>Villain is extremely well done in their first appearance/arc. >Falls off immediately after

>Villain is extremely well done in their first appearance/arc
>Falls off immediately after
Are there any other villains like this? Morlun was legitimately Peter's equivalent to Doomsday and had some really good moments in there in JMS' run but the whole gay homosexualy multiverse spanning vampire family thing ruined him.

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Villain is extremely well done in their first appearance/arc
    Pic unrelated.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Mystery Box dressed as a Dracula reject that appears just to throw a beatdown in the middle of Newh Yarhk
    >extremely well done
    I don't even dislike the whole Other thing, but JMS' SM was the most let down I've ever been by such a hyped run. It's got big and neat ideas but they're wasted because at the end of the idea it still has to be a soap opera about a guy in Newh Yarhk. I won't even mention OMD but Sins Past alone ruins the whole thing.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is it really a mystery box if pete learns exactly what morlun is an issue before they meet?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      the entire idea/concept was stillborn

      pete is a product of the SCIENCE!/atomic age of wonder after the 50s/60s

      introducing mysticism, a spider fricking tOTeM was moronic from minute 1

      JMS got it completely wrong. wish this homosexual writers would just keep it simple and stick to core foundational concepts instead of making characters even more and convoluted

      It's ALWAYS white boys with shit taste.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    the entire idea/concept was stillborn

    pete is a product of the SCIENCE!/atomic age of wonder after the 50s/60s

    introducing mysticism, a spider fricking tOTeM was moronic from minute 1

    JMS got it completely wrong. wish this homosexual writers would just keep it simple and stick to core foundational concepts instead of making characters even more and convoluted

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off slott

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, mysticism and the totem homosexualry is legit stupid. everything else in the run was fine though

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      [...]
      It's ALWAYS white boys with shit taste.

      Frick off slott

      >samegayging with two forms of b8
      have a nice day

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The entire arc still has peak writing for Peter.
      The phone call with Aunt May and the part where he goes "You're Spider-Man. ACT LIKE IT." are peak.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dude I love that moment so much. I think it’s my favorite Spider-Man moment of all time

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        peak

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          also this

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          also this

          This writing stinks.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Good character moments, dogshit plots" is JMS' run in a nutshell.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      “Science” never explained spider sense, so heading in a mystic direction was a valid choice. How could JMS know what hacks would do to the idea?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't the Spider-People's "spider-sense" just an enhancement to the basic "fight or flight" response the human brain gives us when a dangerous situation arises?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          It wouldn’t explain why he reacts to things like hidden weapons or can use his spider sense to tell if the switch he’s going to pull will do what he wants. I think Stan and Steve just came up with the idea because of the alliteration and visual Steve made for it looked cool

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        real life spiders can detect danger because their tiny hairs

        even raimi spidey showed them on peter's hands

        totem shit will always be bad

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Morlun is a terrible character that hinges on the second worst retcon ever done to the character.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    JMS just goes "IT WAS NOT MY IDEA EDITORIAL MADE ME DO IT" for every crappy story of his.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's taken full ownership of Sins Past (pic related) and all the Spider-Totem stuff, as far as I'm aware. One More Day, on the other hand, is something that's always been known to have been a direct editorial mandate that JMS didn't even want to be associated with.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Goddamn that's bad.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He's taken full ownership of Sins Past (pic related)
        It's not writing the story he regrets, it's the fifteen year long Gwengay chimpout he regrets.

        >One More Day, on the other hand, is something that's always been known to have been a direct editorial mandate that JMS didn't even want to be associated with.
        He didn't want to do the version of the story we got, but he appeared to be fully on board with his own pitch for OMD, which Marvel didn't want to do, as it would have changed too much of Spider-Man history from the late 60s onward.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    God I fricking hate Morlun and how he ties into the Spider-Verse. How does it make any sense that Cindy Moon/Silk had to be hidden away by Ezekiel for her own good, but Peter Parker was allowed to swing around as Spider-Man for over a decade and counting?

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hero is bested by the big bad
    >is this case Peter ends up in the hospital
    >Morlun's definitely much better than him
    >faster, stronger, you name it
    >MJ is visiting
    >Morlun shows up and threatens her
    >suddenly our hero goes batshit insane at the sight of a loved one being in danger
    >beats the big bad to death
    Name a better trope. I love it so much, bros.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are people so autistic about Spider-Man potentially having mystical ties (which is not even what the story is saying) in a comic book universe where literally anything and everything from magic to science to spirituality happens every single day. Dumber stuff with dumber implications happens in the first 100 issues of the book.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's a popular character who already has a well-known origin that's so firmly embedded in pop culture that people who've never read a comic still likely know it, and his fanbase has a LOT of obsessive self-inserting fans. This is very much a recipe for people getting really angry about even the implication of retcons to the origin to turn Spider-Man into some kind of mystic animal totem chosen one character. Slott's reuse of Morlun and all the Spiderverse chosen one stuff prove how dumb and ill-fitting this all is for the character, and yet it's defining what Spider-Man is for the modern generation.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      “Science” never explained spider sense, so heading in a mystic direction was a valid choice. How could JMS know what hacks would do to the idea?

      I know he's a guy with the proportional strength and speed of a spider who can stick to walls and has mild precognition but, beyond that initial suspension of disbelief with his powers, there's always been a sense of groundedness to Spider-Man. Since the beginning, Spider-Man has been a story where the basis of it is in this notion of ordinary people being elevated by technology and science, as opposed to the magic behind Dr Strange, or the grand, spare-faring sci-fi of the Fantastic Four.
      Pic related, Ditko pushed back on Stan's original idea of making the Green Goblin an actual magical creature. And if you look at the original Lee/Ditko run, the weakest issues are commonly the ones where the plot gets too outlandish or magical (e.g., #2 with the Tinkerer and the aliens, #9 with the Living Brain, some of the later ones where Ditko starts phoning it in and does stuff like the Looter or the guy named Joe).
      I'm personally not opposed to Spider-Man fighting the occasional mystical villain, or teaming up with Dr Strange, but I do think that the character himself and the main thrust of the stories should keep one foot on the ground at all times. It's why I dislike Madame Web, the Totem, and all the Spider-Verse crap. That stuff is just all too out there for it to work.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

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