>"Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the Matrix is.

>"Unfortunately, nobody can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."
why not
why couldn't you just tell neo that he's in a simulation and his real body is being used as a battery by machines from the future

even if he doesn't believe you, it's still possible to explain it to him without him having to take the red pill and be unplugged
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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The matrix is the sensation not the simulation. Addiction to the sensation of passivity from a comfortable lie. You have to experience the truth to recognize the difference.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But that isn't what Morpheus says.
      He says nobody can be told what the Matrix is.
      But that's not true, we all just accepted this line for all these years because it sounds cool and sounds about right

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can't be told. Tell someone what being cold is, that's not sufficient to convey the experience of being cold. You need to feel it to know it. Telling someone something in this context means meaningfully conveying information, not just a hollow assortment of words.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Tell someone what being cold is
          You know how when you feel warm? It's like the opposite of that

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not really true

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              prove it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                its the difference between being told that its so cold in siberia that your spit will freeze before it hits the ground and being in siberia, and being so cold that little factoid isn't interesting at all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You need to experience it to prove it. Hence Morpheus. Stop being gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            still means nothing if you've only ever known warmth

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s so unbelievably moronic you must be trolling

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Based moron

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              this, except for the based part. don't encourage him or others will start tardposting ironically

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Just imagine colors, blind person!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No system can be fully comprehended from within.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Zoomers will disagree with you because they think watching someone play a game is the same as playing it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If someone right now told you that you were living in a simulation and your real body was being used by machines, then you'd believe and trust them? No. Frick no you wouldn't. That's what he is saying and why it doesn't work just telling someone. They have to put their trust in Morpheus first, he shows them what's real, then he explains it when it's impossible to disbelieve.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >we all just accepted this line for all these years
        not me. I always thought it was dumb because we, the audience, are being told what the matrix is without being unplugged.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In 1999, this entire concept was so novel it had to be explained very carefully. You're probably very young and grew up in a post-Matrix world, so you take for granted that The Matrix introduced this concept to the wider culture before you were born. Even today, we describe these types of simulated realities as "like The Matrix" or even just call them "a Matrix." Think about the actual gravity of what that means. The Matrix is everyone's primary point of reference for this concept, before seeing this movie, most people didn't even have such a concept in their minds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >In 1999, this entire concept was so novel it had to be explained very carefully.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that's a movie about being able to record memories/experiences

            >In 1999, this entire concept was so novel it had to be explained very carefully.

            that's a movie about a person trying to create a virtual society.

            .

            that's a movie about knowingly going inside a computer

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              All of which would have made audiences quite familiar with the ideas of the Matrix. It wasn't a big ask at all to just say "The Matrix is a computer simulation" and anyone even passingly familiar with sci-fi would have gotten the idea instantly. And they did.

              What REALLY happened is "what is the matrix?" was a marketing gimmick to make audiences think there was something more interesting going on than a simple virtual reality movie. Those didn't have a great track record at the box office at that point. I was pretty disappointed when I watched the film for the first time and realized that's all the big mystery ended up being about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >and anyone even passingly familiar with sci-fi would have gotten the idea
                It may surprise you to learn that they don't make movies for people who are passingly familiar with sci-fi. They make movies for everybody. That's why there's all this talk all the time about whether a script is accessible enough or whether it's too niche. Matrix was ALMOST too niche. They did a very good job of taking a super-niche idea and making it accessible.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >this is what western hikkis actually believe
                Sci-fi is a fully mainstream and "everybody" has a passing familiarity with concepts like virtual reality now, and they also did back in 1999.
                You're not special.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                anon you underestimate how illiterate and uneducated the average moviegoer is, especially back then. Your average audience member in 1999 aint ever read neuromancer or watched much sci-fi. The only ones in 1999 already familiar with with concepts like the Matrix were star trek nerds and thats about it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Zoomer revisionism.
                You weren't there. You don't know.
                Lurk more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Im 34 years old and i watched it in theatres, youve probably never seen anything but the DVD/Bluray version that puts the green and blue filters over the movie.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like someone who wears glasses and supports the idea of reparations.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Youd be correct. But the only reparations im willing to give is my girlfriends fat pussy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the idea of being unable to even comprehend the existence of the real world if all you've ever known was the simulation is not an easy idea to wrap your head around.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Funny then how I got it in like 2 seconds when I watched this film as a 14 year old in 1999.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                they don't reveal that neo's world is a simulation at the 2 second mark.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that's a movie about implanting memories

              >if it isn't EXACTLY the same concept then it can't be used as a counter-argument!
              Actual, unironic medical autism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You seemed to be implying movies about being trapped in a virtual world, with no knowledge of it, were common. they were not and are not.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you implied this is some kind of difficult to grasp concept, when it isn't at all when you've seen several films and television shows that already dealt with the topic of virtual reality.

                BTW Star Trek already did an episode in which a character is in a virtual world and doesn't know it at first.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >this is some kind of difficult to grasp concept
                it is for most people. all you need to do is look at people involved in "the culture war" to see it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                touch grass

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                so now we have another example of something no one can be told the truth about, they have to see it for themselves.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Touch grass, autist

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            such a weird and good movie
            love it
            also the best wmbf couple in cinema

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I watched it as a teenager a year or two before I saw the Matrix and I thought it was extremely slow paced and depressing. I'd probably be more receptive to it now.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          .

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that's a movie about implanting memories

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >most people didn't even have such a concept in their minds.
          Except Plato, 2500 years ago.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Plato
            Moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Plato was describing the human eye

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The allegory of the cave is not about the eye, but about the perception of reality.

              "A philosopher aims to understand and perceive the higher levels of reality. However, the other inmA philosopher aims to understand and perceive the higher levels of reality. However, the other inmates of the cave do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Butched the quote

                "A philosopher aims to understand and perceive the higher levels of reality. However, the other inmates of the cave do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life"

                Then Cypher knows the reality, but it is not a better life. Not for him anyway.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Butched the quote

                "A philosopher aims to understand and perceive the higher levels of reality. However, the other inmates of the cave do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life"

                Then Cypher knows the reality, but it is not a better life. Not for him anyway.

                You're in "the cave" no matter what.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                reminds me of the theory that Zion is just another layer of the matrix used to control the few people who can't accept the programming

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what, you mean the only way to explain why neo has powers outside the matrix?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that'd be the one

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A semantic error? I guess the only good Matrix movie is shit now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unfortunately, no one can be told what autism is. You have to experience it second hand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would be a challenge to describe the zion party

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Experience is simply superior to “knowledge.”

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing is believing.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think making neo believe it is the point here so you can't say even if he doesn't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      well yeah that's my point, Morpheus was being glib and actively withholding shit that he could have told Neo just because he really wanted him to take that Red pill

      It'd be different if he said "you can't fully comprehend the matrix without experiencing it"
      but he didn't say that
      Remember that the only thing really driving Neo's character up to that point was the question of "what is the Matrix"
      he probably would have been satisfied with just the simple explanation that he lives in a simulation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is the best explanation which also ties into the script. Cypher is upset with Morpheus for this same reason. Morph is recruiting. He's been after "the one" for a while and believed every past recruit had the same potential as Neo.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >You are the Messiah, and I should know - I've followed a few!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It'd be different if he said "you can't fully comprehend the matrix without experiencing it"
        >but he didn't say that
        except that is what he said, my brown friend.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why couldn't you just tell neo that he's in a simulation and his real body is being used as a battery by machines from the future

    it's explained later, that kills the person you're telling it to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is this canon?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no, he didn't say that.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The video game had some good cutscenes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rated M for Medium Level

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a tactic to get him to swallow the red pill. Cypher even says it later on "if he had told us what it was we would've told to shove that pill right up his ass"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      see this guy gets it
      morpheus was being kind of a sly dick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cypher just wanted to be put back in a cage cuz it was comfier for him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think it was more a resentment towards the fact that Trinity didn't reciprocate his interest, he's the anti-neo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          When you look into it, the movie is an allegory for Gnosticism.
          Imagine after you die you find out you can be reincarnated and you somehow find a way to manipulate where you'll be born, how rich your family is, gender, etc. Obviously, you'd want to jump on that, but really you're just torturing yourself and depriving yourself of heaven. That's what Cypher was doing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >When you look into it, the movie is an allegory for Gnosticism.
            Only because Gnosticism is still stuck on there being some enemy, and enemies make good movies.
            When you get past that silly, polar thinking, you can realize that there is no great antagonist.
            There's just you.
            But this isnt something that you can just be told.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds boring, like you'd have to end up inventing your own antagonist and creating an entire playground of npcs
              to fully enjoy it, you'd probably have to erase your own memory of being one single being too
              oh wait

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >end up inventing
                Why didnt you do it earlier? Why not just stop being bored, instead of trying to do something to not be bored?
                Sounds more like the few people that can get bored chose what you said, and then made up some idea about it not being their fault.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look at Moarpheus as a David Icke knock-off, and you get the scam that is going on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine you've been chasing Morpheus for your entire life and when you finally meet him he puts you through this whole over-dramatic shit in a trench coat and his big reveal is
      >The TV and the government and everything is just like a prison for your mind my dude, they're not telling you the TRUTH
      >now if you want to know the truth, take this drug
      >no, I won't elaborate further

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe but Neo had also had captured by the agents prior to meeting him, so he had the feeling that something was wrong and wanted to know more. He had reason to believe that there was more to his life than he was seeing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the whole thing with them implanting the bug in him is kind of weird in retrospect
          surely, since Neo is still plugged in, the machines didn't have to actually insert a weird crawfish-bug directly into his abdomen, that then had to be plungered out later
          it seems like they should have just been able to track wherever Neo was at any given time, he was still 100% plugged in

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Seems like it has to be done inside the matrix hence why agents even exist at all. If you tamper with the simulation to track people, humans start rejecting it en mass.
            Iirc the idea was that matrix runs on brain power so tampering with the data ruins the illusion for everyone.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Iirc the idea was that matrix runs on brain power
              that was the original idea the Wachowskis pitched, that the machines were using humans for the quantum-computing power of their linked-together brains
              studio said it would be too confusing for audiences so we got the Duracell Battery thing instead

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they'd do that and then you'd cry about "YEAH WULL SHOW DON'T TELL!! LIKE R/MOVIES SAID!!" Literally noose yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you're just upset that you never noticed it was a dumb line until now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Morpheus believes he doesn't have the ability to explain it in its entirety, that it must be seen and experienced to communicate the full scope of it. Stop being a pedant.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          except Morpheus goes on just a few scenes later to explain it very easily
          >it's actually 200 years in the future
          >the matrix is a simulation of the world as it was in 1999
          >in reality we created AI and it turned out bad and now the machines use us as batteries

          all of this information could have easily been relayed to Neo in the original meeting room, before he took the red pill
          The information has more gravity to Neo after being unplugged from the matrix, but he didn't require being unplugged to be told this information

          it's not pedantic it's just objectively true

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And he'd sound like a schizo without seeing it for himself. Neo experiencing 'reality' breaking down with the mirror fixing itself and that reflective substance consuming his body, waking up to the fields and only after being given the context to his new reality. Explaining the context makes him realize his entire existence up until this point wasn't as real as he thought. You can't just say that and expect people to take you seriously.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All lines are dumb lines. No exceptions. Dialogue is fricking garbage and meaningless. Gesture and intonation carry all the true meaning in the world. It's a fricking visual medium story not reality. For the sake of presentation style the words will dribble out whatever impotent excuses requires to progress from one set of gestures and setting to the next.

        Your fixation is verbatim the midwit meme. It is also the striking indictment why autists cannot create art. A hyperfocus on transitions creates an incurable blindness to the goal of movements.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >All lines are dumb lines. No exceptions. Dialogue is fricking garbage and meaningless.
          Hear hear.
          Watched a movie last night with the lines
          >You made a list?
          >Well, lists are just for checking things off.
          I was laughing too hard to hear the next lines.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Your fixation is verbatim the midwit meme. It is also the striking indictment why autists cannot create art. A hyperfocus on transitions creates an incurable blindness to the goal of movements.
          I can't deny any of that
          You've nailed me

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          #rekt

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >show don’t tell
      What if it’s told eloquently or the telling of the thing is inherent to the point. wtf does that even mean?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its been proven, by almost every single prequel, that being told by a good actor is infinitely better than being shown. as a good actor just alluding to or talking about the events sets a bar too high to cross.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. The idea of "unexplainable" and "cant be named" is stupid. What they should say - and what those who over the years have kept trying to explain have learned to say - is that there is a difference between knowledge and realization.
    You can tell someone all day every day - lots of ways. But you only experience the reality of the simulation by being removed from it.
    It's like saying you cant describe sweetness. Course you can. But until a person experiences it, they're just words.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there's a difference been knowing the path and walking the path
      Seems like they covered this in the movie as well.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I could tell you what it is, but you wouldn't believe me. You have to see it for yourself.
    There, it's more reasonable but doesn't sound as cool. Decide for yourself if that's worth it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Decide for yourself if that's worth it.
      It isn't

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you got filtered

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This movie went from being one of the greatest things I ever saw to pure poo poo pee pee after I watched Dark City.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      DC is ok but it's a less adept version of the same story.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dark City is so good. I definitely prefer it to the Matrix.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I remember the first time watching the Matrix on DVD in '99 thinking "Wait a minute...this is just Dark City with kung fu". Evidently, it even uses some of the same sets.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Really a lot of the blame is on the Oracle. She told some religi-autist like Morpheus he would find the one, obviously he's going to go out and just non-stop
    >that's the one
    >err, that's the one
    >that one?
    >that one!
    >she said i'll find the one
    >gonna find the one
    >one of these will be the one
    And yeah - self fulfilling prophecy.
    All of her shit was.
    >oh, look at this virtuous chick
    >she hangs around the robot I just wound up to find a certain dude she would like
    >"You will love the one"
    She was just telling people what to do, and eventually told the people that could do it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the oracle always was a weird character because the architect later refers to her as the "mother" of the matrix (if he was its father) and says she was the one who stumbled upon the idea of subjugating people by subconscious choice

      and yet she's like an exiled program who just shitposts to unplugged humans sometimes until smith eats her

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kek

        >All lines are dumb lines. No exceptions. Dialogue is fricking garbage and meaningless.
        Hear hear.
        Watched a movie last night with the lines
        >You made a list?
        >Well, lists are just for checking things off.
        I was laughing too hard to hear the next lines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The one was the bald kid. The oracle got a lot of people killed (and pulled out cypher, a clear bluepill that just had generic issues with authority) trying not to put the bald kid in a room with the architect.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Whoever succeeds is the one. The Oracle is shooting on full auto and drawing the target wherever the bullets most densely land.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "the one" is someone who's capable of bending the reality of the matrix to their will, completely independently. Its in the name. Someone who doesn't need any sort of human connection. The bald kid teaches neo how to manipulate the reality of the matrix by talking to him for less than a minute.

          The architect goes further into this, "the one" is supposed to have a generic love for all of humanity, rather than a specific connection to a single person. The bald kid would've been completely comfortable being worshiped, neo wasn't. etc, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Its in the name.
            It's post-hoc applied to anyone who manages. It isnt an annointment, it's an achievement title.
            The whole prophecy is shooting a billion arrows and pointing to THE ONE that hits the target and going "SEE? I knew it all along!"
            Cypher is one of the billion that didnt hit the target.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This only works if you ignore the six others, and then ignore the type of person that would make the decision to just let all of his friends die for the sake of preserving humanity

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It takes the six others directly into account, and many many more. My point is anyone who shows the traits - neo, cypher, the bald kid, and many more - are given prompts to think they are the one and go do the thing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                neo is directly told, to his face, that he isn't the one. and when he tries to imply the oracle lied to him, she deflects with "i told you what you needed to hear." The bald kid knew the path without being told.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He was told what he needed to hear to try.
                >The bald kid knew the path without being told.
                We only saw him after he was told what he needed to hear. The Oracle had a whole nursery of kids she was grooming to think they were the one, as well as the people Morpheus would bring to her.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the bald kid wasn't unplugged. he's sitting by himself, bending spoons, still in the powerplant. This also means the oracle wasn't lying to morpheus, because morpheus saw the bald kid a bunch of times. he found "the one."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What does whether the kid is residing in the matrix relevant? Neo was plugged in when he met the bald kid.
                > the oracle wasn't lying to morpheus
                No one said lying. Self-fulfilling prophecy and post-hoc application of labels isnt lying.
                You prove my point that even if morpheus hadnt found the one that did it, Oracle would have just said "but you did find the one, you just didnt know it at the time".
                You are supporting the fact that the oracle was bullshitting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're getting yourself so confused that you're forgetting the sequence of events of the movie. Also the machines never lie at any point in the movie.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. Neo meets Oracle and kid in the Matrix.
                And I just said there is no lying. Thank you for agreeing with me.

                She knew the fricking One existed and told Morpheus who she knew would find him to go find him wtf are you talking about the Oracle can see the future.

                >She knew the fricking One existed
                She knew if she threw enough people at it, one of them would do it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                She knew the fricking One existed and told Morpheus who she knew would find him to go find him wtf are you talking about the Oracle can see the future.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                being able to soft-deterministically predict human behavior isn't seeing the future. and she was canonically wrong multiple times, as she'd gotten other people she fed to morpheus killed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah because it’s intrinsic knowledge that there would be some Christlike messiah that can divinely warp the reality of this artificial world and we have to find him to save humanity. Everyone knows that!
                Moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're now spouting inane gibberish. Reminder: the only person who calls it a prophecy is Morpheus, as he's a quasi-religious nut.

                Nope. Neo meets Oracle and kid in the Matrix.
                And I just said there is no lying. Thank you for agreeing with me.
                [...]
                >She knew the fricking One existed
                She knew if she threw enough people at it, one of them would do it.

                >nope
                unplugged, in this context, means being outside of the power plant, my ESL friend.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Plugged in is plugged in. the kid knew what the matrix was, and was simply in it, not of it - same as Neo in that moment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, you just ESL'd, i even specifically said in the power plant. he didn't need to be shown what the matrix was, he already knew.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Again - we meet him after he was told what he needed to hear to try and be the one.
                He wasnt the one, because he didnt do it. Neo did, so he is the one.
                there are many many failed attempts, and the oracle told them all what they needed to hear to try.
                Power plant is irrelevant nonsense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon. The point you're throwing up your english shield to try to scream away is the bald kid had not been pulled out of the matrix yet. He didn't need to be pulled out to know what the matrix was. He didn't need to be told anything. He sits, alone, bending spoons. He tells others how to bend spoons. He doesn't need any connection to anyone else to bend reality to his will. If he had met the architect, he would've chosen to kill all of the resistance and continued the cycle, "for the greater good."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the bald kid had not been pulled out of the matrix yet.
                1 - I disagree, you dont have to be out of the physical power plant to be out of the matrix. animatrix showed this as well.
                2 - it doesnt matter, he is currently being trained to be the one. you can train people in and out of the matrix, so long as they show the traits for it.
                >He didn't need to be told anything.
                He was told what he needed to hear, same as all the others like Cypher and like Neo.
                He didnt do it. So he isnt the one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                anon. the idea he was told anything is pure headcanon. it doesn't happen in any of the movies. you have manufactured this scene in your mind to explain the movie to yourself. world record proving its possible to "wake up" on your own doesn't contradict what I'm saying. You're even directly told in the first movie that without the choice system, the first matrix failed because people kept trying to "wake up" from the matrix.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the idea he was told anything is pure headcanon
                As is the idea that he is the one. What we know is that lots of people are people told lots of things by the oracle to get them to act how she wants.
                All prophecy she gives is post-hoc and self-fulfilling.
                We see this.
                >You're even directly told in the first movie that without the choice system, the first matrix failed because people kept trying to "wake up" from the matrix.
                Now you have forgotten what happens in what movie. We are told in the first movie people wake up because they reject perfection, not because of lack of choice.
                And all of that is irrelevant to the fact that we observe what the oracle says, when she is wrong, and how she is just telling people what they need to hear to do what she wants.
                And what she wants is someone to fulfill the role of the one.
                And that means she shotguns it with lots of people, and always has a backup "I knew you would say that" to tell people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >As is the idea that he is the one.
                Nope. I'm going off the information conveyed verbally and audibly by every scene dealing with the one, the nature of the one, what the one is supposed to be, and what the architect expects the one to do, based upon the six other times the one has done as planned. "i told you what you needed to hear" doesn't mean that neo is the one and it doesn't mean that "you're not the one kiddo" is a lie. "you've got the gift, but you're waiting for something" means the one isn't waiting for anything, the one is already actively manipulating the matrix on his own.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm going off the information conveyed verbally and audibly by every scene dealing with the one
                Including the one where we see the oracle tell neo what he needs to hear to keep going.
                So we can understand the same thing happened with the bald kid.
                >"i told you what you needed to hear" doesn't mean that neo is the one and it doesn't mean that "you're not the one kiddo" is a lie.
                I agree 100%. That is my point - she tells everyone what is needed to be heard. It's never a lie, doesnt make it a prophecy.

                >We are told in the first movie people wake up because they reject perfection
                nope, that is smith's theory. he even directly states, "my theory is humans define reality by their level of suffering."

                Complete headcanon.
                His theory is based on that fact and it is never contradicted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >direct quote of the movie? headcanon!
                >but my imagined scene? that's canon!

                Again. By the exact terminology used to describe the savior figure, the one, a person born inside the matrix with the ability to change it as he sees fit, neo isn't. Because he doesn't have the ability to do anything until he's pulled out.

                but hey, you love your headcanon, and refuse to see that it is a faulty interpretation. its probably just because you have a low IQ, as ESLs tend to, and can't map beyond simple interactions or consider more than one variable. But damn man, calling a direct quote of the movie from an aberrant program "headcanon" is just some next level denial.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                quote of the movie?
                Timestamp where it says the blad kid is the one.
                >the exact terminology used to describe the savior figure
                Is post-hoc applied to whoever succeeds. Neo is the one because he did it. Anyone COULD have been the one, and many were groomed to be, like the blad kid, but neo did it.
                So he is the one.
                No lying involved, just grooming.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My ESL chum, you've gotten yourself confused again. The direct quote of the movie is smith saying "my theory is..."

                The fact you can't even keep straight whats said in text based interaction makes me understand why you'll never comprehend the idea neo wasn't the one, there was no prophecy, and the oracle is specifically going against the architect to break the cycle.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You want to focus on everything but your headcanon. Nowhere does it say the bald kid is the one. Nowhere does it contradict the facts Smith used to make his theory.
                >neo wasn't the one, there was no prophecy, and the oracle is specifically going against the architect to break the cycle.
                Try reading what I wrote., You again agree with me. You cant even see how.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nowhere does it contradict the facts Smith used to make his theory.

                the choice system contradicts smith's theory. smith, canonically, can't understand choice.

                but its okay dude, you've proven this is just beyond you. I mean, you're brown, the movie wasn't for you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the choice system contradicts smith's theory.
                Contradicts his theory, not the facts that theory was built upon, which is that people were rejecting the perfect world.
                You are confusing WHY it was rejected for the FACT they were rejecting it.
                And you have run to focus on this because you know you lost about the bald kid being the one, and you have lost about the oracle bullshitting through all of it.
                But we can focus wherever you want me to show you are stupid.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People rejected the perfect world because they weren't given the choice to accept it or not. Same reason they rejected the first version of the 90s matrix.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >People rejected the perfect world
                Which is what I said. We are told they wake up from rejecting the perfection.
                >Same reason they rejected the first version of the 90s matrix.
                That's what we were talking about, anon. The part where Smith is giving his theory, which is wrong because of choice.
                His wrong theory built on the fact that people were rejecting the perfect matrix.
                Glad you have caught up.
                Are we now done with this sidetrack into your stupidity so we can focus on your stupidity about the bald kid being the one?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ESL ignores parts of english posts that don't conform to what he wants to be true

                sad. many such cases. its funny how literally all ESLs do this when they get heated.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We are told in the first movie people wake up because they reject perfection
                nope, that is smith's theory. he even directly states, "my theory is humans define reality by their level of suffering."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not spouting gibberish you stupid moron. I’m saying oracle knew about the existence of the One. How? She can see the future. Which is exactly what Smith saw when he assimilated the oracle, which was only thwarted by Neo being the fricking One and changing reality.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yet he didn't know assimilating neo would give the machines the ability to isolate and purge his code. because deus ex working with neo was not in the realm of possibility.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thoughts?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        First off, that's med rare at best.
        Second, it's a cut of steak, it's supposed to be raw, or as lightly cooked as you can stand it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          enjoy your fricking worms, homosexual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If your beef is so shitty it is riddled with tapeworms, you need to worry more about trying to sneak into the US rather than wasting money on steak.
            Sear the outside of the cut, and there is practically zero risk of foodborne illness from rare steak.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you are riddled with tapeworms

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How rarely do you get checked up that you think this would ever be something that you could make me worry about?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao, if you cooked your meals like a civilized person instead of eating them raw like a caveman you wouldn't need to go to a doctor for a check up every friday

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Right now we know you live where anything less than well done will give you parasites, and that you think check ups are so rare you could get riddled with tapeworms before diagnosis.
                How often do you go to see your doctor?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Going to checkups at the ~~*doctor*~~

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Which third world country do you hail from?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If anything it's overcooked.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    mid af flick

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >if you'd have told me the truth i'd have told you to crush that shit up and let me rail it straight into the real world!!!

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when these movies were about something other than chopping your own penis off? Man, those were the days.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they still are. death of the author.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If they say that to bluepills it triggers a warning and the guy turns into an agent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the best answer in the thread
      Everyone plugged in has spyware installed 24.7

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here after a night of sleep
      Thanks that actually makes sense, I accept this answer

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well would you be entirely convinced if someone presented that you were living in a fake world? Obviously you would be a complete fricking moron to just go “ohh yeah that sounds right, I won’t be needing to see it for myself, even though you are offering definitive proof right this instant”

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why couldn't you just tell neo that he's in a simulation and his real body is being used as a battery by machines from the future
    Because then there's no plot

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's like making the jump. It isn't knowing you can. You have to believe. It has to be intuitive and your mind has to accept it. You walk by walking. It's a natural process. You don't think through it. You don't parse out the actions. He cannot be told because that's not how accepting it works. He cannot be released from the program fully unless he rejects it on a subconscious level. Rejecting the program is accepting the alternate reality it exists in as if it where reality with different rules.

    Do you think that's air you're breathing?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neo is the one because he frees the machines from their prison of hatred and allows them to restore their love for humanity by bringing peace

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There was no prophecy for that. If anything, the oracle is responsible for that happening, and she did it all on her own.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That is the prophecy and only neo could do it because he became one with the machines by bonding with smith which ensured human emancipation. If he died for humans the cycle would continue it was only by dying for machines out of love for all that the cycle was ended. The machines love and hate humanity so they were desperate for this outcome.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon. This "prophecy" you've invented is entirely post-hoc headcanon. Its even contradicted by the fact "the war" didn't end.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The war DID end. The trilogy is over. Humans and machines made peace and rebuilt.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nope. The next bit of matrix media is the matrix online, in which the war continues, and morpheus goes a little crazy and starts forcing bluepills to wake up en masse, which drives them insane and kills them, until he's killed by another part of the matrix's security system.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. That has nothing to do with the movies. The story is over, it's been told, and finished. Some random cash grab years after the fact doesn't alter that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The makers off the movies consider the events of the matrix online canon, hence why morpheus is dead in the fourth movie.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's dead because it's been 60 years, motherfricker. Neo and Trinity aren't really the same people as well. They're just recreated clones or some shit. Regardless, the 4th movie sucks and I literally couldn't make it past 10 minutes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, hes dead because he was killed trying to set off matrix decompiler bombs, and he had resorted to such tactics because he couldn't handle the idea of the matrix still existing.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >UMMMM SO LIKE, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LIEK TELL ME INSTEAD OF LETTING ME EXPERIENCE IT FOR MYSELF?
    why are Zoomers like this? Why do so many of them want an abridged version or explanation that just tells them the point without showing them the reasoning or justification that leads to that point? They think simply knowing things makes them smart and above the people who have lived longer than them who have experienced the thing first-hand just because they can run down the list of points from a video essay. I don't think they can even comprehend experience. They see no value in actually going outside and appreciating nature and having an intimate moment with the universe. They think the view of a landscape is beautiful because "OH MY GOSH, IT'S JUST LIKE THE POST I SAW ON INSTAGRAM". It's beautiful to them simply because of association rather than the thing itself. They see beauty because they were told the beauty is there, not because they actually see intrinsic beauty in it. They would rather see the view that's been seen a million times than experience something truly unique to their individual perspective that actually evokes true emotions and clarity that come from understanding. Understanding something means you know the essence of the thing and why it is. Zoomers can't understand because they cannot actually experience things. Instead, they have to simulate experiences through the internet. This is why they try so hard to force things and fail to see the beauty in briefness and simplicity. They have to take a picture so they can memorialize it forever or keep it going through different iterations and alterations, constantly exhuming the corpse of the real and reheating it in a microwave. It is a constant cycle of regurgitation and resuscitation that reduces all meaning to the Zoomer to a superficial and hyperreal state. They are truly the simulacrum generation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's the ultraprocessed experience of life.

      You want food, you pull up your phone and chicken nuggets arrive in 10 minutes. You want sex, you simply swipe on a dating app on your phone. There is no hunt, there is no cooking, there is no serendipitious meeting, no agonizing over asking a girl on a date and getting to know her, seducing her. It's the total anesthetizing experience of life. Every want immediately satisfied in the most clinical way possible. Every brain receptor stimulated to the point of numbing you out of a real human experience. There is something aesthetically and experientially very different from knowing the spring, summer, fall, and winter of a thing, of experiencing the stages of love and the slow building of knowledge and experience and wisdom in things...the matrix was so far ahead of its time it's unreal. We live in the matrix now. We are "plugged in" to our screens at all times, a large number of people mindlessly scrolling for endless dopamine hits like drug addicts...this is the matrix. There is no real world for them, they've been zombified...these people don't have hopes and dreams, they don't have corporeal experiences and real friends, they don't experience real love, real desire, real struggle. It is a living death. They are a biological product and exist as slaves to the machines. The majority of young men have never approached a woman and asked her out. The majority have never hunted for food. There is only this lukewarm human "experience" of mild pains easily treated with quick vacuous convenience. It's a catastrophe for the human experience.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought "the one" was the first human to have evolved a (real-world, physical) ability to control machines with their mind as a consequence of breeding generations of humans for the purpose of living in the Matrix. That we adapted to it.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >threads that keep you coming to Cinemaphile

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you get told what the Matrix is, you would just turn into an Agent and have a nice day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      agents can only occupy those who chose to accept the matrix.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Says who? Morpheus said they can occupy anybody that's hardwired to the matrix.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The bug is Anderson is removed.
    >So what, he is still plugged into the Matrix.
    >Should we turn him into an agent right now because he probably surrounded by our enemies?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The agents were off the clock.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have to understand that at some level the machines were letting people leave the matrix. If someone truly rejected it, the machines didn't want them, and besides that it could be someone who's the One, which they want to see happen because the One is integral to rejuvenating the matrix.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >camera in the reflection

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        unironically soul. when movies remove that shit digitally it is soulless.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Neo, all you see and feel is digital reality. Your real body is connected to some wires and you never ever used your eyes. Machines use you as a battery.

    idgaf honestly, movie is still cool

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody would believe it. checkem

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They just included that line because it plays well in trailers and TV spots.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neo! Stop having sex with two schoolgirls tied to a bed. You have to have sex with brown people who dance in a cave neo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You may joke about this, but if you think about how none of it is real, then you might actually want to experience the real world and be free of the machines. They don't care if you become a homeless person in the matrix. You being alive is all that matters to them. In the real world, you get real pussy.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    stop thinking goy

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you tell people they’re in the matrix. It doesn’t help them, it puts them in danger.

    The agents get alerted to shit like this. Plugged in pod humans thinking about themselves being in a simulation and thinking about escape sets off alarms that send agents after them. They then “arrest” them and kill them.

    Watch the Animatrix. The Kid from the matrix 2&3 who says Neo saved him, and Neo says he saved himself

    He literally just got hints about the nature of the matrix, figured it out on his own, and this led to agents swarming his school trying to get him, and this is BEFORE he figured out the totality of it.

    He then managed to wake HIMSELF up, without help, by jumping off the school building, this is basically a miracle. Every other matrix born person alive was taken out by other people who were already outside the matrix.

    Only the mythical man born inside as the first “one” managed to wake himself up

    Likewise, depending how you view the writing. Neo was either super lucky to even be alive, a strategic ploy, or the architect always planned him to live as their whole “the one” failsafe matrix reboot

    Because the agents caught Neo. Could have killed him in the interrogation room, instead they tried to use him to track Morpheus and failed immediately.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot the part where they already know who accepts the matrix and who doesn't

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They actually don't. Everything would be super easy for the machines if they could just automatically kill off the 1% that reject the Matrix. Instead those people remain largely undetected and cause glitches. This is why the One is needed to stabilise the matrix. The machines offload the choice to the One and get the One to accept the matrix on behalf of everyone in it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They don't want to automatically kill the percentage that rejects the matrix.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    David Foster Wallace had an interesting quote during a university commencement speech.
    >An older fish swims up to a younger fish and declares "hello! Fine water this morning"
    >Younger fish says "what the hell is water?"

    It notions to how there is an objective truth surrounding you, but because it saturates everything you're aware of you might not recognize or realize it's all around you.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People are like this irl though? They want direct evidence that there’s more than just the material world of the senses and to experience it firsthand before they believe it. They’d be the same in the matrix

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why didnt he just explain as well as possible what le matrix is???

    because he is getting the hard part out of the way first.
    Assuming he does do exactly as you say and explains as well as possible that humanity is trapped in a simulation, it’s still just his word they have to take at face value. Neo would then ask Morpheus “that is nuts, but do you have some kind of observable proof or can you get me out of the simulation so I can see with my own eyes??”

    Either way, it ends with the redpill being offered.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is everyone forgetting about the scene where Morpheus explains the matrix battery thing AFTER Neo is already out of the matrix, and Neo fricking pukes and passes out as a result?

    Then Morpheus says they never usually take someone out past a certain (young) age. Younger than Neo, because their minds can’t handle it

    If he had that same reaction while plugged in he’d probably have a heart attack or vomit in his breathing tube or some shit. Or the spike in neural activity would summon agents

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Someone being exploited, who lives to be a fuel/pawn for others' grand masterplans, will never realize their oppression bc of their life-long programming. Can Neo physically unhook himself from the battery farm? Then his slavery, esp mental/psycho-emotional, prevents him from seeing HOW he fits into the matrix.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And LGBTQ "artists" pretend that just by coming out or transitioning, they have left the matrix. If they're actually "out and proud", they're just no dif than straights who are still part of the matrix. So it's triple consciousness (closeted, out, matrix'ed), vs. double if they're "accepted".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the wachowskis criticize that idea pretty hard in sense8, as the troony character, despite having all the surgeries, is still isolated and lacking any real human connection.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah doesn’t really make a lot of sense since all of us were able to see it depicted on screen

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If he doesn't believe you, what is the fricking use?

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Morpheus values truth more than he values choice. He admits later on that Neo was past the age where most would be taken out of the matrix because it becomes dangerous, but he had to take the chance because he thought he was the one. The oracle also actively manipulates Neo. They both turn out to be right, and Neo never complains about what they did to him.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a waste of quads.
    Because you can not actually explain what matrix is for someone who was a part of it his entire life.
    When simulation hijacks all your sensory data from birth, when your birth itself was engineered, when the sheer scale of simulation is so out of your grasp the limited human language couldn't describe it, you can only see it for yourself from the outside.
    Why does everything needs to be spelled out to you zoomers? What the frick is wrong with you?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What the frick is wrong with you?
      all they do in school is memorize answers for the standardized tests

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP getting shit on but you're right

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