Not really, because by your logic if you hire a contractor to put up a pergola in your backyard and they subcontract to a carpenter who cuts their or someone else's thumb off - then you as the home owner who hired the contractor "should have done something about it"? Would you? Realistically would you?
But also what a producer does, if you weren't so smug I would have let this go - but here goes: The Producer buys the rights to the IP, and is potentially involved in above the line hires like the director, writer, cinematographer, and major stars but their primary job is securing the funding and/or distribution to the film, they may make deals with insurers, banks as well. In fact their job is so filled with plugging financial holes that they wouldn't have the time or energy to hire below the line members of the production like an amourer, or a prop master, nor a second camera assistant, a best boy, or even a lofty position like a key grip.
I understand, if you misrepresent catastrophe theory and apply double standard to personal influence and efficacy you might make a case that the buck stops with Baldwin, but you're probably also the kind of person to shirk responsibility whenever it arises.
>be homeowner >hire somebody to build a pergola in your yard >they subcontract to Pergolas Inc. >Pergolas Inc. Is managed by a fricking dumb troony who allows safety guards and procedures to be removed/ignored >nab their circular saw >blast at a worker's hand with it just for a laugh kek >wow they have no fingers left lmao wtf >how was i supposed to know the safety device on the already fricking dangerous saw was removed before i used it in an incredibly dangerous manner lol i dindu nuffin
kys
>is this another thread where Cinemaphile will pretend to care about stuff like this
Someone dying on a film set is obviously interesting and unusual. There is no pretending needed.
>wtf why can the pharaoh kill me but i cant kill the pharaoh
Only naive conservacucks believe in morals and wthics and living up to standards set by your opponent
It's not murder though, this is the legal definition of murder.
>Murder is defined as killing with malice aforethought. Malice could be understood in two ways: express and implied. Express malice murders included killings where a person intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm to another. Implied malice included killings that occurred while a person was committing a felony (also called felony murder) or deaths resulting from an action that displayed a depraved indifference to human life (also called depraved heart murder).
Everybody knows Democrats hate Russians. It was indeed with malice. Just before the Russia-Ukraine war too. She was a fricking journalist for God's sake.
this is the best i read about this whole thing
a dude going to another state and kills people with his shotgun?"BASED BASED!"
actor who talked trash about the orange clown kills someone by accident?"OH MY GOD YOU EVIL PERSON"
amerifats are deranged,totally mind broken since 9/11,is so embarrasing
an actor literally shot someone, this is not something the average person has difficulty having interest in, let alone a board dedicated to actors you ABSOLUTE moron
I care about it because of the wienersucker's smug attitude. Alec "Give me another round, no not the ones that just make sound" Baldwin shot a woman and killed her and he's more concerned about his public perception than her fricking family and his genuine culpability due to his negligence as an actor and producer.
I started caring when I saw the interview he gave the cops afterwards and developed a real visceral hatred for a man I had previously liked because Red October was a good movie.
He's a smug c**t and I like watching those people get shit on. A shame it looks like he's gonna get away with it, but thats what happens when you've got money I guess.
>an American lib
There's no difference between them and leftists. They agree on everything, you moronic leftypol subhuman. >amerikkka
oh, you're just trolling
>just because Baldwin is a leftist?
I mean yes. If he wasn't leftist he would likely have been to a shooting range once or twice and learned proper gun etiquette and nobody would've died
Unironically he killed this women because he is a liberal.
That doesn't always happen and I am not saying all liberals are lethal but you can't deny this fact.
>he would likely have been to a shooting range once or twice and learned proper gun etiquette
he literally followed proper gun etiquette as practiced on film sets
you do on film sets, all the time. if you watch movies at all you have seen people break this supposed "rule" countless times because if they followed it they couldn't get the footage they needed. that's why there's people that are supposed to verify that the gun is safe.
only if you know it isn't loaded
you test if it is loaded by shooting the ground
anyone with gun training would've done that
if you are just handed a gun you treat it like it is loaded
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Anonymous
again, not on a film set. the pros (armorers) hand you the gun and you do the scene. you don't do your own checks because the protocol is that every time a non-pro messes with a gun it has to be rechecked by a pro before it can be used. if he tried to test it himself he'd have to hand it back to the pros and they'd have to redo their work. if he actually behaved like you wanted him to behave he'd be stuck on an endless loop.
the actor acts. he doesn't handle gun safety, he doesn't think about gun safety. that's the division of responsibility on a film set. if actors tried to do shit based on their own judgement because they've been to a gun range once and they think they're experts you'd have more accidents, not less.
2 years ago
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>not on a film set
ALWAYS
at all times
2 years ago
Anonymous
factually wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
[Citation Needed]
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't actually think baldwin is guilty
I just think it is funny that if he weren't so liberal he likely wouldn't have killed her
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't actually think baldwin is guilty
I think a typical pleb would face much more severe consequence in any case
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe
doesn't change who is responsible to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
So in your head only one person can be responsible?
2 years ago
Anonymous
no.
but I think he isn't responsible and neither would a poor person who you claim likely would've been found guilty
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but I think he isn't responsible
Have you ever shot a gun? >who you claim
I've never replied to you before now
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Have you ever shot a gun?
yes >I've never replied to you before now
but you are defending that argument right? If not why even reply to me?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>yes
So you were taught what you are supposed to do whenever someone hands you a gun, right? Because it's your responsibility to handle the firearm safely. >but you are defending that argument right? If not why even reply to me?
Because you said he isn't responsible
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So you were taught what you are supposed to do whenever someone hands you a gun, right?
yes
he wasn't
Which is the irony. >Because you said he isn't responsible
I don't think he is
I don't think an actor would need gun training and it is not the actors job to have gun training unless it specifically calls for it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he wasn't
Ever heard “ignorance of the law is no excuse”? >I don't think an actor would need gun training
They are adults, it’s not anyone else’s decision to make for him.
2 years ago
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>Ever heard “ignorance of the law is no excuse”?
There is no law that you need gun training to be an actor >it’s not anyone else’s decision to make for him.
yes it is
what do you think stuntmen do?
plenty of shit characters do in movies is the job of anyone else
a fictional character using a gun it is not his job to actually know how to handle a gun
2 years ago
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>There is no law that you need gun training to be an actor
There are several laws about not negligently committing homicide >yes it is
No, it’s not. Those things are called redundancies. They don’t remove responsibility from the person holding the firearm
2 years ago
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The type of redundancy you are asking for is completely unattainable in movies. First of all, if I‘m the studio head overseeing a production, I can‘t put anybody in charge of gun safety that isn‘t specifically trained to do it. Everything else would be negligent on my part, that means gun safety needs to be as independent of actors as possible.
Also the type of props used in movies can vary immensely. The only rule for actors appropriate in that context is „do what you‘re told“. >there are gun props that can‘t be opened. How do you check those? >there are gun props with several chambers. Does the actor have to know which ones to check? >there are props with magazines. Does the actor have to pull every cartridge out of the magazine to check and then reload it? If i was the armorer I sure as hell wouldn‘t allow some actor to put things into my gun, when my ass is on the line >there are props that have explosive charges on the tip, presenting injury risk if the actor were to fumble about with the gun
2 years ago
Anonymous
ignorance of the law refers to the actual legal text. Ignorance of the actual state of things and causality of a situation absolutely are an excuse.
2 years ago
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it would make zero difference because he still wouldn't be allowed to "do his own gun tests" or whatever you want him to do. you're moronic
2 years ago
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>calling other people moronic >calls firearm safety “doing your own gun test”
>just because Baldwin is a leftist
Shut the frick up you fricking cuck, I didn't even know or cared about that.
I'm upset because the elite can get away with literal murder right in front of people, they can do anything, the world isn't fair and I wanted to see a bit of justice.
>you see officer, she was in fact infected with Covid 19 which means that she died because of Covid. >so technically I didn't kill her by shooting the living frick out of her, it was death by Covid
I mean manslaughter can be settled outside of court. there was probably no need for the family to chase it any further when it's already clear it was an accident. they also get some $$ out of it.
As told by Baldwin, Halyna told him to shit her. Halyna cannot refute this because she's DEAD and Alec pulled the trigger. >Baldwin picked up a gun, pointed it at a cinematographer, wienered the hammer and pulled the trigger unprompted.
Yes with live ammo. He was the producer who decided to put a newbie to oversee the guns. He hired the newbie so he could murder Halyna and say it was the fault of the newbie. It was all a set up.
>who is more at fault though baldwin or the gunsmith.
They are equally at fault as neither followed the correct safety proceedures. Both deserve to be locked away for an equal amount of time for death-causing negligence.
You can kill all kinds of people in a car and it's considered "different". Many traffic accidents where people mysteriously plow into people in a residential area are planned murders. The law could change but that makes things difficult for glowies and mobsters
In this case a liberal actor can kill anyone they want, in this scenario the fun is doing it openly and still getting away with it. It's a power move.
They already confirmed Baldwin pulled the trigger, which will open this up to civil suit. Plus 1 Baldwin was a producer on the film and the movie had multiple documented issues with firearms during the shoot.
He might not go to jail, but home boy is about to pay up.
>s-sir Baldwin may I please get a juice to go with my lunch? >Sorry kiddo, just pick something from the dollar menu and have water with that. The prices on drinks are so high they should be charged with murder
>reddit tourists don‘t know what a producer does
I mean just use your common sense for one second. Do you honestly believe Alec Baldwin, millionaire and known butthole, hired the fricking armorer? You think he reads c.v.s in his freetime?
Why did it take so long? Everyone knows guns are highly unsafe and just a few centimeters from firing a deadly bullet. Burgers should really know this is the reason behind gun laws being strict like they are in the rest of the civilized world.
>pulls the trigger >"not his problem"
This is guns 101. If you're fricking around with a gun and it kills somebody, that is entirely your problem. There is zero room for debate here.
>If you’re fricking around with a gun >Entirely your problem
Not in this case. Alec was not fricking around, he was doing as instructed with a gun that everyone told him was empty. The AD handed it to Alec as a “cold gun” and later admitted that he hadn’t actually checked it, but simply grabbed it off the armorer’s cart.
Three separate people fricked up at the same time. The armorer fricked up by allowing live rounds to enter her guns. That’s a massive fricking mistake. The AD fricked up by not checking the gun. Alec fricked up by allowing the issues in production that partially created this atmosphere of incompetence. It’s not anybody’s fault alone.
not to victim blame or anything but why did alyna insist on standing in front of alec baldwin pointing a gun? would you? the guy had been fantasizing about wrongfully killing someone for years. she was essentially stepping out in traffic.
so he deliberately hired a person without experience to handle his guns but then says it wasn't his fault. It is his fault from whatever angle you look at it.
>he was doing as instructed with a gun
He literally wasn't they were in between shooting scenes >that everyone told him was empty
Irrelevant, you're an adult and you have a responsible for the firearm in your hand.
are you pretending that armed robbery not only didn't deserve to get shot, but that the guy recording his attempted detention somehow holds responsibility in his death
>bystander? I thought he was cousin of the guy with shotgun or associated with them in some way.
He was. Still 30 years is a lot for simply filming a reckless attempt at a citizen's arrest.
>The dude who filmed Ahmed Aubrey getting shot when he tried to grab a shotgun out of some one's hands got 30 years in prison.
Laws are for little people
When I google this it’s only stuff about him pulling the trigger, not it being an accident. If anything it seems the verdict is the other way around. WTF OP?
I assume he was instructed to shoot a blank so they get an idea how it would look on camera before they film the scene. I don't know why people are saying Baldwin just fricked around and shot at a person randomly. They had the camera set up and for some moronic reason they used a person as a target, i know it was supposed to be blanks and they were behind cover but still, women am i right
That model of revolver can't even be fired like that, the gun has a half-wiener and if you don't pull it to half wiener and try to drop it there is almost no chance of it striking the primer hard enough to fire
Thanks bro, I have youtube, too. You don‘t actually know wether the gun was in proper condition. Also colt saa with a hammer-mounted firing pin aren‘t even drop safe so yeah, they most definitely could fire without going to half wiener
Literally everything I said is correct. The pin rests on the percussion cap when not (half-) wienered. The gun can fire from dropping, hitting the hammer and it can fire from only pulling it back slightly. Is that always gonna set a cartridge of? No, doesn‘t mean it can‘t happen
If you don't know how single-action revolvers work, there is no halfway lock on the hammer which means the only way the gun can fire is if A.) You intentionally thumb back the hammer just before the point where it would be in a fully wienered position and then release it, which will cause it to fall and strike the round possibly setting it off, or B.) You pull the trigger causing the hammer to rise and fall on the round. Technically there's an A-2 option which is if you hold the trigger down, it disables the wienering of the hammer meaning you can then pull it all the way back and release it to fire a round.
Either way, there is no possible situation where someone with the gun in their hand didn't intentionally fire it. You cannot "accidentally" drop the hammer.
>Don't you have to half wiener the hammer to load or unload it?
Most single-action revolvers have a gate on the side of the frame for loading, rather than swinging out the entire cylinder.
No, that model does have a half wiener position and it prevents what he claimed happened from happening
Dipshit was probably holding the trigger while pulling the hammer back
>hmmmmmm so much for the tolerant left hehe >you know i bet if a conservative did this >wow if you criticize trump i guess you can get away with anything >guns for me but not for thee, hmm libtards???
cutting corners and hiring unqualified ppl to do something dangerous typically leads to accidents. there is no other relevant takeaway unless you have a brain tumor
I heard they were dicking around after hours shooting stuff. Schizo answer is the girl that got shot said something mean to the zoomer armorer and she concocted this shooting.
lol i would have thought that moron would just retire from social media but I guess he didn't have sense enough to do that
and why do those morons parrot the most ridiculous fricking claims? pissing on people, attacking their own bodyguards, etc
kek, all those hundreds of threads raging about baldwin
all those gun experts claiming he was destined for jail
based alec, I'm going to enjoy RUST when it comes out too
The fault is clearly Alec's.....but what the frick did the armorer fail at the her? She literally had 1 (ONE) thing to do and couldn't even do that. imagine being hired to do a single fricking thing and you can't even do that....how do you even fail at that?
She was not allowed on the set during shooting due to covid restrictions and the fact that this was an indoor set, meaning that many of the redundant saftey checks could not be performed.
Granted there shouldn't have been a real bullet in the gun to begin with but that woman would still be alive if it wasn't for draconian covid restrictions.
All the trumpanzees foaming at the mouth about this will never stop being hilarious. A tragic accident happened and they screamed begging to weaponize it against Baldwin because he made fun of the only father figure they've ever had.
You can't make this shit up.
That's never even been clarified, has it? I don't think we know if the gun was fired between shooting when the crew was dicking around in the desert, or if their was live ammo just lying around and some moron loaded it instead of blanks
>Hurrr derrr they told him it was unloaded!!
I hate all the nogunz homosexuals on this board. Treating every gun like it is loaded is basic gun safety.
All of you fricking rightoid wannabee soldiers are going into this not understanding one thing, Alec Baldwin is not some crazy gun nut who spends all of his time on /k/ like you guys, he's a normal human being. Just because you guys have memorized every single thing about guns doesn't mean that everyone else has. How would Alec Baldwin know that he had to check the gun? For you fricking autists of course you know, gun law #2034 clearly says every gun must be checked, even if you're told it's empty and have no reason to believe it would be loaded. Somehow it's his fault then because he's a normally functioning human being, and doesn't give a shit about guns. Why don't all of you frick off and go sperg out about someone saying clip instead of magazine. Lunatics like you are the reason that americans can easily access assault weapons and kill hundreds of people. Picrel is you
blame the cuck husband
she was probably going to metoo him
At best. Technically she killed herself.
she wasn't the one who loaded the gun with live rounds
She was the one who got a job instead of being a stay at home mom. She has nobody to blame but herself.
Looks like a troony, is alec secretly a chud?
it was the prop master's fault, she was a nepotism hire who didn't actually know how to do her job
>she was a nepotism hire
Seems like something a producer should've done something about, huh?
What the hell do you think a producer credit means?
Not really, because by your logic if you hire a contractor to put up a pergola in your backyard and they subcontract to a carpenter who cuts their or someone else's thumb off - then you as the home owner who hired the contractor "should have done something about it"? Would you? Realistically would you?
But also what a producer does, if you weren't so smug I would have let this go - but here goes: The Producer buys the rights to the IP, and is potentially involved in above the line hires like the director, writer, cinematographer, and major stars but their primary job is securing the funding and/or distribution to the film, they may make deals with insurers, banks as well. In fact their job is so filled with plugging financial holes that they wouldn't have the time or energy to hire below the line members of the production like an amourer, or a prop master, nor a second camera assistant, a best boy, or even a lofty position like a key grip.
I understand, if you misrepresent catastrophe theory and apply double standard to personal influence and efficacy you might make a case that the buck stops with Baldwin, but you're probably also the kind of person to shirk responsibility whenever it arises.
Cute essay, it's still his fault.
*her fault
>be homeowner
>hire somebody to build a pergola in your yard
>they subcontract to Pergolas Inc.
>Pergolas Inc. Is managed by a fricking dumb troony who allows safety guards and procedures to be removed/ignored
>nab their circular saw
>blast at a worker's hand with it just for a laugh kek
>wow they have no fingers left lmao wtf
>how was i supposed to know the safety device on the already fricking dangerous saw was removed before i used it in an incredibly dangerous manner lol i dindu nuffin
kys
>it was the prop master's fault,
If the actor is required by law to check the firearm, he is equally responsible.
He isn't, again, that's literally the prop master's job
They should have hired a real gunsmith instead of some woman.
This. Don't want accidents to happen? DON'T HIRE FRICKING WOMEN.
is this another thread where Cinemaphile will pretend to care about stuff like this just because Baldwin is a leftist?
>is this another thread where Cinemaphile will pretend to care about stuff like this
Someone dying on a film set is obviously interesting and unusual. There is no pretending needed.
By "caring" I meant objecting to the ruling and demanding he face accountability for murder
Why shouldn't people do that?
>Murder is ok when my team does it
>Murder is bad when other team does it
This is why people hate Americans, and they're right to
It’s not hypocrisy, it is hierarchy
>wtf why can the pharaoh kill me but i cant kill the pharaoh
Only naive conservacucks believe in morals and wthics and living up to standards set by your opponent
It's not murder though, this is the legal definition of murder.
>Murder is defined as killing with malice aforethought. Malice could be understood in two ways: express and implied. Express malice murders included killings where a person intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm to another. Implied malice included killings that occurred while a person was committing a felony (also called felony murder) or deaths resulting from an action that displayed a depraved indifference to human life (also called depraved heart murder).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/malice_aforethought
Everybody knows Democrats hate Russians. It was indeed with malice. Just before the Russia-Ukraine war too. She was a fricking journalist for God's sake.
this is the best i read about this whole thing
a dude going to another state and kills people with his shotgun?"BASED BASED!"
actor who talked trash about the orange clown kills someone by accident?"OH MY GOD YOU EVIL PERSON"
amerifats are deranged,totally mind broken since 9/11,is so embarrasing
(you)
You need help.
Yeah sure, sounds good
>pretend to care about stuff like this
an actor literally shot someone, this is not something the average person has difficulty having interest in, let alone a board dedicated to actors you ABSOLUTE moron
I care about it because of the wienersucker's smug attitude. Alec "Give me another round, no not the ones that just make sound" Baldwin shot a woman and killed her and he's more concerned about his public perception than her fricking family and his genuine culpability due to his negligence as an actor and producer.
So yeah you hate him because he's le evil libtard
No but because he wanted to murder a Russian/Ukrainian journalist just before the Russia-Ukraine war.
I want him in jail cause of those etoro ads
I started caring when I saw the interview he gave the cops afterwards and developed a real visceral hatred for a man I had previously liked because Red October was a good movie.
He's a smug c**t and I like watching those people get shit on. A shame it looks like he's gonna get away with it, but thats what happens when you've got money I guess.
>leftist
lmfao. he's a lib. and an American lib is nothing but center right aligned. there is hardly any true leftism in Amerikkka
Horrible bait, too obvious.
>an American lib
There's no difference between them and leftists. They agree on everything, you moronic leftypol subhuman.
>amerikkka
oh, you're just trolling
I hate every actor equally
>just because Baldwin is a leftist?
I mean yes. If he wasn't leftist he would likely have been to a shooting range once or twice and learned proper gun etiquette and nobody would've died
Unironically he killed this women because he is a liberal.
That doesn't always happen and I am not saying all liberals are lethal but you can't deny this fact.
>he would likely have been to a shooting range once or twice and learned proper gun etiquette
he literally followed proper gun etiquette as practiced on film sets
then how did she die? You never shoot a gun directly at someone unless you intend to kill them?
you do on film sets, all the time. if you watch movies at all you have seen people break this supposed "rule" countless times because if they followed it they couldn't get the footage they needed. that's why there's people that are supposed to verify that the gun is safe.
only if you know it isn't loaded
you test if it is loaded by shooting the ground
anyone with gun training would've done that
if you are just handed a gun you treat it like it is loaded
again, not on a film set. the pros (armorers) hand you the gun and you do the scene. you don't do your own checks because the protocol is that every time a non-pro messes with a gun it has to be rechecked by a pro before it can be used. if he tried to test it himself he'd have to hand it back to the pros and they'd have to redo their work. if he actually behaved like you wanted him to behave he'd be stuck on an endless loop.
the actor acts. he doesn't handle gun safety, he doesn't think about gun safety. that's the division of responsibility on a film set. if actors tried to do shit based on their own judgement because they've been to a gun range once and they think they're experts you'd have more accidents, not less.
>not on a film set
ALWAYS
at all times
factually wrong.
[Citation Needed]
I don't actually think baldwin is guilty
I just think it is funny that if he weren't so liberal he likely wouldn't have killed her
>I don't actually think baldwin is guilty
I think a typical pleb would face much more severe consequence in any case
maybe
doesn't change who is responsible to me
So in your head only one person can be responsible?
no.
but I think he isn't responsible and neither would a poor person who you claim likely would've been found guilty
>but I think he isn't responsible
Have you ever shot a gun?
>who you claim
I've never replied to you before now
>Have you ever shot a gun?
yes
>I've never replied to you before now
but you are defending that argument right? If not why even reply to me?
>yes
So you were taught what you are supposed to do whenever someone hands you a gun, right? Because it's your responsibility to handle the firearm safely.
>but you are defending that argument right? If not why even reply to me?
Because you said he isn't responsible
>So you were taught what you are supposed to do whenever someone hands you a gun, right?
yes
he wasn't
Which is the irony.
>Because you said he isn't responsible
I don't think he is
I don't think an actor would need gun training and it is not the actors job to have gun training unless it specifically calls for it
>he wasn't
Ever heard “ignorance of the law is no excuse”?
>I don't think an actor would need gun training
They are adults, it’s not anyone else’s decision to make for him.
>Ever heard “ignorance of the law is no excuse”?
There is no law that you need gun training to be an actor
>it’s not anyone else’s decision to make for him.
yes it is
what do you think stuntmen do?
plenty of shit characters do in movies is the job of anyone else
a fictional character using a gun it is not his job to actually know how to handle a gun
>There is no law that you need gun training to be an actor
There are several laws about not negligently committing homicide
>yes it is
No, it’s not. Those things are called redundancies. They don’t remove responsibility from the person holding the firearm
The type of redundancy you are asking for is completely unattainable in movies. First of all, if I‘m the studio head overseeing a production, I can‘t put anybody in charge of gun safety that isn‘t specifically trained to do it. Everything else would be negligent on my part, that means gun safety needs to be as independent of actors as possible.
Also the type of props used in movies can vary immensely. The only rule for actors appropriate in that context is „do what you‘re told“.
>there are gun props that can‘t be opened. How do you check those?
>there are gun props with several chambers. Does the actor have to know which ones to check?
>there are props with magazines. Does the actor have to pull every cartridge out of the magazine to check and then reload it? If i was the armorer I sure as hell wouldn‘t allow some actor to put things into my gun, when my ass is on the line
>there are props that have explosive charges on the tip, presenting injury risk if the actor were to fumble about with the gun
ignorance of the law refers to the actual legal text. Ignorance of the actual state of things and causality of a situation absolutely are an excuse.
it would make zero difference because he still wouldn't be allowed to "do his own gun tests" or whatever you want him to do. you're moronic
>calling other people moronic
>calls firearm safety “doing your own gun test”
>just because Baldwin is a leftist?
i'll let you guess what else he is
i don't care about anything i see on this board i just pretend that i do.
A bat need to be introduced to your ugly face, until you die screaming.
>just because Baldwin is a leftist
Shut the frick up you fricking cuck, I didn't even know or cared about that.
I'm upset because the elite can get away with literal murder right in front of people, they can do anything, the world isn't fair and I wanted to see a bit of justice.
Cope you fricking homosexual
>pretend to care
>as if they care about
Gotta love lefty projection
See what matters is that a woman died (good) but what would've been better was that a woman got convicted too
>you see officer, she was in fact infected with Covid 19 which means that she died because of Covid.
>so technically I didn't kill her by shooting the living frick out of her, it was death by Covid
if she was wearing her mask and triple vaxxed she would have pulled through
YOU OTTA KNOW, THWEETIE
Where did the bullet come from?
Asking the real question
bullet farm
can't you get manslaughter from accidental kill like from a car crash? who is more at fault though baldwin or the gunsmith.
The actor who killed Brandon Lee didn’t go to prison. I don’t see why Baldwin has to.
He was the producer
I mean manslaughter can be settled outside of court. there was probably no need for the family to chase it any further when it's already clear it was an accident. they also get some $$ out of it.
He was told to aim the gun at Lee and fire it in the script.
Baldwin picked up a gun, pointed it at a cinematographer, wienered the hammer and pulled the trigger unprompted.
As told by Baldwin, Halyna told him to shit her. Halyna cannot refute this because she's DEAD and Alec pulled the trigger.
>Baldwin picked up a gun, pointed it at a cinematographer, wienered the hammer and pulled the trigger unprompted.
Yes with live ammo. He was the producer who decided to put a newbie to oversee the guns. He hired the newbie so he could murder Halyna and say it was the fault of the newbie. It was all a set up.
Someone else must have been there as a witness to claim she told him to shit her.
There wasn't a real bullet in the gun on the set of The Crow.
>who is more at fault though baldwin or the gunsmith.
They are equally at fault as neither followed the correct safety proceedures. Both deserve to be locked away for an equal amount of time for death-causing negligence.
You can kill all kinds of people in a car and it's considered "different". Many traffic accidents where people mysteriously plow into people in a residential area are planned murders. The law could change but that makes things difficult for glowies and mobsters
In this case a liberal actor can kill anyone they want, in this scenario the fun is doing it openly and still getting away with it. It's a power move.
It was obvious that it was an accident from the start
there's no such thing as obvious until a court rules one way or the other, homosexual
They already confirmed Baldwin pulled the trigger, which will open this up to civil suit. Plus 1 Baldwin was a producer on the film and the movie had multiple documented issues with firearms during the shoot.
He might not go to jail, but home boy is about to pay up.
He took the stupid b***h's husband and ugly kid to Denny's, he even paid for half of the bill. What the frick more do these parasites want from me?
>s-sir Baldwin may I please get a juice to go with my lunch?
>Sorry kiddo, just pick something from the dollar menu and have water with that. The prices on drinks are so high they should be charged with murder
>reddit tourists don‘t know what a producer does
I mean just use your common sense for one second. Do you honestly believe Alec Baldwin, millionaire and known butthole, hired the fricking armorer? You think he reads c.v.s in his freetime?
someone check on mike
I mean, it was an accident. The point was that it was criminally negligent.
Why did it take so long? Everyone knows guns are highly unsafe and just a few centimeters from firing a deadly bullet. Burgers should really know this is the reason behind gun laws being strict like they are in the rest of the civilized world.
Not his problem, incompetent prop person's problem. Lock her up.
>pulls the trigger
>"not his problem"
This is guns 101. If you're fricking around with a gun and it kills somebody, that is entirely your problem. There is zero room for debate here.
>If you’re fricking around with a gun
>Entirely your problem
Not in this case. Alec was not fricking around, he was doing as instructed with a gun that everyone told him was empty. The AD handed it to Alec as a “cold gun” and later admitted that he hadn’t actually checked it, but simply grabbed it off the armorer’s cart.
Three separate people fricked up at the same time. The armorer fricked up by allowing live rounds to enter her guns. That’s a massive fricking mistake. The AD fricked up by not checking the gun. Alec fricked up by allowing the issues in production that partially created this atmosphere of incompetence. It’s not anybody’s fault alone.
not to victim blame or anything but why did alyna insist on standing in front of alec baldwin pointing a gun? would you? the guy had been fantasizing about wrongfully killing someone for years. she was essentially stepping out in traffic.
so he deliberately hired a person without experience to handle his guns but then says it wasn't his fault. It is his fault from whatever angle you look at it.
>he was doing as instructed with a gun
He literally wasn't they were in between shooting scenes
>that everyone told him was empty
Irrelevant, you're an adult and you have a responsible for the firearm in your hand.
>hand someone a loaded gun
>tell him to discharge it without paying attention to where he's aiming
>how could he shoot someone, it's his fault
If I hand you a gun and tell you it’s unloaded and to start dry firing and then you kill someone, it’s still your fault
It wasn't murder but he's still partially responsible for it
Still involuntary manslaughter. Still prison worthy.
>Literally point a gun at someone and pull the trigger
>Accident
The dude who filmed Ahmed Aubrey getting shot when he tried to grab a shotgun out of some one's hands got 30 years in prison.
Our justice system is a fricking joke.
>being dumb on purpose just to prove a point
anon are you a lawyer?
are you pretending that armed robbery not only didn't deserve to get shot, but that the guy recording his attempted detention somehow holds responsibility in his death
Yeah but you have guns, so atleast you're not a victim of tyranny.
bystander? I thought he was cousin of the guy with shotgun or associated with them in some way.
>bystander? I thought he was cousin of the guy with shotgun or associated with them in some way.
He was. Still 30 years is a lot for simply filming a reckless attempt at a citizen's arrest.
>The dude who filmed Ahmed Aubrey getting shot when he tried to grab a shotgun out of some one's hands got 30 years in prison.
Laws are for little people
He’s rich so it was a given.
epic. can you point me toward the facebook group where you found this meme? i'd love some more internet funnies!
When I google this it’s only stuff about him pulling the trigger, not it being an accident. If anything it seems the verdict is the other way around. WTF OP?
Sue him into oblivion
HE BOUGHT THE FAMILY BREAKFAST WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!
I assume he was instructed to shoot a blank so they get an idea how it would look on camera before they film the scene. I don't know why people are saying Baldwin just fricked around and shot at a person randomly. They had the camera set up and for some moronic reason they used a person as a target, i know it was supposed to be blanks and they were behind cover but still, women am i right
bruh he didn’t even pull the trigger he said so himself
>I didn't pull the trigger, I just pull the HAMMER back and then I let it go with live ammo in the gun GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
That model of revolver can't even be fired like that, the gun has a half-wiener and if you don't pull it to half wiener and try to drop it there is almost no chance of it striking the primer hard enough to fire
Thanks bro, I have youtube, too. You don‘t actually know wether the gun was in proper condition. Also colt saa with a hammer-mounted firing pin aren‘t even drop safe so yeah, they most definitely could fire without going to half wiener
He didn’t drop the fricking gun
>Thanks bro, I have youtube, too
Don’t get all pissy that you were wrong
Literally everything I said is correct. The pin rests on the percussion cap when not (half-) wienered. The gun can fire from dropping, hitting the hammer and it can fire from only pulling it back slightly. Is that always gonna set a cartridge of? No, doesn‘t mean it can‘t happen
If you don't know how single-action revolvers work, there is no halfway lock on the hammer which means the only way the gun can fire is if A.) You intentionally thumb back the hammer just before the point where it would be in a fully wienered position and then release it, which will cause it to fall and strike the round possibly setting it off, or B.) You pull the trigger causing the hammer to rise and fall on the round. Technically there's an A-2 option which is if you hold the trigger down, it disables the wienering of the hammer meaning you can then pull it all the way back and release it to fire a round.
Either way, there is no possible situation where someone with the gun in their hand didn't intentionally fire it. You cannot "accidentally" drop the hammer.
>there is no halfway lock on the hammer
Are you sure? Don't you have to half wiener the hammer to load or unload it?
>Don't you have to half wiener the hammer to load or unload it?
Most single-action revolvers have a gate on the side of the frame for loading, rather than swinging out the entire cylinder.
No, that model does have a half wiener position and it prevents what he claimed happened from happening
Dipshit was probably holding the trigger while pulling the hammer back
Unlike the Brandon Lee incident, he wasn't shooting a scene. He had zero reason to aim and shoot the cinematographer.
>hmmmmmm so much for the tolerant left hehe
>you know i bet if a conservative did this
>wow if you criticize trump i guess you can get away with anything
>guns for me but not for thee, hmm libtards???
cutting corners and hiring unqualified ppl to do something dangerous typically leads to accidents. there is no other relevant takeaway unless you have a brain tumor
>accident
The whole movie was a set up to murder Halyna. Alec Baldwin is a literal assassin for the Democrats.
so why did they even have real ammo on the set in the first place
everything about this has always been fishy as hell
I heard they were dicking around after hours shooting stuff. Schizo answer is the girl that got shot said something mean to the zoomer armorer and she concocted this shooting.
MIKE ON SUICIDE WATCH
rip mike
Mike is fricked, Baldwin always get his man.
HE'S KILLED ONCE AND HE'LL KILL AGAIN YEEEEHAAAWWWWWWW
lol i would have thought that moron would just retire from social media but I guess he didn't have sense enough to do that
and why do those morons parrot the most ridiculous fricking claims? pissing on people, attacking their own bodyguards, etc
kek, all those hundreds of threads raging about baldwin
all those gun experts claiming he was destined for jail
based alec, I'm going to enjoy RUST when it comes out too
>I'm going to enjoy RUST when it comes out
Uhh, my guy...
I'M GONNA KILL THE BEAR
The fault is clearly Alec's.....but what the frick did the armorer fail at the her? She literally had 1 (ONE) thing to do and couldn't even do that. imagine being hired to do a single fricking thing and you can't even do that....how do you even fail at that?
She was not allowed on the set during shooting due to covid restrictions and the fact that this was an indoor set, meaning that many of the redundant saftey checks could not be performed.
Granted there shouldn't have been a real bullet in the gun to begin with but that woman would still be alive if it wasn't for draconian covid restrictions.
>Well done, 47. Make your way to the extraction point.
any word on what happened to the female in charge of the guns?
>Advocates against guns
>has killed more people with guns than 99.999% of the population
Jews and their worshippers get free passes
rules for thee but not for me
Yeah and Saul gets 86 years in prison for nothing. Where is justice in all this?
I wish you lot would stop making stuff up. That series ended after he ran the pastry scam on the fat security guard.
good material for wiener tarantino to adapt, old angry fartass wants to play in last western, kills everyone on set and gets away with it instead
>*smacks lips* thank you Splenda packet, I knew you´d never let me down.
he has the taste now
he will kill again
i cummed and shidded
>don't that camera look dusty?
This is a pretty simple incel test. If you want Baldwin in jail you are normal. If you want him to walk unpunished you are just a woman hating moron.
All the trumpanzees foaming at the mouth about this will never stop being hilarious. A tragic accident happened and they screamed begging to weaponize it against Baldwin because he made fun of the only father figure they've ever had.
You can't make this shit up.
>A tragic accident
You mean negligence?
>A tragic accident happened
people go to jail for that all the time
homies get shot everyday b
How is putting real bullets in a gun on a movie set an accident? Why isn't the crazy died hair leftist armorist or whatever getting charged?
That's never even been clarified, has it? I don't think we know if the gun was fired between shooting when the crew was dicking around in the desert, or if their was live ammo just lying around and some moron loaded it instead of blanks
Lock him up.
The price of the crime? A Denny's Grandslam.
Why isn't the fat prop master in jail? She was fricking around the night before shooting bottles in the desert.
>Hurrr derrr they told him it was unloaded!!
I hate all the nogunz homosexuals on this board. Treating every gun like it is loaded is basic gun safety.
I bet you make the reddit finger too homosexual
The what?
All of you fricking rightoid wannabee soldiers are going into this not understanding one thing, Alec Baldwin is not some crazy gun nut who spends all of his time on /k/ like you guys, he's a normal human being. Just because you guys have memorized every single thing about guns doesn't mean that everyone else has. How would Alec Baldwin know that he had to check the gun? For you fricking autists of course you know, gun law #2034 clearly says every gun must be checked, even if you're told it's empty and have no reason to believe it would be loaded. Somehow it's his fault then because he's a normally functioning human being, and doesn't give a shit about guns. Why don't all of you frick off and go sperg out about someone saying clip instead of magazine. Lunatics like you are the reason that americans can easily access assault weapons and kill hundreds of people. Picrel is you
0/10
Why was there even live ammunition on the set? What use would they have for it?
Shooting cans after filming apparently