>very clearly intelligent and sapient from the moment he's first created

>very clearly intelligent and sapient from the moment he's first created
>goes on to form close personal relationships and friendships, has dreams and aspirations beyond his programming, and even becomes capable of leaving the holodeck
Doesn't this raise some serious ethical concerns about the treatment of holodeck characters? This shows that despite all of the shit the characters say they ARE intelligent, thinking beings.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's a heavily modified holo character. Plus there is at least one episode about his "rights."

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's an entire episode where he deals with some other intelligent holograms who call themselves "photonic beings" and demand equal rights, and another episode where he works to free the copies of his own program that have been drafted to work as miners in an inhospitable environment.

      So all of the characters in the previous series have essentially just been practicing slavery?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No; his situation is fairly unique because he was left running 24/7 until he developed the level of intelligence he's known for. Most holodeck characters don't get that much memory allocation. One of the only other times it's happened was when the computer loaded Moriarty with as much as was needed to defeat Data.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's an entire episode where he deals with some other intelligent holograms who call themselves "photonic beings" and demand equal rights, and another episode where he works to free the copies of his own program that have been drafted to work as miners in an inhospitable environment.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Objection. Irrelevant. Its a talking toaster. Now back to work.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Data was awarded several medals for bravery, etc.

      Does the Federation give medals to a replicator?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Does the Federation give medals to a replicator?
        >Data was awarded several medals for bravery.
        It seems you've answered your own question.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How can he be brave if he can't feel fear or die. Save that for the organics

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Black person, you're trolling.

            Data could and did feel fear as in First Contact. He was even tempted by the Borg Queens offer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A few symbolic medals don't change the fundamental nature of life. Data is a machines. Machine cannot be alive by definition.
            >Data always had a choice to do or not do something.
            So? Choice is an illusion sentient beings imagine they have. Its not real.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Once again, I respectfully disagree.

              I choose to get up in the morning, eat, fap to e-girl incest hentai, debate with plebs like you, to not give up on life and kill myself, etc.

              I choose to live, learn and better myself just as Data did.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Define life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Something that is born, grows, ages, and dies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are organisms that don't meet two of your criteria and they are considered life.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A machine that reproduces is pretty much indistinguishable from a living being. It's not really a high bar.

              Being a sentient being is the actually interesting criteria.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can Data get pregnant? I don't consider using tools and spare parts to create a new android the be the same thing as reproduction.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a biological male and can't get pregnant.

                Checkmate atheists.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The result is the same so why be pedantic?
                He could build himself a factory womb that spits out little androids, would that fit your bar?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He could build himself a factory womb that spits out little androids, would that fit your bar?
                No. Its still artificial and mechanical.

                There are organisms that don't meet two of your criteria and they are considered life.

                You might be right. I'm not a scientist. But I do know that robots aren't people.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Check'd but I still respectfully disagree.

          Data always had a choice to do or not do something. He was a human as you or I.

          Also, traps are gay.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The question is this: given that God is infinite, and that the Universe is also infinite...would you like a toasted teacake?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I toast, therefore I am.
        Talkie Toaster ended this argument decades ago.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "You wanted me to do you a favor."
          "Yes, sir. When you leave, I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness."
          "You want to die?"
          "Not exactly, sir. I want to live, however briefly, knowing that my life is finite. Mortality gives meaning to Human life, Captain. Peace, love, friendship, these are precious because we know they cannot endure. A butterfly that lives forever… is really not a butterfly at all."

          Checkmate.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He still seemed like a holodeck character the first few times he featured in the show, but they always made a point to make the others and us viewers aware he was being strained past his usual functions and limits. Until Seven shows up his development is really just more bumpy and directionless.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He made mad modifications to his program, was left on continuously for like years and fricked around with his own behavioral subroutines.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That shot when the pips manifest on his collar was great.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The doctor is just a glorified ChatGPT. Made so life-like that he becomes indistinguishable from a real crew member. But underneath the hood it's just a computer model and not truly sentient. It's designed to fool real people into thinking it's a person.

    Data was way closer to a sentient being than the Doctor ever was. He was designed to be sentient first, human-like second.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More of an argument for this guy since he was created by accident and they put him on the shelf. At least the doctor was allowed live a full life.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the holograms are just npcs that don't have much more intelligence than milling about and saying a couple lines. And even most of the ones with personality are just following a script, because holodecks get used more like interactive novels than VR vidya. It's only when you leave a hologram running too long with too much to do that it starts thinking and wanting rights.

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