Vivziepop is asshole. Why Erin Frost hate?

An ex-concept and background artist on Helluva Boss recently spoke out against Vivzie and the production of the show
>Hey. Been pretty quiet for a while because working on Helluva Boss fricked my mental health so badly I’ve given up on animation entirely and haven’t been able to draw for the last year or so since I quit. Vivienne Medrano is an awful human being.

>I’m honestly touched to see so many supportive messages. For a long time I never spoke up because I was afraid of what it would do to my career prospects. But the longer my burnout lasted the more it was clear I just didn’t have a future in animation. Not if it meant overworking myself to the breaking point.

>Maybe I’ll get back to working on indie projects one day, but Spindlehorse was just such a toxic experience I’m not sure that will be any time soon. I struggle even to draw things for myself. It’s gonna be a while before I’m ready to try and monetize something I’m passionate about by selling my creative labor to others.

>It’s not to just that Viv demanded unreasonably tight deadlines (when she even gave us deadlines) but she also demanded our loyalty as employees. We weren’t allowed to speak positively about other shows. Especially not other indie projects. We weren’t really allowed to work on other indie projects either. It was frowned on.

>I remember one time Viv got us all on a Discord group call and streamed a crossover episode of Villainous and another CN show. She encouraged everyone to make fun of it and tear apart every little flaw. She would also speak poorly of other creators, indie or otherwise. I distinctly remember her mentioning that it was *supposedly* utter hell to work with Dana Terrace of The Owl House.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Celebrity gossip is neither comics nor cartoons.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Anon we must hate Vivziepop because we must.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    source?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I know I’m not the only one who left feeling this way. Another friend of mine struggled to get work after leaving Spindle because Viv allegedly threatened other creators not to hire her artists. I can’t verify this myself, so you’re just gonna have to decide for yourself if you believe that one. Personally, I do. While speaking about Viv with the producer of other indie works (and who now works for Bento Box) describing a time she met Viv at a convention. As she recalls it, Viv seemed to find the idea of investing in her artists and their careers pointless and laughable.

      >I genuinely feel used, and that we were all used. It’s been over a year since I quit so idk if things have changed or improved. I highly doubt it though.

      https://erinfrostart.tumblr.com/post/687717644789530625/im-honestly-touched-to-see-so-many-supportive

      Celebrity gossip is neither comics nor cartoons.

      Cope. Animation production is Cinemaphile

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Make a cartoon about demons
        >Expect the creator to be kind and empathetic
        The products almost always reflect the soul of the CEO.
        What I mean is. Demon and bad energy subjects always bring bad vibes

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Explain Doom then.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well that depends. Are you talking about pre-2016 Doom or post-2016 Doom?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Demon and bad energy subjects always bring bad vibes
          Go and stay go >>>/x/

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          it's not about the subjects, it's about how they are portrayed
          and in this case, viv's nature should've been seen from a mile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Karl would never ask for a source

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >It was just deeply toxic all around. Not just the way the animation and design work was done—that being highly disorganized and unprofessional—but also the culture. When I first joined the studio it felt like Viv treated me as an equal, and I’m sure it felt that way for a lot of us. But gradually a hierarchy came into place. Viv had her favorites (the people who flattered her and rarely if ever showed interest in anything that wasn’t Hazbin or Helluvaboss) and her “executives” of sorts. Her close friends and favorites.

    >There’s Sam Miller. Who I believe is (or at least was) listed in credits as Background Design Lead or something to that affect, and is essentially Viv’s gal Friday. She was very often considered the de facto leader in Viv’s absence. She was pretty nice in the beginning but as time went on she became more and more rude and abusive towards the artists. It was actually an interaction with Sam Miller that finally caused me to quit. Viv had made herself pretty untouchable and we were meant to go through Sam (at least for background artists) if we had a question for Viv.

    >I’m not going to go into detail on that last interaction here but it was Sam’s treatment that affected most of us who had issues on that project. We barely interacted with Viv any more.

    >As far as we were aware, she was spending more and more time rubbing elbows with the increasingly expensive voice talent. That’s likely where most of the budget goes. Merchandising and paying for name brand voice talent like Norman Reedus. Viv herself insisted she had wanted the role of Fizzaroli to go to Wierd Al, but Yankovich’s agent rejected the offer on his behalf. I can’t imagine he comes cheap.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >sam
      She and Viv got matching Hazbin tattoos, so they are really close.

      >From what I figure, once the first episode of Helluva went live and Viv insisted on uploading a new episode every 1 to 2 months, things got progressively worse. She had little to no sympathy for those of us who needed day jobs to support ourselves. She wanted us to have the turnout of a brick and mortar studio with none of the organization, professionalism, or employee benefits.

      >I was working between 30 and 40 hour weeks at Starbucks because I had bills/loans to pay. I once pulled an all-nighter to try and meet a deadline which was only given out *when I asked for one* and which turned out to be less than a week away. I stayed up all night to meet the deadline and then went immediately to my 8hr shift at Starbucks. The lack of appreciation was so crushing.

      >That’s how I’d describe working for Viv: “Crushing”

      >I looked up to her. That’s why I applied to the show. I was one of the people who defended her when people tried to call her toxic. And then the reality of it was that Viv uses the people who admire her to her advantage. It’s why she hires fans. She knows we’re desperate for her approval so she knows she can get away with pretty much whatever she wants. After I left Spindlehorse I tried salvaging my career but I was just too exhausted. I’m still feeling that burnout and at times it can feel like I might never get my art back. I know I will, but as someone who struggled with mental illness even before working on Helluva, it just kind of wrecked me to have finally “made it” with my animation career only for it to abruptly blow up in my face because if someone I had looked up to.

      Don't twitter artists constantly hawk their portfolios begging for work? Of course she'd hire from there

      >being paid so little that you have to work at starbucks as a professional artist
      industry standard pay is $50 an hour anon. Viv was paying us less than $20 with no paid overtime or known deadlines. You'd find out what was due when she yelled at you over discord. No written messages means less proof of the abuse. She shouldn't be in this industry at all

      >starbucks
      I thought all the people working on this were fulltime freelancers?

      Don't shoot the messenger, bro

      Hello luke :*~~)

      What IS the downside for going to Hell?
      Do you just get everything for free in Heaven? So then Hell is just Earth 2.0?

      Unironically this, there's no punishment. HB even went from focusing on imp hitmen doing their job to the gay owl show.

      okay but i don't care
      where's episode 8

      Legal issues

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Legal issues
        so never?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Vivziepop use the die young song from ke$hia whom she didn't had the rights too hence why she unlisted her fan made animated music video of it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >From what I figure, once the first episode of Helluva went live and Viv insisted on uploading a new episode every 1 to 2 months, things got progressively worse. She had little to no sympathy for those of us who needed day jobs to support ourselves. She wanted us to have the turnout of a brick and mortar studio with none of the organization, professionalism, or employee benefits.

      >I was working between 30 and 40 hour weeks at Starbucks because I had bills/loans to pay. I once pulled an all-nighter to try and meet a deadline which was only given out *when I asked for one* and which turned out to be less than a week away. I stayed up all night to meet the deadline and then went immediately to my 8hr shift at Starbucks. The lack of appreciation was so crushing.

      >That’s how I’d describe working for Viv: “Crushing”

      >I looked up to her. That’s why I applied to the show. I was one of the people who defended her when people tried to call her toxic. And then the reality of it was that Viv uses the people who admire her to her advantage. It’s why she hires fans. She knows we’re desperate for her approval so she knows she can get away with pretty much whatever she wants. After I left Spindlehorse I tried salvaging my career but I was just too exhausted. I’m still feeling that burnout and at times it can feel like I might never get my art back. I know I will, but as someone who struggled with mental illness even before working on Helluva, it just kind of wrecked me to have finally “made it” with my animation career only for it to abruptly blow up in my face because if someone I had looked up to.

      >I know I’m not the only one who left feeling this way. Another friend of mine struggled to get work after leaving Spindle because Viv allegedly threatened other creators not to hire her artists. I can’t verify this myself, so you’re just gonna have to decide for yourself if you believe that one. Personally, I do. While speaking about Viv with the producer of other indie works (and who now works for Bento Box) describing a time she met Viv at a convention. As she recalls it, Viv seemed to find the idea of investing in her artists and their careers pointless and laughable.

      >I genuinely feel used, and that we were all used. It’s been over a year since I quit so idk if things have changed or improved. I highly doubt it though.

      https://erinfrostart.tumblr.com/post/687717644789530625/im-honestly-touched-to-see-so-many-supportive
      [...]
      Cope. Animation production is Cinemaphile

      Well this likely explains the VA stuff on Hazbin.
      And yet in the end non of this directly matters.
      This info will make the rounds and then once the new episode comes out people will just forget about it. Such is the way of things.
      The only way this info could be effective is if its paired with such a big hiatus or massive production/story frickups that this could add to it, or this news coming out causes Viv to freak out and she self detonates but people with this kind of ego rarely do.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This
        All news is sensationalist now and nobody cares. Scream and cry for 15 min of fame and then get shoved under the next screaming and crying news story

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It only matters if she still does this and given the constant delay on the episodes, somehow I doubt she’s pressuring the crew as much

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >There’s Sam Miller. Who I believe is (or at least was) listed in credits as Background Design Lead or something to that affect, and is essentially Viv’s gal Friday.
      >She was pretty nice in the beginning but as time went on she became more and more rude and abusive towards the artists. It was actually an interaction with Sam Miller that finally caused me to quit.
      This isn't surprising at all. Have you seen Sam's Twitter? It's like reading the diary of a stereotypical uppity blonde from some teen show. The fact that Vizie's closest friend is a colossol stuck up b***h is very telling of her own personality.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >From what I figure, once the first episode of Helluva went live and Viv insisted on uploading a new episode every 1 to 2 months, things got progressively worse. She had little to no sympathy for those of us who needed day jobs to support ourselves. She wanted us to have the turnout of a brick and mortar studio with none of the organization, professionalism, or employee benefits.

      >I was working between 30 and 40 hour weeks at Starbucks because I had bills/loans to pay. I once pulled an all-nighter to try and meet a deadline which was only given out *when I asked for one* and which turned out to be less than a week away. I stayed up all night to meet the deadline and then went immediately to my 8hr shift at Starbucks. The lack of appreciation was so crushing.

      >That’s how I’d describe working for Viv: “Crushing”

      >I looked up to her. That’s why I applied to the show. I was one of the people who defended her when people tried to call her toxic. And then the reality of it was that Viv uses the people who admire her to her advantage. It’s why she hires fans. She knows we’re desperate for her approval so she knows she can get away with pretty much whatever she wants. After I left Spindlehorse I tried salvaging my career but I was just too exhausted. I’m still feeling that burnout and at times it can feel like I might never get my art back. I know I will, but as someone who struggled with mental illness even before working on Helluva, it just kind of wrecked me to have finally “made it” with my animation career only for it to abruptly blow up in my face because if someone I had looked up to.

      >I know I’m not the only one who left feeling this way. Another friend of mine struggled to get work after leaving Spindle because Viv allegedly threatened other creators not to hire her artists. I can’t verify this myself, so you’re just gonna have to decide for yourself if you believe that one. Personally, I do. While speaking about Viv with the producer of other indie works (and who now works for Bento Box) describing a time she met Viv at a convention. As she recalls it, Viv seemed to find the idea of investing in her artists and their careers pointless and laughable.

      >I genuinely feel used, and that we were all used. It’s been over a year since I quit so idk if things have changed or improved. I highly doubt it though.

      https://erinfrostart.tumblr.com/post/687717644789530625/im-honestly-touched-to-see-so-many-supportive
      [...]
      Cope. Animation production is Cinemaphile

      >every character is greedy vain butthole
      >the creator turns out to also be a greedy vain butthole

      What a twist!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >From what I figure, once the first episode of Helluva went live and Viv insisted on uploading a new episode every 1 to 2 months, things got progressively worse. She had little to no sympathy for those of us who needed day jobs to support ourselves. She wanted us to have the turnout of a brick and mortar studio with none of the organization, professionalism, or employee benefits.

      >I was working between 30 and 40 hour weeks at Starbucks because I had bills/loans to pay. I once pulled an all-nighter to try and meet a deadline which was only given out *when I asked for one* and which turned out to be less than a week away. I stayed up all night to meet the deadline and then went immediately to my 8hr shift at Starbucks. The lack of appreciation was so crushing.

      >That’s how I’d describe working for Viv: “Crushing”

      >I looked up to her. That’s why I applied to the show. I was one of the people who defended her when people tried to call her toxic. And then the reality of it was that Viv uses the people who admire her to her advantage. It’s why she hires fans. She knows we’re desperate for her approval so she knows she can get away with pretty much whatever she wants. After I left Spindlehorse I tried salvaging my career but I was just too exhausted. I’m still feeling that burnout and at times it can feel like I might never get my art back. I know I will, but as someone who struggled with mental illness even before working on Helluva, it just kind of wrecked me to have finally “made it” with my animation career only for it to abruptly blow up in my face because if someone I had looked up to.

      >I know I’m not the only one who left feeling this way. Another friend of mine struggled to get work after leaving Spindle because Viv allegedly threatened other creators not to hire her artists. I can’t verify this myself, so you’re just gonna have to decide for yourself if you believe that one. Personally, I do. While speaking about Viv with the producer of other indie works (and who now works for Bento Box) describing a time she met Viv at a convention. As she recalls it, Viv seemed to find the idea of investing in her artists and their careers pointless and laughable.

      >I genuinely feel used, and that we were all used. It’s been over a year since I quit so idk if things have changed or improved. I highly doubt it though.

      https://erinfrostart.tumblr.com/post/687717644789530625/im-honestly-touched-to-see-so-many-supportive
      [...]
      Cope. Animation production is Cinemaphile

      None of this seems outright shocking or brutal, not enough for a very public name and shame of the company and director. This girl seems like a weak and neurotic person that blows things out of proportion.

      Try to change things for the better while you're still there or leave. I don't understand what this tiff will achieve beyond undermining the show and jobs of the people that still enjoy working there.

      It's okay if the environment is not for you, if you don't fit the culture and need to work at a different studio. Maybe they really are just buttholes. But the management style clearly works really well for the show, clearly a lot of employees support it still. So perhaps there is a reason why things are being done the way they are.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Okay Vivzie

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have an actual counter-argument or...?

          I don't think this is a small thing at all, I'm actively wondering now if content will be cut or cancelled in the future because of controversies like this. The validity of these peoples' claims is a big deal imo. Stuff like this can also snowball into these sort of super irrational hate brigades that the twitter world likes to do.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >None of this seems outright shocking or brutal, not enough for a very public name and shame of the company and director
        Treating worker like shit should not be accepted. Period.

        If you think it's nothing out of the ordinary, then the issue is with the ordinary.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >From what I figure, once the first episode of Helluva went live and Viv insisted on uploading a new episode every 1 to 2 months, things got progressively worse. She had little to no sympathy for those of us who needed day jobs to support ourselves. She wanted us to have the turnout of a brick and mortar studio with none of the organization, professionalism, or employee benefits.

    >I was working between 30 and 40 hour weeks at Starbucks because I had bills/loans to pay. I once pulled an all-nighter to try and meet a deadline which was only given out *when I asked for one* and which turned out to be less than a week away. I stayed up all night to meet the deadline and then went immediately to my 8hr shift at Starbucks. The lack of appreciation was so crushing.

    >That’s how I’d describe working for Viv: “Crushing”

    >I looked up to her. That’s why I applied to the show. I was one of the people who defended her when people tried to call her toxic. And then the reality of it was that Viv uses the people who admire her to her advantage. It’s why she hires fans. She knows we’re desperate for her approval so she knows she can get away with pretty much whatever she wants. After I left Spindlehorse I tried salvaging my career but I was just too exhausted. I’m still feeling that burnout and at times it can feel like I might never get my art back. I know I will, but as someone who struggled with mental illness even before working on Helluva, it just kind of wrecked me to have finally “made it” with my animation career only for it to abruptly blow up in my face because if someone I had looked up to.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This all makes Deerie as Viví's self insert uncomfortably realistic...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >This all makes Deerie as Viví's self insert uncomfortably realistic..
      Evidence for this?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well for one, it's her profile pic on Twitter... not to mention she voices her.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, was just curious. That's something, wow what a massive b***h.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if you're being sarcastic but the scene with Deerie in it is eerily similar to the claims of how Viv treats her employees.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No I am being serious. I picked up on that. That's an unapologetic lack of self-awareness she's got.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I distinctly remember her mentioning that it was *supposedly* utter hell to work with Dana Terrace of The Owl House.
    APOLOGIZE TO FRESHERLUKE, Cinemaphile!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick off luke

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't shoot the messenger, bro

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          have a nice day luke

          Can confirm.
          People see "deadline" as misread it as "get it done by this time or you die", and not as it should be understood : "I need this by this time in order to go forward with the project.".
          A lack of scheduling means you don't have a project, you have a hobby and a money pit.
          Viz should have had
          > scripts
          > plot arcs and lore
          > storyboards and time sheets for a few episodes
          > a production schedule, or an idea of one
          > a merchandising plan with vendor lists and product ideas
          > a list of acceptable computer programs
          > a list of acceptable file formats
          > a list of contractor for outsourced labor
          all before production on episode 2 ever fricking began.
          Medrano didn't want to make a cartoon. If she did, she would have done so. Medrano wanted the self image of whimsy and merriment, not the labor. Animation is hard work.

          definitely agree to this, just because they're 'indie' dosen't mean they get to sit in a circle and jerk each other off constantly while people wonder where the frick is the next episode that's being promised 'sometime next Thursday'.

          I can't stand shit like this. If you're having such a problem with your job then fricking quit or take it up with your boss, stop being a cowardly b***h and tell them off. Why are you running to the internet to b***h and moan about it hoping people fight your battles for you

          I agree with most of this, i would of taken your pay stubs up to HR and viv and say 'hey nig nog, what gives? eather you raise it or i'm dashing out, suck my nuts.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            But she effectively left.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              well aware anon.

              >walmart doesn't need greeters
              Ah yes, we were clearly talking about greeter job.
              >no one owes you a job.
              No boss owe me to treat me like shit for a shit pay.

              >you should be grateful.
              STOP SUCKING CORPORATE DICKS!
              There is nothing to be grateful. business need my job to function, I need pay to live. It's an exchange of needs and if they can't respect that, they can go frick themselves.

              What I owe to my boos is that a I provide a decent work and he better pay me decently for it. Gratefulness is and has never been part of the deal.

              >AAAHHH IT WAS SOOO HARD TO GET A FRICKING CONTRACT OF WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PAYED AND SOOOO HARD TO DOCUMENT ALL THIS SHIT TO GIVE TO HR BECAUSE I'M A STUPID homosexual AAAAAAAAAHHH!
              Hey have you gone to hunington beach and jump off a pier backwards into some fishing line you worthless c**t?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                IT WAS SOOO HARD TO GET A FRICKING CONTRACT OF WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PAYED AND SOOOO HARD TO DOCUMENT ALL THIS SHIT TO GIVE TO HR BECAUSE I'M A STUPID homosexual AAAAAAAAAHHH!
                >thinking HR is on the side of the workers.
                You can't be that stupid. especially with a boss who play favorite, HR (if there is even one) is fricking useless.

                No, she did the only thing to do: she left and exposed her boss, making it easier for other workers to speak out and actually change things.

                Don't blame the victim, there, she actually did the right thing.

                Reminder, the point of HR is not to help workers (that's more of an option), but to quell conflicts between workers so that the boss don't have to deal with that shit. And any quelling will be done in favor of the boss, not the worker.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                alright, fair ill give you that. Though what stopped them from just collecting all that information and mass email everyone (Or actually talking to afew animators/workers that feel likewise that would join in quitting) and they can make of that what they will, ither quitting or doing there own thing instead of a useless twitter screen-grab that will be forgotten after afew weeks by everyone including all those involved?

                who's luke?

                luke at deez nutz lmao gaddum

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Though what stopped them from just collecting all that information and mass email everyone
                A manipulative Boss who know how to control people.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is there anyone more needy then Luke?
          What other screen shots have been posted?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I finally unfollowed this homosexual when he he stopped posting his art for the most part and became an NFT shill.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          what twitter thread
          this is all tumblr

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    "Vivzie gave me a job and then expected me to work" the thread.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >being paid so little that you have to work at starbucks as a professional artist
      industry standard pay is $50 an hour anon. Viv was paying us less than $20 with no paid overtime or known deadlines. You'd find out what was due when she yelled at you over discord. No written messages means less proof of the abuse. She shouldn't be in this industry at all

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >us
        How was your time in Spindlehorse, anon? Any horror stories from the workplace you'd like to share?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >She shouldn't be in this industry at all
        Well guess what she is, so deal with it.

        Maybe instead of trying to cancel someone you should get a real job.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ...you are in Cinemaphile saying people shouldn't work as animators?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I am, do you have a problem with this?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You are an idiot Who LARPs as a boomer

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are either LARPing as the shitty animator who should get a real job or you are the shitty animator and you should get a real job

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are a moron

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Do you get paid a real salary to call me a moron because I don't think you do.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >not doing the work so its done and ready
        Lazy frickin millennials

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >>not doing the work so its done and ready
          Being given a deadline help a lot.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Start your work when its issued and you have nothing to worry about

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You have never worked on a big project, haven't you?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >talkback and excuses
                Trying to drag your boss, but you're no saint either

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Trying to drag your boss
                Management of the project overall and people working on it IS precisely the job of the boss. You bet your ass I am going to blame him if he is unable to do the one thing he is supposed to do.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If you actually put in the fricking work, then you wouldn't get b***hed at. You need stop coming on here if you're only here to rush to this place to be and whine to literal strangers on the internet for being lazy.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >If you actually put in the fricking work, then you wouldn't get b***hed at.
          Can you ate least learn how to read?

          She b***hed at them because she didn't give deadlines in the first place and made communication with her difficult. She is the one at fault.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >If you actually put in the fricking work
          you shut your prostitute mouth

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There are some bad animations in Helluva, but it's also all freelance and not thrown through the factory produced nature of industry animation. I'm a lot more forgiving of the errors it does have because of that. These guys did a great job.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine thinking you deserve six figures for putting out an internet cartoon

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Literally this.
      Sounds like they expected to work under Rebecca Sugar on SU where they basically don't do any real work and just get a pampered participation job because koreans will do all the animating. Typical womanchild response.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think you know how animation works

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I know that most western companies, don't actually do any of it. They do storyboards and 'make my dream cartoon for me over in Nintendo-land' by art students who would consider what work the real animators do slave labor.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Vivzie shills get the rope

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Literally this.
      Sounds like they expected to work under Rebecca Sugar on SU where they basically don't do any real work and just get a pampered participation job because koreans will do all the animating. Typical womanchild response.

      Stop sucking boss's wiener.

      Being "given a job" is not some sort of benevolent gift granted on you. Your boss NEED your work and wouldn't hire you otherwise. If your boss treat you like shit, your boss don't deserve your work.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        walmart doesn't need greeters. that's a pity job to help communities. no one owes you a job. you should be grateful.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >walmart doesn't need greeters
          Ah yes, we were clearly talking about greeter job.
          >no one owes you a job.
          No boss owe me to treat me like shit for a shit pay.

          >you should be grateful.
          STOP SUCKING CORPORATE DICKS!
          There is nothing to be grateful. business need my job to function, I need pay to live. It's an exchange of needs and if they can't respect that, they can go frick themselves.

          What I owe to my boos is that a I provide a decent work and he better pay me decently for it. Gratefulness is and has never been part of the deal.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            preach

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Dont waste your time with these idiots, they are only parroting what their boomer dad said to them

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >my boos
            Hey Luis

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >business need my job to function
            The Biden administration just approved 300,000 work visas for Mexico, so no, nobody needs (you) to do shit. Stay poor.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Greeters are very important from a pr and brand recognition standard.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You choked on red pills WHILE licking boots, didn't you?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You should be grateful for a job. There was plenty of other people to pick from but they picked you. Do your job. You dont want to be unemployed and homeless do you?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          > There was plenty of other people to pick from but they picked you.
          Probably because you fed into Viv’z ego the most.
          gay.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >There was plenty of other people to pick from but they picked you.
          This is what they want you to think because such narratives are beneficial to corporate entities and employers, not to the worker.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's a reason unemployment stays the same. And if you dont want to become part of it, then you best get to work

            > There was plenty of other people to pick from but they picked you.
            Probably because you fed into Viv’z ego the most.
            gay.

            Malding NEET, get a job

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              At least I work for money, you're doing it for free LMAO.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >doing it for free
                Yes i am making money for free.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, that doesn't make grammatical sense. I said you're working for free and what you've done is mistaken how the sentence structure works.

                God you're so fricking cringe.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >malding so hard that i get paid to do basically no work and can hang out on 4chin

                >Why is it so hard?
                It's not that so much that it's hard, rather than gratefulness is not a natural reaction to threats.

                >Youve been given a chance to get experience and money.
                Not, "Given". I am EARNING it in exchange of my work. this is not charity. And the experience I earn, the business I work for NEED me to gain it for them to make more money.

                Hiring someone for a job is not charity.

                Your job is a privilege that can be taken away

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What awesome job do you work, totally not-jobless anon?
                This should be good.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nepotism :^)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Your job is a privilege
                No, it's something my employer need, Dipshit wienersucker.

                >that can be taken away
                >actually say I am ready to provide a decent work for a decent pay
                >NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE GRATEFUL OR I'LL TAKE IT AWAY, WHY DON'T YOU SUCK YOUR BOSS wiener???

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >No, it's something my employer need
                you expect a neet larper to understand how it goes lol

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >employers hire people for works they don't think they need
                sure

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >There's a reason unemployment stays the same.
              Yes, because it's needed by businesses to maintain the pay low.
              >And if you dont want to become part of it, then you best get to work
              This is not even a full step removed from actual death threat.

              More like there are people with actual terrible jobs. What do we know about this frost fellow? They complain about having to work at starcucks, are they a commifornia moron or do they live in a cheaper state?

              Oftentimes the biggest babies could be saving but they have to live that 'big city' lifestyle or they cant be 'successful'

              >More like there are people with actual terrible jobs
              And they shouldn't accept it and others accepting terrible jobs themselves is in no way support.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >no comment on the fact people are causing themselves to lose money by living in expensive locations and maintaining expensive lifestyles

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >by living in expensive locations and maintaining expensive lifestyles
                People do not cause to increase rent or cost of live.
                >maintaining expensive lifestyles
                Ah yes, healthcare, why do people waste money in such luxury.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                More like living in a $2k asscrack apartment in insert big name city, eating avocado toast and drrinking their mispelled name coffees from starfricks cuz "hur dur i need coffee to function"

                Frick millenials, frick this soft gay generation

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >just move to the country bro
                >just like stop living in expensive places bro it solves everything
                lmao, moron take

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >why i have to work starbuuuuucks AND animate!?!?!?
                >hur dur livin that cali lifestyle
                >ono why am i poor

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                People have no choice but to live in cities, that's where the jobs are.

                also, that cali live-style you speak of is not what you think. This is Millionaires awned media that perpetuate that bullshit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >oh i have no choice but to stay here where all this awful is
                They're not living in auchwitz, they could just fricking leave. But no,gotta pretend that liberal arts degree is valid

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >They're not living in auchwitz
                Not for lack of trying.

                >they could just fricking leave.
                Hey, guess what? That's what she fricking did. So, no, she doesn't have to be grateful. she has a right to call quit and call out how awful her boss was.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >>hur dur livin that cali lifestyle
                most people in california live in festerting shitholes you absolute dumb frick

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >More like living in a $2k asscrack apartment in insert big name city,
                Do you know where most of the jobs are?

                >eating avocado toast and drrinking their mispelled name coffees from starfricks cuz "hur dur i need coffee to function"
                Jesuss christ, you have not just drink the kool-aid, you have gone straight to the factory and opened the valve right above your gaping mouth.

                Fact: business can't exist without workers. This isn't charity. Never has been.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its called a commute.
                Even with $2 gas, my rent, food and gas are still far less thank 2k

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Its called a commute.
                Ah, yes Commute, because the one thing the US is know is their quality public transport in the country-side.

                This is still bullshit speak that does not justify sucking your boss dick. THEY ARE THE ONE WHO NEED YOUR WORK.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Its valled having a car
                Beater cars are cheap and go from point A to point B
                Nobody is forcing you to buy a 2023 mercedes whatever

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Valled? HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY CAN'T SPELL WORTH SHIT! HAHA CRINGE

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >you made a typo, now i dont have to argue with you!
                Le ameritrash retatd

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                *moron
                Lol get mad. You're just upset that you can't spell properly. Who's the moron now? Hahaha

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Its valled having a car
                Car are fricking money sink. Not just gas, but regulare checkup.

                Also, let's make commute even worse by having everyone buy a car.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Costs less in the long run than a landlord leeching 2k a month

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Costs less in the long run

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >boots are cars
                A brand new car is more likely to run into problems.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are not good with the concept of using an example to illustrate your point, aren't you?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >A brand new car is more likely to run into problems
                Depends. If you buy a brand new car, the older that generation is, the more the recurring problems are fixed. If you buy a brand new version of a completely new model with a new line of engines and ancillary components and electronics, on the reliability bathtub curve of infant mortality 'peak' reliability failures, you're correct.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                this is why I live innawoods
                frick r*nt

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Costs less in the long run

                God, THANK YOU!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are you pretending to be a fricking dumbass boomer?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                t. zoomer

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >You should be grateful for a job.
          Not in my contract.
          >There was plenty of other people to pick from but they picked you.
          They still need me. they don't do it out of charity.
          >You dont want to be unemployed and homeless do you?
          "Be grateful, or else..."

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Be grateful, or else...
            Why is it so hard? Youve been given a chance to get experience and money. You wouldnt want to frick that up

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Why is it so hard?
              It's not that so much that it's hard, rather than gratefulness is not a natural reaction to threats.

              >Youve been given a chance to get experience and money.
              Not, "Given". I am EARNING it in exchange of my work. this is not charity. And the experience I earn, the business I work for NEED me to gain it for them to make more money.

              Hiring someone for a job is not charity.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Am I missing something here. is the stupid ungrateful man-child who can't take the stress to work on a regular job and has being using the internet to fight his battles just before the product he was working on and decided to quit airs.... is that guy here?

            no wonder he's a loser being on Cinemaphile

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Plenty of other people
          Unless you're doing the kind of job anyone could learn in a week or it's so prestigious everyone applied to the same one there'll be between one and five candidates for any given offer.

          Sure animation schools must produce thousands of animators every year but if you start looking for people who are
          >Available now or in a couple months
          >Willing to work for whatever you pay
          >Living close enough if there's a physical office
          >Willing to work for you after they ask their friends how much of a c**t you are
          >Capable enough to do the job
          >Not completely insane
          >Not foreigners if you can't deal with the paperwork

          You'll end up with a dozen people, ten of which will get hired elsewhere before you can write them a contract.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            now or in a couple months
            to work for whatever you pay
            close enough if there's a physical office
            to work for you after they ask their friends how much of a c**t you are
            enough to do the job
            >>Not completely insane
            >>Not foreigners if you can't deal with the paperwork

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So basically, she is using fans and using abusive conditioning and create a "no contact with competitions, we hate them" atmosphere to prevent her workers to run away and find bette work with better pay elsewhere.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Only if you can prove she did. The thing is, saying someone does something and proving it dies are two different things.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                A testimony is a form of proof, that can even be received in court.

                Of course, Vizie can deny it all in return and we are then in a he said/she said situation. What make it acceptable is if there are several testimonies coming from different people that corroborate.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Court is the key word here. Until you proven your shit everything is "allegedly" because anyone can say anything about whoever they want.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Court is the key word here.
                We are talking about what constitute proof or not.

                There are no criminal activities, there (I think).

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Until you proven your shit everything is "allegedly" because anyone can say anything about whoever they want.
                Isn't "allegedly" a legal cope, so you get sued for defamation?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much that and the fact that is your word against another person's. Basically you need more people coming out with the same story to be believable because otherwise it might be just how you imagined the whole thing to go.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Normally I agree but Animation is known to be hard torturous shit. She should've known what she's signing up for.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Neither did Glitch
          But they actually learned from their experience

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >viv didnt always demand deadlines
    >werent allowed to promote competitors
    >werent allowed to work with competitors
    >heard that Dana is hard to work with, something that has been repeated before
    Other than the supposedly toxic work place, which could mean anything, I don't see what the issue is.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      deadlines are very important and it is necessary to have them for the organization and production of an episode.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this. not having a deadline means you have no idea by when something has to be done. it could be tomorrow or next week.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this. not having a deadline means you have no idea by when something has to be done. it could be tomorrow or next week.

        Fair enough, I saw the "no deadline" as "take as much time as you need"

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Id be highly suspicious of any studio that said “take as much time as you need”

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Can confirm.
        People see "deadline" as misread it as "get it done by this time or you die", and not as it should be understood : "I need this by this time in order to go forward with the project.".
        A lack of scheduling means you don't have a project, you have a hobby and a money pit.
        Viz should have had
        > scripts
        > plot arcs and lore
        > storyboards and time sheets for a few episodes
        > a production schedule, or an idea of one
        > a merchandising plan with vendor lists and product ideas
        > a list of acceptable computer programs
        > a list of acceptable file formats
        > a list of contractor for outsourced labor
        all before production on episode 2 ever fricking began.
        Medrano didn't want to make a cartoon. If she did, she would have done so. Medrano wanted the self image of whimsy and merriment, not the labor. Animation is hard work.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          deadlines are actually a REALLY helpful thing, without them you get bullshit work schedules and painfully long waits as some butthole takes their sweet ass time submitting their work.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hopefully this drama will cause Viv to hire a competent project manager. Unfortunately, she'll have to admit to herself that she isn't good at management in order to do so.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      allowed to promote competitors
      allowed to work with competitors
      The notion of cartoon being "competitors" is just donwright stupid, and it deprive animoators of sometimes very need job revenue. There is no cartoon saturation in the indie scene.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >>viv didnt always demand deadlines
      She didn't GIVE deadline. They exist nevertheless.
      allowed to promote competitors
      Very stupid. in certain fields (and that's definitely the case in indie cartoon), cross-promotion help a lot. a quick and effective way to increase your audience by appealing to the fanbase of an other existing work.
      allowed to work with competitors
      Downright awful if you don't pay a living wage. Your workers need to live.
      that Dana is hard to work with, something that has been repeated before
      Hard to work for an abusive aren't the same thing.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I distinctly remember her mentioning that it was *supposedly* utter hell to work with Dana Terrace of The Owl House.
    I mean Dana does have a reputation for kind of being a c**t and only owlgays on Cinemaphile and twitter deny that.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not posting c**t boy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >two trannies
      >moxxie is bi
      >stolis being bi or just closet gay
      >whatever the frick blitzo is
      Do you think they will ever confirm any of this in-show and not in tweets?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If this is Hell, why is everybody so tolerant of LGBTIA people?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Consider the following:
          >gays go to hell

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, it's fun down here. you're missing out.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I said the same thing for Owl House

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Owl House is worse because hell is a fantastical concept and there’s flexible rules around it. Owl House literally made a feminist racial LGBT friendly oppressive tyranny, it’s the worst show ever

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Luke could you just make your own cartoon already and stfu

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >He doesn't know

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >feminist racial LGBT friendly oppressive tyranny
              ?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Basically the villain of owl house (until he got punked by an edgy deviantart OC) was a genocidal evil dictator who wanted to kill everyone because he was a lunatic, and yet in his plan he created a tyranny that accepts black people, lgbt characters and treats women well. Despite the fact he’s meant to be a cruel, oppressive, hateful discriminative butthole.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why would he botter to create a persecution when he's just going to kill everyone at the same time? Is like adding extra work for no reason, the only thing he needed was the coven system to be universal and the power to start the spell.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > Why would he botter to create a persecution when he's just going to kill everyone at the same time
                Because he’s an oppressive discriminatory butthole, and those type of characters don’t think "I’ll kill them all in a few decades no biggie” they think “KILL KILL KILL”. Not to mention he has a history of persecution with the way he petrified witches and hunted creatures like Vee, he’s already persecuting people.
                The whole point of him is to be a stand in for real dictators who use propaganda and force to get their way, and those dictators are racist homophibic sexist buttholes. And given the time period Belos comes from, he should be that but ten times worse. The fact he’s not just proves how toothless Owl House really is

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like bullshit. There's no point on persecuting someone you're going to kill anyway, the only people he needed to persecute where people against covens because he needed all to have the seal to kill them with the draining spell, and that already cause him problems (all the people who suspect him where people who didn't agree with his persecution of convenless witches) so adding MORE persecuted groups to that would be a bigger hassle in every single way.
                Maybe you're just moronic anon.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >yet in his plan he created a tyranny that accepts black people, lgbt characters and treats women well
                He planned to kill them all too.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              In-universe explanation:
              Philip wanted everyone to trust him and get coven sigils. Persecuting a decent percentage of the population for something that they never experienced any discrimination for would sow dissent.

              Actual explanation:
              Dana is a hack and doesn't see the irony

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What IS the downside for going to Hell?
          Do you just get everything for free in Heaven? So then Hell is just Earth 2.0?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I assume the constant gang turf wars and the generally unpleasant people like serial killers and genociders that will certainly have a high place in Hell to be a constant threat, also the one day a year genocide so if you're not already in-good you're fricked and your existence is wiped clean forever

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              So you don't even spend an eternity in Hell?
              You just chill out in Earth 2.0 until an angel comes by and kills you, then you stop existing?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the angels have weapons designed specifically to perma end your existence

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Basically just league of legends queue. Be shitty enough in life, get paired with all the shitty people in the afterlife.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I feel Heaven is gonna be just as bad, but in a different way. My prediction is Heaven is some bureaucratic, big brother-esque dystopia that's ruled by the angels with an iron fist

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm assuming the idea is that in Hell you have to put up with the denizens of hell. Imagine a city populated with Cinemaphile or Twitter users.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ep 3 confirms moxxie is bi
        Also, why does it need to be confirmed in show? Then youd just scream and cry about it being 'shoved down your throat', something people who are intimately close with their dads dick are familiar with

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's a show about goblins in hell made by a mentally ill liberal. Every character is bi, doesn't even need any confirmation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If they confirm it on the show people would b***h.
      It's a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.
      >Why can't we have troon characters without them being troons as the focus
      When you don't mention in the show they're troons you get people wanting in show confirmation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      hate the futa shit. Either transition or admit you're a homosexual with autogynophilia.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna smooch the left one. I want to see the other one violently rail him.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thank God for that horn thing, so I can ignore cute imp girls when its clear sign they are guys

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    WTF, how dare they ask someone they paid to animate to actually animate, wtf is Vivzie problem!?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >animate this sakuga moment with this little pay for this little time.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Don't work with theater kids, lads.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Never really dealt with them, though my sister was one.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >talks shit about other creators
    Knowing her, this doesn’t surprise me.
    her discord is full of sycophants

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rips off the black hat design then shits on the show, damn. What a back stabbing c**t

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pointy tooth upper class man is not an original design at all.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Which makes it all the more sad she ripped it off. Nothing about Vivziepop is original

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          How can one rip off a design that is common from the depths of tumblr?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Im not disagreeing with you that the design is trite and cringey but she obviously had a thing for blackhat as well as a reputation for ripping off characters before. It’s really not a huge leap in logic

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, but what I mean is what is the evidence for blackhat specifically and not just because she is the typical tumblr sexyman worshiper and likes those kinds of designs?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t have any hard evidence if that’s what you’re looking for its based off a pattern of behavior I’ve noticed. Her fawning over blackhat and the creation of her hatted gentleman toothy characters seems suspicious. I don’t think im going to change your mind. I think my point was she buddied up to the villainous creator then turnef around and talked shit like a little goblin

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, I'm coming from the angle that with or without blackhat she would've wound up with a similar design, but I could be wrong, who knows? I personally like to focus on actual documented wrong doings than throw out accusations.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I can respect that.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t have any hard evidence if that’s what you’re looking for its based off a pattern of behavior I’ve noticed. Her fawning over blackhat and the creation of her hatted gentleman toothy characters seems suspicious. I don’t think im going to change your mind. I think my point was she buddied up to the villainous creator then turnef around and talked shit like a little goblin

                Can confirm.
                People see "deadline" as misread it as "get it done by this time or you die", and not as it should be understood : "I need this by this time in order to go forward with the project.".
                A lack of scheduling means you don't have a project, you have a hobby and a money pit.
                Viz should have had
                > scripts
                > plot arcs and lore
                > storyboards and time sheets for a few episodes
                > a production schedule, or an idea of one
                > a merchandising plan with vendor lists and product ideas
                > a list of acceptable computer programs
                > a list of acceptable file formats
                > a list of contractor for outsourced labor
                all before production on episode 2 ever fricking began.
                Medrano didn't want to make a cartoon. If she did, she would have done so. Medrano wanted the self image of whimsy and merriment, not the labor. Animation is hard work.

                Fair enough, I'm coming from the angle that with or without blackhat she would've wound up with a similar design, but I could be wrong, who knows? I personally like to focus on actual documented wrong doings than throw out accusations.

                ...
                Well we are having a constructive conversation for once, that's nice.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Get your head out of Vivziepop’s ass, nerd.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Im not disagreeing with you that the design is trite and cringey but she obviously had a thing for blackhat as well as a reputation for ripping off characters before. It’s really not a huge leap in logic

      Yeah, but what I mean is what is the evidence for blackhat specifically and not just because she is the typical tumblr sexyman worshiper and likes those kinds of designs?

      I don’t have any hard evidence if that’s what you’re looking for its based off a pattern of behavior I’ve noticed. Her fawning over blackhat and the creation of her hatted gentleman toothy characters seems suspicious. I don’t think im going to change your mind. I think my point was she buddied up to the villainous creator then turnef around and talked shit like a little goblin

      I think that was because of the timing of his redesign, he looked and was suppose to act differently.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to frick 4 and 7 roughly and without protection and then tenderly cuddle with them

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can't stand shit like this. If you're having such a problem with your job then fricking quit or take it up with your boss, stop being a cowardly b***h and tell them off. Why are you running to the internet to b***h and moan about it hoping people fight your battles for you

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Especially after waiting 2 years and for the show to get greenlit on HBO(After you quit and won't get any $$$)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Especially after waiting 2 years and for the show to get greenlit on HBO(After you quit and won't get any $$$)

      bootlicker

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry I didn't realize the director of a small animation studio was major authoritarian force

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >telling your boss off to their face
        >licking boot

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      how does viv's butthole taste anon

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        like finely seasoned chorizo

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    okay but i don't care
    where's episode 8

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dog pussy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Finally a man that says what everyone was thinking.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I was thinking M and M

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Does this person think that deadlines in massive studios are less draconian??

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No.
      But those studios at least fricking pay you for your work.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No.
      But those studios at least fricking pay you for your work.

      as someone who's done contracting with both pros and freelancers/independents, the biggest difference is the companies are reliable and have a more solid structure, while you run a gambit when working with the little guys; sometimes they finish the job, sometimes they actually treat their (usually immigrant) workers right, sometimes they might even finish it on time. and sometimes they don't know what they're doing and make a costly mess. i assume it's similar with animation but anyone who's worked in it should give us a better picture of the sitch.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is part of it that freelancers are under less scrutiny from outside entities, do you think?

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you care

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why is mental illness so common in this industry

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because it allowed to happen.

      Say what you will about Romans, but they had entertainers on the same social ladder as prostitutes.

      Ever since we let actors and musicians open their yap and pretend, we should listen to their advice; the world has been degrading.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Go live with the Amish then moron.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Anon likes romans and has horrible takes
        Everytime

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Extremely based, twitter single handedly ended the cult of celebrity by letting these morons open their mouths and embarrass themselves.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hope things will go well for this person and everyone else who had to put up with this.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoying anything Viv makes is always such a hassle. I watch Helluva Boss for Horvitz and Brandon Rogers but I feel bad for giving it views if it only encourages shitty behavior behind the scenes.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing I find this shit repulsive no-matter how far away I am from it.
      Same goes for Steven Universe and Owl House. To make the discovery that all 3 shows that I happen to inherently dislike are all made by c**ty people, notably women, left-leaning women to be specific, is quite fricking hilarious.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        As long as you remember your favorite show's creator is probably a c**t as well, because that's generally how being a boss is.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, the seeds of Vivizie's downfall slash cancellation in the near future (TM).

    I mean, it's not surpising an amateur animationr trust-fund baby who got lucky with a few things due to connections but is known for her cringy DA sparkledog OCs PROBABLY isn't the best person to be running a company and bossing around people.

    Given her track record before she blew up, it's no surprise she would probably be a mega-c**t. People brushed it aside because hot-topic-cartoons and dog-waifu they wanted to frick? But, I'm certain she is the type to shoot herself in the foot and a huge toxic-scandal will come pouring out of the festering wound that is her online career sooner or later.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >trust fund baby not the best to be running a company
      Why not? Most of our b/milionaires are exactly that and the worlds is only turning to a shitheap faster than you can peg moxxie

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Idk what the hell you're talking about, there are so many damn celebs that are complete douchebags and have never got cancelled, nor will they due to the fact their work is so great. Now, on the other hand, I can see if she'll end up fricking herself over because she might end up scaring people away from her. All I can really ask is that she completes Helluva Boss and finally releases Hazbin Hotel.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >It’s not to just that Viv demanded unreasonably tight deadlines (when she even gave us deadlines) but she also demanded our loyalty as employees. We weren’t allowed to speak positively about other shows. Especially not other indie projects. We weren’t really allowed to work on other indie projects either. It was frowned on.
    Chad.
    Use a combination of gaslighting passive aggression, vague threats to their employment status and bullying to control the ship of state(business)

    People only understand authority. Vivienne clearly has overcome her womanly instincts enough to get this at least.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Im still predicting that.
    >2022 release.
    turns into
    >2023? release. (Which is already being hinted at, pic related)
    and then a mediocre slide into
    >2023
    >2024
    >WHEN. ITS. READY. CHUD.
    >It either comes out and is complete dogshit like 'WOW...THAT WAS SHIT!" Or canned.,

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >its another millenials being sensitive b***hes episode
    Im sure japanese animators would love to have a word with them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >those people work like shit so she should work like shit too
      No.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        More like there are people with actual terrible jobs. What do we know about this frost fellow? They complain about having to work at starcucks, are they a commifornia moron or do they live in a cheaper state?

        Oftentimes the biggest babies could be saving but they have to live that 'big city' lifestyle or they cant be 'successful'

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What a hostile thread.
    May I offer an M&M in this trying time?

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, can't we just all get along? 😀

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How did Viv fund her animated projects before Hazbin Hotel got popular enough to sell lots of merch? Her animations are relatively long and complex. Most animators find it challenging to find enough time or money that would allow them to finish projects like that. Had Viv saved money for her animation ideas for years, or does she have a rich family?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >How did Viv fund her animated projects before Hazbin Hotel got popular enough to sell lots of merch?
      Patreon. she got popular with her own animations.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      her family is rich. at one point she got scammed out of 10k by being a naive dumbass early in production and was like no big deal. the idea that she just built up her production naturally based on her own merit is a myth. if you hear her talk you'll quickly be able to tell she's an extremely sheltered dumbass with the brain of a 13 year old, with no business sense. like Trump, it's not hard to make lots of money when you already have lots of money.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >the idea that she just built up her production naturally based on her own merit is a myth
        I'd say she was able to attract legitimate clout thanks to her actual skill to animate. But that doesn't excuse treating your employee like shit or underpaying them if she can actually afford them standard salaries.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >. I distinctly remember her mentioning that it was *supposedly* utter hell to work with Dana Terrace of The Owl House.
    When did Viv work with Dana?

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    well this should be interesting since me and hundreds of others are seeing her in person tommorow, the loyalty thing seems like BS to me tbh

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Luke is everything Viv should strive to be like

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      who's luke?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        SMG4
        He created/produced much better shows than Hazbin can ever hope to be

        Like pic related that’s getting a new trailer tomorrow

        And Murder Drones that’s getting a full season later this year

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I have never seen those shows talked about on Cinemaphile, are they really popular?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Somewhat
            But usually discussed among its own fanbase most of the time

            Murder Drones pilot on the other hand got 9 million views

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              So it's not popular at all

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No I don't think Viv sould be unemployed working in substandard netflix shows.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You silly goose, all of Glitch’s shows are free

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      SMG4
      He created/produced much better shows than Hazbin can ever hope to be

      Like pic related that’s getting a new trailer tomorrow

      And Murder Drones that’s getting a full season later this year

      You silly goose, all of Glitch’s shows are free

      [...]
      Reminder

      Meta Runner
      Sunset Paradise
      Murder Drones

      All leagues above Hazbin and Helluva

      All of Glitch's work is a waste of Australian tax dollars.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >fat sparkledog furry that got popular making a terrible spastic poorly-synched Kesha video is a dumb selfish prick
    Gee, who could see that coming?
    If only there were some instinctively recognized pattern in the human mind where bright neon colors on a body indicate danger.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I liked that video.

      It got a C&D, btw.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No it didn't, it was just set as unlisted. It doesn't show up in the Youtube account or in the site's search, and it can be seen only if you happen to know the exact URL. It's over here:

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks.

          What IS the downside for going to Hell?
          Do you just get everything for free in Heaven? So then Hell is just Earth 2.0?

          In heaven there isn't the constant gang wars and you do'nt get culled on a regular basis by angels send by god to reduce the population of Hell.

          Heaven is basically a gated community.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Reminder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What show has Glitch done?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Meta Runner
        Sunset Paradise
        Murder Drones

        All leagues above Hazbin and Helluva

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Meta Runner
          Tried to watch the first episode and it was a meh show. Really couldn't buy a world where speedrunning was on the level of NFL
          >Sunset Paradise
          Nintendo want Spaltoonback
          >Murder Drones
          Remind me of that webseries where tow insect were planning to kill the President and there was a side-plot wiht a robot who started to enjoy wearing a wig and one of the human workers went 300% incel on her. The death drone remind me of that robot.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Really couldn't buy a world where speedrunning was on the level of NFL

            Don’t worry, neither does the show

            It’s actually a decent story if you look past the lack of world building

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    so did this homosexual give evidence or is this just another case of "i want attention" syndrome?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you are talking about the animator herself, what she is giving is testimony of what she witnessed herself. In a non-anonymous way.

      That constitute evidence in itself.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >no evidence
        >no other people backing them up
        Aren't testimonies famously unreliable because people remember things poorly in general?
        Is there any screncaps or other people talking about it?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >That constitute evidence in itself.
          i can claim i fricked your mom and that it was dramatic but that doesn't make it true, i want actual fricking proofs

          Testimony can be countered by coutner-testimonies and it become a case of he says/she Says.

          What make them actually relevant is when they are corroborated by other testimonies. And a first testimony coming out can encourage other to also speak up.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I'm asking for, is anyone confirming this? The part where you can't work in other places for contractual obligations could be proven if you have the contract.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >That's what I'm asking for, is anyone confirming this?
              There has been previous rumors of issues working with Vizie, but this is the first one a know animators has spoken out in a non-anonymous way, I think. It has come out recently, so we have yet to see if others will follow.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >What make them actually relevant is when they are corroborated by other testimonies
            ok, gibs me testimonies that have evidence behind them so i can make up my mind and frick off

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >ok, gibs me testimonies that have evidence behind them
              I told you, Testimony of direct witness ARE a valid form of evidence. Even receivable by court.

              If the person accused deny it, it's a case of he says/she say, where presumption of innocence prevail. But if more testimonies come out that corrobore the accusations, then those testimonies alone are considered valid evidences.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you can't seriously expect people to believe claims from bunch of randoms on the internet considering how many times autistic spregs get together and make claims just to frick with people because they don't like them, i just want any kind of evidence that isn't just "this (insert person) called me a Black personhomosexual and did this, this and this trust me guys"

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >you can't seriously expect people to believe claims from bunch of randoms on the internet
                Hence why I said "non-anonymous". People who are effetively known to have worked for her.

                Try to follow, please.
                Also, check

                [...]
                If you're looking for some complimentary testimonies, I found some right here.

                From @NineDoodles on Twitter,
                https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539671990767734784
                >I've kept my mouth shut about this subject because even the slightest mention of anything negative about her opens the flood-gates. Her own crew has ran into my dm's telling me to stay quiet nearly seconds after I stated I had a bad experience(didnt even mention her by name)
                >So I just wanna reiterate: Yes Viv is a terrible person who only cares about her own shows and projects and makes fun of other projects and Yes, Sam Miller has been Viv's right-hand women. We used to be friends but she turned when she began working for Viv
                https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539674878692929537
                (in response to a screencap of Joe Gran's tweet)
                >This was the same tweet I replied to about my negative experience that got Sam to instantly dm me to stay quiet lol

                From @spectralbeacon on Twitter,
                https://web.archive.org/web/20210322183635/https://twitter.com/spectralbeacon/status/1374067444063596544
                This testimony wasn't in response to Erin Frost's comments, but Joe Gran's. While it lines up with hers fairly well, it's been deleted, and it's unsure if it was done due to it not being entirely true, or if he was similarly pressured by the crew like @NineDoodles.
                >Crap man I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for speaking out, my girlfriend and I were treated bad while working on it too and mob mentality made us not talk.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                These are people who verifiably worked on the show you fricking sperg

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I'm asking for, is anyone confirming this? The part where you can't work in other places for contractual obligations could be proven if you have the contract.

            If you're looking for some complimentary testimonies, I found some right here.

            From @NineDoodles on Twitter,
            https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539671990767734784
            >I've kept my mouth shut about this subject because even the slightest mention of anything negative about her opens the flood-gates. Her own crew has ran into my dm's telling me to stay quiet nearly seconds after I stated I had a bad experience(didnt even mention her by name)
            >So I just wanna reiterate: Yes Viv is a terrible person who only cares about her own shows and projects and makes fun of other projects and Yes, Sam Miller has been Viv's right-hand women. We used to be friends but she turned when she began working for Viv
            https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539674878692929537
            (in response to a screencap of Joe Gran's tweet)
            >This was the same tweet I replied to about my negative experience that got Sam to instantly dm me to stay quiet lol

            From @spectralbeacon on Twitter,
            https://web.archive.org/web/20210322183635/https://twitter.com/spectralbeacon/status/1374067444063596544
            This testimony wasn't in response to Erin Frost's comments, but Joe Gran's. While it lines up with hers fairly well, it's been deleted, and it's unsure if it was done due to it not being entirely true, or if he was similarly pressured by the crew like @NineDoodles.
            >Crap man I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for speaking out, my girlfriend and I were treated bad while working on it too and mob mentality made us not talk.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              This one is also a "testimony" but it's from a Tumblr anon, so take with five (5) whole tablespoons of salt because it can easily be bullshit.
              https://crows-critique.tumblr.com/post/687818357955870720/ex-spindle-employee-here-i-can-confirm-everything
              >Ex Spindle Employee here. I can confirm everything Erin said is 100% true. Feel free to not believe some anon, but the reason more people haven’t spoken up isn’t because there isn’t more to say, it’s because we’re terrified of Viv and her army of fans trying to destroy our careers. On top of the cultish crew and fandom Viv has threatened more than once to use personal information as blackmail towards those who speak out against her. Viv is one of the most manipulative people I’ve ever met and it’s kept all of us silent for years out of fear.
              >The worst part is before things got huge she was actually really nice. Things took a turn once Sam became more in charge. That’s when the clique and favoritism started. They’d joke constantly about all of us being expendable so we always felt we needed to give her 200% or else we’d be out of this “amazing opportunity”. When anyone would complain or try to ask for better communication and organization, within a week they’d mysteriously be fired. Then soon after leads and those in the clique will start to block them and talking shit.
              >Calls always felt like either kissing up to Viv about how amazing helluva/hazbin are, shit talking other shows, or shit talking past employees and spreading rumors about them. We all felt like we needed to kiss her ass because you don’t want to be on the receiving end of the studio’s hatred next. Please believe us. This has been terrifying for all of us.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                If you're looking for some complimentary testimonies, I found some right here.

                From @NineDoodles on Twitter,
                https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539671990767734784
                >I've kept my mouth shut about this subject because even the slightest mention of anything negative about her opens the flood-gates. Her own crew has ran into my dm's telling me to stay quiet nearly seconds after I stated I had a bad experience(didnt even mention her by name)
                >So I just wanna reiterate: Yes Viv is a terrible person who only cares about her own shows and projects and makes fun of other projects and Yes, Sam Miller has been Viv's right-hand women. We used to be friends but she turned when she began working for Viv
                https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539674878692929537
                (in response to a screencap of Joe Gran's tweet)
                >This was the same tweet I replied to about my negative experience that got Sam to instantly dm me to stay quiet lol

                From @spectralbeacon on Twitter,
                https://web.archive.org/web/20210322183635/https://twitter.com/spectralbeacon/status/1374067444063596544
                This testimony wasn't in response to Erin Frost's comments, but Joe Gran's. While it lines up with hers fairly well, it's been deleted, and it's unsure if it was done due to it not being entirely true, or if he was similarly pressured by the crew like @NineDoodles.
                >Crap man I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for speaking out, my girlfriend and I were treated bad while working on it too and mob mentality made us not talk.

                Why wouldn't they just record the Discord calls to use as defense?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Recording private Discord calls without consent can be illegal depending on your state. Even so, not everyone knows how to record Discord calls, and it's fairly likely that they feel they simply just don't need to as they haven't identified the environment as "toxic" from their perspective yet.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >and it's fairly likely that they feel they simply just don't need to as they haven't identified the environment as "toxic" from their perspective yet.
                People underestimate how much of a big role that play in that kind of dynamic.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                People underestimate how easily it is to get blacklisted in this industry if you're a fricking nobody grunt. Newsflash: most showrunners are egotistical shitbags and most that work under them just have to accept it and hope their next job is better.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You realize most people are fricking moronic when it comes to computers, right? They would probably delete system32 if they were told to.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Based on how many people were in the call, it would probably be able to be traced back to whoever did it (since one of them had to have been recording) thus bringing Viv's hammer of vengeance down on them. Ergo, not an option.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, they're already calling her out openly so it's not like an anonymous thing already. It would be very useful for like this precise situation.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Well no, I was referring to this:

                This one is also a "testimony" but it's from a Tumblr anon, so take with five (5) whole tablespoons of salt because it can easily be bullshit.
                https://crows-critique.tumblr.com/post/687818357955870720/ex-spindle-employee-here-i-can-confirm-everything
                >Ex Spindle Employee here. I can confirm everything Erin said is 100% true. Feel free to not believe some anon, but the reason more people haven’t spoken up isn’t because there isn’t more to say, it’s because we’re terrified of Viv and her army of fans trying to destroy our careers. On top of the cultish crew and fandom Viv has threatened more than once to use personal information as blackmail towards those who speak out against her. Viv is one of the most manipulative people I’ve ever met and it’s kept all of us silent for years out of fear.
                >The worst part is before things got huge she was actually really nice. Things took a turn once Sam became more in charge. That’s when the clique and favoritism started. They’d joke constantly about all of us being expendable so we always felt we needed to give her 200% or else we’d be out of this “amazing opportunity”. When anyone would complain or try to ask for better communication and organization, within a week they’d mysteriously be fired. Then soon after leads and those in the clique will start to block them and talking shit.
                >Calls always felt like either kissing up to Viv about how amazing helluva/hazbin are, shit talking other shows, or shit talking past employees and spreading rumors about them. We all felt like we needed to kiss her ass because you don’t want to be on the receiving end of the studio’s hatred next. Please believe us. This has been terrifying for all of us.

                >This one is also a "testimony" but it's from a Tumblr anon

                So in this scenario it would be an anonymous thing.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >the reason more people haven’t spoken up isn’t because there isn’t more to say, it’s because we’re terrified of Viv and her army of fans trying to destroy our careers
                Why don't these people all team up and call her out simultaneously? Wouldn't enough dominoes fall that more and more people would come out about it? At this point, with five people coming out, how much is there to really lose when joining in that crowd and making it more than that?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Why don't these people all team up and call her out simultaneously?
                It's what is starting to happen now.

                There is also for some a sunken cost fallacy going on: they have been through to much shit to get where they are to just throw it all the window.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Well, thanks.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              A tweet thread collecting the various testimony:
              https://twitter.com/chelastuff/status/1539695381277249536

              >they are telling me to sup up
              FRICKING SCREEN CAP IT AND POST IT YOU FRICKING homosexualS

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                They posted links already, moron.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                then post the fricking link moron its just twitter links to homosexuals saying shit and the tumblr post

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >"They posted links already"
                >"then post the fricking link"
                Anon, I don't think you're being entirely clear about whatever the hell you want from me here..

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                There's a special place in hell for people like these.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              UPDATE:
              @NineDoodles has posted receipts, showing screencaps of Sam contacting them after they replied to Joe Gran's tweet.
              https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1540180341406593024
              >Okay Here ya go- tdlr: Tested for Viv, did not get what I was told I would, then learned way too many things about her after. https://twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss2jt2?new_post=true
              >These are the dm's Sam had sent seconds after I posted my vague frustration
              >for the bad-faith stalkers of mine, may the record show that I never ONCE claimed to have been part of SpindleHorse :^) I did test and spoke briefly, then ghosted. Keep trying to grasp at straws tho!

              Here's the Twitlonger:
              >I wanna preface this by stating a few things and stating my personal experience:

              >Did I work at SpindleHorse? No because (to my knowledge) It wasn't even officially around when I tested for Helluva Boss. Back when Helluva was still an unannounced project, Viv did a call for storyboard artist. The turn-around was quick, around a week, if not less. At the time, I was struggling to get some Freelance board work and I was still new to it, but I wanted experience. And part of the advertisement Viv put-out was to personally see-to that those who test would get individual feedback

              >I thought "Yes! This is what I want! I need some sorta guidance" Being from a struggling family situation meant I was never going to be able to go to school, so any chance at mentorship was ideal. So I shot Viv and email to test for HB, and got test materials back. Signed an NDA and I was pumped to try to get some experience. The test consisted of 3-5 minute animatic using Brendan Rodgers audio from his vids. Crunched the hell-outta that bad-boy and sent it off!
              >Now again, I wanted feed back, that was the whole point

              >I was passed up on but told to maybe try again in the future when more board artist are needed. That's okay I thought, I just want to know what I could've done to make it better

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Too many key frames? Not enough? Was it too clean? Was it too rough? I wanted *some indication to point me in the right direction, it's the least she could do right? I shot an email asking about it

                >and crickets
                >okay
                >I emailed again a few months later

                >nothing

                >dejected, I really felt used. It takes time making animatics, and the characters aren't exactly the simplest. Not saying that's a good or bad thing, it's just an observation. Anyway- I had seen a post on twitter sometime later, years later, from CooltheJoe about having regret for working on HH. I hadn't said anything publicly about my experience with Viv at that point, but I still felt hurt, so I vented that I had an unpaid and unresponded-too test that I had done for this same person. Never once did I use her name, or any variation of it

                >Literal seconds later
                >I get dm's from Sam Miller, a person who I've chatted with since Tumblr era. She came in....a little hot

                >So that's my personal Viv story, but that isn't all I know about the situation: ya see there's a reason people are quiet about this thing, it's not easy to talk about someone who has an insanely large cult following. But that doesn't mean people don't feel the hurt when they are being abused. I have had multiple friends who have known her. Some worked for her, some did not. And each and everyone of them has been hurt by her. It's a pattern that has been going on behind the scenes for literal years. Viv has favorites, and people who worship her are the ones she clings too the closest. Which is rich because I know for a fact they still will talk shit about her behind her back. I doubt Viv even knew that part considering her raging narcissistic tendencies

                >A lot of people will throw themselves in-front of an actual bus before ever entertaining the idea that Viv is a fallible person and not some Animation God Who Can-Do No Wrong

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >This post, this information, this testimony, is not for those people. This isn't me trying to persuade the ravage fans that their fave is #problematic and the #drama of it all

                >I am finally talking publicly because I need everyone who is skeptical, even a little, to take this piece of information moving forward: There are a lot of people that Viv has hurt. There is a lot more than you and I know. And they don't feel safe. If you want more people to come forward, we have to agree that talking about abuse of power and influence are a real threat to people's livelihood's, and that those effected can feel safe enough to finally speak. Viv has used fear as a weapon for a long time, and I'm tired of letting her hurt people.

                >I got off very very easily, honestly she helped me dodge a bullet by ignoring me, but many aren't so lucky, many didn't know about her when they first joined on. Many still don't know.

                >To Those who have been effected but are too scared to say anything in fear of public backlash or blacklisting, Please know you are not alone. I (and other exworkers) see you and your pain. What you have gone through and know, you aren't crazy, it's real abuse.

                >And if you work for Viv and you're first response is "Wait I didn't have a bad time. The experiences of others must not be true since it didn't effect me!"

                >I encourage you to actually speak to anyone on the team who mysteriously quit. Who used to work but just disappeared into the void. Because Viv plays favorites, there's absolutely a hierarchy, why else would she have fired all the original voice actors and replaced them for Broadway stars

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Closing thoughts: No matter what I say, there will be bad-faith arguments, stupid attempts at derailing the conversation, any excuse to not think critically in-favor of living the escapist fantasies of it all, but if you actually care about people involved in making animations and not just the animation itself, then I implore you to let people know that their safe to speak-up. To confide in you

                >I hope you all stay safe out there and drink plenty of water

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I can confirm that anon fricked your mom.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Anonymous testimony have very little ground.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >That constitute evidence in itself.
        i can claim i fricked your mom and that it was dramatic but that doesn't make it true, i want actual fricking proofs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You'd think she'd record some of these discord calls or have screenshots but no

        That's more of the company's fault than her own, anon.

        2 of the fired VAs had union membership yet still got canned

        Nico comes off as an actually sociopath sometimes

        You know how you can look at someone and just know that they're off? That's Nico.

        Why does this board simp so hard for HB/HH so damn bad anyway? Both are shitty shows, the one hardly can be called a show given it’s only a pilot. Is it just deviantart/tumblr migrants?

        It feels like this board is losing interest in it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >2 of the fired VAs had union membership yet still got canned
          which ones again?

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Give me the TL;DR version or post Millie pics

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      According to that animator, Vizi lead her team with a cult of personality, play favorite, try to create a "special club" feeling by organising discord sessions to dunk on other cartoon show and what she consider "competition".

      She has gone ivory toward, being difficult to contact, don't give deadlines, give most of her directive vocally through Discord to leave no written proofs.

      Hire mainly among her fans so they can feel privileged to work for them, under pay them so they have to work a second job to make a living.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus Christ

        How horrifying

        I’m guessing she isn’t a fan of Murder Drones then

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Cute robot

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you for posting my husband, I like seeing him.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Well the tight deadlines clearly aren’t on anymore since they went on hiatus for almost a year

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I remember one time Viv got us all on a Discord group call and streamed a crossover episode of Villainous and another CN show. She encouraged everyone to make fun of it and tear apart every little flaw
    This could be fueled by other workers though since a lot of the ex Villainous crew went to work for Vivzie and they hated their past work. There’s a spiteful culture there beyond Vivzie.
    >Dana Terrance hard to work with
    Well that’s true

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Well that’s true
      Evidence other than Luke masterterbation.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Take one long look at her Twitter. She's definitely a fricking b***h. Even her pictures give off those vibes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The constant changes in the crew (far more than usual for a 3 season show), criticism online by content creators, rumors, her reddit meltdown, etc. Plus the fact she’s the only modern showrunner of DTVA who got a cut off third season, not even BH6 got that and that show did worse than Owlshit. Disney and Dana clearly have a bad relationship like Alex did

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A tweet thread collecting the various testimony:
    https://twitter.com/chelastuff/status/1539695381277249536

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There's only one new testimony here, and it's from @handsomehugs on Twitter. This one is particularly dubious, because several users appear to have called this user out for the creation of shota and noncon, which appears to be the reason that they were fired. Pic related.

      They have also posted a callout post in April 2021, which is also linked in their current testimony.
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XdfUJyVYhmaahTfbxLNU0W0yVz80hmptNrCQv7KSL6o/edit

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Anyways, here's their Twitter thread in response to Erin Frost's comments,
        https://twitter.com/handsomehugs/status/1539707679626633217
        >I remember there being massive amounts of shit talking going on in the server that was supposed to be a professional work environment. It gave me severe anxiety but I just tried to keep my head down and diligently do my work. But of course, as those familiar with my situation already know, I was thrown under the bus when Holly and Jay called me out. I was harassed by Sam, the HR person, blamed for the fallout of my abusers actions impacting Viv, and forced to publicly apologize for what my abusers did and my reputation was left in shambles.
        >Viv's however, was unaffected, and would have remained unaffected even without me taking the blame. I had NO power. I never had any power. I was a chronically ill person trying to regain their footing after being bedridden and housebound for 2 years. I was incredibly vulnerable.
        >I have not been able to get work since and while I know the reasons go beyond this, I’d be lying to say it didn’t contribute to me being cut off by animation communities and pinned as a problem to work with. Real life friends of mine who I had known before Viv knew them cut me off to stay in her good graces. She just showed up one day in LA and started hanging with the same people I had gone to college with, the people who were my only support system, and after this they all immediately dropped me.
        >All I ever did was try to be friendly, professional, and a hard and diligent worker, and yeah I was a little late with my board deadline but also my reasons were being chronically ill and having COVID during a global pandemic, but I got my work in without it impacting production and did good work.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >What happened to me was not Viv’s responsibility, neither was it Kyle Carrozza’s (while we're on this topic), but as two creators in power they had absolutely no excuse to harm me and ruin my career and livelihood without so much as extending an ounce of sympathy towards the situation I was and am now in. They could have cut contact with me privately and left it at that, instead Viv vagued me publicly while my callouts were happening, and even though it was Holly, my stalker, that said Spindlehorse cut ties with me which got people worked up in the first place, I was blamed for it and left confused and in harm's way.
          >And the only reason why I was inclined to believe the rumors at all was explicitly because of the copious amounts of shit talking and mistreatment I knew about that went on behind the scenes so good god. But even when I publicly apologized and cleared the drama for Viv's sake of convenience, I was still left with my career and friendships ruined, just tossed aside like an object, not a human being. By both Viv and Kyle and everyone who wanted to stay in their good graces despite knowing I am nothing but a well-meaning, hardworking and kind person.
          >I’m not surprised to see more people come forward about the unjust treatment they’ve received.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I’ve known about it for a while but knew I had no power to say anything and had no place to speak on other’s experiences, that goes for things I’ve witnessed and know about with Viv AND Kyle C.
            >I know there is no justice to be had for me, but I sincerely wish for the best for those who are speaking up and I hope that they can recover and move past the experience in whatever form that needs to be for them.
            >For what it's worth I have nothing against Viv, despite everything, I just wish I was treated better than her handling my situation in a way that harmed me needlessly for really, no good reason.
            >I just hope she eventually comes around and treats people better.
            >Last thing I’m gonna add to this: I literally just want to pay my bills and support myself. That’s it. I have no personal vendetta against anyone I just would like the peace of mind to try to move on without getting harassed or having people fixate on trying to harm me still.
            >Relinking this because people are spreading blatant lies again
            (links to tweet of 2021 callout document that I already shared)
            >It was never about art or whatever idiots are claiming. I had stalkers obsessed with me and animation creators in power handed these abusers direct access to harm me and my career just to prioritize their own convenience because I wasn’t useful enough to their image.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >instead Viv vagued me publicly
            I wasn't aware that Viv made any public statements about Vee, or that Kyle Carozza was involved. Tell me the story, anon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Anyways, here's their Twitter thread in response to Erin Frost's comments,
        https://twitter.com/handsomehugs/status/1539707679626633217
        >I remember there being massive amounts of shit talking going on in the server that was supposed to be a professional work environment. It gave me severe anxiety but I just tried to keep my head down and diligently do my work. But of course, as those familiar with my situation already know, I was thrown under the bus when Holly and Jay called me out. I was harassed by Sam, the HR person, blamed for the fallout of my abusers actions impacting Viv, and forced to publicly apologize for what my abusers did and my reputation was left in shambles.
        >Viv's however, was unaffected, and would have remained unaffected even without me taking the blame. I had NO power. I never had any power. I was a chronically ill person trying to regain their footing after being bedridden and housebound for 2 years. I was incredibly vulnerable.
        >I have not been able to get work since and while I know the reasons go beyond this, I’d be lying to say it didn’t contribute to me being cut off by animation communities and pinned as a problem to work with. Real life friends of mine who I had known before Viv knew them cut me off to stay in her good graces. She just showed up one day in LA and started hanging with the same people I had gone to college with, the people who were my only support system, and after this they all immediately dropped me.
        >All I ever did was try to be friendly, professional, and a hard and diligent worker, and yeah I was a little late with my board deadline but also my reasons were being chronically ill and having COVID during a global pandemic, but I got my work in without it impacting production and did good work.

        >What happened to me was not Viv’s responsibility, neither was it Kyle Carrozza’s (while we're on this topic), but as two creators in power they had absolutely no excuse to harm me and ruin my career and livelihood without so much as extending an ounce of sympathy towards the situation I was and am now in. They could have cut contact with me privately and left it at that, instead Viv vagued me publicly while my callouts were happening, and even though it was Holly, my stalker, that said Spindlehorse cut ties with me which got people worked up in the first place, I was blamed for it and left confused and in harm's way.
        >And the only reason why I was inclined to believe the rumors at all was explicitly because of the copious amounts of shit talking and mistreatment I knew about that went on behind the scenes so good god. But even when I publicly apologized and cleared the drama for Viv's sake of convenience, I was still left with my career and friendships ruined, just tossed aside like an object, not a human being. By both Viv and Kyle and everyone who wanted to stay in their good graces despite knowing I am nothing but a well-meaning, hardworking and kind person.
        >I’m not surprised to see more people come forward about the unjust treatment they’ve received.

        Lmao shut the frick Vee, you can’t work on a children show and be drawing public drawings children fricking

        That’s creepy, Kyle did the right thing

        Also if you have to say your an nice “ well-meaning, hardworking and kind person.”

        Your probably not

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Rebecca Sugar drew Ed Edd n Eddy porn, so it's pretty fricking hypocritical to let her get away with that at the very least.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            IIRC Sugar drew said EEnE porn when she was a minor, so she wouldn't be entirely guilty here.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              She was already an adult, we've seen art of Rebecca Sugar from when she was 15 and the Ed, Edd n Eddy porn is far too well made, the leap in improvement between the ages of 15 and 17 would be impossible to achieve.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Gee it’s as if Kyle wanted to cover up the fact that he’s a known groomer and pedo by pretending to be shocked about a couple harmless drawings

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            wat

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he’s a known groomer and pedo
            >No proof

            Lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >because several users appear to have called this user out for the creation of shota and noncon
        you mean like the animators on tiny toons and the simpsons and rugrats and wakfu and

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >one of the testimonies is a guy who falsely accused RicePirate of sexual assaulting him and NTFs

      Not an good look for the anti Vizzie crowd

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if the backlash will actually stick, and if it does, how it’ll affect Hazbin

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Vizie will have to give dive her demission and quit the show and it will then be in full control of A24.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is this really what we're reduced to? Petty indie Dev obsession when we can instead be trying to get our claws into marvel.
    I thought we were bad Anon. Frick happened to us.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cinemaphile has always been interested in what happens behind the scene.

      I can assure you there would be a more busy thread if this was something that had happened ate Disney or nickelodeon.

      I still remember the weeks of talk after the Feet fetish revelation.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The what revelation

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.google.com/search?q=nickelodeon+feet&tbm=isch

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Dan Schneider likes feet, and is a pedo who made girls in iCarly show off their feet.

            >putting gross out humor in your show means you secretly like them

            Wasn’t that always rumor

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not really sure about that, but after all of the shit that came out after Dan Schneider was exposed, it made sense.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Dan Schneider likes feet, and is a pedo who made girls in iCarly show off their feet.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This just feels so pathetic Anon. We're obsessing over someone who made it? Can't we wait for them to start tearing themselves down before we revel in the anarchy. This just feels like a disgruntled employee b***hing on Cinemaphile trying to wield Anon like a weapon.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >We're obsessing over someone who made it?
          We are curious about the people who make cartoon, yes.

          Behind the scene and executive meddling has always been among Cinemaphile's interest.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/handsomehugs/status/1539707679626633217

    https://twitter.com/chelastuff/status/1539695381277249536

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210322183635/https://twitter.com/spectralbeacon/status/1374067444063596544

    https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539674878692929537

    https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539671990767734784

    >underpaying labor
    >unprofessional behavior
    >weird petty shit talking about other cartoons
    >harassing to make people keep quiet
    so the last claim is interesting, the other thing actually somewhat believable but people are saying that viv and the rest of her c**tsquad are telling them to shut the frick up but did not post screencaps, links or anything other than saying "it happened" can any anon post anything supporting that part because i want to see viv getting caught red handed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Moral of the story, before, during and after talking screencap everything.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Being from multiple people is substantial on its own

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Being from multiple people is substantial on its own

        if any of this is true then the only moral that is being substantiated is that Vivz is fricking based. Get fricked moralgays.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Get fricked, lesser beings with a moral conscience

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            like i said, if any of these accusation are true it would show us that Vivz does not constrain herself to moral spooks and is simply trying to get ahead. This is the difference that makes you the "lesser beings with a moral conscience" because Vivz gets to make drawings of stupid little critters for money and you don't

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Having a moral conscience doesn't make you a lesser being, loving your fellow man is the greatest service one can give.
              By giving love to another, you give love to the life god made and you become the standard of paradise he yearns to have you part of, and that standard of virtue on earth can bring a man out of any hell no matter how deep.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                big words for a punk who got KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It’s not a big claim to want to control your desire to do wrong in a callous reality where wrongs are done endlessly and unjustly, and it’s not a big claim to want to do good in spite of that reason.
                If you believe the world is hell and put yourself first to thrive in that hell then you are the normalization of the cruelty you hate.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Once again, shut the frick up Collin

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >333 x 2 = 666
                Satan?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the frick up Collin

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >underpaying labor
      >unprofessional behavior
      >weird petty shit talking about other cartoons
      >harassing to make people keep quiet

      The sad thing is that these things aren't uncommon in professional studios either. Sounds to me like everyone is out to start petty fights, like they typically do on Twitter.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >weird petty shit talking about other cartoons
      but why?

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    do we have a audio recording? it would be sufficient to lend credence to these accusations

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm surprised people didn't already know Viv was a total c**t after she fired Michael Kovach.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's more of the company's fault than her own, anon.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She fired all the pilot VAs right? Being really "professional" and doing things "the official way" (ie lopping up A24 and the Bob's Burgers people's diarrhea) seems to be very important for her self image.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They weren't Union so she was contractually obligated to get new VAs. Wasn't really her call.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Gee, if only she that beforehand

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            she knew this was going to happen seeing how it sounds like she always wanted 'professionals'.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          From what I hear non-union VAs are typically offered a spot in the union if something like this happens but they didn't for the pilot cast.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        Source and context?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          well.. me.

          The idea was, if Kovach's severance was innocent and normal, than this comic would just be nothing.

          however.. If Viv was guilty of shady dealings, perhaps maybe even betraying Kovach, then putting angel dust in a similar feel might make viv see the irony. Despite having spent the effort, I admit I didn't look very hard into what really happened. If anything else, it was a chance to practice making comics

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >practicing making comics
            Well it's a nice comic, keep up the good work.
            >Kovach's severance
            Still sucks that Kovach is no longer playing the role and I can see other's disappointment. All the podcasts with him voicing angel, the pilot, and an entire music video with more views than the pilot.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    BECAUSE VIVZIEPOP IS A BASTARD WOMAN

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nico's one of her groupies, can confirm from someone whose worked with em they're both underpaying buttholes who steal ideas and criticize others while they hate getting criticized themselves

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nico comes off as an actually sociopath sometimes

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >my mental health
    Again with this meme?
    Just have a shrink or have a nice day

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why does this board simp so hard for HB/HH so damn bad anyway? Both are shitty shows, the one hardly can be called a show given it’s only a pilot. Is it just deviantart/tumblr migrants?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does this board simp so hard for HB/HH so damn bad anyway?
      you say that as if this board doesn't like other really shit shows like steven universe

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        While true it still doesn’t answer my question. I blame zoomers who don’t go back to watch classics

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it's literal shills/bots

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How will vivziepop is going to respond to this controversy considering she was caught deleting comments mentioning it on her youtube channel and Twitter page

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    hazbin hotel's gonna suck isn't it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh boy I can’t wait

      For Meta Runner S3

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it wasn't even that good of a pilot. I'm surprised it got picked up at all. At least Helluvaboss was funny and made with competence.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nuh-uh, Angel Dust definitely made it funny, frick, I wanted to see more of him.

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is working on American cartoons really that hard? I understand Japanese animators and Korean sweatshop workers have it hard, because they actually do stuff. Americans even use the Koreans for the actual animation.

    Basically, what does the person that said the shit in OP actually do?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >because they actually do stuff
      Say what you want about the writing or production ethic of HH, but it's definitelly quality animation in which a lot of work and effort has been put.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry, I rarely watch modern cartoons.

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    kek
    i can't be the only one in here that also doesn't believe in '' listen the season finale episode with huge buildup we worked months towards is actually not very significant!! ''

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah... what was that all about, anyway? Just because of legal issues she's trying to sweep that whole episode under the rug? I guess she's trying to assuage her audience, but seriously - how could this massive episode NOT have serious plot/character moments? She's been working on it for so long, building it up within her audience, even releasing part 1 with an abrupt ending to lead into the 2nd part... all just to tell us "Oh yeah there really isnt much plot here actually lol but yeah guys look forward to season 2!!!" It just boggles my mind

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't worry it wasn't that important 🙂
        (Has vital plot elements for season 2 to make sense)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah... what was that all about, anyway? Just because of legal issues she's trying to sweep that whole episode under the rug? I guess she's trying to assuage her audience, but seriously - how could this massive episode NOT have serious plot/character moments? She's been working on it for so long, building it up within her audience, even releasing part 1 with an abrupt ending to lead into the 2nd part... all just to tell us "Oh yeah there really isnt much plot here actually lol but yeah guys look forward to season 2!!!" It just boggles my mind

          what are the odds they literally scrapped the entire episode and are going to make it something completely different?

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Can we just agree that 90% of people in the modern animation industry are petulant children and less than stellar individuals.

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Amphibia and Hilda
    >both created by men
    >animation staff have never issued a complaint

    >Helluva Boss, Steven Universe and The Owl House
    >several allegations made of the creators being c**ts
    >all women
    lol, lmao even

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You better not be saying what I think you're saying. We don't take too kindly to sexism here, do we boys?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, I kinda don't care

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I hate woman like you couldnt believe

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rebecca has never been the cause of drama with SU, though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Weren't Loud House and Clarence made by men?

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I have some more evidence of her stealing more character designs from back around 2011-2012, from these troll accounts that dollcreep and some of their associates had. Don't know if Viv was aware that these were troll accounts, I'm sure she had to know due to the sparkledog thing, but yeah.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Post

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/darlinkaz/status/1540110773266968576
    https://twitter.com/squiderdoodle/status/1540132367725199366

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for posting.

      [...]
      If you're looking for some complimentary testimonies, I found some right here.

      From @NineDoodles on Twitter,
      https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539671990767734784
      >I've kept my mouth shut about this subject because even the slightest mention of anything negative about her opens the flood-gates. Her own crew has ran into my dm's telling me to stay quiet nearly seconds after I stated I had a bad experience(didnt even mention her by name)
      >So I just wanna reiterate: Yes Viv is a terrible person who only cares about her own shows and projects and makes fun of other projects and Yes, Sam Miller has been Viv's right-hand women. We used to be friends but she turned when she began working for Viv
      https://twitter.com/NineDoodles/status/1539674878692929537
      (in response to a screencap of Joe Gran's tweet)
      >This was the same tweet I replied to about my negative experience that got Sam to instantly dm me to stay quiet lol

      From @spectralbeacon on Twitter,
      https://web.archive.org/web/20210322183635/https://twitter.com/spectralbeacon/status/1374067444063596544
      This testimony wasn't in response to Erin Frost's comments, but Joe Gran's. While it lines up with hers fairly well, it's been deleted, and it's unsure if it was done due to it not being entirely true, or if he was similarly pressured by the crew like @NineDoodles.
      >Crap man I'm sorry to hear that, but thanks for speaking out, my girlfriend and I were treated bad while working on it too and mob mentality made us not talk.

      This one is also a "testimony" but it's from a Tumblr anon, so take with five (5) whole tablespoons of salt because it can easily be bullshit.
      https://crows-critique.tumblr.com/post/687818357955870720/ex-spindle-employee-here-i-can-confirm-everything
      >Ex Spindle Employee here. I can confirm everything Erin said is 100% true. Feel free to not believe some anon, but the reason more people haven’t spoken up isn’t because there isn’t more to say, it’s because we’re terrified of Viv and her army of fans trying to destroy our careers. On top of the cultish crew and fandom Viv has threatened more than once to use personal information as blackmail towards those who speak out against her. Viv is one of the most manipulative people I’ve ever met and it’s kept all of us silent for years out of fear.
      >The worst part is before things got huge she was actually really nice. Things took a turn once Sam became more in charge. That’s when the clique and favoritism started. They’d joke constantly about all of us being expendable so we always felt we needed to give her 200% or else we’d be out of this “amazing opportunity”. When anyone would complain or try to ask for better communication and organization, within a week they’d mysteriously be fired. Then soon after leads and those in the clique will start to block them and talking shit.
      >Calls always felt like either kissing up to Viv about how amazing helluva/hazbin are, shit talking other shows, or shit talking past employees and spreading rumors about them. We all felt like we needed to kiss her ass because you don’t want to be on the receiving end of the studio’s hatred next. Please believe us. This has been terrifying for all of us.

      There's only one new testimony here, and it's from @handsomehugs on Twitter. This one is particularly dubious, because several users appear to have called this user out for the creation of shota and noncon, which appears to be the reason that they were fired. Pic related.

      They have also posted a callout post in April 2021, which is also linked in their current testimony.
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XdfUJyVYhmaahTfbxLNU0W0yVz80hmptNrCQv7KSL6o/edit

      New testaments here.

      From @darlinkaz on Twitter.
      https://twitter.com/darlinkaz/status/1540110773266968576
      https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss2jli
      This is a LONG ass TwitLonger and so I'll try to cut it up and spare irrelevant details, as it's more of a vent than a proper callout. TL;DR at the end.

      >as mentioned. i have no screenshots. I'm sorry to those who wanna believe me but cant due to lack of proof. and i get it. you need that to really take my word for it. but I hope I and others speaking out will make it easier to trust even without the screenies to say so.
      >if you guys remember me, hi, im kaz. i use to own an oc known as wilson limbo. google him and hell pop up if you need a refresher.
      (pic related is the artist's model sheet for Wilson Limbo, drawn as a Hazbin Hotel fan character)
      >He's been around for a long time. like hell way before hazbin was on my mind. he was just some random oc i felt would fit in and he did. over time, through the websites i went on and communities, he grew to be a fairly well-known oc, even people mistaking him for being an actual character, leading some folks to tag viv asking she make him cannon, to which i asked people not to cause i was fine with him being an oc.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >when the pilot came out, i thought nothing more passed, haha, its like if the office were set in hell. its pretty funny and i was down with it cause it had Bradon frickin Rodgers and hes funny as hell so of course, i liked it. but. that was it. it wasn't much my taste past me thinking it was a funny one offer viv made while hazbin was still in the works.
        >seeing the many times they were looking for people to work there, i figured, hey, why not. i mean, im already in the fandom, i draw in the style pretty good.
        >now they were looking for a black artist. and i just so happened to be one of those and shot my shoot extra hard. and wouldn't ya know, i got hired. now this was just to work on helluva. it not hazbin , and i admit i was a little let down but i didn't mind.
        >they were fun to do and i took this as a learning opportunity. i could get better over time, learn how to work with a team, and work under someone i looked up to!
        >now. heads up folks, i hadn't worked in a working environment since i was 17 and that was its own bombshell of hell.
        >for me, work wasn't the issue. i got it done and got paid.
        however, when the Instagram accounts began, that's when things went downhill.
        (ramble of @darlinkaz talking about how they ran the Angel Dust Instagram, largely irrelevant but displayed slight contention between @darlinkaz and Viv)

        >[the pony town arc]
        >if you all recall, blitz likes horses. and for a while, a fe team members and i played pony town with the characters designed for the game. i had a pre-existing angel dust pony and made that one angels main pony.
        >thing is, if you play the game, you can have your twitter linked back if you want.
        >why does this matter?
        >oh. cause they [allegedly] thought i was trying to garner fans yet again with that tag there.
        >rather than come to me saying, "hey kaz, we noticed angels pony model has your Twitter tag, can you take that off. we wanna keep the accounts as anonymous as possible." none of that.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >[the hot shots. the big cheeses] [coughvivandsam]
          >oh boy these two.
          >lets start by saying, i hate sam more than i do viv.

          >[viv and being let go]
          >all the stuff i say is after i had been let go.
          >first off, viv, i didn't quit. ok. sam came to me at a 4am notice to let me know i was let go with a copy pasta lookin goodbye letter after i made a tweet on my Wilson account that people need to stop shipping stolas and via. [seriously stop. That's gross]
          (for context, Octavia is Stolas' teenage daughter)
          >worried i said something wrong, did something wrong and i asked sam, what i did wrong and she assured me it was nothing.
          >i took her word for it, but it was like, hardly a day after helluva episode 1aired and it killed me. i cried myself to sleep because in that moment, i was alone.
          >waking up that next morning, i went to available friends and broke down. i didn't know what i did. i didn't get a single message from anyone asking where i was or if i was okay.
          >i felt removed. angels account was gone, the discord i was in was gone. everything was gone. and i didn't have time to process or say goodbye. i was kicked.

          >so for me to learn they said , "oh kaz quit." was a lie. if i had the choice, i would have never quit that job had you asked me in the past.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >i loved working there, viv. i did. so for you and or sam to [allegedly ] say that my prop work wasn't good cause i didn't like helluva. that i didn't try cause i didn't like helluva. that i tried to sneak my ocs in without coming to me to change a characters design so you go behind my back to have someone else fix it instead of coming to me to learn from my actions.
            >you let me crash and burn. you and others saw my constant mistakes and not once did you come to me to talk to me about them.
            >ill admit my faults. i should have shown more interest in this show, but i didn't. but that never affected my work just cause i wasn't a big fan like others in there who were.
            >to expect me to sit down and gawked and bed over and bow to a show i wasn't truly in the fandom for but in it for the work.
            >i worked there for the work and the hopes to working with the team, not to simp over a show.
            >you [allegedly ] thought i didn't watch any of the storyboards. i did. you jsut never sat down with me to see if i did. just another assumption.

            >as for the oc you thought i tried to sneak it, its the red-headed trans dude in the spring break episode. long hair, buff, eyes cover, trans scars.
            >i enjoyed an imp oc who had similar looks as if that was his imp form. but no, they had no connections. and if Viv wanted me to change the design, they should have asked me to.
            >and anyone who goes, "oh you should have known tho- they shouldn't have to--" i never worked in a space like that. not at the studio level. how am i supposed to know when ive done wrong if im not told there's an issue. its as simple as sending one of your designers at my DMS to talk about changing the design due to similarities.
            >i get it, they looked very close, and i can understand their viewpoint, but to just point at me and say all these things are what ive done with ill intent it wrong.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >its hard trying to come up with answers to why i did this and that when i at the time didn't think on why i did.
              >but they were more than open to talk behind my back about my issues than come to me to help fix them for the team and myself. so thanks viv.

              >[sam]
              >what is there to say about perfect angel sam. the fake blond.
              >shes mean.
              >She's very fricking mean. i won't even sugar coat it. a conceited stuck up preppy person who could learn a thing or two about being humble.
              >she was the one who happily let me go, who snagged the angel dust account from me when i was let go.
              >who came to my DMs when i tweeted out how sad i was to no longer see the show grow with me there, but happy to see itll still go on.
              >making it out as if me coming back would muddy up the look of spindel. so me thinking i would be let back on the team, deleted it.
              >now. that being said, it was alleged, that after i was removed, i was never going back on that team. they never planned to bring me back on, so sam telling me that me coming back, if ever they decided they would bring me back, was a lie to keep my mouth shut.
              >why keep this lie up. why keep this lie ive done no wrong just for me to learn ive been such a big issue. im not even upset i was this big an issue for the reasons people would think i should be, im upset because it was never brought to my attention.
              >im upset because all of the horrible moments ive caused there was nothing but gossip hate talk for them to feed each other about how awful i was without me knowing i was this awful.
              >for me to learn that sam [allegedly] enjoyed the fact that i was too scared to hop on calls when she was there is just nothing more but bullying.
              >to know you knew i was nervous around you and enjoyed that didn't want to be near you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >[talking to them]
                >as i said earlier, some team members thought i only wanted to talk to viv and sam.
                >no. that isnt the case. i was nervous. they made it clear where i stood and i was both star-struck and freaking out i could mess up.
                >so i talk and talk and talk and when its all said and done, i shut up. for a while. so much so i just cant find words so leave or just don't say anything.
                >being shy isnt just poking your fingers and nervously speaking in a hushed tone. i blabber on and on or say nothing.
                >with viv and sam, its talk and talk. not cause i want to, but cause i felt like i had to. they're the boss. i wanna know if i can talk to them or if its easy to and its not. their numbers dont mean anything and i learned that shit fast with sam and her "better than you." personality.

                >[other stuff]
                >my rambling is due to learning they have "dirt" on me. dirt being more lies and/or misconstrued ideas they may have to ruin my name if ever i came out.
                >not just me alone but others too. to know they plan to just shut people up instead of working to better themselves is telling. to know they would rather fight back just to win vs to better themselves as a team or fight back for the sake of their name.
                >my actions were not team-worthy. i should have been more open to conversation. i should have noticed my actions. i should have talked with people where i could to build up a better environment for myself,
                >but i feel that wouldn't have worked in terms of my staying at spindle because i feel they would find ways to remove me anyway.

                >i wanted to be a teammate. i couldn't be and i gotta work on that. but i was set up for failure. i wasn't given even a bit of chance to work on my actions.
                >im sorry, I wasn't good. but im not sorry i couldn't change that.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Again, sorry for the long ass post. Anyways, here's your TL;DR.

                >According to the Twitlonger, the crew appeared to have had issues with Kaz, an evidently shy member of Spindlehorse. Lots of these issues were (false) assumptions based on his intent over a variety of things, with rumors ranging from being that he was submitting intentionally lackluster work because he didn't like the show (the team essentially serves as their own little fan club, as Viv has an apparent preference towards hiring fans), trying to sneak his OC into the show (coincidental details), that he's a suck up to Viv and Sam, etc.
                >Thing is, the team apparently *never* actually attempted to communicate with Kaz about his faults, instead preferring to gossip about the quality of his character behind their back as they made Kaz out to be some selfish butthole. He was never given any talks about these supposed issues as they continued to worsen and grow outside of his control.
                >Sam eventually DM'd Kaz a longwinded copypasta-looking goodbye letter soon after he denounced a father/daughter incest ship, giving him the boot from both the project and it server. After crying for a good bit, he later tweeted that he's sad to not grow with the show, but still happy to see it progress. Sam seemingly went and manipulated him to delete the tweet. Kaz later learned that the team falsely reported that he decided to quit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Lastly, from @squiderdoodle on Twitter.
                https://twitter.com/squiderdoodle/status/1540132367725199366
                >Frick it.
                >Yes, it's all true. I quit SH bc of unprofessional and shabby treatment/environment, as well as the shameful way dear friends have been treated. I am ashamed to have defended the leads so vehemently in the past.
                >Now you know my truth. I'm done quietly crying abt this
                >They can make up whatever rumors in retaliation they want to- which apparently they're good at. I don't give a rat's hiney what they say abt me anymore- I know my truth and my friends know my truth. And that's enough for me.
                >At the time, quitting was probably one of the most painful things I've ever done. It was hard to grapple with the idea that something I'd once loved and poured my heart into would turn out so dark. It's hard to face the idea that you've been fooled for so long..
                >But now? I'd say I'm happier where I am. I've learned some important lessons, met some great people (hell I met great people through spindle)
                >I'll be alright. No matter what anyone thinks, we'll all be alright. Just gotta wait and see.

                I'd personally say that there are enough testimonies to firmly confirm that, with or without evidence, something fricky appears to be happening internally within SpindleHorse. Too many people appear to have come out about this specific fan-riddled behavior within her Discord community for it to just be brushed off, I believe.

                Also splicing Kaz's bullshit took me over an hour, I think. Give me (You)s or something idk

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Looks like old squider locked his profile down

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently so, yeah. Here's an archive in the meantime.
                http://web.archive.org/web/20220624035426/https://twitter.com/squiderdoodle/status/1540132367725199366

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Also splicing Kaz's bullshit took me over an hour, I think. Give me (You)s or something idk
                Thanks.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I always got the vibe that the blonde was a b***h, a wannabe high school mean girl that didn't make the cut. Good to know I was right if this is coming out about her

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I guess you can say that Vivzie is a helluva boss

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Goddammit why did that make me laugh

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      God damn it, this made me laugh so loud; I fricking love this board.

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1, 5, and 7 are the cutest.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >show is called Helluva Boss
    >is run by a hell of a boss
    pottery

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      oh frick off, you

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What other interpretations are there?

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We lack any context or evidence to give a proper analysis. This is pure "he said, she said" (or "she said, she said"), with no way of confirming the claims. Perhaps Vivziepop is satan incarnate. Perhaps she was reasonable but flawed. Perhaps Erin Frost is the one that's satan incarnate. We have no way to confirm any of it. This is a silly gossip thread.

    Stop being frumpy housewives, Cinemaphile.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >We lack any context or evidence to give a proper analysis. This is pure "he said, she said"
      Once there are several corroborating testimonies, it actually isn't any more. The accusations become more substantial.

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it that Vivziepop is constantly embroiled in some kind of drama or controversy?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She's was a deviantart/tumblr girl what else

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Of course, there are people that have come forward to defend Vivzie. One of those being Sam Haft, the musical producer for Helluva Boss, who was rather dismissive towards the various claims that have come forward lately.
    https://twitter.com/SamHaft/status/1540149361690025984
    >ultimately the only people who know what’s real is the @SpindleHorse animation team, but I can tell you that depictions of Viv as some kind of cunning greedy manipulator are HILARIOUS. she’s got the demeanor of a literal baby lamb, and repeatedly lets shit slide that I’d *never.*
    >she’s been a cash cow for all the talent she’s worked with, and I’ve seen those ppl turn cruel and dishonest the *instant* they’re worried they won’t be able to milk anything else out of her. if that’s what this is or isn’t, I couldn’t tell you! but it wouldn’t be the first time.
    >Anyway as a big time advocate of labor power, here are some things that are *not* actually signs of an abusive workplace: 1) being fired when you’re not doing a good job 2) some people at the job having pre-existing friendships 3) not getting an explanation why you weren’t hired
    >And here are versions of these things that *are* labor abuse: 1) being fired for no reason 2) favoritism based on race, sexuality, or gender 3) not being hired due to disability or identity
    >Keep an eye out for that and protect your fellow workers! It didn’t happen here tho!
    >Anyway it’s just a bummer that several ppl would breach NDAs to pull back the curtain and reveal… super normal / mundane work experiences!
    >I think lots of ppl romanticize working on their fave show and becoming besties with its creator, and are devastated when it doesn’t occur.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The VAs for Vaggie and Sallie May defended Viv too

      So is vivziepop a b***h to her workers or not?

      The thing is, with shitty people, they can have a mask on for some favorites but act like shit to others when no one is watching. The VAs are definitely in her good circle but some of the animators may have been treated as less than based on hierarchy. I've known people that put up a front in public yet take the mask off privately, which causes a disconnect and makes the people treated well confused and defensive. "How could that be? They treated me well" but you weren't their target to begin with.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This exact phenomenon occurs with nuclearmime, so I sympathize for those poor animators.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Voice actress Monica Franco, who voiced Vaggie in the Hazbin Hotel pilot, quote retweeted Sam's thoughts and had this to say.
      https://twitter.com/L0Litsmonica/status/1540170975718690817
      >Not sure what's happening but:
      >Viv is INCREDIBLE, hard working, and one of the sweetest, generous and most kind-hearted people I know. She cares about her friends and staff like you wouldn't fricking believe.
      >And If you think any differently, let's get into an actual fist fight
      >AND I MEAN A *FIST FIGHT*

      Mauricio Gomez, an animator for Helluva Boss, similarly quote retweeted.
      https://twitter.com/AnimatedMau/status/1540158116985192455
      >No one is forced to overwork, we literally get to choose how much seconds we want to animate, everyone in SpindleHorse has been super nice to me, including vivz

      @DaniDraws666 has also quote retweeted, approvingly pointing towards Sam's post with an emoji.
      https://twitter.com/DaniDraws666/status/1540149930215587841

      Morgana Ignis, voice actress for Helluva Boss' Sally May, has also commented on the situation.
      https://twitter.com/IgnisTwote/status/1540103027243114496
      >Really wish I could upgrade everyone’s online bullshit radar [eye roll emoji]
      https://twitter.com/IgnisTwote/status/1540150497750880256 (in reply to Sam)
      >Vouch. I’ve been working professionally in the industry for a decade now for dozens and dozens of producers and nobody has cared more about and worked harder in the trenches with her crew than Viv. Period.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        However, these claims don't necessarily discredit the statements from others mentioned here, as the narrative in each implies that Viv very much has favorites in regards to who she works with. Seeing that these people would likely be their "favorites", it only makes sense that they would be absolutely clueless in regards to the treatments of other members of SpindleHorse, as nothing would be wrong from their perspective.

        Someone quote retweeted Sam acknowledging this, which lead to some... interesting responses. Here's the current conversation between Sam Haft and @darknights111.
        https://twitter.com/darknights111/status/1540158864926056453
        >no offense but "I, personally, have had a pleasant time" probably isn't useful in determining the accuracy of allegations of favoritism and targeted abuse.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not everyone is going to have a great experience with everyone in the damn world, so this doesn't really matter in a sense, other than someone had to gripe about Vivienne. It's not like she was Harvey Weinstein and molested/raped her employees and co-workers.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      However, these claims don't necessarily discredit the statements from others mentioned here, as the narrative in each implies that Viv very much has favorites in regards to who she works with. Seeing that these people would likely be their "favorites", it only makes sense that they would be absolutely clueless in regards to the treatments of other members of SpindleHorse, as nothing would be wrong from their perspective.

      Someone quote retweeted Sam acknowledging this, which lead to some... interesting responses. Here's the current conversation between Sam Haft and @darknights111.
      https://twitter.com/darknights111/status/1540158864926056453
      >no offense but "I, personally, have had a pleasant time" probably isn't useful in determining the accuracy of allegations of favoritism and targeted abuse.

      >haha! aren't these accusations just silly!! teehee!!!!
      >such a bummer that so many NAUGHTY people went and BREACHED their NDAs so that they can communicate about their unpleasant experiences working with spindlehorse!
      the way sam talks about this is... not necessarily changing my mind.

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So is vivziepop a b***h to her workers or not?

  66. 2 years ago
    guy

    More like a Chad who makes the jealous people line up, whether they work for her or not.
    Her work is above the industry besides a small minority, it really makes the seethe come out eventually. They already tried to cancel her before she got established, started claiming her work they fought against, and now we're back to something similar. Sad!

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >viv is bi
    >sam came out as gay
    Alright, you think they're fricking? They already got matching tattoos

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >one of viv's favorite movies is sausage party
    >movie infamous for mistreating its workers and getting away with it

    hmm... curious...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >movie infamous for mistreating its workers and getting away with it
      QRD? seth rogen i suppose?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not Seth Rogan, another company

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >fricked my mental health
    >I’m honestly touched
    >just such a toxic experience
    >creative labor
    >unreasonably tight deadlines
    With these terms you can tell this person is making a mountain out of a mole hill, in not just outright fabricating some event. If they were genuinely distressed, they would speak like a regular human being and wouldn't use these disingenuous terms.
    I bet Vivzie made some small comment about their slow, lazy work output and this person brooded on that for years without showing it.

  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Tweeter sisters, I'm feeling bloodthirsty again...

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What a shitshow

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I thought this thread was gonna be funny but it's kinda homosexual

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lol who cares

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but when is Viv gonna gain more weight? She should be bigger and softer
    Just the thought of being able to feel her large, soft, doughy body, or listen when her scale says "400 pounds" is so intoxicating to me, bros

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You need Jesus

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nah I need big fat women
        Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Based Architect

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What's the matter?

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Somewhat

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