Wait, why is everyone saying that he's a bad guy now? Have I watched a different movie?

Wait, why is everyone saying that he's a bad guy now? Have I watched a different movie? How does taking revange for killing your father and your people make him a bad guy?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one is saying that he's a bad guy, yet. Read the books.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He exploited the native culture of Arrakis for his own vendetta, started a jihad that will lead to the deaths of 60 billion people, and set the galaxy on a path of stagnation and decay that will eventually cause the extinction of the Fremen.

      >how is this dictator that genocides billions a bad guy?

      Paul wasn't doing anything to save humanity, seeing that the Jihad isn't the worst possible future for humanity doesn't mean the Jihad is actively preventing that future from coming to pass, if anything it only made it more inevitable

      [...]
      Leto II's reign was relatively peacefully because he stamped the boot down hard and fast. Yes, it created a stagnant world where people had their freedom of movement stolen and their wills ground to dust, but it's explicitly stated that the Fish Speakers kept the peace and the basic needs of people were mostly met.

      I've seen Dune twice and Dune Two once, none of this happens. Frick off

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the books don't exist
        zoomerbrain

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Still the books tell that the fremen would have jihad anyway without Paul, even do way worse than killing 60billions of people, moron

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    He exploited the native culture of Arrakis for his own vendetta, started a jihad that will lead to the deaths of 60 billion people, and set the galaxy on a path of stagnation and decay that will eventually cause the extinction of the Fremen.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >how is this dictator that genocides billions a bad guy?

      he killed billions to save trillions

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        His son will kill even more to save humanity from extinction.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          And that's a good thing.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Paul wasn't doing anything to save humanity, seeing that the Jihad isn't the worst possible future for humanity doesn't mean the Jihad is actively preventing that future from coming to pass, if anything it only made it more inevitable

        His son will kill even more to save humanity from extinction.

        Leto II's reign was relatively peacefully because he stamped the boot down hard and fast. Yes, it created a stagnant world where people had their freedom of movement stolen and their wills ground to dust, but it's explicitly stated that the Fish Speakers kept the peace and the basic needs of people were mostly met.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why were they called fish speakers, bros? Is it a vegana reference?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're confusing him with Leto II. Paul literally did it all for revenge. He has a moment where he sees two future before him, one which "digusts him" and another where he HItlermaxxes and holocausts a considerable part of humanity. If the sequels are valid ways of inteprepating that dilemma, he actively picks the path where he doesn't become a giant manworm god.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also because Leto II is immune to Paul's ability to see the future, Paul doesn't go forth with his revenge plans knowing that someone eventually will decide to walk the golden path or one where the jihad is needed for it to happen. The jihad is completely for his own benefit to avoid the worm god path while also getting him revenge.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            god those costumes were so bad

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So? yolo

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also, doesn't have the balls to give up his own personal humanity to save the entire human race so he just makes his son do it

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the step after that where he goes a little too far

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how is this dictator that genocides billions a bad guy?

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There isn't a moral judgement in Dune. He's a steelman presented by a libertarian.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because his awe inspiring and heroic actions give the goys bad ideas mmkaay now shut up goy and let your son be fricked by men

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    always was
    Read the books

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Read the books
      herbert got assmad becuase people liked paul he wrote messiah. What a homosexual maybe dont make the villains for the story cartoon villains who deserve to get genocided. I still feel like hes trolling us.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    He cucked his mystery-meat slampig. Think of the BIPOC woman, OP.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >responsible for billions of people dying
    >good guy
    I wonder how far they will go with these movies

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He exploited the native culture of Arrakis for his own vendetta, started a jihad that will lead to the deaths of 60 billion people, and set the galaxy on a path of stagnation and decay that will eventually cause the extinction of the Fremen.

      >responsible for billions of people dying

      >The Quitatz made me do it!
      Do Fremen really?

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Killed his pop pop

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder Dany's entire arc is just Paul.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did you not see the ending of part 2 when he said to send all the opposing houses to paradise?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      he gave them a choice - other houses could accept him as an emperor

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They chose, poorly.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    He explicitly says in the movie:
    >if I do x and get my revenge, billions will die all over the galaxy
    Then does it anyway

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The alternative is to get raped by the harkonnen. Not much of a choice.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paul becoming the emperor at the end of Dune was always stupid even in the books.
    He should have just retaken control of Arrakis after killing the Baron.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then the next guy would do the same to him.

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