homosexuals falsely project homoeroticism into anything that has masculinity as its subject matter and any art that celebrates the male form. You see them do this when it comes to fascist imagery and even with religious-themed renaissance paintings (e.g. sex is a metaphor in depictions of religious ecstasy but homosexuals literally make it about cooming). Palainuck is a homosexual but there's nothing homoerotic in the book; if you read that into it you might be a gay.
>I don't believe you realized it was a cult
Yeah it takes a genius to realize the guys chanting "his name was Robert Paulson" are a fricking cult.
What a moron, get over yourself
It is pretty obvious and Fight Club is by no means a difficult book. Sorry you were filtered and couldn't come up with a better example as to how it's a cult (e.g. psychological control from a literal initiation ritual onward or even the simple fact they're required to wear uniforms).
Imagine being intellectually intimidated by a stranger on the internet. Cope moron. Read more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What a way to interpret "get over yourself"
Almost like you should
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm interpreting it as you trying to write off the fact you were filtered by something by seething over the fact I think I'm better than you. Instead of expanding on the discussion, you cry about someone else's ego. That's pretty pathetic. We're faceless strangers on an anonymous message board: you're the one who needs to get over themselves. good luck with that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a lot of words for >filtered >no u
2 years ago
Anonymous
>cope >moron >filtered >seething
is this really the extent of zoomer vocabulary?
>You see them do this when it comes to fascist imagery
yeah i'm sure all the crossdressing and homoeroticism within the nazi german army was just a coincidence
Kek, a lot of that is just soldiers fricking around and smear campaigns that would be considered politically incorrect by today's standard. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Shirer even gets criticised for that now (and if you read Inside the Third Reich you'll find conversations Hitler had with Speer about how much the two of them hate homosexuals).
Most people are filtered by the fact Project Mayhem is a cult. Don't expect them to understand why the violence is ironic. It's kind of the movie's fault for changing the ending of the book so drastically though.
>filtered
No, it's quite literally a cult moron. Here's the comparison of the endings:
Book: Target is the Museum of Natural History (an entirely different symbol that underscores just what nihilism is aiming at). Marla saves The Narrator by making him conscious of himself (i.e. traditional symbolic role for a female love interest). The bombs fail to go off (it's an anti-climax). The Narrator tries to kill himself but fails and ends up in the psych ward. In the end, he's lost his mind and he sees what he did as an achievement; Project Mayhem still lives (i.e. the violent impulse is eternal and it's part of a forever war).
Movie: The target is credit card companies (i.e. instead of the true nature of nihilism we get a mission the audience sympathizes with and cheers on). The Narrator goes on a heroic rescue mission to save the damsel in distress. He sacrifices himself by shooting himself in the head to kill Durden and save Marla. He embraces her, starts making out with her (even though he just shot himself in the mouth, kek), The Pixies blare, and the bombs go off in the background. There are no consequences and all irony is lost.
If you've only seen the movie it's not your fault you were filtered. You're still dumb but you have an excuse at least.
No I'm saying you aren't looking at why the cult was successful in the first place.
Violence being an inherent part of man isn't bad. The movie actually has a better ending imo since the protagonist reconciles that with being a functional person rather than just packing a sad at the realization.
The cult is bad because it glorifies self destruction not because it's violent
>No I'm saying you aren't looking at why the cult was successful in the first place.
No. You just said it was a superficial reading and I don't believe you realized it was a cult. A lot of people don't. >Violence being an inherent part of man isn't bad.
No one said it was but you touched on the reason the violence in the fight club is ironic. They're literally destroying themselves in order to free themselves. Simple as. It's a pretty on-the-nose metaphor but most people miss even that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't believe you realized it was a cult
Yeah it takes a genius to realize the guys chanting "his name was Robert Paulson" are a fricking cult.
What a moron, get over yourself
A movie does not have a singular "message." Even if the writer or director intended to convey a specific idea, it hardly makes their interpretation the correct one.
Movie was bullshit. Name one man that fricking ENJOYS getting beat up.
Also, if you tried that shit IRL half the people would be dead or in comas after week one. The human body is a fragile machine, not a punching bag like you see in movies. A person can easily die from getting punched once.
Only if its bullshit fantasy movie violence. IRL fights are stressful, scary and really painful and dangerous if youre on the receiving end. A real life fight club would result in terror and death.
>Only if its bullshit fantasy movie violence.
Not at all. I participated in combat sports and it was based as frick. Yeah, it's a sport so I wasn't going to get killed but the point is that there's a general allure towards violence and it's a natural part of life. In fact, people get catharsis from just watching others engage in violent acts or playing violent video games. Violence is inherently cathartic. >A real life fight club would result in terror and death.
That's why the violence in the story is ironic. They literally destroy themselves in an attempt to reclaim themselves (and start a cult of destruction in order to "create" something higher than they are as individuals). It's ironic.
Jack feels happy but overwhelmed at what the cult is becoming. They gather men with nothing in their lives and make them happy and form a community of brotherhood. As far as I could tell they let anyone in that wasn’t glowing, and committed mischief on institutions that deserved it. Threatening the guy to become a vet was probably their worst action, and even though it’s objectively wrong to do that, it probably did kick start his life.
I accept that it was a cult and people were getting manipulated, but if they’re happier in the cult and only harming massive institutions why is it so bad?
>why is it bad
They're destroying themselves and they give up their agency toward a generic nihilistic impulse. The movie brushes over this a bit and part of the message is that they don't really have any other choice, but they're engaging in self-destruction and trying to destroy all aspects of the society they live in. This makes more sense in the book where the final target is a museum, a warehouse of cultural achievements, and not credit card companies (which yeah, frick those guys).
>cope >moron >filtered >seething
is this really the extent of zoomer vocabulary?
Shhhhh. We're discussing the movie now. If getting the last word will make you feel less pathetic and give you a semblance of accomplishment in what I'm sure is a sad/pathetic/lonely life--be my guest. Good luck.
>Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.
Read Starship Troopers, anon. You'll enjoy it.
Training for something and then accomplishing it while people watch and cheer is a great, anon. I'm sorry you've never experienced that. Sports are based.
>can't even differentiate between pity and love
I'm really sorry, anon. Go watch a porno where the actress makes eye contact with the camera. It isn't healthy but for someone like you it can be excused. Bye now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
projecting hard huh?
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're strangers but you're the one who decided to slide instead of talking about the movie. Having it pointed out you were filtered obviously upset you and now you just keep replying with the same nonsense over and over as if it will undo the fact you're a moron who was shown up. This conversation means nothing, anon. You're just prolonging the punishment and hoping to get the last word as if it means something. Want to talk about the movie now? I think I'm going to go to bed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
second time you're pretending to leave but i'm the one looking for the last word, funny how that works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I kept replying to different posts on an anonymous forum but it's your fault you're still talking to me!
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Good night.
2 years ago
Anonymous
third time's the charm I guess, oh and i accept your concession.
>I am very smart posting >Did I mention I've read fascist literature >I also compete in "combat sports"
It's like you're running for the most insufferable homosexual on the internet
>fascist literature
Neither of those books is fascist literature, moron. Keep seething about a stranger on the internet. Just pretend I'm lying. It won't make you smarter but it will make you feel better.
It can be.
Human history has proven this.
Congratulations, you have fallen for propaganda.
>meanwhile I will proceed to cut my dick off and call myself a woman! 🙂
That's just violence towards yourself
the violence good part is just the smokescreen for all the purposeful homosexual subtext the movie and book have going on
shut up gay
>gay author writes story with obvious gay subtext
wow
>gays ONLY think about GAY all the time
now that I think about it, I guess you're right
homosexuals falsely project homoeroticism into anything that has masculinity as its subject matter and any art that celebrates the male form. You see them do this when it comes to fascist imagery and even with religious-themed renaissance paintings (e.g. sex is a metaphor in depictions of religious ecstasy but homosexuals literally make it about cooming). Palainuck is a homosexual but there's nothing homoerotic in the book; if you read that into it you might be a gay.
It is pretty obvious and Fight Club is by no means a difficult book. Sorry you were filtered and couldn't come up with a better example as to how it's a cult (e.g. psychological control from a literal initiation ritual onward or even the simple fact they're required to wear uniforms).
Get over yourself
Imagine being intellectually intimidated by a stranger on the internet. Cope moron. Read more.
What a way to interpret "get over yourself"
Almost like you should
I'm interpreting it as you trying to write off the fact you were filtered by something by seething over the fact I think I'm better than you. Instead of expanding on the discussion, you cry about someone else's ego. That's pretty pathetic. We're faceless strangers on an anonymous message board: you're the one who needs to get over themselves. good luck with that.
That's a lot of words for
>filtered
>no u
>cope
>moron
>filtered
>seething
is this really the extent of zoomer vocabulary?
>You see them do this when it comes to fascist imagery
yeah i'm sure all the crossdressing and homoeroticism within the nazi german army was just a coincidence
Kek, a lot of that is just soldiers fricking around and smear campaigns that would be considered politically incorrect by today's standard. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Shirer even gets criticised for that now (and if you read Inside the Third Reich you'll find conversations Hitler had with Speer about how much the two of them hate homosexuals).
Whatever you want to tell yourself anon. Cope.
I'd love to have a fight club in my town, would be kick ass
That's actually the opposite of the movie's message.
Most people are filtered by the fact Project Mayhem is a cult. Don't expect them to understand why the violence is ironic. It's kind of the movie's fault for changing the ending of the book so drastically though.
>It's a cult so it's bad
Is an extremely surface level examination
You should get in a fight at least once imo. It's the greatest physical realization you are ever going to experience
>filtered
No, it's quite literally a cult moron. Here's the comparison of the endings:
Book: Target is the Museum of Natural History (an entirely different symbol that underscores just what nihilism is aiming at). Marla saves The Narrator by making him conscious of himself (i.e. traditional symbolic role for a female love interest). The bombs fail to go off (it's an anti-climax). The Narrator tries to kill himself but fails and ends up in the psych ward. In the end, he's lost his mind and he sees what he did as an achievement; Project Mayhem still lives (i.e. the violent impulse is eternal and it's part of a forever war).
Movie: The target is credit card companies (i.e. instead of the true nature of nihilism we get a mission the audience sympathizes with and cheers on). The Narrator goes on a heroic rescue mission to save the damsel in distress. He sacrifices himself by shooting himself in the head to kill Durden and save Marla. He embraces her, starts making out with her (even though he just shot himself in the mouth, kek), The Pixies blare, and the bombs go off in the background. There are no consequences and all irony is lost.
If you've only seen the movie it's not your fault you were filtered. You're still dumb but you have an excuse at least.
No I'm saying you aren't looking at why the cult was successful in the first place.
Violence being an inherent part of man isn't bad. The movie actually has a better ending imo since the protagonist reconciles that with being a functional person rather than just packing a sad at the realization.
The cult is bad because it glorifies self destruction not because it's violent
>No I'm saying you aren't looking at why the cult was successful in the first place.
No. You just said it was a superficial reading and I don't believe you realized it was a cult. A lot of people don't.
>Violence being an inherent part of man isn't bad.
No one said it was but you touched on the reason the violence in the fight club is ironic. They're literally destroying themselves in order to free themselves. Simple as. It's a pretty on-the-nose metaphor but most people miss even that.
>I don't believe you realized it was a cult
Yeah it takes a genius to realize the guys chanting "his name was Robert Paulson" are a fricking cult.
What a moron, get over yourself
A movie does not have a singular "message." Even if the writer or director intended to convey a specific idea, it hardly makes their interpretation the correct one.
>credit cards bad
They are though. Bankers are evil and usury is a sin.
>SMOOOOKE
I am Jack's shitposting nature
Movie was bullshit. Name one man that fricking ENJOYS getting beat up.
Also, if you tried that shit IRL half the people would be dead or in comas after week one. The human body is a fragile machine, not a punching bag like you see in movies. A person can easily die from getting punched once.
>what is a movie?
Violence is cathartic. If you'd ever beaten the shit out of anyone you'd get that.
Only if its bullshit fantasy movie violence. IRL fights are stressful, scary and really painful and dangerous if youre on the receiving end. A real life fight club would result in terror and death.
>Only if its bullshit fantasy movie violence.
Not at all. I participated in combat sports and it was based as frick. Yeah, it's a sport so I wasn't going to get killed but the point is that there's a general allure towards violence and it's a natural part of life. In fact, people get catharsis from just watching others engage in violent acts or playing violent video games. Violence is inherently cathartic.
>A real life fight club would result in terror and death.
That's why the violence in the story is ironic. They literally destroy themselves in an attempt to reclaim themselves (and start a cult of destruction in order to "create" something higher than they are as individuals). It's ironic.
Why is violence bad in the context of the movie?
Jack feels happy but overwhelmed at what the cult is becoming. They gather men with nothing in their lives and make them happy and form a community of brotherhood. As far as I could tell they let anyone in that wasn’t glowing, and committed mischief on institutions that deserved it. Threatening the guy to become a vet was probably their worst action, and even though it’s objectively wrong to do that, it probably did kick start his life.
I accept that it was a cult and people were getting manipulated, but if they’re happier in the cult and only harming massive institutions why is it so bad?
>why is it bad
They're destroying themselves and they give up their agency toward a generic nihilistic impulse. The movie brushes over this a bit and part of the message is that they don't really have any other choice, but they're engaging in self-destruction and trying to destroy all aspects of the society they live in. This makes more sense in the book where the final target is a museum, a warehouse of cultural achievements, and not credit card companies (which yeah, frick those guys).
Shhhhh. We're discussing the movie now. If getting the last word will make you feel less pathetic and give you a semblance of accomplishment in what I'm sure is a sad/pathetic/lonely life--be my guest. Good luck.
You should never put a cap on violence. Restricting violence only leads to internal, psychological violence.
>Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.
Read Starship Troopers, anon. You'll enjoy it.
>i participated in combat sports and it was based as frick
lmfao you fricking b***h ass
Training for something and then accomplishing it while people watch and cheer is a great, anon. I'm sorry you've never experienced that. Sports are based.
and i'm sorry you're that moronic bud
No one will ever cheer for you, anon. You'll accomplish nothing and sneer at those who do as if that is some form of victory. You have my pity.
i'll still have you writing me love letters too, ironic no?
>can't even differentiate between pity and love
I'm really sorry, anon. Go watch a porno where the actress makes eye contact with the camera. It isn't healthy but for someone like you it can be excused. Bye now.
projecting hard huh?
We're strangers but you're the one who decided to slide instead of talking about the movie. Having it pointed out you were filtered obviously upset you and now you just keep replying with the same nonsense over and over as if it will undo the fact you're a moron who was shown up. This conversation means nothing, anon. You're just prolonging the punishment and hoping to get the last word as if it means something. Want to talk about the movie now? I think I'm going to go to bed.
second time you're pretending to leave but i'm the one looking for the last word, funny how that works.
>I kept replying to different posts on an anonymous forum but it's your fault you're still talking to me!
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Good night.
third time's the charm I guess, oh and i accept your concession.
>I am very smart posting
>Did I mention I've read fascist literature
>I also compete in "combat sports"
It's like you're running for the most insufferable homosexual on the internet
>fascist literature
Neither of those books is fascist literature, moron. Keep seething about a stranger on the internet. Just pretend I'm lying. It won't make you smarter but it will make you feel better.
Nobody gives a shit. Do you really think anyone is going to look that up?
>another polhomosexual thread