movie
Even the writers/director of the UTRH movie didn't make Batman such a b***h
Batman would realistically kill a few criminals every month with the methods we see him employ.
Gotham crooks would have long-term brain damage from being knocked out so much, as well as several who would fall in such a way that their head would crack on the pavement.
Additionally, the various gasses he uses to knock people out could all garner allergic reactions OR kill if improperly dosed.
Add in the heart attack factor, and yes absolutely Batman believes it's fine to kill people.
>realistically
Kys
>ooh le logic, Jayson! I iz so clever
>"All you've got is a head-shot. If you want to stop me, you're going to have to kill me."
Bruce, this is literally what Jason tried to force you to admit twenty years ago. This is not the slam-dunk you think it is.
Pro-tip: the moral and philosophical discussion in this comic is fricking stupid. This is beyond civil war levels of character assassination.
The only way that this comic isn't over in 3 issues is if Batman goes schizo and teams up with half of Arkham. Catwoman training henchmen to get their masters degrees in cat burglar-ing is impossible to take seriously.
No it's a great plan. Train all these criminals to be master thieves but give them rules! Surely they will follow them. Surely there aren't any people who would be lazy and just decide to commit multiple low level robberies with their skills instead of planning heists against rich people.
Surely only targeting the rich wouldn't lead them to get lethal security or organise crime themselves in order to maintain their wealth.
No, Selina thought of everything!
This event is tremendously bad so far. Everyone is ooc to prop up Selina.
>UTRH is almost two decades old
Where does the time go
Final Crisis is over a decade old. Civil War too.
Damian Wayne as a character, is officially younger than his age when he was invented.
Time waits for no man
I meant older. Frick
I really don't get why hack writers do this trope as if it's some sort of gotcha moment. It only makes the character in question look like a massive butthole, rather than having any sort of point.
>If you think I'm going to kill innocent people, then yes, you should kill me
Easy
Murder is wrong no matter who you do it to.
Thinking like that is how you get killed. Criminals will have zero hesitation in killing you and everyone you love.
That’s why they’re criminals, and you are not. Jason doesn’t kill because he’s protecting himself. He kills because he’s a psychopathic mass-murderer who only gets away with it because his daddy lets him get away with it
>he’s a psychopathic
That's Bruce. Jason is just a killer with a motive.
>his daddy lets him get away with it
His "daddy" is stuck in a shitty situation of his own doing. But by all mean, I'd love to see the Bats put Jason on an actual trial to send him into prison. See how publicaly revealing everyone identities and how Bruce Wayne is training orphans for "his war" would go for all of them. All these shit characters need a reality check.
Jason did get sent to prison, while Dick was Batman. Because Jason is a murderer and is clearly wrong.
And was never show getting a trial as he should because DC are hacks who want it easy. That also proved why sending Jason to prison doesn't works; Batman just home delivered criminasl to his doorsteps where he can't do shit about it. And if you're okay with that then you're okay with killing killers, same as Jason.
That's why Jason's punishment should be solitary confinement. End of Story. You lost.
>You lost.
Are you 8? Solitary confinement never stoped any Batman's Rogue. And this is still an admitting defeat since Jason is still not getting a trial, which is his sovereign right and all that jazz.
Wouldn't that just frick his head even more? Hell I'm sure spooky Lazarus curse would even make him see crazy hallucinations or something.
So even if I killed and raped your whole family in front of you, you'll just sit there and take it? What a cuckold mentality
Most heroes with kill-rules still have no issues with breaking bones or turning people into vegetables.
Except Batman apparently
false
What if, ha ha, what if the guys Catwoman eventually turn on her and she ends up in a huge gangrape that Batman has to rescue her out of?
Wouldn't that be thematically funny?
>Bruce killing Jason but not the Joker
I'm fine with it because then I'll be free from DC. I'm just surprised Batgays would want to write Batman deeper into the gutte, though.
They are willing to have Batman get damaged beyond repair as long as they can stick it to Jason fans. This how much Jason and his fans make them seethe.
They hate legacy characters.
Good. Legacy characters suck.
Frick you Dan, your hair will never grow back.
>This how much Jason and his fans make them seethe
Why, though? What about Jason that makes them this triggered? I have noticed that the entire bat trash fanbase are so insecure about him for some reason.
Eh, Jason only exists to antagonize Batman and make snide, seething comments about him so it's unsurprising that a significant contingent of Batman fans would hate him and prefer not to see him around
He's too cool for them
For batman fanboys, because he exposes Batman flaws and hypocrisy whey they can't stand.
For the batfamily fans, it's pretty much a case of them being insecure because he raised to popularity in record time and is arguably the most popular among them.
Pretty much this. If Jason doesn't matter or is irrelevant as they like to pretend, they wouldn't have been this bothered about him.
It's because Jason is a catty little b***h who only shows up to lean against a wall and make quips about other characters, and then when it's go-time he gets his ass handed to him
I think it's pretty understandable that people get attached to their heroes, and they dislike characters who are mean to them and serve as antagonists to them. Yeah Batman is pretty mean too, but it's a conceit of the story that he's a good guy overall with a gruff exterior and some moral dilemmas—Jason Todd is supposed to be a bad guy just because Jason Todd is supposed to be a bad guy, as Robin or as Red Hood. It's pretty simple, I don't think we need to read too much into it.
This is pretty childish and pathetic. They always have Batman and Damian act "mean" to Jason and I don't hate them. I simply hate the way they are being written and how incompetent DC is.
He is trying to come off with excuse and he made it worse. I think this guy
has said it better.
If we went with what he said, then Jason fans have more reason to hate Batman and everyone in the family. Yet, most of them don't.
All we want is decently written stories.
t. Jasongay
I already give up on this a long time ago. Jason will remain my favorite, but I legit dislike DC and I expect nothing from them.
Don't worry, DC is pretty much dying. They failed completely to gain new younger fans and they have lost lot of their older fans. I don't think Batman is selling as he used to and it's only a matter of time.
>I don't think Batman is selling as he used to
Did they recover from the aborted wedding? I hope not.
Nta but I joined after the wedding abortion. I joined because punchline looked hot.
Batman as brand is for sure isn't as strong as it used to. DC really succeeded in damaging him.
They did the same with Harley. People are sick of her, but DC is stil pretending that she is "super popular".
In terms of merch sales, convention presence and online trends she's much higher than even superman. In terms of comic sales not so much but nobody reads anymore. And people who find Harley appealing definitely don't read. With exception of Harleen, which is a bestseller. And frankly much better than the current Harley Quinn ongoing.
>In terms of merch sales, convention presence and online trends she's much higher
You sure? I barely see any trend or mention of her these days.
>than even superman
This isn't saying much. My own students didn't even know who the heck is Superman.
Anon, Harley merch sales is higher than nightwing. It's the third most popular. The first two being Batman and Joker in that order.
Do you have any new source for this? I remember seeing an old chart that prove your point, but I haven't seen any updated one.
Not on hand, but you can look at best sellers in various merch catagories to verify this.
Nightwing's personality doesnt have broad appeal. He's basically a "good guy" but without the edge of batman or childhood appeal of spiderman. He's interesting, but nothing beyond that. Part of batman's appeal is how erratic he can be. Nightwing is more like a role model. Boring.
They need to bring back butthole Nightwing instead of the sunshine oniichan thing he has going on rn
Not with Jason being "the mean Robin". It won't work.
Damian is the "mean" Robin. It could work, since that family is filled to the brim with trauma and endless neuroticism
Damian is the bratty baby Robin.
Bratty, just like his father.
Jason - edgy angsty Robin
Damien - role model Robin
Damien - bratty Robin
Tim - lol, lmao, even.
>Inb4 smart robin
Nobody cares. He stopped being cool once he dropped the cowl for a repainted Robin outfit. And lost his muscles to become a twink.
>Damien twice
*Grayson, frick me I'm tired today
Frick damien
And you couldn't even write Damian right.
That’s just the comics. There’s always the movies and games which is what actually sells.
>movies and games
Not anymore. The Batman didn't do as well as expected and we have reached the point where people no longer are interested in capes.
Jason is the same as Batman though. Why hasn't he killed anyone of importance?
Batman has a greater moral responsibility to kill Jason than he does to kill Joker, since he trained Jason and gave him the knowledge and means to be a murderer
Joker killed 22 millions of people and batman always saved him, Jason only kill murderers. Are you moronic?
Batman has only killed about ~400 people in prime earth continuity
He must’ve killed a couple million in the OMAC attacks
Don't forget metal. Never forget what he did in metal.
Pinning this on him is a bit shit, innit?
When you perform an action you take responsibility for the risks
Batman created a rogue AI with the power to enslave innocent humans, he is not absolved when that AI goes rogue and does what it is built by Batman to do
Kek, what? He is completely responsible for what happened and all the deaths are on him.
Always mention this whenever his tards get uppity.
Sorry, Joker*
But they're batman's fault anyway.
No, they're the justice system's fault. Gotham's legal team could've had the Joker executed a thousand times over.
Even if execution of the insane was legal, batman would just kidnap joker and keep him in the bat cave until he, as Bruce Wayne, persuades the public to make capital punishment illegal again. Batman is unhinged.
No, he wouldn't.
I'm talking from a jokerwank perspective. Batman would easily be OOC before editorial allows him to die.
No he wouldn't since he hasn't stopped it from happening before.
The truth is, the Joker will conveniently be saved by any such situation because he's a Batman of his own.
His solo movie did like a billion dollars. Do you genuinely think DC would kill him off?
Batman stopped joker from being executed because TECHNICALLY he wasn't responsible for that SPECIFIC killing. Ridiculous
This. Anyone else who can't see it is moronic. It's completely irrelevant whether Batman kills or doesn't since the Joker will remain alive just like how every other DC and Marvel hero is alive.
Hell, Batman killed Darkseid for a time and he eventually came back.
Then, the writers should stop having Batman crying about Jason methods because it will only makes him look like a huge hypocrite.
Batman's no-kill rule is a fail-safe by DC to keep their recognizable villains alive. So yes, he's obviously going to have issues with Jason's methods for plot purposes.
They can always bring them back and they did.
The No-kill rule exists because the comics are meant to run forever. But adaptations don’t have this issue as they’re intended to end at some point. Batman can kill the Joker in a movie because the Joker was only ever going to be the villain for that one movie. Even a TV show can have Batman kill the Joker.
Well yeah, it's a no-brainer. Moreover, even characters who do kill in comics magically never kill the important villains, just side-goons.
So to single out Batman means you're a casual who doesn't get how comics work.
Nightwing's would be higher if they gave him the ass he has in the comics.
Meant for
Which is why it’s bullshit when they retain the No-killing rule in the adaptations. Batman not killing the Joker in a movie doesn’t make him look moral, it makes him an idiot. Especially to a general audience. Imagine if Robocop didn’t kill Red and Dick Jones at the end. Or if Stallone didn’t kill Snipes at the end of Demolition Man. Moviegoers would be PISSED.
BATMAN ISN'T A KILLER
HE DOESN'T WANT TO KILL
HE DOESN'T KILL
THAT'S HOW HE IS
HE'S NOT THE PUNISHER OR SOMETHING
Yes because batman values life! All life is sacred!!!
>reinforces abusive fear tactics
>infringes on your right to privacy to get illegal evidence
>tortures you
>breaks every bone in your body, ruining your life
>but it's okay, cuz he paid the medical bills and didn't kill you, lul
All life sacred btw
Batman is an anti-hero who’s too pussy to take the extra step.
Punisher doesn't kill either. All of Marvel's villains are alive last I checked.
That just means he sucks at his job.
Depends on the circumstances. Cops don't automatically just kill every wrongdoer.
In fact, a lot of the time the sentencing of death is applied after a long trial process.
Batman isn't Robocop or Demolition Man holy shit, he's Batman, and Batman doesn't kill.
Why is this so hard to understand? He's not trying to be a cop or a soldier, he's a superhero.
Superheroes can and have killed. The Avengers killed all the time in the MCU and people didn’t give a frick. They loved that shit. Just like how they loved KeatonBats who killed bad guys all the time.
>Avengers
>heroes
Ehhhhh
Either way, Batman is supposed to be a different kind of superhero, if it isn't obvious.
>Superheroes can and have killed
Yeah but not anyone of importance. So Batman having a no-killing rule changes virtually nothing.
Also, most of the Avengers have no-kill rules.
Captain america kills, just not innocents and he isn't a moron to not know when not to do it. Batgays are a bunch of homosexuals
>Captain america kills
If he kills then why is every major villain still alive? Sounds like an even bigger homosexual.
Because they're incompetent and suck at their jobs, simple as.
Aren't the Avengers supposed to be Earth's mightiest heroes? Why are so many villains still alive?
Because comics need to run forever. The movies don’t have this issue and most of their villains are dead.
Right. I pointed this out early into the thread but people keep ignoring it.
Yet, it's literally the answer to everyone's head scratching.
Lmao this
A hero who kills but all his major villains are alive is a failure
Why batman dont upgrade arkham instead of letting the morons go out?
Cap is a soldier. He’s killed plenty before. He ain’t afraid to take a life to protect the innocent.
Except lives that would actually make a difference, like major villains with actual power.
They killed Thanos twice, dude. Thor decapitated him the first time.
There's a reason people love Marvel more
These are movies. Batman has also killed in most of them. But keep coping.
>Marvelgays can only bring up the movies
lol
lmao
Comics are gay.
Then the entire thread is irrelevant. Batman kills, end of story.
If the justice system is corrupted enough that they keep releasing these mass murdering psychopaths why the frick does Batman keep delivering them to it? Why doesn't he root out the corruption first?
Because there would be no more comic books. But yes, technically you can solve all of the DC/Marvel worlds' problems pretty much overnight. A couple of casters can do it on their own.
Killing criminals is also illegal
Being a vigilante is illegal
Do you think that when Jason opens fire into a crowd of thugs, he is personally vetting the rapsheets of each and every one of them to make sure they are murderers and not just, say, thieves or dealers or hired muscle?
Makes no difference
What's the source of this quote
It's a meme.
Kill 101 and the number goes down 100, and no, you dont get their numbers because you arent assimilating homosexual
Yes you literally do moron
Legit one the worst excuses I have seen. Never mind the irony.
No he didn’t, Jason specifically had to get more training because Batman’s was all non-lethal. It was from high-class murderers and criminals before flashpoint and the monk warrior cult All-Caste after it.
This has got to be one of the stupidest reasons to pit heroes against each other I’ve ever read.
Like all it takes is one robbery to go wrong and it turns into a Martha and Thomas Wayne situation, how the frick can these supposed heroes not realize that?
Bruce literally brought that exact point up and Selina just started screeching at him shrilly not to yell at her in front of her kids (Selina acting like she's the matriarch of the batfamily or some shit, frick off; lmao)
As much as the event seems to villainise Bruce I can't help but think it's definitely gonna end with that happening so is it tryna say he's right? They're never gonna keep this professional criminal thing long-term in the comic
>batman only punches people and spends his money on batcars and not gotham
So they put THOSE comic fans in charge for this huh?
woof, not Hawthorne’s best work
I hope Selina kills Bruce
Why? She's a mega c**t also. Her and Batman deserve each other.
Ideally they both kill eachother
Batman literally did this already
He killed jason to save his heckin jokerino
It's true. If jason the edgelord wants bruce to kill Joker then Jason is a cowardly hypocrite who would need to kill himself as well, or kneel like the criminal dog he is and have Bruce kill him. And Bruce should kill everyone in the Batfamily who have killed. Dick has. Cass has. Steph has. Damian has. Tim has.
This is how you get Batman turning into The Joker. Jason's just too stupid to realise that.
Bruce also killed people. Remember the dude that wanted revenge after jason killed his brother?
>And Bruce should kill everyone in the Batfamily who have killed. Dick has. Cass has. Steph has. Damian has. Tim has.
Including himself. He shot Darkseid to death, remember? Or remember how he purposely browbeat Composite Superman into ripping his own head off? And I'm decently sure there are instances of him killing cannon fodder non-human beings too. Bruce is a fricking hypocrite.
Darkseid survived and it was Flash/Superman who defeated him, Composite Superman killed himself.
>Darkseid survived
Batman didn't know that and was shooting to kill.
>Composite Superman killed himself
Of course a batgay would have reading comprehension problems.
>purposely browbeat Composite Superman into ripping his own head off
He (and Superman) explicitly and purposely drew a mentally unwell sentient being to suicide, and unlike Superman, who at least showed willingness to stop CS from unaliving himself, Batman didn't care in the slightest. This is just as much of a murder as handing a suicidal person a loaded gun fully knowing he will blast his head off.
Your logic is moronic.
Didn’t Punisher do literally just this? He basically killed every single hero and villain on the entire planet, and then killed himself at the end, acknowledging that he was part of the problem. And the world was a safer place as a result of all of it, proving him right.
Except that's wrong, cause the same comic pointed out that no matter what they do, more metahumans will be born in the future, more mutates will come back from the dead, and inevitably a new generation of superheros will show up to replace the fallen. The guys who gave him all the toys he needed to kill the current crop were outright planning to use him as their attack dog to murder anyone with a superpower for the rest of his natural borne existence, and it's only him turning his employers into plasma that kept that from happening. So in the end, he didn't do anything with a lasting impact, just filled more graves with corpses.
Killing every villain in the world has a pretty damn big lasting impact tho. And he did it in a way that didn’t make him a hypocrite, so good on him.
It's Marvel, buddy. Considering people get mutated by irradiated puddles of water, I would give it a week before New York was going up in flames with a horde of supervillains now free to loot the city down to its foundations now that there's no Spider-Man or Fantastic Four to stop them.
Batman not killing the Joker
Batman beating up police officers trying to shoot the Joker
Batman spying on the Joker and taking precautions to make sure he's never in danger
Batman saving the Joker from a burning building before everyone else
Batman bringing an injured Joker to a hospital and forcing the doctors to stop helping other people so they can operate on the Joker
Batman killing Jason because he wants to kill the Joker
Batman jumping in front of a bullet to save the Joker
Batman doing the Jokers' dirty jobs because that lowers the chance of him doing it himself and being in danger
Batman following the Joker's orders as to not cause stress to the Joker and give him a heart attack
Batman killing innocent people for the Joker because theyre endangering the Joker by going against him and causing him stress
Batman helping Joker rule over Gotham to minimize the chances of him dying
There HAS to be an in-universe explanation for this at one point. What would it be? That he subconsciously loves the Joker as much as Joker loves him? I don't think that would work either. He wouldn't do all the shit he does for Joker for Selina or Talia. So what gives? How can it be explained? Will DC finally canonize that Batman is severely mentally ill, in ways that cause this?
If this isn't love then I don't know what is
>joker has openly admitted this
>batman has openly acknowledged this
>batman still hates him and wants to kill him
>and yet, continues to restrain himself
One rule is bullshit. Empathy is bullshit. Mental illness is the only explanation. What will it take for Batman to acknowledge he won't kill Joker because he's fricked in the head and clearly, irrationally, prioritizes Joker's life over people like Jason?
Does Joker really deserve to die? If Bruce killed him he'd be just as bad as he is.
>muh solo Batgay
>Jason deserves to be in prison!!!
Where's unhinged Damigay to complete the trifecta?
The unbelievable level of seethe from people who bootlick Elon Musk and Bill Gates has made this my favourite comic event of the last decade.
>"NOOOO!!! Stealing is wrong, even if you do it to a billionairinooooo!!!!!"
Can't wait to feel this schadenfraude a thousandfold when the untenable economic model collapses and you neckbeards line the streets to weep and moan.
Who are you quoting, homosexual?
Batman was a billionaire and he saw his parents get killed for it.
But of course you didn't think of that, idiot.
You think everyone should just pretend things are okay and quit they're batching as if shit isn't 4 times as expensive as it used to be?
I don't condone stealing either, but frick rich people.
Says the moron trying to install Zimbabwe economics.
poorhomosexuals are genuine filth who's only goal in life is to parasitize and steal from anyone marginally more unfortunate then them. It doesnt stop with Gates or Bezos or Musk no, eat the rich means eat everybody richer then you. On Instagram there was this whole campaign of "shoplifting is okay" and some of them were saying "dont shoplift from walmart, shoplift from mom & pop stores because they are the little bourgois" or whatever commie babble they use. When blacks move into safer cleaner areas they themselves start to grow averse to hood homies because they and any sane person knows that this mob mentality of "eat the rich" is driven by pure envy and greed. These people by the way are no different to Gates and Musk and all the greedy robber barons except that the robber barons were lucky and had connections, whereas these guys never reached their level. Two breeds of the same mosquito
I detest commies and the sociopathic uber rich.
>i stand for nothing
Cope
you can be sane and not an fringe fundamentalist extremist. Although seriously, who has ever sided with the uber-rich? Those people turn industries into monopolies and kill any competition
You see the problem with Damian Wayne has always been governed by three things: An accident, drama bait, and constant immaturity.
In a lack of a better words, Damian was accident. In storyline, he was never met to be something greater. He was merely a thought brought back from Kingdom Come. Here's the thing, he was always an accident back in KC, and now. He is an unintentional being, brought forth only for drama bait, not his character development but a reaction to him.. His entire existent exists is that. `Now that's fine and dandy, the character could be something greater due to the drama he brings, but here's the thing. He's stuck in a constant state of ass whining, it's like a piece of turd stuck in your rectum that won't come out. He's an accidental poop that just won't come out, and be gone with it.
He's an accident, and keeps making accidents. It's what he's known for nowadays, like how Tim Drake is known for being gay, Dick Grayson with a large ass, Jason Todd being a loner baby, and Bruce Wayne being a loner. He's a constant accident who keeps making it, and ultimately makes him an idiot who refuses to learn by design. It's like seeing someone that tries their hardest to win but always looses at the end. Kinda pathetic really, and makes you wanna just not see the character anymore. Though, that'd probably a better fate.
Damian really should have been killed, and forgotten. He could have been the New Jason Todd to inspire Tim and Bruce to become greater characters. Instead, he's an accidental boy who whines only to please the crowd when he gets abused by other members of the DC universe. He is literally built for abuse. Is that what you want from a character? Abuse? Do Damian Wayne fans really want to see their character be in constant abuse?
What I'm saying is that Damian is a piece of turd, it's gross to look at, but you just want to see it a split second and leave. Problem is, the smell is still with you.
Hope you have a great day, Timgay!
The problems with Tim Drake started with Dan Didio and Dick Grayson, along with Jason Todd then Damian Wayne.
Didio wanted tom make Tim into his vision of the iconic Robin archetype. Teen Titans, dead parents, etc. This was all done with the expectation that Dick Grayson would be killed off in Infinite Crisis, so Tim could step up as Batman's heir apparent. But then Dick didn't die. Last minute change. The plans for Tim still played out the same. Bruce adopts Tim. Tim moves into Dick's old bedroom. Tim leads the Teen Titans. Tim is still destined to become Batman. Tim even starts calling himself Tim Wayne. With Dick off in New York this status quo could have worked... but then Grant Morrison came along.
The real problem was Morrison picking Dick Grayson to be the next Batman. DC spent over half a decade prepping Tim for that role and Morrison blueballed the entire character arc. To make it worse, Tim couldn't even wait it out as Robin, because Morrison wanted to use Damian. But because DC spent so much time destroying Tim's old life to make him more "iconic", Tim didn't have anything to fall back on.
The New 52 made it clear that DC really had no idea what to do with the character. Damian as Robin was a hit. Nightwing was as popular as ever. Jason Todd was alive and an anti-hero. Barbara was back as Batgirl. Tim Drake no longer had a role to fill in the Batman Family. And here we are a decade later and nobody still has any idea what to do with him.
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Jason coming back makes Tim's story of becoming Robin pointless, he was supposed to be the successor to the failure of Jason's Robin. But with Jason coming back? Whoops, all that guilt that Bruce had, and Tim's pressure to live up, and surpass Jason is all gone. It displaced Tim's role in the Batfamily, but he still has a role in competing with Jason to prove that he's better than Jason as a Robin. But then Damian happened, and we all know that story.
Tim's role to be the successor of Jason was dashed, but it was still to be the light to Jason's dark. With Jason alive, has to prove himself better. But Damian fricking Wayne came in. He stole Tim's role as Robin, thereby not even giving Tim a formal leave, or grand storyline, of exiting his Robin mantle that he made popular during his generation. Damian stole all of it, but I can forgive that Pre-New 52, as Tim was still a big player. But then New 52 came in, and retconned all of this shit, with Jason being goody with the Batfamily, and Damian being pushed hard. Damian being added to the cast displaced Tim's role even more, with Jason being there, and a new Robin in the role. Tim's role and place was basically frick all.
Frick Dick, Jason and Damian, they're the reason why Tim Drake is in a hot mess right now. Dick should have left Tim alone, and Jason/Damian should have at least kept one of them dead.
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Who cares about that homosexual
It's over for Tim.
>(1/2)
Please don't.
What's the next pasta going to be about?
Tim Drake copy pasta was originally seething about Damian and Jason, but an anon added Dick to it (Credits to this anon https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139065084/#q139066124). The Damian Wayne one was a response to Damigay in the latest Batman storytime thread.
Jason and Steph are in for a due. Problem, don't know enough about Steph for a full copypasta.
Reminder that the answer to every bat related question has, and will always be, rape.
>muh beating up criminals leads nowhere because there will always be criminals
If you're told doing crime will lead to a six foot human fridge pushing your shit in you're gonna stop that immediately.
>muh beating up criminals gives them brain damage
No damage from rape, only pleasure.
>Muh rehabilitation
A good dicking would have very easily fixed Talia, Harley, Selina, Ivy, and whomever else I've forgotten.
>Muh poverty
Rape costs nothing, the dick is already there. The rest of Wayne's money can go into other ventures
>muh batman trains children
This way he'll have to resort to adults for his bat rape army.
>muh X died
Won't happen because after a good rape no one would even be able to clench their asses long enough to line up a shot against any of the bat rape family
Rape is the one and only way to a brighter Gotham. Support Rape. Thank Rape.
You can't bring up the fact that Batman doesn't kill his enemies cause any possible answer is just completely fricking stupid
Jason is still wearing this silly get-up, I see.
Bring back the helmet and leather jacket.
This whole Selina war thing is super moronic. Jason with the hoodie and face mask is also terrible.
Modern DC is garbage and I wish they would stop making bad stuff with characters I like.
It's fine to kill bad guys (murderers, terrorists, dictators).
It's evil to kill good guys (including good guys who kill bad guys - which is inherently an act of good).
no
Do you guys think maybe batman is severely autistic and the only reason he doesn't kill joker is because his facial expressions are very easy to read?
The no-kill rule is for brand and IP preservation. Good writers have the characters follow this corporate rule while making them not look like castrated idiots.
frick you for making me laugh anon frick hahahhaa
The best explanation I’ve ever seen is from Tynion’s Zur En Ar arc, that Bruce is just extremely empathetic to a fault. He’s one of the few people in Gotham who sees beyond Joker’s surface and sees he’s clearly just an injured soul lashing out against a world that hurt him. So no matter how much harm Joker causes him he can’t bring himself to harm Joker and be part of the unfortunate world that created them both
Will Joker ever join the Batfamily (even as a temp gag)? I feel like some sort of progression needs to be made to make tolerating his Hitler-esque crimes. If Harley could, why can't he? Surely Bat can look past a couple (hundred) murders.
In Last Knight on Earth Joker permanently joins the Batfamily and becomes Bruce’s Robin
Note the Black guy in a yellow suit taking a selfie with Joker. Joker drove his parents insane and they were locked up in an insane asylum for the rest of their lives. That’s his origin story.
Also this is set in New 52 and Justice League Perpetua timeline, which means Joker killed all of Nightwing’s family in Haley’s circus, turned Gordon’s son into a serial killer, crippled and raped Batgirl and turned the bald chick’s brother evil
It was just a prank bro
It is what it is
The frick happened to Wonder Woman and Babs?
That has the excuse of joker being dormant for what, hundreds of years? Also joker was a head and was at the whims of not!batman. I wanna see present day joker join the Batfamily in main batbooks. I wanna see what contrived scenario they draw up for that situation to happen. Gimme some dumbass goku vegeta teamup shit that lasts a full arc, not just vs the man who laughs. People complain about joker hogging villain time and I think this is the most goofy kino solution to keep villains while also giving joker screentime to minmax money. If they can tolerate mass crime and Jason's murders, this is the next logical step.
Batman Europa was basically this
Okay, now do it again in main batbooks while also not making Bane look like a petty moron. (and give joker a fun costume)
I hate Batman now. He’s a full blown moron, a sheer hypocrite at that. I hope someone kills him and Joker out of spite. Frick those two homosexuals.
Batman and Joker are DC. There would be no DC without them.
DC isn’t even good right now. And Batman wasn’t the most popular back then when comics actually mattered. Just let it die. The dceu is a failure, joker 2 will flop, James Gunn is not going to save anything, Batman is complete ass right now, the animated movie sales are dropping, and comicbook sales are shit right now. Capeshit needs to die and get wiped off the face of the earth.
Oh no, whatever we are going to do without DC!!
We'd still have Sailor Moon at least
Literally nothing of value would have been lost.
This prove that Batman mission is failure and he is doing nothing to improve the situation in Gotham and is actually making it worse for everyone.
What is some capeshit of value?
This is why I prefer KeatonBats. KilmerBats as well.
Too bad James Gunn hates Keaton movies. Batman is doomed.
>Too bad James Gunn hates Keaton movies.
Gunn can eat a dick.
I think most people prefer earlier versions of Batman. My ideal Batman is humorous. The brooding paranoia gets boring real fast.
Batman TAS struck a good balance of a Batman that could smile, take it easy sometimes, and bond with others while also being able to scare the shit out of criminals. He was competent without being hypercompetent, a good fighter without being untouchable, a smart guy while not being the smartest guy, and had high tech stuff without being too high tech and bringing into question as to how he doesn't instantly win his fights if he has shit like Batmechs, super suits, and all that other bullshit he just happens to forget when he's not doing JL shit.
I need the schumacher cut of Batman forever
There's some fanedits that try to get as close as possible to the original vision. It works.
Thanks. I'll try to find them. I heard rumors that bastard Kevin Smith has the Schumacher cut
The original draft of Batman Forever sounded like kino.
Reminder they’re immediately scheduling a Batman vs Joker arc immediately after this.
Even DC know these Catwoman-simping female writers suck so much that they have to regularly dose the run with Joker just to bring the sales back up after they crash it down.
>if you kill the murderous psychopath... you will immediately start killing everyone who jaywalks
Batman believes this
Batman #138 looking good
https://youtube.com/shorts/iiUgEtaq26o?si=6o8Ln317OoCApwnx
So what's Catwoman's plans for the people that have superpowers, wizard like technology, or are just crazy?
I don't know the context of this but I like to think Jason says
>No, I got a better idea 🙂
then they end up tying up Barbara and force her to watch them murdering commissioner Gordon in a father-son bonding moment followed by them drinking beers on the patio in the Wayne estate on pool chairs watching the sunset while Alfred delivers party snacks.
If joker was a woman, how would batman's behavior change?
Nothing changes.
The hammer of justice is unisex
there would be a thousand bastard clown children stories made with stolen bat sperm over the comics history
>stolen
I wish to live in that world
She is simply Martha Wayne
If Joker was a woman, half of AO3 would just be Batman/Joker stories
Be the change you want to see, anon
Jason, what if I told you there is a way to fix crime and gain the moral upper hand on the Bats?
Trust me Jason. I'll be the father Bruce never was. Together, we'll do what must be done and save Gotham.
You might be onto something there gordon..
I need some feedback on this idea, but what if we changed Jason's main objective from
>Kill the Joker/Prove Bruce's wrong
To
>Shitting on Bruce for enlisting Tim and Damian even after his death
?
How about both? Since they're all dramatic as hell
Because we clearly can't kill the jokah. And have him be protective over the Child Soldiers is a more of a "noble" goal for him to have.
>then why shouldn't I kill you?
Because you won't you fricking pussy.
>Fights people that fill graveyards
>NO KILL!
>Fights family thinking/planning about killing
>I WILL KILL YOU!
Batman is such a gay. It's not even funny.
Why is batman so loyal to the law when it comes to capital punishment, but breaks pretty much all other laws? And also believes all life is sacred? He says he trusts the will of the people but the court system is notoriously corrupt.
Because killing is what separates him from the people he's after
Sounds arbitrary, considering the damage he does to their bodies. I'd rather be dead than severely hospitalized.
>I'd rather be dead than severely hospitalized.
Just walk it off. 'Member when Bruce Wayne was in a wheelchair? He walked it off. It's that easy, bro.
Well, I wouldn't
Shit like this is why adaptations reign supreme over the source. They have the advantage of removing the dumbass bullshit that plagues the characters and setting.
Lads... is Alfred still dead? Don't sugarcoat it, please.
Yes and the fact that he's stayed dead is the only respectable thing DC has done as of late.
>Inb4 he's brought back next run
Giving an ongoing to Tom King was a mistake.
>unironically defending the no-kill rule
Y’all are just meming right? The whole point of Batman’s no-kill rule is that it’s meant for Batman and ONLY Batman. It comes from his fragile mental state formed from the childhood trauma of seeing his parents murdered in front of him. Mentally, he is STILL a child, and like a child, he is a sociopath with no natural sense of morality, because that tends to develop later in life. Bruce realizes how broken he is, and realizes how easily he could go on a guilt-free mass murder spree, but still wants to do good in the world, so he forces himself to adhere to a strict no-kill rule. It is NOT a part of his genuine moral code; it is an ARTIFICIAL code to compensate for his lack of inner moral conscience. He cannot understand when killing is or isn’t wrong, so he just forces himself to never kill, even when not killing results in innocents dying, because at least then, it’s not directly his fault.
Superman doesn’t need a code. Flash doesn’t need a code. Green Lantern doesn’t need a code. ONLY Bruce does. It is an EXPLICIT character flaw for Batman, and getting over his rule and learning to kill responsibly like everyone else should be considered character development, NOT “OOC writing”.
Killing is bad anon.
>Superman doesn’t need a code. Flash doesn’t need a code. Green Lantern doesn’t need a code.
Lol wut? All of their main villains are still alive dude. Not having a code is cooler on paper but even more moronic in execution.
I guess not.
schizo
'ranny
yes, you are clearly that too
'akes on to 'now one
Bunch of homosexuals
quiet, insect
Because for Superman, all his villains are genuine challenges for him, to the point where he couldn’t kill them even if he tried. For Flash, it’s the opposite: his villains understand how weak they are compared to Flash, so they keep their crimes PG-13 so as not to piss off the guy who can vibrate them from existence in an attosecond. The only exception to that is Reverse-Flash, who is on-par with Flash, and is separated from the timeline so he literally cannot die even if he wanted to.
>ecause for Superman, all his villains are genuine challenges for him, to the point where he couldn’t kill them even if he tried.
Yeah, I'm sure he couldn't kill Lex Luthor from 200 miles with his heat vision.
You're dumb, dude. I'll give you the real reason Flash will never vibrate his molecules through the Joker, it's because the Joker is a popular character who rakes in money by himself.
>Y’all
>tranime
Didn't even read lmao. Hope Cinemaphile is smart enough to recognize bait when it's cast
I don't mind Batman having a code, but it's super ridiculous at this point after everything him and his villains have done.
Batman isn't an executioner.
He’s a vigilante. Who gives a shit?
Batman, he's specifically trying to NOT kill people.
By saving the guy who’s ready to murder and rape by the thousands?
Him not having a code would make even less sense, that's the issue. You can't realistically kill Batman's rogues gallery because it's like killing the bat family, or killing Superman or whoever else.
They are moneymakers. There is no real difference between Bats and Joker except one is a protagonist and the other an antagonist.
Flash has super speed so killing isn’t necessary. It only becomes an option when dealing with other speedsters. Barry killed Thawne when he tried to murder his second wife after he previously murdered Iris. Snapped his neck at super speed. Get fricked you yellow frick.
Why DC is super obsessed with the idea of these two fighting all the time when everyone is getting seriously tired of this? Wherever I go, I see people complaining about it and DC is still doing it anyway.
So much psychopaths itt right now
>Yeah dude killing is okay as long you're morally justified
Okay and who made you the judge to decide what's justified or not?
Moral relativists are a fricking joke.
The guy I’m killing after he decided to kill my entire family?
Ever heard of the Golden Rule: “Treat others the way you want to be treated”? Well it goes both ways: “Treat others the way they treat you.” Killers make it very clear how they expect to be treated, so it’s only polite to reciprocate.
But if you kill a killer would it be ok to kill you?
The killer killed a innocent, you did self-defense.
Yes. But who’s gonna kill me? The only guy who has a motive to kill me is frickin’ dead.
>h-his family
I killed them all, too. No more loose ends; the bloodshed stops with me.
>But who’s gonna kill me?
Someone else or the government for example.
For what motive? Random people don’t care about random deaths unrelated to them.
Are you moronic? If you go out right now and kill someone you'll get arrested. Depending on the circumstances, you might get a death penalty.
>man rapes my son
>kill him in court
>OH NO I’M GONNA GET THE HECKIN’ CHAI-
>oh wait the entire jury has common sense and dropped all my charges
>turns himself in for tax evasion cuz tax evasion is illegal, and he must face justice for crimes he knew was wrong but still partook in
>doesn't just kill the joker and turn himself in
The only thing injustice did right
That's an outlier. Not everyone is that lucky. Otherwise, everyone would just be taking matters into their own hands.
>His family
But what about friends of the family huh? What about families of the friends? What about friends of the families of the friends?
Considering if
>they know who you are
>the guy is a piece of shit and almost has no friends
I covered my tracks. They’ll never know it was me. There will be no spark to light their fire for vengeance. They will die ordinary, peaceful, empty deaths, and with them, the cycle of bloodshed will also die.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, you're supposed to be better than the killer, honor your family with life, not death.
I am better. I’m not the one who murdered innocents here. I didn’t kill my parents or my baby siblings, he did. I’m doing the world a favor by removing the evil frick and preventing him from hurting anyone ever again.
You still roped his family into your petty killing grudge with him, you're as bad and arguably worse.
Whose family? The killer’s?
What does his family have to do with it? In fact I'd say killing him is saving his own family from him, what's preventing him from turning around and slaughtering them? He's already proven he has little regard for the lives of others why would he care for the lives of his own family?
>What does his family have to do with it?
Didn't you ALSO kill his family?
What? No, just kill the guy who did it.
Tell that to
I'd be far worse then any killer if I let him walk around killing as he pleased
>anime girl pic
>acts likes he's tough
I can smell your grease anon
Ok then deal with people getting killed because YOUR guilt is more important than solving the situation, sometimes you just cant pull out a doomsday wiener out your ass.
I'm pretty sure it's a meme or a troll. No one really kills in comics in a way that matters. A few random thugs here and there sure, but it's not like Ultimatum happens every week.
Speaking of which, Cinemaphile for some reason hates the Ultimatum comic.
Don't be stupid. In the world of DC where you have Joker killing millions and getting away with it every single time makes Batman look like an incompetent fool. If he want to keep his rule, good for him (never mind all the death he was responsible). He has no right to force it onto others.
DC is creatively bankrupted. The reason why it happened because they are trying to emulate UTRH success which is also why Batman has been going through the same arc since Morrison.
Me. I gave myself the right. Who are you to disagree when I can give myself the right to kill you as well?
Jesus fricking Christ, and I thought the Spiderman threads were unhinged.
It's underage kids who don't understand how the comic book business works.
If the topic is too mature for you simply leave.
lol
Batman tards are the last people to talk about maturity.
And you're clearly dumber because you actually think him killing would change anything.
And maybe I'm underestimating you here, but it seems to me like you think there's characters in comics who kill, which is funny.
They try to act like they are smart, but I struggle to have a single intelligent discussion with them. Everyone know that the Joker is around because of muh sales (never mind that Batman doesn't sell as well as he used to), but the issue is that DC need to stop having Batman act all uppity about his code with Jason while they have the jokes running killing millions. It's getting silly and it's actually hurting Batman.
It will always be inherently silly. Batman scolding Jason is a logistical way to prevent him killing Joker (or whoever non-literal who).
Jason could fire a point black magnum shot at Joker's cranium and he won't die. I don't get why people itt find this hard to understand.
The problem is that some people act like Jason is bad because he dare to ask these questions and Batman should "kill" him for it.
>brainlet can't figure out why DC can't kill Joker permanently
>tells others the topic is mature
>mature
L M A O
bruh
I don't want Batman to kill joker because eventually it'll reach a point where there's literally nobody left to protect cuz joker killed them all. Congratulations, Batman. You saved the day.
You people always come up with the most ridiculous reasons to explain why the Joker should stay alive.
Sorry. I work for DC editorial.
Except that's never going to happen because it's a fictional story.
You're applying too much logic here.
Joker IS Batman. And since Batman can't die, Joker can't die.
>joker is batman
I will now read your run
Batman shouldn't kill people
Jason shouldn't become a strawman for killing mass murderers actively trying to murder more people
Additionally people should stop strawmanning batman like he doesn't randomly drop thousands of dollars of cash into charity buckets off whims. Like every third dollar of his isn't invested into local projects to revitalize the community instead of just giving greedy thieves a bundle of cash to stop mugging peopl
People will never stop killing. Even if Batman killed Joker a new dissillusioned nihilistic killer would quickly grow up and take his place. Killing is just senseless, pointless, ineffective slaughter and makes you no better than them.
>actually believing why DC dont kill their cash cow
Frick off with this shit. You’re still good if you’re taking a life to protect others. Especially if the other guy is legitimately evil. Criminals will dehumanize you easy to do whatever they want with you. Best to respond in kind.
Batman may as well give up and stop wasting his time, money and effort then
Oh shut up. If criminals know that there's a huge consequence for their crimes, they would less likely dare to commit them.
They’d actually be afraid of Batman cause they know he wouldn’t be fricking around. Probably why Gotham was the safest cities in the world for KeatonBats in the Flash. No one wanted to frick around and find out.
They should just have some rando Gothamite come up and shoot joker in the back of the head when Jokers making a big meme speech to batman.
I was thinking of writing a fic with that premise.
care to post it here?
Except this can't happen. Joker is the sole reason Batman has a no kill rule.
People always complain about Batman never killing joker but why don't they ever complain about other people in Gotham killing him?
You'd think a civilian or a cop would have enough and just shoot Joker.
He'll even some of the villians might get angry at Joker for being a liability and shoot him
>all that pseudophilosophical babble about the morality of killing
>actually heroes don't kill the villains because without villains they won't get fame
>there's a psycho murderer on the loose killing hundreds
>but everyday, he gives you a thousand dollar paycheck
Do you kill him? Or look away?
congratulations, you are editorial
Oh I'd kill him, not because he's a psycho murderer but because why would I be content with the crumbs he throws me when I can plunder all his wealth? What does he have to give me that I can't just take? And nobody is going to protect him from me given the fact that he is a psycho murderer
Calm down, Penguin
Batman gave Gordon a free pass to kill the Joker at the end of No Man's Land and Gordon didn't do it, and then Gordon reminded Batman of that when Batman wanted to kill Joker in Hush. The prevailing opinion among all Gotham authorities is that Joker must live no matter what he does
The Gotham elite are just Khorne cultists who glorify and venerate murderers
>force batman and joker into a vr simulator where batman can fight crime and joker can fight him infinitely
There, I solved the joker batman trolley problem.
The conflict between Batman and Red Hood could easily be solved by simply making it clear that Batman doesn't want Red Hood to kill because he cares about him and doesn't want this life for him instead of making it about Batman's ego.
You are asking too much of DC. They love their "meanie" Batman and refuse to let it ago even it damaged Batman.
Well, this how it was handled in GK (and the movie).
The conflict between have been solved literally multiple times and broken immediately after everytime because DC love their edge.
Not killing criminals is an admirable sentiment if you live in the real world where, in the first world, we can easily keep them locked up as long as we need to.
It will never stop feeling dumb as hell in a comic book story where the villains always escape justice to kill 40 more people. If you had a Batman story where Batman struggled to lock him up and when he finally got him, Joker egged him on to kill him and he went "nah" and Joker spent the rest of his life in prison, that'd be a great moment! But that's not how comics work.
Why doesn't Jason just kill the Joker? Is he stupid?
He's not as good as he pretends to be.
He did. He actually killed him (one of jokers at least).
Go away Johns, Three Jokers isn't canon.
>three jokers isn't canon
No, but multiple jokers is. Pay attention to the joker and batman ongoing
>no future Robin!joker and clone!batman adventures
>all while raising good morals to baby supes with auntie diana
It's not FRICKING fair
Then why doesn't Jason just kill all Jokers? Is he stupid?
Editorial
So he IS stupid!
You are trying to prove a point, but only making yourself look worse.
>You are trying to prove a point
Please tell me because I don't know what that point is lol
Everybody in batman is stupid
Two-Face isn't stupid 🙁
In the current joker ongoing, he's trying to. He killed clayface joker and is currently hunting the other ones.
Because Batman (and a certain self rightous Batgirl) wouldn't let him.
Unironically yes, Jason is stupid.
>Unironically
Yeah, he is "stupid" for exposing Batman, eh?
He hasn't revealed his identity to the public so maybe he isn't stupid enough.
Because DC can't kill the Joker.
Aside from Batman death/retiring or magic pills, what's the most realistic way for Joker to become sane longterm?
Not realistic at all, but I liked Last Knight on Earth.
Is it sad I wish there was a sequel?
Nah, I also kinda want one, I was disappointed it didn't get its own designated Earth in the new Multiverse.
What the frick did they do to Wonder Woman?
Made her hot
Mohawks on a woman isn’t hot.
Yeah, they have to be fully bald for them to be hot.
Disgusting.
You're weak.
I'm okay with it being a one off story. But the world/concept of last knight on earth interesting
Villains are her hair
>ends with batman and joker raising a baby together
What did Snyder mean by this?
Because killing the Joker's personality and motivation would also result in killing him. But that's actually an intelligent point to bring up for a change. MM should be able to turn him normal WHILE keeping him alive.
You can have a number of plot-holes all leading to the same conclusion: editorial won't let these characters die even if there's a logical reason for it to happen in-universe.
Batman having sex with him and making him his boyfriend
He’d unironically think that’s a better way of proving the world is insane than killing people. Hero shagging the mass murderer to keep him out of jail
This is inevitable. It's only a question of when DC Editorial has the balls to do it.
If Jason is "stupid", why did Batman made him a Robin and got the poor kid killed?
He did it as a joke, he thought it'd be funny.
I remember asking myself this question back in the day when I read a story that went on and on about how "bad" Jason is as Robin.
A blog somewhere said jason wasnt a incompetent robin and DC made him "failed robin that killed himself" to save their asses after his death
Jason was a good Robin and good kid overall.
I know that he isn't after I actually read his run as Robin, but back then I didn't and I was legit asking myself why Batman made poor a Robin if he was supposedly so bad. I was actually judging Batman here.
*the poor kid
Lmao, for real. The writers were trying to absolve Batman from any blame, but they only made it worse for him. If Jason was super bad, why endanger him instead of making sure he get adopted by a nice family? It's not like Jason was demanding him to be a Robin.
I keep saying that the reason why his fanboys hate Jason is because he expose Batman's hypocrisy and incompetent.
Jason died because he wanted to find his mom. Same b***h sold him out to the Joker and watched as he beat the shit out of her own son.
Anon pls. Jason distorts their worldview of how Batman should be. It's perpetual seething.
So is Jason stupid or just angry?
>Jasonbitches itt
What an edgy stupid overgrown baby
Just like his fanboys
OH NO NO NO NO, JASON SISTERS?!
Frick off woman
You'd like that, wouldn't you Chud?
Death to fujos in the same way for those who like scat shit.
Nta but what does Jason have anything to do with fujos? Women yes, but you're thinking yumejoshi
From the same branch and the gender opossite of incels.
Fujos aren't the same as yumes.
Reminder that there would be no problem with the no-kill rule if Joker stayed a campy clown-themed bank robber instead of turning him into a genocidal multiverse-ending threat
That kind of villain would be lame though
How does that not make sense? Just make him crazy, but funny-crazy, like the Trickster, instead of murder-crazy
So just make Batman's entire rogues gallery super silly and non-threatening? That's lamer than a no killing rule.
That’s basically Flash’s gallery except for RF, and people say he has the best villains of all time, for some reason.
No they don't. Most people don't know who the frick Captain Cold even is.
They only give a frick about the Reverse Flash.
This kind of Joker makes even less sense.
My question is, why hasn't Gothan just hanged the Joker? Surely with the amount of mass killings he does every year and the inability to properly contain him the general public's view of the death penalty would've shifted enough for the law to change.
Anons, I love you more than Joker loves Batman. Looking forward to seeing you all in the insane asylum next issue.
See you in the next shitshow of a thread.
These are unironically the dumbest threads on Cinemaphile, I get a kick out of them every time.
The fact that they somehow focus on Batman for some reason is even funnier, when in effect, every superhero is like this.
>kick out of them every time
I'm sure you do and you absolutely don't come here everytime to seeth.
Why wouldn't I? It's the exact same as asking "Why didn't Superman solve all of the Earth's issues in 24 hours?" It's the same as asking why didn't DC's God just interfere and fix everything.
People are trying to apply too much logic and it inevitably fails. Like the Joker will ever permanently die. Lmao.
Yeah ok kid.
Because Batman is the only major superhero people give a shit about. Any stupidity Peter Parker does can be excused by his teen years. While batman only has mental illness to fall back on. Let's not pretend the casual audience gives a frick about the rest of the justice league/avengers.
>Because Batman is the only major superhero people give a shit about
Not at all. I feel like it's some autistic anon who has an obsession with specifically Batman, not knowing that.. all cape characters are Batman when it comes to killing of people that fricking matter.
Anon, 99% of casual audiences didn't give a shit about the avengers til the movies. Look at sales numbers of spiderman/batman compared to all other heroes. The gap is massive.
And they didn't give a shit about Batman until the movies, your point?
Demonstrably false. Batman was huge as a comic. The adam west show amplified it yes but batman has been a household name ever since.
Batman and Robin will never beat the allegations, kek
Only nerds buy comics. Normal people watch the movies and play the games. How hard is it for you geeks to understand this?
Spidey hasn’t been a teen for half a century. He’s a grown ass man.
Then why does he act like a prepubescent moron
Because editorial wants him to be a manchild loser since they’re autistic and can’t relate to a well adjusted adult with a wife and kid.
..And? Just don't consoom Bat-media anon.
No. I love Batman. I will never leave him. NEVER.
Batman will never kill unless it zurr en arrh. At absolute most, we could see zurr-influenced batman provoke batman to kill joker, only to reveal he killed one of the joker duplicates. And maybe catwoman gives him pitysex or something. But it's okay cuz the clone is immortal and just comes back from the dead, Ala grundy.
>No. I love Batman. I will never leave him. NEVER.
So instead you'll b***h and seethe about the no-kill rule ad infinitum?
It's funny, I always assumed I'm in the minority who likes and prefers superheroes who kill, yet now I found myself one of the few defending the concept of heroes who don't kill.
Then again, I don't prefer long-running series as much as those that are self-contained.
No I just think it's funny to discuss. I don't really care either way.
If it's funny to discuss, why do people get so incredibly butthurt when I point out that virtually everyone in comics is Batman since no major villain has yet permanently died?
I dont know. I don't read comics other than batman, kek.
I like Jason 🙂
I like him too!
Well, I like him in a non-gay way.
I like him, in a homosexual and non homosexual way.
How active this thread is a prove how interesting Jason is and the impact he left on Batman.
Nah we just getting a kick out the morons.
He is interesting. No batfamily character get discussed as much as he does. He is actually more talked-about than many DC characters.
The thing about Jason is that 1. I feel like he should kill but discerningly, and 2. I feel like he should be part of the Batfamily… but not in the way that he’s Bruce’s wooby son. Moreso in that he’s forced his way in and like it or not he’s part of Batman’s legacy.
Characters that inspire people to discuss different ideas and concepts are my favorite kind of characters which is why Jason is my favorite and Batman too. If the only DC was competent.
Yeah, fools can't deny it all the want, but reality speaks louder. They think they are sticking it to him by making threads like this one, but it only prove further that Jason is actually pretty interesting character.
Goodbye trannies
>another thread about the recent Batman issue going to reach bump limit
I'm so fricking disappointed.
If it makes you feel any better, we ain't buying it.
Controversy creates clicks.
The next logical step is bisexual batman
1. Ghostmaker
2. Superman
3. John Constantine
Whats this list supposed to imply? Constantine has been bisexual for a while. Batman being bi is peak meltdown content and I can't wait.
>no Two-Face
Die
Nobody cares about Harvey
More people care about Harvey than Constantine, most people can't even properly pronounce the latter's name correctly.
>Batman
>Doesn't eat pussy
>Eats Dick
Nightwing-sisters, has your moment arrived?
So Bruce is the villain, right? One day they'll actually commit and follow through with such an obvious plot point.
>So Bruce is the villain, right?
Every hero in comics is in reality a villain since all the major villains are still alive.
lets be real with this much emphasis on being responsible for death this has gotta end with selina killing someone and being locked up or batman killing someone and not facing any consequences because everyone is gonna see it as justified
No one hates Batman more than Batman, he would take his own ass to jail.
>zur escapes the metaphysical cage and becomes a physical being, then kills someone, ends up with bruce arresting him
Topest kek, he has done a lot of terrible things and faced zero consequences for them.
This was a funny moment.
Jason and Selina are both bi. It stems from the fact that a writer (I forget which one) planned on making his anger a result of repressed homosexuality.
Imagine if this was the explanation for every time a character got angry, lmao
Total fujo victory.
Not just the men, but the women and children too!
Anon...
Does this mean Batman is homo? He is angry all the time.
You're angry all the time too, I guess you can enlighten us.
I thought it was already implied that he was in some story
Probably in the one where he had a kid, as most homos do.
Lmao, seriously? Now I understand why his tards are constant state of seethe.
They're in a constant state of seethe because they think characters who kill are cooler. They're kids.
Personally i think character who let serial killers get away so they could kill even more are cooler. I'm such an adult.
You must be a huge fan of Spider-Man and Superman then
Batman tards want him to kill? This explains a lot.
Ahem.... Source?
He means
Oh. The "broke my heart" line. This is the same way you can make Bruce bi in the telltale game. With indirect dialogue like this. Funnily enough, a joker goon once implied joker was bi the same way. I guess it's the easiest way for diversity rep without causing a stir. Just cuz of plausible deniability.
I usually get mad at this, but bat manchildern deserved it for being insufferable.
Mad at what? All capeshit (as with anything american) is gay. I've always acknowledged that Batman is too, but he's an admittedly cool character for the most part. Why does he make people seethe so much?
I think people new to comics have just realize no one actually dies in them and are having an existential crisis over it, hence the threads.
If that's true why hasn't batman gotten a boyfriend officially yet? Is it money minmaxxing? Or to not anger batcats? He's already a playboy. Where's the "outs himself as gay to distract that he's actually batman" fiasco?
I'm sure it'll happen eventually like all American media.
I'm so bored of capeshit I hope it happens soon. But when it does, I can't think of any other goofy fiasco that would cause a stir. A character being trans, making Jim Gordon officiallg black maybe. Dunno. But I feel like identity politics won't cause as much chaos anymore. We need more absurd lore. Like maybe batman just says frick it and starts killing for real.
As long as there's a villain to make money off of, I don't know if Batman or any other capeshit character will start killing for real.
I can't think of many examples. There's characters who """kill""""" but never the people who matter.
Angry characters are more interesting, that's why anti-heroes sell more
Damian he has always been extremely loyal to his father his the only one in this comic that isn't out of character .
>Damian he has always been extremely loyal
Hahaha, no he wasn't and it only matter of time before he start fighting against him again like he usually do and you people will start hating him again.
It was already implied that Batman is going to be completely sperated from his family after the end of Gotham. So, something most happened with Damian too.
BR is happening during GW and not after is also a proof that Damian will leave him.
Well, the one good thing Gotham War did is making this book pointless. Maybe this will teach a certain fans not to get too full of themselves next time.
I don't think that's the case, otherwise, Zur would still be a problem in the B&R book.
It's already confirmed that it's.
>Joshua Williamson and Simone Di Meo are working on a new Batman And Robin series, out from DC Comics in a month. I have been asked if it will be set before the current Gotham War series or after it. Well, best as I can work out, neither. It will be set during it.
We'll see how that works.
Probably mean that the book will be mostly ignored. We know that Batman is going to have a "solo" journey in his main series and in Tec following the aftermath of Gotham war.
Fine by me, the main Batman book is kinda ass right now, and Tec is way too intellectual for me.
We're literally getting a new Batman & Robin book.
See
Ah that explains why the Jasontards are chipping out so much.
If I was writing this story I would just have Zur-enn-Arh take over and permanently incapacitate all these ungrateful Bat-"family" wretches by putting them in wheelchairs like Barbara. Imagine Batman snapping Nightwing's neck just right and cackling "Sorry, old chum!"
You sound like a child.
If it was up to me, I would've had Failsafe mindrape Bruce so that he goes way way back into his mind, so that Zur-En-Arrh can take over and be one true Batman (since he thinks Bruce failed his own mission and killed).
After probably Tim explains to him that he didn't kill anyone and Penguin simply framed him, ZEA and the family will have to work together to get Bruce back.
Then you can have fun moments of Zur interacting with them, being a b***h in general, them missing Bruce, and Zur admitting that Batman needs Bruce Wayne to be at bes working capacity or something.
I actually disagree. Bruce is not just punching criminals and putting them on jail since ever, there are lots of stories focused on him giving former criminals jobs so they don't come back to crime, he created lots of charity institutions to make change in society, the most famous being the Wayne foundation (wich we see a version of it in the end of the Dark Knight Rises).
And Selina point is still flawed, she can't predict these criminals real intentions undergoing her training, she can't predict how the other Gotham villains will react not having henchmen, hell, when any villain of Gotham get on one of these guys and force them to come back working for them, they will have an better trained goon thanks to Selina.
She is not giving them Jobs or oportunity in life, she is training them to do crime, and after theiy receive their training she has no guarantee that they will just keep stealing from the rich (wich is still an crime nevertheless, and has lots of ways of going sideways and someone get killed, wich already happened), for all we know, the moment one of these criminals start to believe they don't want to share anything with Selina they will just start comitting bigger crimes, and that is it, she is responsable for that.
Also, Jason believes in second chances because himself had one, but is really out of character for him to endorse something that absolutelly will go sideways and then he will believe that he needs to end the life of some of these guys.
The concept is fundamentally flowed and everyone on the Batfamily (except for Damian) are out of character to make it work.
everyone apart from Damian being against Bruce. onestly I never liked this theme of growing up the Batfamily and that should stop, some of them didn't have to be there to begin with, and honestly they work better apart with the groups than they did as Nightwing and the Titans, they are already boring with their lousy attempts to be united. It's that this is too stupid with this senseless attempt at Civil War by Selina... A totally annoying character, please DC already stop With making her look like Bruce's love interest, it's already clear enough that that doesn't work and never will.
Why doesn't Batman just frick Talia and turn the League of Assassins into good guys? Is he stupid?
This question can be applied to most of his rogue's gallery.
I can't think of any big changes to the mythos or trends that they could exploit then. The latest one is Multiverse. Making everyone gay will have the overwatch effect where people stop caring. So what lever can they pull next to bait audiences? We need click bait.
Why are Jason fans so upset about recent events? Just cause Damian beat him up? I thought that was normal, since Jason is canonically the weakest of the Robins, (hence why he got killed and why he has to rely on deadly weapons to oppose them)
It's just one jasonstacy, anon
Pretty much, Jason is the Shadow the Hedgehog of the franchise.
I actually liked the issue. Finally the batfamily standing up for him. About time.
Ignore the triggered idiots, anon. They make seething threads about Jason and then they start crying about how Jason fans are "the ones who are seething".
Joker was right, the batfamily make batman weaker, they hold him back. I always preferred those stories where batman worked alone. This reminded me why. And I guess secret identity means shit considering selena's gang already know red jason and nightwing is dick grayson.
>villain takes over city
>batman splits from batfamily
>batman hits his lowest point
>Batfamily reunite
[repeat]
Is there a run this doesn't apply to?
o all these ungrateful ass kids (excluding Damien soooo happy he there for his dad) just up and turn on him and let ppl rob other ppl because Catwoman says so!? They all turn on there number one benefactor, family member and inspired hero who they chose to follow and walk in his footsteps and even indirectly help criminals by not only not stopping them, but by foiling and distracting Batman by fighting him so criminals can rob freely because again, catwoman..??!
Not only that, Catwoman is willing to bleed his money and account and then sell his family manor which literally means everything to him and jeopardize his identity as Batman and Bruce Wayne because he won't let her have ppl become better criminals and Rob others despite knowing how Batman is and how he rolls but chooses to do it anyway? And his entire batfamily is backing her as well!??
It's funny how Damian has always been the most rebellious against Batman's rules, but at times like this he's the only one at his side
Now that the thread is just about over, I think we can all at least agree that capeshit was never a good genre.
Always did, but that doesn't make people like OP less moronic than they are.
>why hasn't this popular cash cow killed this other cash cow for the last 80 years
Because.. it's bad for business? Duh
Well, yeah. I actually don't understand how some people wasted decades of their lives on them. They really aren't worth it.
It's always funny to see these threads about western-gays no kill morarily when even the edgy character like Punisher and Jason have accomplished nothing and never killed any villain that mattered
If you want real stakes and adult plots, go read manga. Spering out about comics for children is just embarrassing
Manga/Anime is also for children though. Also, no one in DBZ's death matters since the dragon balls can bring them back anyway.
Goku isn't even a good hero. He risks the Earth's safety all the time.
>expecting superhero morality from monkey king
brainlet take. it's okay to read stories about people who are paragons of virtues other than empathy
Monkey King is trash
tranime tourists belong on their own board
capeshits will never learn
Anime isn't tailor made for westerners and I can't get into it unless it's specifically an adaptation of a western property. Also, the art can get pretty annoying.
>animegays come here just to seethe
genuinely got a chuckle out of me
I just hope after this Bruce has nothing to do with Selina, especially romantically. She affects Bruce way too much for no reason.
And the Batfam siding with her is honestly the worst thing to happen to them, they’re literally letting a gang of thieves operate freely and it looks like they have no intention of stopping. Just a bunch of thankless goons, there’s no coming back from this. Blood son won with this event.
Personally I’m hoping for the death of Catwoman.
-Damian punching Jason so hard his mask shatters completely. Jason in this issue was so fricking annoying, it was satisfying to see that.