VADER SHOW coming soon on Disney+

Yes, even in the Kenobi show, Sidious strongly implies to Vader that he's too attached to Kenobi, at the end.
By the time ANH rolls out, that is no longer the case, but Obi Wan also realized he can't win through conventional means, so he sacrifices himself and puts his faith in Luke.

> Anakin killed 2 Sith (Dooku & Sheev)
The first cut off his arm and kicked his ass in AOTC and yeah I guess he killed one dude. Ok. Wow.
the second Sith electrocuted Anakin basically to death and they sort of killed each other.

I already said yeah, he killed dooku. Wow who cares? One guy. Omg he’s so powerful. The PT and the ST made Vader look like a massive b***h. They ruined his character

Anakin has been dominating since his first loss to Dooku in AOTC.

He subdued Mortis Gods
He killed Dooku
He should have beaten Kenobi, but he jumped over him like a fool
He single handedly defeated Cyn Drallig, the literal Battlemaster of the Jedi Order while fighting multiple Jedi at once
He defeated Ahsoka
He defeated Reva
He killed Obi-Wan
He killed Palpatine

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He kills Cyn Dralig later in the same movie.

> Maybe the “Sith” is something else entirely and the prophecy has yet to be properly fulfilled?
Kind of takes away from George lucas whole “chosen one” space Jesus arc he was pushing in the PT though and makes his sacrifice in ROTJ seem pretty ducking meaningless. It’s like all this new shit just ruins the OT. It’s hard to even watch these old movies the same way anymore. Lucas infected and buried the OT under a mountain of slop it’s hardly even recognizable as the great trilogy that it once was. Like a beautiful woman who has totally bogged herself in old age.

She's dead by the time of the ST since she appears as a force ghost to Rey so someone killed her. It could turn out to be Anakin or alternatively Maul. I doubt it was a non-force user in any case.

But She and Luke are fricking in BOBF. They started sleeping together soon after ROTJ.

I forgot Mando was post-RotJ, my bad.

>Obiwan cut him in half
Same shit as the Maul fight honestly. Anakin was overconfident in that jump and it cost him the fight. Similarly, Maul could've simply force pushed Obi-Wan and instead decided to toy with him. And what's ironic is that he was actually younger than Obi Wan too. He had everything it takes to win the fight on paper, but he lost. Same with Anakin.
>leading to vader accidentally choking her to death killing the live of his life and his two unborn children
She didn't die due to the choke specifically. Just broken heart syndrome. So in a way, he did kill her, but not through direct physical means.
And the kids survived obviously.
>To think Vader would spare Obiwan and play nice with him?
That's not his intent in ANH. But in Kenobi they made it a point to have Palpatine scold Vader for him being too attached to his former master, which means he wasn't fully intent on killing him just yet.

Maybe, but then again, certain feats like lifting AT-ST's and stopping that ship are still things only Vader has really done.
The closest is Rey and Kylo holding onto the Millenium Falcon, but she's a Palpatine and he's a Skywalker.
Luke, even in his lame nuCanon persona, was still pretty OP since projecting ones' self across the galaxy undeniably takes a lot of effort.
Only Palpatine has shown that level of power when he was able to choke Dooku light years away.

Alright moron. I'm assuming you saw the Kenobi trash, right? The way he stopped that ship is not something you'd typically see in the movies or shows whatsoever.

Agreed. Kind of glad to see nucanon has started to embrace this too, although they haven't utilized it in the best ways.

I never read the EU book you are talking about nerd. Sorry I’m not a pathetic useless gay like you who sits around reading gay shit sticking a fake lightsaber up my ass.

I think I’ve explained myself enough times. I’m not complaining Vader is too weak, I’m complaining that everyone else is too powerful. I’ve said this already like ten times. If you haven’t figured that out by now you must have a shit for a brain. The power levels were fine in the OT, the PT and the ST screwed everything up by making everything like looney tunes cartoon nonsense with everyone flipping and flying around moving mountains around and lightsabers everywhere it cheapened everything, the force, Jesus, it’s just a dumb marvel comic book now not a delicate situation like a space opera where only an elite few have these powers, might as well merge it into the mcu at this point or give them super powers like the Wolverine force user or the Incredible Hulk force user. It’s just cheap trash now. I guess you eat that shit up like a disgusting subhuman.

> You're talking about capeshit but the reality is that
a) Jedi have always been supernatural and thus comparable to capeshit
No it wasn’t always like that. The OT, taken alone, didn’t feel like a cartoon in terms of powers. It felt spiritual and was slightly outlandish but just grounded enough that it was still kind of believable. Yes it still was geared mainly towards young teens and kids and they sold toys and comics but it wasn’t like todays MCU, it was far more grounded. The only comparison I could make might be the original iron man to the current MCU. It felt far more real and grounded. This isn’t just due to directing it’s due to what is taking place on screen as a whole.
> b) There's plenty of capeshit with much lower power levels than even the OT.
And often these are less cartoonish movies. So what are you trying to say? That some MCU movies aren’t cartoonish and absurd? Ok. I guess you proved that point. Who cares? It doesn’t discredit my argument about the MCU phenomenon in general.
> c) All of this was intended from the very beginning,
It doesn’t matter, what was “intended” didn’t put Star Wars on the map, it was the final product that did.

> It was never meant to be believable. It's a fantasy movie full of completely outlandish ideas
What? The idea that it could be possible to move shit with your mind? Billions of people believe a man walked on water and you don’t think some people could believe that moving objects with their kind is conceivable? Or that there is a force binding all living things together? This is basically like religion/spirituality. And yes, BIlLIONS believe in shit like this, so it is possible, in theory.

> and characters.
That aliebs on another planet might look different? You think people find this to be impossible? This shit IS for kids but fundamentally people can pretty easily suspend disbelief and take it seriously and enjoy it while watching.

> The way they behaved and interacted just wasn't as particular or perhaps robotic as someone like you probably views the PT. It was more "grounded" in that respect, and the hero was more of an everyman that one could self insert as.
It wasn’t even that at all, although those are good criticisms of the PT. It was everyone having a lightsaber, everyone flipping around, even Yoda using a lightsaber, everyone moving stuff around with their mind, a trillion space ships at the end of the ST, this kind of stuff just goes too far to a point where I feel like I’m watching a cartoon.

> However, you can still do that with increased power levels, tech and mysticism., or more bizarre alien species. It all depends on the approach. Some of the books and games are a lot more complex and "mature" than the movies, yet they also have a lot more outlandish concepts, both in terms of the force, tech, and so on.
Well I never read them, I’m just talking about the movies and tv shows,

> You're the one complaining someone is doing exactly that, but the objects are bigger.
No I’m complaining that everybody can do that now, which makes Vaders abilities seem less impressive.

> Even though Yoda has an entire spiel about how size doesn't matter in ESB.
But it does to *the audience* it doesn’t matter what Yoda says. Visually it seems cartoonish for everyone to be able to move huge shit around with ease.

The force is just one aspect of Star Wars, but on the whole, it's still a pretty outlandish universe and concept. It's more of a fantasy movie than sci-fi, and the fact that it all happened "a long time ago.." tells you that from the get-go.
> Apparently not, since you clearly have a problem with the force being used in a more competent manner.
Like I said, it’s similar to iron man 1 and the films that came after. It is plausible that he could build a suit and fly around, it gets cartoonish when he’s inventing time travel and magic “nanotech” wraps around his body. There are differences of degree and you are autistically pretending not up comprehend this.
> It's a Jedi's weapon.
Ok yeah, that’s fine but I don’t want to see 50 jedis with 50 different colors lightsabers fighting like that in a stadium in the PT, it’s just cheap and shitty. It just seems laughable and cheap.
> If you strip a Jedi from any ability outside of very basic telekinesis, you're still doing a disservice to yourself for not utilizing the fantasy concept fully.
Actually I liked the more spiritual stuff, like obiwan disappearing and dying turning into force ghosts, like spiritual Buddhist or Abrahamic-religion-style powers, stuff like that…more religious, not shooting lasers out of your eyes type of stuff. That’s what it seemed more like in the OT. That’s what likes powers were all about, he used his fathers love and his trust in him as a weapon against the emperor. That was star wars. It had a religious depth, not cheap superpower crap

Yes, I understand what you mean. But I don't think the force was demystified in the newer films. On the contrary, I think it would've went into even deeper spirituality, especially with the whole Whills thing and George's intended ST. But I digress.
Sometimes, things are more exciting the less you know about them or see them. Demystification can be a valid complaint, and I think it's perfectly applicable to certain characters or cultures. For example, I never cared much for Mandalorians being turned into what is essentially space barbarians, even though it goes in hand with the whole "fantasy in space" gimmick of Star Wars.
I also didn't care for Boba Fett being a clone. I've actually read pre-PT EU material specifically featuring Boba and other bounty hunters, before it was established that he was a clone, and enjoyed it a lot more than what was ultimately done with him as time progressed.
But that goes in hand with what I was saying, you don't need to know whether or not something is "canon" to enjoy or hate a story.
I've even seen people suggest only the original movie should be considered canon, or that it should've been a standalone. So nothing's stopping you from choosing your own canon.
And as far as Vader is concerned, it's nice to be mindful of the fact that whatever current canon decides to do with him, it will be a story by someone who isn't George Lucas, or whoever made your preferred version of Vader in the OT. Whether you're pleased with the result or not, it will be someone else's brainchild.
That alone means there isn't a "higher power" or overseer when it comes to technicalities or nuances in the story.
These ideas are all coming from a variety of places. It's not George's vision anymore, nor Bob Igers', or any single entity. That was true during the making of the OT, and it's doubly true now that George has stepped down and doesn't even approve or disprove certain Expanded Universe material.

That's what I'm talking about. It's the best way to look at things.
I don't think Star Wars couldn't have good content again or even be topped (for me, some of it has been topped in some EU material already), BUT, at this rate, it's simply unrealistic to expect that.
We all know how shitty Hollywood's current output is.
And if you think Star Wars has had it bad, think about all the other franchises that have also shat the bed. Some of it has pissed me off a lot more than what happened with Star Wars post-Disney. At leas Star Wars can have the odd decently made story now and then, by virtue of having lots of people have their stab at it.
But for a franchise that has like 1 movie every few years (Terminator for ex.) and only gets one or two writers working on a film with heavy studio interference, the odds of success are much lesser.

All the initial ideas that Lucas came up with during the OT for the characters and their origins were better than the things he changed them to later.

> The EU is better than the movies t b h but that's my personal take as a movie watcher.
The EU is not what put Star Wars on the map, the PT wasn’t either, and neither was the ST or these dumb tv shows and movies, and neither were these shitty little cartoons and comics, or the special editions or Lucas's original intentions. What put Star Wars on the map were the original trilogy. That’s what was “Star Wars”. All this other slop is yours to enjoy and you have every right to have bad taste and enjoy garbage, like a crazy person eating rotten food from a trash can. That’s your business. I don’t do that.

No I just feel like the original trilogy was so perfect. The perfect beginning the perfect ending. It’s like the perfect slice of pizza, it doesn’t need anything else it doesn’t need more cheese it doesn’t need more toppings, leave it the frick alone. Keep that shit in comic book land and “what if” type of stuff. These new movies and tv shows have destroyed Star Wars because they are canon. It’s just a disgrace what Lucas and Disney have done.

The OT was a product of it's time and you can't replicate it. The ST tried and failed.
Other shows like Mando are also trying, and while they're better, you can *tell* they're trying, and that in itself takes you out of the show a little bit.
The PT was also a product of it's time. The thing with Lucas is, he was always trying to make modern movies, in some cases literally inventing tech and filmmaking methods that hadn't existed yet.
He specifically said that his sequel trilogy would've been handled in the same way, i.e. with modern tech, designs and concepts, and that it wouldn't have been "retro", like Disney did with the ST.
Many franchises, even outside of movies, are basically lightning in a bottle, and the originals will never be topped. The sooner you come to terms with this the better.
That being said, I still think books can bridge the gap due to the lack of visuals, and the fact that you're creating them in your head with your own imagination. They're still inevitably a product of their time, due to society, concepts and fads changing and evolving with the rest of society, but the transition between an old book and a new one can be a lot more seamless than in movies for example.

I also agree with that. Our only difference is that there was more I liked outside of the one OT trilogy. But I also don't think that specific story needed to be continued, or at least not without any of Lucas' involvement.
I'm fine with side-stories like Mando or R1, and things generally happening in that universe, as long as they're good. The problem is that they rarely are, but then again, that goes for modern cinema in general.
And if you think about it, most well-known franchises have been dealt a pretty bad hand over the years. Sequels/prequels and remakes rarely improve them.