Valyrian Steel in the books. >mystical blades forged with ancient magic and dragon fire

Valyrian Steel in the books
>mystical blades forged with ancient magic and dragon fire
>smoky and dark appearance, as if drinking the light of the sun
>appears illogical upon analysis and cannot be replicated
>cannot easily be reforged, always remembers its form and tends to return to its old appearance
>lighter and stronger than steel, able to slice through iron like cloth
>owning one makes you a walking superweapon

Valyrian Steel in the show
>it's just a sword lmao

How can you possibly excuse this wasted kino?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Top is too nerdy to appeal to chad and stacy. There's a reason this show was uber popular.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Season 1-4 didn’t really seem concerned with appealing to chad and Stacy, on average they don’t even really seem to remember the early seasons, normalfags love the last 4 seasons and only think the show shit the bed halfway through season 8

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Season 1-4 didn’t really seem concerned with appealing to chad and Stacy
        Read OP again

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Season 1-4 didn’t really seem concerned with appealing to chad and Stacy
        They did, they basically waived out all the parts in the books explaining the background of families and history and replaced them with sex scenes.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          George's obsession with inane trivia bullshit to fill wiki articles with is why Feast and Dance suck so much ass and why Winds is never coming out.

          He stopped writing a story and instead started writing a fake history encyclopedia

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The genealogy autism is what made the books good instead of yet another crap fantasy slop like Malaazan or the Black Company.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a shame, they did the exact same thing with a few other characters and concepts, like euron greyjoy. (Pic related) I think they are just sadists who had a hard-on for deleting the most kino parts of the books to edge everybody since they thought it'd still be good enough.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lol, can't wait for Euron to end up being a nothingburger in the books, just to see all euronfags seethe.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >can't wait for Euron to end up being a nothingburger in the books
          You'll probably have to wait a while lmao

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >this anon thinks there will be more books
          Euron is more complex in the books, like everything, which is why they’ll never be finished.
          Fat bastard has written himself into a corner.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fat bastard has written himself into a corner
            >implying
            Unexpectedly chopping main characters heads of is a staple of the series. To every possible corner he could write himself into there's a Gordian knot tier solution. And if killing one person won't solve the problem there's weapons of mass destruction just causally flying around.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's bad writing past a certain point. It's too few books 2bh, he should have at least promised one more.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              He actually didn't kill that many characters. Compare that to Chronicles of the Black Company, where main characters die off screen in random skirmishes.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, Euron in the books is the quintessential conman. The sample chapter doesn't count, since those don't always end up being actually published, like Tyrion's meeting with the Shrouded Lord.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >since those don't always end up being actually published
              So the fat bastards wastes time writing shit that’s not even published? No wonder the last two books are never happening.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yep, I know of at least three sample chapters from the so-far released novels that never made it into official publication.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          At least he'll have been a cool nothingburger who added atmosphere. Be honest, every plot in teh books is a nothingburger, GRRM only knows how to write complex branching storylines, he doesn't know how to end them or tie loose ends together. In all the books so far each interesting storyline prematurely ends right before they it reaches its climax. He stopped writing because he's nearing the end of the series and realized he already pulled the red wedding card and can't just kill off every character with a le epic tragic shakespeare twist and pretend it's subversive writing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >GRRM only knows how to write complex branching storylines, he doesn't know how to end them or tie loose ends together.
            Lol. Lmao even.
            In book 2 already you get the feeling that he completely lost the thread he was following.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed, the youtube theories have gotten so ridiculous over the years. The fact that people believe jojen paste is real is even more absurd.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >jojen paste
            didn't know about this one, jesus goddamn christ

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            bait or never read the books, because all signs point to it being very real

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The fact that people believe jojen paste is real is even more absurd.
            Please explain how this theory is "ridiculous," if you've actually read the books

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bad take. Ironborn took on a massive role out of nowhere in book 4 because George started to like them and had a bunch of big ideas for them. The reasons the books aren't coming are mainly Tyrion, Dany and Bran and other minor mystery boxes that the fat man has no plan for.
          Either way they're never coming so we'll never know.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Euron destroying the redwyne and hightower fleets and sacking Oldtown will be paramount in distracting the Tyrell and Tarly armies to justify Aegons conquest of Kings Landing. Euron cannot be a nothing burger he is too vital to other characters arcs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He has no chances against Hightower Übermenschen

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Euron is gonna job so hard in winds

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > in winds
          He doesn’t know.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, Euron as a demonic warlock is only shown in the unreleased sample chapter, and those don't always end up in the released novels.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can't be in any novel if no more ever get published

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A young thing, buxom and pretty. She dressed in the finery of a greenland lady. In the lantern light she was the loveliest thing Aeron had ever seen.

        "Woman," he said, "I am a man of god. I command you, set me
        free."
        "Oh, I couldn't do that," she said. "I have food for you.
        Porridge and honey." She sat beside him on a stool and
        spooned it into his mouth for him.
        "What is this place?" he asked between spoonfuls.
        "My lord father's castle on Oakenshield." The Shield Islands,
        a thousand leagues from home.
        "And who are you, child?"
        "Falia Flowers, Lord Hewett's natural daughter. I am to be
        King Euron's salt wife. You and I will be kin, then."
        Aeron Damphair raised his eyes to hers. His scabbed lips
        were crusted with wet porridge. "Woman." His chains clinked
        when he moved. "Run. He will hurt you. He will kill you."
        She laughed. "Silly, he won't. I'm his love, his lady. He gives
        me gifts, so many gifts. Silks and furs and israeliteels. Rags and
        rocks, he calls them."
        The Crow's Eye puts no value in such things. That was one
        of the things that drew men to his service. Most captains kept
        the lion's share of their plunder but Euron took almost
        nothing for himself.
        "He gives me any gown I want," the girl was prattling
        happily. "My sisters used to make me wait on them at table,
        but Euron made them serve the whole hall naked! Why should he do that, except for love of me?" She put a hand on
        her belly and smoothed down the fabric of her gown. "I'm
        going to give him sons. So many sons..."
        "He has sons."
        "Baseborn boys and mongrels, Euron says. My sons will
        come before them, he has sworn, sworn by your own
        Drowned God!"
        Aeron would've wept for her. Tears of blood, he thought. "You must bear a message to my brother. Not Euron, but Victarion,
        Lord Captain of the Iron Fleet. Do you know the man I mean?"
        Falia sat back from him. "Yes," she said. "But I couldn't bring
        him any messages. He's gone.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They bound Aeron Damphair tight with strips of leather that
          would shrink when wet, clad only in his beard and
          breechclout. The Crow's Eye spoke a command; a black sail
          was raised, lines were cast off, and the Silence backed away
          from shore to the slow beat of the oarmaster's drum, her oars
          rising and dipping and rising again, churning the water.
          Above them, the castle was burning, flames licking from the open windows. When they were well out to sea, Euron
          returned to him. "Brother," he said, "you look forlorn. I have a gift for you."
          He beckoned, and two of his bastard sons dragged the woman forward and bound her to the prow on the other side
          of the figurehead. Naked as the mouthless maiden, her
          smooth belly just beginning to swell with the child she was
          carrying, her cheeks red with tears, she did not struggle as the
          boys tightened her bonds. Her hair hung down in front of her
          face, but Aeron knew her all the same.
          "Falia Flowers," he called. "Have courage, girl! All this will
          be over soon, and we will feast together in the Drowned God's
          watery halls."
          The girl raised up her head, but made no answer. She has no
          tongue to answer with, the Damphair knew. He licked his lips,
          and tasted salt.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            2edgy4me

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, Euron as a demonic warlock is only shown in the unreleased sample chapter, and those don't always end up in the released novels.

        Euron in the books is a gay shounen anime villain with no substance whom the fanboys project their fan theories onto in order to force him to be interesting.

        Show Euron is just comedic relief who serves as Cersei's muscle, but at least the show has no pretensions he's more important than he is.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp
      game of thrones is just the tudors with dragons
      has nothing to do with real fantasy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Melisandre's shadow baby was such a weird foray into abject supernatural magic, and I don't think the show ever did anything like that again, except for bran's weird shit north of the wall.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          they couldn't ignore it because it was in the book
          in reality most people in the universe still blamed Brienne for the murder so it's irrelevant.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What are you talking about? There are real warlocks who can cast a spell to multiply themselves, Dany surviving being burned in fire repeatedly, face changing magic assassins, people being brought back from the dead over and over, and the white walkers were pretty magical up until the night king nonsense. The whole idea was that dragons were the source of magic and since they had died out, so did magic. People still practiced the spells but they either didn't do anything or it barely worked. Then the dragons were born again and suddenly magic was back and working.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >warlocks who can cast a spell to multiply themselves
            They just all looked the same
            >Dany surviving being burned in fire repeatedly
            Fire resistance isn't cool fantasy magic, it's just pseudo-biblical messiah garbage
            >face changing magic
            Not magic, prove me wrong (you can't)
            Even Arya fucking did it, it was literally just a mask, at least in the show, no you don't deserve a proper explanation from Dumb & Dumber

            Anything flavored like a Jesus miracle isn't fantasy. Birthing a shadow demon who literally kills stannis and dissipates into a cloud is real high fantasy magic.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it's not magic because it doesn't have special effects like in my marvel series of movies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes exactly, high fantasy magic to be considered as such requires having cool evocative mystical effects, whether it's in written form or TV/film.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Anything flavored like a Jesus miracle isn't fantasy.
              If it's impossible in real life, it's either fantasy or sci-fi. If it's technology, it's sci-fi. If it's mysterious forces/spells/gods/enchanted items etc. it's fantasy.
              >Even Arya fucking did it, it was literally just a mask
              A mask made from the face of a corpse through mysterious means and the implied involvement of a god. Impossible to replicate in real life by any means. It's magic. It's fantasy.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              this post sounds really fat. i have a hard time believing you weigh under 250lbs.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              wait I thought Brienne killed stannis

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      unironically this, remember the whole comment about appealing to soccer moms

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the reason the show was popular was because there was a nerd fanbase who read the books hyped the show and got other internet nerds to watch it and continue the hype. then it trickled down to all the normie retards on facebook and they watched it for 7 seasons of shit because it was 'holistically' shilled to them and they wanted to stay in the know.

      After the first season or two when that audience of mouthbreathers was captured they could have put literally anything in it and they would have kept watching. And they did do tons of retarded shit and the audience didnt notice, remember the sinbad spooky skellingtons for fucks sake.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the reason the show was popular
        I think we’d be lying if we said the gratuitous sex and violence didn’t help the popularity.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that just keeps people watching because they need a payoff to the 90% of the show that is horribly written dialogue heavy scenes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      unironically this, remember the whole comment about appealing to soccer moms

      Chad and Stacy watch concerts and sporting events. Soccer moms watch reality shows. GoT was popular to capeshit fags.

      Capeshit fags are nerds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      rarely has a first post been this best, holy shit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ESL

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    name 1 character who could beat mountain wielding ice
    protip: you can't

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        a mummer's farce

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shirtless Ramsey VS Jun Snu, should have been the ultimate fight. The Fookin Legend gave Jun a better fight than Ramsey and he was like a throw-away villain

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arthur dayne with dawn would buttfuck gregor.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So how come he was killed by Howland Reed?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Luck. Also maybe magic. Howland was a bit of a hedge/swamp wizard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a bit
            He was the Knight of the Laughing Tree, has a floating castle, and is a green seer/warg. The man is full on a sorcerer.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >has a floating castle
              That’s just a crannog. Floating wooden hutts. His is probably bigger and it is apparently more like a swamp boat than a castle.
              >is a green seer/warg
              His children claim he’s not a skinchanger or a greenseer. Jojen has green sight, but is not a skinchanger or a greenseer. Howland has access to the remaining magics of the children of the forest. Presumably.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's specifically described as a castle.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it counts as one, and by House rights it is their proper seat.

                But it’s still implied to be a crannog (floating and movable structure).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Swampmagic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Luck. Also maybe magic. Howland was a bit of a hedge/swamp wizard.

        I hate how naggers treat ASOIAF like anime powerlevel shit

        You motherfuckers really get histrionically bootyblasted that when the old and out of shape Barristan Selmy got jumped by 40 guys at once he was only able to kill 20 of them before going down because uh ACKSHUALLY he should have activated ultra instinct and killed them all before going "nothing personnel, harpies"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I agree, though. Even the best fighter can be done in by their surroundings or just unfortunate circumstance.

          It’s the same with the magic—it either fucks you over or it doesn’t. Magic is about cunning, and can sidestep fighting altogether.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I still remember being annoyed to hell by the random ‘bloodraven vs Melisandre’ threads on the official asoiaf forum many years back.

            How do people even come to conclusions on mysterious matters like that. I don’t think they read the books the way they are meant to be read.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Isn’t Mel a lot older and more experienced than Bloodraven? It might not matter, since Bloodraven has access to weirwood knowledge. Although who knows how reliable that will be—I feel like the ‘weir-net’ has its own inscrutable agenda.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Either he's older or they're the same age. There's no way she's hundreds of years old under that glamour of hers. Also she actually comes across as pretty inexperienced as far as red wizards go? All she has is her shadow magic to give her a leg up.

                I think the weirwoods are the only source of knowledge that doesn't have an agenda, with all other forms being tainted by the one doing the interpretation thinking it's a god trying to tell them something. It's just a recording of the past that allows greenseers or wargs to look and learn from wise men in the past(if they held court in front of the weirwood like they should) and check up on who swore to do what. None of the First Men could trick a lady into a false marriage just to bed her for example, because the oath in front of the tree could be checked at a later date and they'd be held to their oath. Same with anyone promising to do anything, especially lords swearing fealty, which was always done in front of a weirwood so it could be recorded. A marvellous thing for a people whose population keep getting culled during harsh winters. The Weirwood Remembers.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think in the books they’ll probably skip the whole annulment thing and have Jon be true born in the eyes of the North simply due to Rhaegar and Lyanna marrying in front of a weirwood. This could cause some good conflict as well.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think the North would really give a fuck. They're going to back Jon because Robb wrote a letter legitimising him and assigning him as his only heir to the throne and the North only cares about the King In The North. The conflict will be between those who claim Jon is Robb's heir and the Westerling faction who claims they only played along with the Lannisters to keep Robb's trueborn son safe, producing a baby that they claim to be the rightful King In The North but of course they'll be his stewards and hold the power. Jon's faction will claim it's not Robb's son and the Westerling faction(backed by Northerners who don't want a bastard on the throne or want to take it for themselves in the future) will claim the letter is a forgery.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because uh ACKSHUALLY he should have activated ultra instinct and killed them all before going "nothing personnel, harpies"
          No, it's because he and the soldiers with him would be smart enough to fight in formation and use the environment to their defence to such a degree that some fags with daggers wouldn't be able to fight against spears and daggers. If Barristan had actually gone down fighting 20 proper foes that he couldn't have a hope to beat then it would have been a good way for him to out. Instead of the fight that ends with him almost winning only to get a dagger in the back and then the next episode opens to him having died in bed, robbing him of final words because D&D were bootyblasted over the actor asking them why they were butchering the storyline.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Making Barristan a PoV character was a mistake and the obscenely bloated number of PoVs in later books is a core reason why Winds is never coming out.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That has nothing to do with how D&D fucked up his death out of pettiness?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon the current show has a white haired, eye patch wearing cackling villain who is just trying to emulate his uncle.
          It's treated with anime powerlevel shit because it is anime powerlevel shit.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Aemond is very anime but he's also a very fleshed-out and relatable character with understandable motivations

            Euron is just a mysterious vague wizard man with no depth, people like Euron because of what they THINK he will do in future stories, not because of what he actually does in the books

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >a very fleshed-out and relatable character with understandable motivations

              He goes between being angry, to being raging, to being thirsty for wood witch pussy.
              What parts do you find relatable?
              I'll agree with you that Euron is currently just a vessel for fan theories, and I will be much happier if he turns out to be a conman rather than an eldritch lord.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fire and Blood isn't a real book, so I don't know/care how it presents any of the """characters"""" there. Fire and Blood is just like reading a wiki article about fake history, and GRRM wrote it the way he did specifically so he didn't have to do the hard parts of writing - actually crafting scenes, character development etc. He can just relay the bullet points historical record and call it a day.

                In the show, Aemond is a soft and gentle boy as a child who just wants to get along with his siblings, who mock him and treat him like shit for being a wimp and not being able to tame a dragon. Then he finally tames one, and instead of his siblings being congratulatory they get mad that the beta bitchboi has threatened the social hierarchy. This causes a turning point in Aemond where he decides he needs to be as vicious and confrontational as possible at ALL times because conflict is all he knows and he needs to craft this persona of being Daemon-lite to act as a suit of armor. This ultimately blows up in his face, though, because his attempt to bully Luke with a dragon ends up having deadly consequences he didn't intend

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jamie at the time he had Oathkeeper. Unlikely, but perhaps Jon with Longclaw as the magic sword benefits him way more, the Mountain can already cut through armour and one hand a greatsword so it doesn't make that much of a difference to hem.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      lem lemoncloak, arya, olenna/marg, euron, dany, any faceless man

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oberyn’s tactics would still beat him, as they revolved around not getting hit at all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      oberyn martell

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Mountain relied entirely on the fact that he could wear armour twice as heavy and thick as any other man. His actual sword skills were shit because he could just wade into the thick of battle and swing away, safe in his suit. So any decent swordsman with a valyrian blade would be able to take him down, because his +10 to armour would be negated. Hell, give a commoner a spear with a valyrian steel tip and they'd probably manage to skewer him because he'd just walk right up to them thinking he's safe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      me with a gun and a 30-foot distance starting point

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      literally anyone with a small pot of wildfire and a torch

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arya with no prep time

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Strong Belwas

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Left and Right

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sir Twenty of House Goodmen

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Drogon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ser Pounce

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ghost, Arthur Dayne, peak Robert Baratheon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ser Hulk of house Hogan, BROTHER

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >owning one makes you a walking superweapon
    which is why a random assassin having a valyrian steel dagger is retarded.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair it's just a clearly decorative dagger, like a trinket or a piece of israeliteelry, it just happens to be dangerous because it's valyrian

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't a random assasin, Joffrey hired him to kill Bran and gave him the dagger to do it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >joffrey
        Is this bait? Surely even a show watcher can't be this retarded

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Im going off the books here, both tyrion and Jamie concur that it was probably Joffrey.
          Even if it wasn't it still could have been Cersei that gave him the knife

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What the fuck incentive could joffrey possibly have to kill bran?
            He most likely wasn't aware his dad was jaime at that point in the story, was only a prince, and wouldn't have even had a single thought toward bran (positive or negative) or had incentive to assassinate him.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Ser Jaime Lannister later realizes that Joffrey sent the assassin in an attempt to impress his father, after overhearing a drunken King Robert I Baratheon say it would be kinder to put the crippled Bran out of his misery

              Joffrey is a dipshit

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the war of five kings was essentially started because joffrey did something stupid
                GRRM's writing falls apart the closer you look at it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It also started because Littlefinger lied to a bunch of people. Actually if Robert waited even a few more days before deciding that Lyanna was abducted, the whole rebellion might not have even happened.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you think about it, every major conflict and plot point before, leading up, and during to the events of the show/books was caused by a network of misunderstandings, sometimes to an incompetent level. In some cases a lie is revealed because somebody who doesn't know about it accidentally reveals it by doing something completely unrelated that just happens to conveniently set everything in motion. In other cases it's just somebody is outright wrong and makes a monumental decision (like robert's rebellion, or catelyn arresting tyrion). It's very poor writing, the series was never going to be finished because grrm's gimmick only works for twists and he doesn't actually have the writing tools or experience to wrap up a plot in a way that's poetically pleasing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think it's poor writing necessarily. Robert's rebellion was also in the works for a while, and Rhaegar was in on it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's very poor writing
                Midwit opinion, life is a series of coincidences and nothing ever goes exactly to plan.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hypermidwit opinion. Art is not life, and attempting to model fictional stories after the chaos and unpredictability of real-life events is unsatisfying, messy, and not insightful, this lesson has been learned multiple times in failed art periods through history.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pleb opinion, art doesn't have to be simple and wrap things up in a neat little bow like your bedtime stories used to. A messy, complicated narrative that mimics the chaos of real life can be far more insightful, meaningful and entertaining than some contrived, coincidence-filled kid's story. Just because things don't work out how you wanted doesn't mean it's a bad story.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pitiful strawman. It's entirely possible to write a tragedy or something that's sad/tragic or evokes negative feelings without making it messy and unpredictable, and good storytelling DOES have to be tied up in a neat little bow, since that's how we make sense of lessons. You cannot change this fact. It's true on a small scale (naturalistic transcription-style dialogue is utter garbage) and on a large scale. Story structure is wired into our brain and deviating from it is more often a sign of incompetent writing than artistic liberty. This is why there are so many wannabe amateur authors who think they are geniuses, you seem to be under the assumption that being formulaic is bad and that originality is the key to creating something special, but that's the common midwit opinion and it's incorrect.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >since that's how we make sense of lessons.
                You assume that the purpose of a story is to teach a lesson, which is exactly my point about your bedtime story assumptions. Stories can also just be entertaining, or inspire feelings in the reader without relying on an obvious moral lesson.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, a story needs a lesson. The gateway is realizing that a story needs a theme or an idea in order to work. Then from there, if you think about it hard enough and analyze stories, you will eventually realize a story needs an actual moral lesson. You gloss over the lesson in most stories because you aren't looking for it, it's too subtle, or it's complicated and you aren't willing to think about it, but the heart of a story is a lesson, it's literally the evolutionary reason why we care about stories.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds like an interesting theory but I just don't agree. A good story doesn't require a lesson to be worthwhile. There are good stories with lessons, bad stories with lessons, and good stories without lessons.
                A cohesive narrative throughline can be satisfying, but some stories are deliberately unsatisfying to make a point. If you want to get abstract about it, you could even argue that the "lesson" behind GRRM's stuff is that the world is messy and complicated, and even the most competent, well meaning individual can end up dead on the side of the road over a simple misunderstanding. That even in a world of gods and magic, there is no destiny and no heroes, just people doing things for their own reasons and the consequences of those actions. Just like real life. A genius with the potential to cure cancer can just get hit by a car and die at the age of 17; in a story this is unsatisfying but in real life it's a senseless, random event that we have to deal with.

                Or there is no lesson to his writing, and it still became one of most impactful tv shows of the past few decades without one, proving a good story doesn't need a lesson.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's indeed the point GRRM is trying to make, but the problem is that it doesn't work in a story, and he knows that. That's why he will never finish the books, because he has the skill to make a subversive fantasy story that defies the expectations of typical heroic fantasy, but he lacks the ability to tie that together into a cohesive ending that delivers the point home. He knows he will never be able to do that and that's why he stopped writing. Because his idea is fundamentally flawed.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just because he's too lazy or unskilled to pull it off doesn't mean the idea is "fundamentally flawed". The theme of "the randomness of an uncaring universe" has existed for centuries, to say that basing a story on it is some hopeless task just betrays your lack of imagination, education or both.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                His idea is fundamentally flawed, his favorite theme isn't. He just isn't a skilled enough writer to pull it off. Because when pulled off successfully, it doesn't actually look like a series of chaotic events that are loosely connected to each other.
                There's a contradiction in good stroytelling in that it often is able to deliver a point or theme without actually literally embodying the theme itself. Take dialogue as an example, it's possible to convey very realistic-feeling characters and conversations, but comparing the dialogue to actual spoken conversations in real life is a complete mismatch, real conversation transcripts are ironically unfocused and confusing/unclear to read. So at least on a small scale, in dialogue, we know that conveying a concrete feeling of reality is done by writing something unrealistic and idealized.
                The same contradiction exists on the large scale with entire stories. A story that conveys grimdark themes like moral ambiguity, unpredictability, tragedy, etc. but still adheres to the traits of good storytelling won't itself be made entirely of unpredictable chains of events and random coincidences and misunderstandings, there will still be things that make sense that tie everything together neatly, but it can (and will) paradoxically convey the right feeling and tone if done properly. GRRM doesn't know how to do that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                get off this balsa wood model airplane enthusiast createforum and go bully some REAL kids, you mean old card

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I want all my stories to be simple and predictable, I don't like it when things surprise me
                Peak autism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pitiful strawman. It's entirely possible to write a tragedy or something that's sad/tragic or evokes negative feelings without making it messy and unpredictable, and good storytelling DOES have to be tied up in a neat little bow, since that's how we make sense of lessons. You cannot change this fact. It's true on a small scale (naturalistic transcription-style dialogue is utter garbage) and on a large scale. Story structure is wired into our brain and deviating from it is more often a sign of incompetent writing than artistic liberty. This is why there are so many wannabe amateur authors who think they are geniuses, you seem to be under the assumption that being formulaic is bad and that originality is the key to creating something special, but that's the common midwit opinion and it's incorrect.

                You guys are both right. I like both kinds of stories. Good points on both sides, really.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >caused by a network of misunderstandings, sometimes to an incompetent level.
                But that's real life. In WW2 a Nazi plane crashed in Belgium holding German invasion plans but the info was ignored.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So you're saying it's anime romcom tier?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >describe great writing
                >call it very poor writing
                I'm pretty sure you're full of shit and it's nor worth reading but still you sound like a retard

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How is this poor writing? Are you capable of creating a narrative so complex that you can trace almost every death or major event back through a series of seemingly unconnected moments?
                It's like pic related, these two things seem completely unrelated unless you follow the line backwards. It's great writing if you can make a story that feels as random as this while still making sense.

                btw the sequence for this is:
                >Gerard Way witnesses 9/11 and as a consequence, starts My Chemical Romance
                >Stephanie Meyer becomes a fan of MCR and is inspired to write Twilight
                >Somewhere in Rio, a man named Felipe Neto is so outraged by the Twilight movies that he makes a hate video about them that goes viral
                >He becomes one of Brazil's biggest YouTubers. His brother Luccas Neto rides off his fame and becomes a children's YouTuber
                >Across the Atlantic, Portuguese children become obsessed with his videos.
                >Portuguese children watch his videos so much that they begin talking like they're from Rio, losing their native accent/dialect
                >Portuguese parents are horrified by the Brazilian Portuguese but can't make it stop
                >Brazilian Portuguese slowly eats alive the European Portuguese dialect

                If you asked why a generation of kids grew up with a different dialect to their parents and were told "because of 9/11", you might assume war or population displacement were involved. But the real world has shit like this going on all the time. It's a logical sequence but it also makes no fucking sense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you capable of creating a narrative so complex that you can trace almost every death or major event back through a series of seemingly unconnected moments?
                Yes. Actually, it's really fucking easy. I can just run Dwarf Fortress or Crusader Kings 2 on AI mode for a few hours and instantly I will have a log containing hundreds of years of logically consistent deaths, betrayals, etc. I can trace back exactly who was responsible for every major historical event, and the origin of every empire that rises and falls. That's not good plotting, it's not even passable plotting. The difficult thing is tying it together in a way that is thematically consistent, entertaining, and emotionally stimulating. Just autistially creating complex chains of logically connected events isn't writing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Witness a horrible event
                >Create one of the worst bands in history
                Pottery

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, surely nothing like that has ever happened in real life… except fucking world war 1 you nagger

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the war started because everyone has a natural inclination to it, with their tech level + population distribution they simply cant rule such a large landmass from any one point. that's why it took dragons to unify them as a force multiplier.

                as

                >the war of five kings was essentially started because joffrey did something stupid
                GRRM's writing falls apart the closer you look at it

                said ww1 is a good example, the war was always going to happen, the real reason was the british fearing impending german dominance (germans wanting that dominance and various other nation's interests) and franz ferdinand being assassinated by the black hand was just a convenient pretext.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That may be true, but the situation is similar in Gooty Tooty. Joffrey/Bran and Ferdinand were triggers of wars that were waiting to happen.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the war started because everyone has a natural inclination to it, with their tech level + population distribution they simply cant rule such a large landmass from any one point. that's why it took dragons to unify them as a force multiplier.

                as [...] said ww1 is a good example, the war was always going to happen, the real reason was the british fearing impending german dominance (germans wanting that dominance and various other nation's interests) and franz ferdinand being assassinated by the black hand was just a convenient pretext.

                Historylets

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                sure thing schizo

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasnt Tywin butthurt his family has no valyrian steel so he reforged Ned sword after killim him?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yea but it doesn't have anything to do with the dagger really

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Lannisters have no valyrian steel but the royal armoury had a dagger. It was Robert's, who didn't care about it at all and Joffrey probably picked it at random, only thinking that he needed a blade that his father would recognise and not realising just how recognisable the blade was.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im going off the books here, both tyrion and Jamie concur that it was probably Joffrey.
        Even if it wasn't it still could have been Cersei that gave him the knife

        What the fuck incentive could joffrey possibly have to kill bran?
        He most likely wasn't aware his dad was jaime at that point in the story, was only a prince, and wouldn't have even had a single thought toward bran (positive or negative) or had incentive to assassinate him.

        >Ser Jaime Lannister later realizes that Joffrey sent the assassin in an attempt to impress his father, after overhearing a drunken King Robert I Baratheon say it would be kinder to put the crippled Bran out of his misery

        Joffrey is a dipshit

        >the war of five kings was essentially started because joffrey did something stupid
        GRRM's writing falls apart the closer you look at it

        The Lannisters have no valyrian steel but the royal armoury had a dagger. It was Robert's, who didn't care about it at all and Joffrey probably picked it at random, only thinking that he needed a blade that his father would recognise and not realising just how recognisable the blade was.

        >people ACTUALLY believe joffrey hired the assassin
        I don't always shill preston but his videos on this are great. Tyrion's logic in coming to this conclusion is contradiction after contradiction and made while he's piss drunk. J
        Having characters reveal a mystery that blatantly and anti-climatically is also not GRRM's style at all.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Whodunnit then? Joffrey doing it is just like when he cut up a pregnant cat to show off the fetuses to his dad. Anyone else hiring the catspaw and giving them that particular dagger is a retard and it makes no sense. Joffrey is the only one who could conceivably not understand the value of the dagger.

          And no, I'm not going to watch some homosexual youtuber talking a bunch of shit for an hour so I can copy his ideas. Either discuss it with us based on your reading of the book or watching of the show or fuck off.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was probably Littlefinger. His entire plan required escalation of the Lannister/Stark conflict. Only someone who WANTED the history of the dagger to be traced would give such a recognizable dagger to the catspaw.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >littlefinger
              >hearing about Bran's fall in time to hire someone to kill him on the other side of the kingdom
              >being so crude in his framing
              Come on now.

              >The purpose of the dagger is obviously to draw attention. Joffrey doing it because he's cruel makes no sense
              No one claims Joffrey did it to be cruel. He did it to try and do what he father wants, because he's a psychopath who doesn't understand this shit and so thinks his drunken speech means he wants the boy dead. He clearly didn't stop trying to impress his father because if he did he wouldn't be doing a ton of things he did while Robert was alive, he just learn the lesson of "don't cut up cats, daddy doesn't like cutting up cats" because he's a born without the bit in his brain that would make him know why Robert was angry with him. The dagger was meant to draw his father's attention and no one else's, but he didn't know what a distinct dagger he'd picked out of Robert's collection, nor that Robert wouldn't recognise it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The purpose of the dagger is obviously to draw attention. Joffrey doing it because he's cruel makes no sense because everyone considers it merciful and Joffrey clearly doesn't care about Bran at all from what we see of him at Winterfell, and he's not exactly subtle. When he cut up the cat he got beaten and learned not to try and impress his father, why would he do it now?
                From a meta-standpoint, it's a classic red herring, just like Ned + Ashara = Jon (which is what a first-time reader would believe) and the Lannisters killing Jon Arryn. GRRM quite likes these ironies where someone you're meant to hate turns out to not be responsible for some bad thing they were accused of, but the reader doesn't question it because the already hate the character.
                Anyway I like the Mance theory. Has all the motive, reveals himself that he was in Winterfell with a bag of silver at the time and the assassin was found with a bag of silver. Littlefinger theory is okay but kind of doesn't work because of logistics but then George isn't great at logistics. And again it not being Littlefinger is classic GRRM, you're instantly ready to believe he hired the assassin once you find out he lied about the dagger, because you already hate him, but in reality he's just an opportunist making shit up as he goes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                See this requires Joffrey to be basically two different people. One is smart enough to seek out a competent and reliable assassin without raising any alarms (kinda baffling for a sheltered silver-spoon child with servants who would just report this shit to either his mother or father if he tried to do it through them), somehow convinces the assassin to do it with that specific dagger instead of just strangling the kid, and is smart enough to let it wait until they've all left Winterfell because he knows the assassination will obviously not be well-received.
                The other, despite knowing his drunkard father for a decade, knowing his massively different moods depending on his sobriety, despite knowing that the assassination has potential to cause unwanted trouble for his father like we established above, somehow believes that when his sober father hears "hey dad I sent an assassin to kill your best friend's son (who clearly didn't want his son dead) because of some throwaway comment you made while off your head drunk", the response is going to be "well done son". Even if this was the case we get not even a hint that Robert ever learned of this, even when he's on his deathbed. So if this was the case then Joffrey likely never revealed it to him, even though they were already back at King's Landing before anyone learned that the assassination attempt had happened and failed. So he did it for his father's approval and never revealed it to his father?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a competent and reliable assassin
                he failed at his task because of a single woman whose main battle tactic was to grab the dagger by its fucking blade, he was obviously just some gutter retard told to do the job

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He starts a fire as a distraction to go after a high-profile target that would mean painful death for him if caught, when he could've just fucked off with the money because his (alleged) employer is already long gone. Yeah, that's a dedicated assassin.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Or a greedy retard told to start a fire to distract people, who's stupid enough to believe that he'll get paid even more money once he finishes the job. He's obviously not used to killing or Catelyn fucking Stark wouldn't have been able to stop him.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hey dumb peasant, when you're done with this incredibly dangerous job, travel all the way to king's landing, somehow find a way of contacting me, the crown prince, without anyone else knowing, and I'll pay you more
                >yes of course I am both simultaneously dumb enough to believe this AND dedicated enough to do this extremely dangerous mission instead of just chilling with the money
                this just doesn't seem right does it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                As opposed to Littlefinger or some other fuck hiring an actual assassin who somehow can't deal with a retard like Cat? That sure makes all the sense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A woman managing to not get killed for a few seconds before being saved by Wolf Ex Machina is perfectly believable, yes.
                And again, what the hell are the logistics of Joffrey, by himself, hiring this assassin; is sneaking off in a dirty cloak in the middle of the night to some dingy low-life den like the king in fucking Shrek 2? Come on now. Or did his retainers who he's constantly followed around by just let him do it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Or did his retainers who he's constantly followed around by just let him do it?
                With all the other shit they let him do out of fear? Probably, yeah. He wouldn't have to tell them "get me an assassins and give them his dagger to kill Bran Stark", he'd just tell them to get him someone who can do a job for him. Who are they to question their Lord and who are they going to complain to that would listen to their word over Joffrey's?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's a dumb 12 year old, his retainers are loyal to his parents, not him, and part of their job is to make sure he isn't left alone with some random low-life bum for he gives money to for an unexplained reason.
                Yeah it's possible, but this is an increasingly bizarre scenario, there are other possibilities, and characters coming to incorrect conclusions based on their personal bias is nothing new in this story. And frankly you're picking on smaller and smaller aspects of the whole picture to contradict with each post.

                >And again, what the hell are the logistics of Joffrey, by himself, hiring this assassin; is sneaking off in a dirty cloak in the middle of the night to some dingy low-life den like the king in fucking Shrek 2? Come on now.
                Retard you understand that he's been around hundreds or thousands of sellswords his entire life that kiss is ass as hard as they possibly can right? He was the heir to a kingdom, it's pretty believable that someone assigned to him would be willing to arrange that for him (especially for a piece of fucking Valyrian steel)

                The crown prince, personally interacting with lowborn no-name sellswords constantly? Lol no.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The crown prince, personally interacting with lowborn no-name sellswords constantly? Lol no.
                Ever heard of a knight? You realize any retard count have found that catspaw and paid him to assassinate Cat in Joffrey's place right? Hell, Meryn fucking Trant could have done it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So we now have a middleman, 100% loyal to Joffrey, hiring the retarded but extremely dedicated assassin for him. So now the assassin is doing this highly risky job for the hope of future reward not from the prince, but from some guard in the royal party, long since departed, instead of, once again, just fucking off with the money.
                And we also have the issue that despite this whole elaborately planned scheme (extremely out of character for instant-gratification Joffrey) supposedly being for Robert's approval, Robert was pretty obviously never told about it.
                I don't think GRRM made the Lannister siblings all come to the conclusion it was Joffrey because he needed the reader to have an answer, I think he did it because he needed the Lannister siblings to have an answer, because they obviously had to discuss such a pivotal event when they were all together again, and they can't conclude it's Littlefinger or someone else they have no clue about, and they can't be happy with no answer since their stories need to progress without this nagging question, so through shoddy biased logic they come to that conclusion and pin it on a dead guy. Contrived, but it would be far more contrived if it actually was Joffrey. Hell if we're looking for other suspects even Cersei herself makes more sense.
                Anyway fun thread but I'm going to bed now.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wow you are dumb

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And again, what the hell are the logistics of Joffrey, by himself, hiring this assassin; is sneaking off in a dirty cloak in the middle of the night to some dingy low-life den like the king in fucking Shrek 2? Come on now.
                Retard you understand that he's been around hundreds or thousands of sellswords his entire life that kiss is ass as hard as they possibly can right? He was the heir to a kingdom, it's pretty believable that someone assigned to him would be willing to arrange that for him (especially for a piece of fucking Valyrian steel)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The purpose of the dagger is obviously to draw attention. Joffrey doing it because he's cruel makes no sense because everyone considers it merciful and Joffrey clearly doesn't care about Bran at all from what we see of him at Winterfell, and he's not exactly subtle. When he cut up the cat he got beaten and learned not to try and impress his father, why would he do it now?
            From a meta-standpoint, it's a classic red herring, just like Ned + Ashara = Jon (which is what a first-time reader would believe) and the Lannisters killing Jon Arryn. GRRM quite likes these ironies where someone you're meant to hate turns out to not be responsible for some bad thing they were accused of, but the reader doesn't question it because the already hate the character.
            Anyway I like the Mance theory. Has all the motive, reveals himself that he was in Winterfell with a bag of silver at the time and the assassin was found with a bag of silver. Littlefinger theory is okay but kind of doesn't work because of logistics but then George isn't great at logistics. And again it not being Littlefinger is classic GRRM, you're instantly ready to believe he hired the assassin once you find out he lied about the dagger, because you already hate him, but in reality he's just an opportunist making shit up as he goes.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You forget that the assassin was never meant to be caught. The dagger was meant to be payment for the deed, and our boy Joff has no idea what shit is worth.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Could've just made it look like damascus steel or wootz steel

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >look like damascus steel
      But they did do that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't count if it's inconsistent

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          But it isn't

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fucking fat fucker just stole the sword after disgracing his family and is smug about it like he's the good guy for doing so

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              did he even do something of importance with it? i forgot.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He gave it to Jorah Mormont, not sure why he stole it in the first place

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gave it to Jorah so he could use it in the zombie fight? Or was it Jon? All I remember is seeing the fat fuck lying on his back slashing zombie ankles with a knife and somehow surviving instead of getting run through with a sword.

                fucking lame. jorah just used it to fight a bunch of random zombies amounting to nothing

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why does every plot development need to have world-shaking consequences to ASOIAF autists?

                Sam took the sword because the North needed Valyrian weapons, and he handed it off to Jorah because despite what Dany did to his family he knew Jorah was honorable. It was a nice moment. I'm sorry Jorah didn't use it kill the Night King bur if he did I'm sure you'd whine about that too, homosexual

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dude why do you need plot development just let Jorah take the sword and die with it in battle that's an epic conclusion stop criticizing everything

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Needing every single disparate plot point to have some world-ending revelation attached to it is why you're never getting Winds, homosexual

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We're criticizing the shitty show not the book, ass

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're asking for the show to do the same shit that made Feast and Dance dogshit before they made Winds incompletable

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gave it to Jorah so he could use it in the zombie fight? Or was it Jon? All I remember is seeing the fat fuck lying on his back slashing zombie ankles with a knife and somehow surviving instead of getting run through with a sword.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    naked Emilia
    all is forgiven

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    season 1 was kino without all that magical shit
    season 2 was garbage

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't want to send poor Moorcock into full cardiac arrest by reminding him that the entirety of post-Toklien fantasy is unaccredited rip-offs of this work. Same reason they made the Witcher shows so shit. He's not a young man anymore you know, but once his spirit leaves his body, he will be unfethered by the weakness of flesh, and his revenge will know no limits.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    D&D admitted they cut as many fantasy elements as possible because they wanted the soccer mom audience

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Soccermoms just luv dat dragon vs icezombie evvyday shit lmao

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >as many as possible

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          As long as they got a big titty redhead self-insert they know is gonna get raped, they're all aboard. Your v-card is showing

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do the books peak with the war of the five kings too?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The books are still currently in the middle of their peak.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't belive this fat fuck is dedicating more of his attention to a fucking HBO spin-off show of an adaptation of his work than to actually fucking finishing his work.
    Also, how big of a disaster do you think the Jon Snow show will be? I honestly wouldn't mind if they did GoT: Brotherhood and redid everything past season 5. It's like star wars, where all these shows come out, but all they lead into in the end is "somehow palpatine returned".
    Noone should give a fuck about spin-offs so long as the main story has a shit conclusion.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, how big of a disaster do you think the Jon Snow show will be?
      Jesus I forgot they were making that, so weird they're calling it a "spin off" when it's a fucking continuation of the protagonists story
      Obviously they want to leave a better taste in peoples mouths and its going to backfire immensely, no matter how good the writers they get are there's no salvaging the setting after D&D's butchery of it.

      I've said it before but if they were going to end up pulling this shit anyway why couldn't they just get new writers and make the show go on longer to tell the complete story the way both GRRM and HBO wanted since D&D didn't want to continue. I find it disrespectful they even used Georges outline for the ending if they were going to just lazily rush it instead of making up their own like FMA 03. We got the worst possible outcome in every way

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They basically looked right. Martin was describing the appearance of Damascus steel, and the Valyrian swords in the show were pattern welded Damascus. Just because you pictured some kind of freaky deaky super special metal because you don’t know what swords look like isn’t the shows problem. Only difference is they didn’t go with the colored blades, and that’s probably for the best.that doesn’t look good on camera. Those sometimes look good irl, but they always look like shit in pictures. It would make it look like they were fighting with those red nerf swords.

    But they dropped the ball hard on Dawn. It should have looked special.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dropped the ball hard on Dawn
      they dropped the ball hard on just about everything in that scene. one of my favourite parts of the books. I'm still mad

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s been a while since I read storm of swords but If you need magic to forge it, how did Tywin have it remade into 2 swords?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they don't know how to create new metal of the same quality but a few people know how to reforge it. Reforging meaning they just heat it up and bang it into a new shape (though the blood red color of the lannister swords imply the smith also did some sacrifices for the spell aspect)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If it's blood red it implies it's oxidised and would be literally the worst sword imaginable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No it's red because of magic.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you think rust is blood red?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The books sound cringe

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Book nerds ruin everything with their autism, they should fuck off to Cinemaphile with all the other no pussy losers.
      Fucking sick of seeing these incels in every thread “hurr durr I’ve read the book” like they think it impresses everyone how smart they must be because they can read, but in reality it just shows everyone they don’t have sex and don’t goto parties

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dragonglass in the books
    >obsidian by another name
    >takes time to make arrowheads or daggers with because you have to have the skill to knap it, so there's little of it still around
    >easily kills Others but are useless against reanimated flesh

    Dragonglass in the show
    >a rock that you somehow just smelt and pour into moulds to make weapons in an hour
    >no one even thinks to make arrowheads out of it, despite having a group of people famous for their horse archery skills
    >one hit kills Others AND wights, rendering the alliance between the First Men and The Children of The Forest completely nonsensical

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything you just wrote is wrong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lazy troll

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>no one even thinks to make arrowheads out of it, despite having a group of people famous for their horse archery skills
      They had obsidian arrows in the show

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They certainly didn't give them to the Dothraki or anyone who could have used one against the fuckhueg dragon that would have been easily killed with just one arrow hitting it. Who gives a shit if they appeared in some scene where they weren't used properly against the threat, so that they could instead have everyone ride to their death or flailing about surrounded by zombies in a courtyard, slashing away.

        Everyone just kind of forgot what a Keep is designed for.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It pissed me off how they didn't make Ned use Ice or Arthur Dayne use Dawn in the flashback but then I realized

    Has any movie or TV show actually shown greatsword / zweihander combat? If so, are there any that are actually decent portrayal?

    The best one I came across was this one

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    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But anon... Arthur Dayne did use Dawn. You could tell it was Dawn because it had a sun sticker on it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think they were used to mess up pike formations and not much else. p.s. all the dark souls heavy animations suck

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best depiction ive seen is these HEMA guys making videos to show off how historical european martial arts were actually a legit skill and look actually badass.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Magic is the coolest aspect of the books
    >Show completely ignores it

    Pretty lame tbh. They could have even had a happy ending with magic showing Jon's magical Targaryen cum being able to make Dany pregnant again and overriding the dark magic that made her sterile. Would have been cool to see how he really was the chosen one

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd almost rather have the gibberish ending we got than that harry-potter tier trash.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Magic is the coolest aspect of the books
      Imagine being this braindead. A book series lauded for its down to earth political intrigue and you instead start clapping like a seal at the few bits of magic in it, as if it's anywhere near other fantasy books that actually deal with magic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Um, the magic in asoiaf is likened to horror, so if you like horror, mystery, and the deep unknown, then the magic/occult aspects will appeal. The nature of magic in this world is rather suspicious, as well as sinister. There is no such thing as ‘good’ magic, not really.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no such thing as ‘good’ magic
          Aren’t the weirwoods good? Hippy nature religion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon they did human sacrifices, stringing entrails up in the tree branches. The only thing that makes the weirwoods stand out is the fact that they're the only 'gods' that are proven real, since they're an ancestral memory helping out its descendants while all the other stuff is just magic users thinking they're doing the bidding of some god even though they all work against each other. While using their own life force or that of others to perform all their little 'god-given miracles'.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >they're the only 'gods' that are proven real
              Did you forget about R'hllor straight up resurrecting people left and right? That's not magic, because while Melisandre did know how to perform shadow magic, Thoros didn't.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not magic, because while Melisandre did know how to perform shadow magic, Thoros didn't.
                Thoros out of desperation recited a prayer meant to resurrect people. He was already a red priest (the one assigned to try and convert the King of Westeros) so he wasn't some nobody

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Said prayer only worked when he used it, though, and even then, only when he used it on Beric. Melisandre had to go through a whole complicated ritual much more comparable to blood magic (burning body parts like hair, for instance ; would it have not worked if Jon had been bald) to get Jon back, and it apparently lasted hours. When Jon is brought back, it takes several minutes for him to compose himself. Thoros says one prayer and in a few seconds Beric is alive and well and fully healed, and able to quip. Jon is also not changed in any way, while Beric says that being resurrected rips away parts of you.
                Thoros also never does anything else even remotely magical beyond lighting his sword on fire, which is implied to be some kind of trick rather than actual magic.
                I don't think what Thoros did and what Melisandre did are actually that comparable. It feels like Melisandre's process is just a form of blood magic, while Thoros actually did resurrect Beric through faith alone.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Melisandre had to go through a whole complicated ritual much more comparable to blood magic
                see:

                The resurrection spell isn't shadow magic. It's trading your own life force for another's, instead of using that of other people or unborn children. That's why Melly can't do it, because she's an old hag on her last legs beneath her glamour, and why Thoros went from a jolly fat man who was the life of every party to a tired skeleton with big folds of skin hanging off of him. He wasn't even a believer when he recited the spell that had not been useful in so many centuries that it had become nothing but a funeral rite, because the magic waned from the world.

                If R'hllor was real then he wouldn't have twenty priests working at cross purposes. They're all just fire magicians who think they're being contacted by their god when they're using a firescrying spell that Maester Marwyn could just as easily use.

                Melly is a bag of dusty bones, full of green dust. She can't use her own life force.

                >Thoros also never does anything else even remotely magical beyond lighting his sword on fire, which is implied to be some kind of trick rather than actual magic.
                No, he USED to employ a trick back when he did it at tourneys. But when magic returned to the land he found that the old spell that he based his trick on started to work again, allowing him to light swords on fire without it destroying them like it did when he used oils and real fire.

                >Thoros actually did resurrect Beric through faith alone.
                The whole point of Thoros' character is that he WASN'T a believer like Melisandre is. He'd completely given up his attempts to convert the kingdom because he didn't believe his God was real, instead spending his time drinking, fighting and fucking. Until he uttered an old spell only used at burials these days and it brought someone back, giving him back his hope of there being a God. There was no faith involved when he first said it, it was just a custom to him. Like someone saying "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" at a funeral and the body suddenly turns to dust before their eyes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The resurrection spell isn't shadow magic. It's trading your own life force for another's, instead of using that of other people or unborn children. That's why Melly can't do it, because she's an old hag on her last legs beneath her glamour, and why Thoros went from a jolly fat man who was the life of every party to a tired skeleton with big folds of skin hanging off of him. He wasn't even a believer when he recited the spell that had not been useful in so many centuries that it had become nothing but a funeral rite, because the magic waned from the world.

                If R'hllor was real then he wouldn't have twenty priests working at cross purposes. They're all just fire magicians who think they're being contacted by their god when they're using a firescrying spell that Maester Marwyn could just as easily use.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hur dur it’s real because something happened
                That logic doesn’t add up. Religion isn’t supposed to be truthful or honest as a rule. R’hllor could be some wizard using a glass candle, similar to how the old gods are implied to be greenseers.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                By that logic, there is no guarantee that any Gods in that world are real, including the Old Gods.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is a god is entirely subjective you dolt. Christ. “That’s not a god, THIS is a God!”.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the point, anon. There are no actual Gods in the world, the only ones that come close are the Weirwoods because they actually are a databank of all that's happened before them, able to guide their followers as long as they're not cut down. Instead of the worshippers looking into a fire using magic and seeing visions of the future and making the jump to believing there must be a God sending that message, even though non-believers can use the same magic.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The weirwoods have parallels in Essos, in the form of the Boash’i and the trees of the warlocks / the Undying.

                The Valyrians are also implied to have weaponized religion using glass candles, replicating the farseering feats and capabilities of the greenseers, and considered themselves “above the gods”.

                The “gods” may just be other magic-users. A ladder of them. Wizards all the way up and down. The higher up you go the more alien it seems.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t forget the Ifrequevron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weirwood magic used to be powered with human sacrifices. It's implied it might still be.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weirwoods are assholes. The old gods are bastards. If you read the books, one of the children of the forest tells Bran that the old gods ‘bless’ youths with lives of suck, unless they attach themselves to a tree.

            Magic is psychotic. Also a pedophile. It seriously entertains the practice of torturing kids.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They ignored a lot of it, but also butchered it too.

      They fucked up the warlocks and the house of the undying so bad. Where was Melisandre sniping the warg’s eagle? Why did they axe the Quaithe character? Where the FUCK is archmaester Marwyn? Ian McShane would have made an amazing Marwyn too…

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Bran wargs through time to make Hodor a retard
        >it's never brought up again, he does nothing with his newfound superpower
        I really wish the fatman would live long enough to release the next book just to see what he was doing with Hodor and Bran. It's clear that the same thing happens in the books because D&D clearly stole it from there with no idea what to do with it beyond "a heckin' surprise twist for our finale!". Is it Bran going down a monstrous path where he uses everyone like pawns? Or will he accidentally do that to Hodor and decide to never use that power again for fear of what he might do? Either one could conceivably happen and would make for some very interesting chapters. Meanwhile D&D just had Bran get wheeled around so he could stare autistically at people.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    can anyone shop the op image to make the the sword gigantic or sean bean really small?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Photoshop Sean Bean into an actual bean

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not my forte but I did my best

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Big hands
        I love it
        Thank you anon

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Nailed it"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Boltons were side characters in the show's narrative so this doesn't really count. It's the wrong complaint.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Rob was dumb marrying Talisa
      To be fair, in the show he WAS nothing but a retard. That said, the Northerners should still be pissed at the breaking of Guest Right and curse a ton of show characters for being kinslayers, like Ramsey who didn't even try to hide it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Improved version:

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Spunky peasant girl
          She's a Volantine noblewoman lol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly didn't even remember that

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >eastern savage
            >noble
            Nice try Essos.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Rob was dumb marrying Talisa
          To be fair, in the show he WAS nothing but a retard. That said, the Northerners should still be pissed at the breaking of Guest Right and curse a ton of show characters for being kinslayers, like Ramsey who didn't even try to hide it.

          Forgetting also that Tywin influenced the Westerling family to do specifically this, the mom was giving Jeyne moon tea the whole time so she wouldn’t get pregnant, and she avoids the entire red wedding for reasons I don’t remember. Way better story than grl power sexy healer

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And it makes Robb much more honorable/likable instead of making him seem like an immature retard

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And it makes Robb much more honorable/likable instead of making him seem like an immature retard

            No one cares about Jeyne Westerling, Jeyne Poole, or Edric Storm unless they're just using them as a cudgel to whine against DnD changing anything in the show out of autistic principle

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It completely ruins Robb's tragedy, which is the whole reason why Storm of Swords is considered the most loved book in the series. You're a brainlet if you think the change doesn't matter.

              The Jeyne Poole change also matters because it makes Littlefinger into a colossal retard out of nowhere.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Robb is barely even a fucking character in the books and Jeyne doesn't even register to most people, lmao. I don't even remember, does she even actually appear in Storm or is she just alluded to? I know Jaime meets her briefly in Feast.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You have such a terrible understanding of the books, speedreader

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying he's not a wikifag

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good point, he probably is

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                In the far future after blacks and chinks have taken over the earth do you think future movies will whitewash black characters and they will have the same discussions crying about jamal the crack dealer living in the bronx being white for no reason?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >after blacks and chinks have taken over the earth

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Demographics is destiny.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah if you don't account for intelligence work ethic or moral principals (primary driving forces behind civilization building). It's no wonder there are so many thriving societies in Africa!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks it takes intelligence to fuck
                I never said they would have thriving societies. I guess it was too much to assume they would be capable of creating their own version of hollywood. But whites are already replacing themselves through "migration" and every black is having 3x as many children as every white. I don't want it to happen I just see the writing on the wall.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Half of Africa is already under replacement rate.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying he's not a wikifag

                >Robb is barely even a fucking character
                You're a literal fucking retard.

                I read the books almost 10+ years ago and stopped giving a shit about them because Feast and Dance sucked so bad and Winds is never coming lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lmao
                seething wikifag confirmed

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                t. read the books in 2016 while waiting for season 7 but hates the show even though it's the only reason he likes the franchise in the first place

                lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon by your own words you read the books at some point after the last book was released.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the hypocritical show secondary pretending the show never did anything right even though Benioff and Weiss' adaptation is the only reason I'm aware of the series in the first place

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nooo you can't just prefer the mona lisa if you only heard about it from the mona lisa made out of shit!!! HYPOCRITE!!!
                ok

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                t. read the books in 2016 while waiting for season 7 but hates the show even though it's the only reason he likes the franchise in the first place

                lmao

                >lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Robb is barely even a fucking character
                You're a literal fucking retard.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine being a bookfag and defending the show in any way. Couldn't be me

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is there a compilation of all the "nailed it" posts?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I added the "nailed it" to all of the book vs show images that other people made. Here I will post all of them:

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nah lacking Poole makes Littlefinger seem moronic and kind of just spinning his wheels waiting to eventually not be the smartest man in the room.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Improved version:

        >girl with a large ass
        Based Robb

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Forgetting also that Tywin influenced the Westerling family to do specifically this, the mom was giving Jeyne moon tea the whole time so she wouldn’t get pregnant, and she avoids the entire red wedding for reasons I don’t remember. Way better story than grl power sexy healer

        >Jeyne raped Robb while he was in a heavily induced medical coma

        Huh never looked at it this way it kind of sort of resembles what Lysa did to Littlefinger a bit I always figured that Robb just liked how kind and caring Jeyne was while he was ill but I never suspected she could've potentially manipulated him while he was recovering

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >she could've potentially manipulated him
          She didn't. She and her brother really did love Robb. They were just manipulated by their mother, pawns in a game they didn't understand.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw never seen the last two seasons
    and I don't know what happened cause I'm waiting for the books
    is it over for me? should I just watch the show?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I regret watching the last 2 seasons of the show. It's not bad in a fun way that's nice to make funof either, it's genuinely a complete and utter waste of time. You won't be satisfied.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every sword fight automatically ends with the Valyrian steel sword's owner as the winner
    Yes, this would make great television.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Claymore? How about Clay-less

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    None of this shit matters because gurm wrote himself into a corner and thus the books will never be finished while he is still alive. The show is Canon now.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The show sucked regarding the fantasy elements, and dumb & dumber went out of their way to avoid the fantasy aspects, even make them look silly. I still don’t know why.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I still don’t know why.
      They literally say why in that image.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They literally say why in that image.
        They said they didn’t like the fantasy, so why did they make the fantasy worse? They didn’t even care about the integrity. Why dislike something to the point of making it even more dislikable?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          To appeal to normies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      theres a lot of silly shit in the books. stannis is supposed to have a glowing red magic sword thats supposed to be lightbringer, the sword used by azor ahai, but its a fake

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      remember when lena headey posted a stone heart right before the finale of season 4. she knew what she was doing trying to troll us

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        She would have killed that role.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I remember ……..

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we wanted to appeal to mothers
      >so we deleted the mother character just as she was about to become a bigger player taking revenge against her son's murderers
      u wot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I still don’t know why.
      Just read the last fucking sentece?
      The israelites wanted goyslop of the lowest denominator.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    LOOK AT MY SWORD

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You want a good girl, but you need da bad poosey

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would. Also she was the favorite one.

      >The crown prince, personally interacting with lowborn no-name sellswords constantly? Lol no.
      Ever heard of a knight? You realize any retard count have found that catspaw and paid him to assassinate Cat in Joffrey's place right? Hell, Meryn fucking Trant could have done it.

      the 3th eye stuff alwasy get me.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are those the real proportions of the sword?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      YES. JUST LOOK AT IT.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    joffrey sent the catspaw, its confirmed by grrm

    stop watching retarded youtubers who come up with fanic theories

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Young Griff gonna get her back, bros?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If George doesn't retcon his obvious plans to have Blackfyre in Illyerio's chest, then yes. It doesn't matter regardless because the book will never come out obviously

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    everything that's fantastical in the books is made worse in the show. especially the white walkers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My personal pet peeve are the Thenns. In the books they're the only wildling tribe who stays in one place, have nobles and can forge their own weapons. They still speak the Old Tongue and it makes you wonder what histories have been passed down in their kingdom from before the Andals came.

      In the show they're the cannibals that all the other wildlings hate for being too uncivilised, but for no discernable reason at all they're the only ones with new shiny weapons.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Luke, did I ever tell you about Winds of Winter? It was a novel set to release in the early half of the 2010s, thousands of years ago.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Valyrian steel was always meant to be the fantasy version of Damascus steel. Book tossers are merely deluded.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >grrm wrote a bunch of in lore lies to confuse readers in the future when the tv show is made
      Damn really gotta give the guy credit that is some 8d chess.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is ASOIAF the Dark Souls of fantasy literature

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Casual reminder that Sansa will end up with Aegon and there will be some weird love triangle between her, Aegon, and Tyrion GRRM wanted a love triangle in the last book in the original draft I think we'll get a big one just the people will be different Tyrion will potentially try and win Sansa back but annuls their marriage so she can be wtih Aegon. Tyrion will more than likely play a part in Daenery's downfall possibly murdering her then exiling himself to the wall his actions almost mirroring Jaime murdering Aerys potentially to stop Daenerys doing something stupid like setting off the wildfyre underneath King's Landing but Westeros will see him as a nothing more than a monster who comitted regicide also further proof Aegon and Sansa will end up with one another

    >Both have been manipulated by Littlefinger and Aerys Aegon is Varys while Sansa is Littlefinger's pawn both living under different identities waiting for the right moment to reveal themselves
    >Sansa's haircolour is red a key colour in Targaryen family being on their sigil while Aegon's haircolour is white also a key colour being on the background behind the wolf on the Stark family sigil both Sansa and Aegon's hair mirror colours on their respective family crests
    >Ashford theory suggests Sansa will potentially end up with a Targaryen we might never get a 100% clear answer on whether Aegon is a real Targ, a Blackfyre, or whatever but this could be a big clue
    >A Stark(Lyanna) and Targaryen(Rhaegar) caused this mess and a Stark(Sansa) and Targaryen(Aegon) will fix this mess bookending the series

    There's obviously a lot more in common between the two but I think it's a pretty fascinating series of connections

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are trying way way too hard to make it seem like your theory is beautifully woven throughout the narrative.
      Seriously do you actually believe that 2nd line bit about hair color?
      If so, stop it you are grasping. If not brilliant bait because it's so self assured and stupid that it should always work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Casual reminder that Sansa will end up with Aegon and there will be some weird love triangle between her, Aegon, and Tyrion
      So she just completely ignores Harry the heir and Sandor???

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >oh that disease that slowly turns you to stone? Actually all you have to do is peel the scabs off and you're cured, with no danger of infecting everyone you touch like the other guys do. We never told anyone because the Maesters kept being infected by fucking up and scratching their nose when they were doing the peeling and it was embarrassing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hey we should go forward with that Jon Connington arc like from the books, just have Jorah do it because we don't know what to do with him
      >Oh fuck Connington is going to die from that? Well we don't really want Jorah to die, let's just heal him I guess idk

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it was that Jon dies from it. I think it was that they realised that his whole purpose is to unleash the plague in Westeros, crippling them even further before The Long Night. They just couldn't stand having to write scenes showing commoners catching the plague and draw the timeline out until it's spread and made people sick, because they wanted to be done with everything quickly. The same reason there was no siege against the Tyrells. So Jorah just gets cured instead, to wrap that plotline up and give Sam something to do.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Jon being haunted by the Battle of the Bells is obviously setting him up to go nuts when the bells ring in King's Landing somehow. The Greyscale definitely won't kill him.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >George: Tolkien should have written about sex.
    >Also George: "Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons off my face and fingers one by one, all pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs."

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whats your favourite asoiaf theories, no matter how batshit.

    Quentyn is the tattered prince

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Darkstar is future Bran.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Whats your favourite asoiaf theories
      GRRM will die before it's finished

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He said theories

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That one isn't even batshit. What other purpose would GRRM have for setting up the Mummer's Tears?

      For me it's probably that Benjen and Lyanna were having an incestuous relationship and that was the reason why Benjen took the black and Lyanna ran away from home, as well as why Benjen acts closer to Jon than the other kids.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Theon Durden.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fetch me my Valyrian steel gaming mouse

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Theon realistically should be dead succumbing to the flaying and torure he received from Ramsey but maybe he's already dead and we don't know it could be one of the perks of Greyjoy genes I guess

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nigga he escaped along with fake arya, he`s currently in stannis warcamp as a prisoner and spilling all of ramsay`s secrets.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder Cersei will be killed by one of Robert's bastards when King's Landing is eventually beseiged as she attempts to try and escape she'll get strangled by someone who looks like Robert and realizes it was the Valonqar before dying her last image seeing Robert's face reflected in the bastard strangling her

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Roose is no longer loose.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok done

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'll help

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >andle

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