>villain is evil because he's a messy eater

>villain is evil because he's a messy eater

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like
    >villain is a messy eater because he's evil

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that was your takeaway? And now there's a thread about it? Christ, a new low here.

      True but that's the least of Denethor's problems with Jackson's LotR:
      >absolute lack of dignity in every scene
      >strange emphasis on the mean attittude towards Faramir, to he point you wonder why he's not gratuitously beating him with a belt
      >instantly panic inthe most pathetic way after seeing the army besieging Minas Tirith, gets comically clobbered by Gandalf and no one cares
      >death scene verges on the farce
      >REFUSES TO LIGHT THE BEACONS WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT'S COMING TOWARDS HIS CITY

      The last one is by far the worst offender, it's nonsensical. Calling what Jackson did to Denethor in RotK character assassination doesn't do it justice. Denethor is turned into an incompetent buffoon just to prop Aragorn, there is no subtility whatsoever. Gone is the proud lord who directly contested Sauron with a Palantir without becoming a thrall, and did his best to steer Gondor in such troubled times. Worse, it makes Pippin impulsively swearing himself to his service absolutely moronic because this Denethor has none of the dignity and charisma that moved him in the books.

      Yeah, Jackson's Denethor is perhaps the most egregious flaw in the LOTR movies, and a significant contributor to Return of the King being the weakest of the three.

      denethor isn't evil
      he was just led astray by sauron and he lost his mind

      Boromir would have drawn a deeper and more meaningful literary conclusion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if I should reply, think better of me Anon

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that was your takeaway? And now there's a thread about it? Christ, a new low here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      reckon it's a ROP writer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So funny that pussies like you get upset over threads being made. "A thread died for this" boo hoo lmao melodramatic-ass b***h

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >evil is a messy eater because he's a villain

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is evil because he talks with his mouth full and spits food when he speaks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cartoonish portrayal

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My fricken wife must have wrote this, am I right fellas?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does he eat a cherry tomato like that? You just eat the whole thing at once

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he wants to see the tomato suffer

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this scene never stops being moronic
    the book makes it an explicit point that Denethor followed the exact same rationing as everyone else in the city

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True but that's the least of Denethor's problems with Jackson's LotR:
      >absolute lack of dignity in every scene
      >strange emphasis on the mean attittude towards Faramir, to he point you wonder why he's not gratuitously beating him with a belt
      >instantly panic inthe most pathetic way after seeing the army besieging Minas Tirith, gets comically clobbered by Gandalf and no one cares
      >death scene verges on the farce
      >REFUSES TO LIGHT THE BEACONS WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT'S COMING TOWARDS HIS CITY

      The last one is by far the worst offender, it's nonsensical. Calling what Jackson did to Denethor in RotK character assassination doesn't do it justice. Denethor is turned into an incompetent buffoon just to prop Aragorn, there is no subtility whatsoever. Gone is the proud lord who directly contested Sauron with a Palantir without becoming a thrall, and did his best to steer Gondor in such troubled times. Worse, it makes Pippin impulsively swearing himself to his service absolutely moronic because this Denethor has none of the dignity and charisma that moved him in the books.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i bet you often b***h about movies being too long

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh sure everything else is worse, just a small highlight of the difference between book and movie
        and because it's so small it feels petty, like Jackson had to rob Denethor of literally every possible positive trait, up and including making him gluttonous

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it feels petty
          Yeah, it really does. And the lack of any redeeming quality makes other characters treating him like someone wise and worth respecting just silly. There is a weird dissonance, like Denethor somehow tricked everyone into thinking he's not a walking joke.
          Jackson also couldn't help himself and did it again in The Hobbit, turning the suave and cunning Master of Laketown into a fat oaf stuffing himself like a pig, complete with his own poor man's Grima.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish Denethor hadn't been turned into a straight baddie. I understand why, but I still wish it hadn't happened.

        I sympathize.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, Jackson's Denethor is perhaps the most egregious flaw in the LOTR movies, and a significant contributor to Return of the King being the weakest of the three.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >without becoming a thrall
        Heh. Right.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The most Sauron could do was show him how hopelessly outnumbered Gondor was. Compare that with Saruman's fate, or what would have happened to Gandalf (by his own admission) had he looked into a Palantir. The only one who did better than Denethor was Aragorn.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are being homosexual about it. The only shitty thing jackson did with the character was to paint him with no redeemable feature whatsoever. He wasn't a monster in the book, he was a great man that got corrupted. In the movie he is just a moron from beginning to end. But it wasn't that bad as you call it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >paint him with no redeemable feature whatsoever
          >a moron from beginning to end
          How do you write that and reach a "but it wasn't that bad" conclusion?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pippin turned Bilbo's comforting traveling song into a sad, haunting thing

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No he's a villain because he let the big bad fill his heart with despair and his mind with doubt, blinding him to hope

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the earliest example of this trope that I can remember. Tarantino for sure ripped it off from this in Death Proof for example.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >villain is ugly
    Kino.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how would you save Denethors mind? is it at all possible?
    hardmode: he has to have been subjected to the Palantir

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      remind boromir he has a shield

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This but unironically. Any adult who chews with their mouth open should be crucified.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based, i don't even know if it's the sound that annoys me most, i think it's the fact that someone is so animal brained that they can't even show the simple decency of closing their mouth when eating. It's the simplest thing to do and they fricking know it annoys people when they don't. The simple fact of how easy it is to just NOT do that makes it extremely disrespectful, degenerate and annoying. Pure evil and smoothbrained

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have to spoiler it so tomar can't see the thumbnail

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's mildly annoying at worst. No reason to ape out over it. The fact you're so upset by it ensures that anyone who listens to your asspained crybaby rant will probably do it around you just to spite you. I would.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lead poisoning from pewter plates

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think about this from time to time. They just didn't know and when the illness would take you they would blame something else.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What was the point of having him run out half a mile while on fire and fall off the castle? I have never watched this scene with people and them not laugh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's even more absurd when you realize the place where he made his pyre isn't, like, near the throne room or anything, but pretty fricking far behind that, by the mountain side. See how far there is from the gates of the throne room to the very edge of the platform where he jumped? There's about twice that distance between the gates of the throom room and the place where his pyre was, with multiple other gates and passageways in the way, too.
      So the guy would have to run literally a full mile, navigating alleyways and doors and stairs, while on fire.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's even more absurd when you realize the place where he made his pyre isn't, like, near the throne room or anything, but pretty fricking far behind that, by the mountain side. See how far there is from the gates of the throne room to the very edge of the platform where he jumped? There's about twice that distance between the gates of the throom room and the place where his pyre was, with multiple other gates and passageways in the way, too.
        >So the guy would have to run literally a full mile, navigating alleyways and doors and stairs, while on fire.
        GOTTA BURN FAST

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    denethor isn't evil
    he was just led astray by sauron and he lost his mind

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gluttony is a sin. A glutton has no temperance and thus no real leadership qualities

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There wouldn't even be cherry tomatoes there. Middle Earth was Europe long before the Colombian Exchange.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about PO TAY TOES

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, that too. Hackson is a jack.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Making him this evil was really the cherry on the top of Jacksons mishandling of this tour de france of Tolkien.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cherry tomato

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the beacons were lit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frfr bussin

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Baron Harkonen is another.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >[rambling in Druggie]
    >SHARON!!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TMDWU, 'toobs

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a sign of corruption and decay. Like our world, we've lowered the bar massively in how we carry ourselves in public, manners etc. and everything is uglier and more depressing because of it, but hey at least we're more free to be disgusting vile losers.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Missing the point. It was a metaphore about the flesh that was torn up at the cavalry charge

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn...and the song pippen sang during was a sad lamentation? how could I have missed this

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Faint by Linkin Park was a really poor choice of song, don't know what Jackson was thinking

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Evil is ugly, good is beautiful, it's as simple as that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but I'm ugly

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You would have been better if you were beautiful.

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