That was only because Marvel had to get rid of him because of polemics.
Take the Punisher who was about to blow up the Joker's head, who made that psycho to feel real terror, and Castle will definitely make Waller feel real Hell before being sent to the actual place.
>That was only because Marvel had to get rid of him because of polemics.
And those polemics show no signs of stopping. Waller would dominate Frank Castle, and he would probably be the first one to die on the new Task Force X because his skillset is redundant and inferior to Deadshot's.
You mean the guy who killed zero relevant villains and the few Z-listers he killed already came back to life? This one? The one who allowed Captain America spank him like a b***h while he called him daddy?
Even if Waller and Constantine end up coming back to life, as most big hitters in comics do, it would be satisfying to see them root in Hell for some time by the hand of Punisher.
Besides, may I remind that, in the main realities, nobody stays dead for long. Bu alternative realities prove how dangerous a person can be. And there's a world out there where Punisher, literally, killed the whole Marvel Universe. How is that for a joke?
Like I said, in the main continuities, nobody stay dead forever (although they can be out of commission for a time). Bu in alternative realities, where there's no restrictions, you can see the full potential of characters. And in one of them, Castle killed the whole Marvel Universe.
Punisher kills Marvel is dumb though. I like Frank but there's no way Wolverine died after getting shoved into a power line or whatever not to mention others he should have zero chance against, like Dormammu whom he somehow killed off screen.
X kills the universe has the opposite problem where X is predetermined to kill everyone so you're stuck making up reasons for that so instead of actual potential it's wanking when it's some street level guy.
Self contained mini series are where it's at since you can do whatever you want and are not forced to have your guy punch above his class and win.
This one's Trigon, Raven's dad. He's one of DC's many, MANY Satan-analogues. He could kill Waller easier than I can fart, but the Wallerwank is off the charts.
No, what makes this so bad is that Trigon was literally never a Satan analogue. Azar and Trigon was sci-fi Zoroastrianism. If anything Trigon was Ahriman.
Now they're working him into DC's shit-tier Dante styled Hellscape.
>Waller versus fricking TRIGON
She's a government hardass who may have been a field agent at one point and has your balls in a vice because she's the shadow government and works for the country
SHE CANNOT BLUFF AGAINST FRICKING TRIGON
Or any threat on his scale, like Darkseid or a Monitor. Fricking christ
It wasn't clear. It was the Devil manifesting through an AI, I think. It came out like 20 years ago I don't remember the specifics. Warren Ellis' JLA Classified run.
For a more recent example didn't Bruce and Dick beat Nezha? Then didn't Bruce and Damian do it too?
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oh god knows last i checked jason todd was a warrior working with azreals group using dark blood magic to fight demons or some fricknig shit.
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>It was the Devil manifesting through an AI,
It was the opposite and we all know you used google for this and the nezha example which isn’t even remotely analogous to trigon
Not really. Trigon's been downgraded to generic demon tier since he was brought back by Judd Winnick in the late 00s Titans series (after only appearing like three times in the classic series, in NTT v1 #5-6, NTT v2 #1-6, and in New Titans #130).
Trigon got nerfed because no one wants to deal with having to explain how he fits into DC Cosmology let alone have a character who, as originally conceived by Marv Wolfman, is Darkseid and the Monitor shit their pants.
Gunn wants her as an overarching presence in his movies, even keeping the same actress from the previous Suicide Squad movies. That way the comics are going to wank her harder for synergy l
She was probably just bluffing if anything. She's cornered by Satan squared. I mean she has access to some powerful people but nothing that could touch Trigon. Her only play besides pleading was to bluff.
It's been happening ever since Ostrander ended his Suicide Squad run and other writers got their grubby hands on the character. It's only gotten bad enough to bother people recently when she started taking center stage in all these crappy events.
Ostrander's run finished in the 90s. Rucka used her well in his Checkmate relaunch in the mid 00s. She didn't start to go to shit till Willingham and Salvation Run, and didn't go full garbage villain character till after Flashpoint.
I liked Checkmate too, but even then Rucka was starting to push just how far her bullshitting could take/protect her, and the notion that she could actually hold her own in a fight against an opponent who doesn't have their back turned to her.
>and the notion that she could actually hold her own in a fight against an opponent who doesn't have their back turned to her.
She beat up blue beetle in ostrander's run
She's such a mustache twirling villain now it's hilarious
I’m not even concerned about the wank, more her morals as of late. Waller was cold, ruthless, sure, but it was always driven by her code of ethics looking out for the common man. The dirty government operative doing shit behind the scenes while the American public goes on in peace/ignorance
shes batman but she works for the government. she might very well have contingencies for everyone. or shes bluffing. kind of kino either way unless OP has more evidence
Man these are pretty boring, why do they never have the stronger dude at least grab them by the head? Bluff isn't that impressive if it's just words without anything accompanying it
her hole thing is acting like shes untouchable and usually people leave her alone, like constantine.
Both Waller and Constatine should have an encounter with Marvel's Punisher, then we would see how untouchable they really are.
Cool fantasy, self-insert anon. Take your meds now please.
the gun would probably jam if he shot at constantine.
Maybe, but I would truly love to see Castle doing something like what he did to Ma Gnucci.
Imagine if DC's Spectre chooses Castle as his host.
Didn’t he get cucked and sent to fairyland after swearing off being the Punisher? Seems like Waller would make him her b***h.
That was only because Marvel had to get rid of him because of polemics.
Take the Punisher who was about to blow up the Joker's head, who made that psycho to feel real terror, and Castle will definitely make Waller feel real Hell before being sent to the actual place.
so what you want is punisherwank.
but punisher got cancelled
What I'm saying, is that as much as other heroes don't like someone like Punisher, it's obvious he's needed.
Frank Castle was taken off the board, but there's a new guy who is following his steps as the new Punisher.
Also, I'm pretty sure Castle will end up returning in comics. No status quo (good or bad) is ever permanent in comics.
>That was only because Marvel had to get rid of him because of polemics.
And those polemics show no signs of stopping. Waller would dominate Frank Castle, and he would probably be the first one to die on the new Task Force X because his skillset is redundant and inferior to Deadshot's.
You mean the guy who killed zero relevant villains and the few Z-listers he killed already came back to life? This one? The one who allowed Captain America spank him like a b***h while he called him daddy?
Even if Waller and Constantine end up coming back to life, as most big hitters in comics do, it would be satisfying to see them root in Hell for some time by the hand of Punisher.
Besides, may I remind that, in the main realities, nobody stays dead for long. Bu alternative realities prove how dangerous a person can be. And there's a world out there where Punisher, literally, killed the whole Marvel Universe. How is that for a joke?
damn, you didn't neet to punch the kid this hard
He didn't, actually.
Like I said, in the main continuities, nobody stay dead forever (although they can be out of commission for a time). Bu in alternative realities, where there's no restrictions, you can see the full potential of characters. And in one of them, Castle killed the whole Marvel Universe.
>alternate realities are more real than fake mainline ones because my favorite character gets to do my favorite things
Lol
Punisher kills Marvel is dumb though. I like Frank but there's no way Wolverine died after getting shoved into a power line or whatever not to mention others he should have zero chance against, like Dormammu whom he somehow killed off screen.
X kills the universe has the opposite problem where X is predetermined to kill everyone so you're stuck making up reasons for that so instead of actual potential it's wanking when it's some street level guy.
Self contained mini series are where it's at since you can do whatever you want and are not forced to have your guy punch above his class and win.
Punisher works when Ennis is in full control.
>The Jobisher
DC wanted their own Nick Fury after Samuel L. Jackson pretty much took the whole character for himself.
doesn't that guy stop time or I'm thinking of another four eyed red demon?
This one's Trigon, Raven's dad. He's one of DC's many, MANY Satan-analogues. He could kill Waller easier than I can fart, but the Wallerwank is off the charts.
No, what makes this so bad is that Trigon was literally never a Satan analogue. Azar and Trigon was sci-fi Zoroastrianism. If anything Trigon was Ahriman.
Now they're working him into DC's shit-tier Dante styled Hellscape.
>Waller versus fricking TRIGON
She's a government hardass who may have been a field agent at one point and has your balls in a vice because she's the shadow government and works for the country
SHE CANNOT BLUFF AGAINST FRICKING TRIGON
Or any threat on his scale, like Darkseid or a Monitor. Fricking christ
Batman and Nightwing have beaten Trigon types before.
No, they haven’t. Trigon is completely broken when it comes to powerlevels.
Yeah, the only one who was ever truly close to his power was Darkseid. I would have loved to see that battle to the very end.
Batman beat the Devil in JLA Classified.
which one?
lucifer or the first?
It wasn't clear. It was the Devil manifesting through an AI, I think. It came out like 20 years ago I don't remember the specifics. Warren Ellis' JLA Classified run.
For a more recent example didn't Bruce and Dick beat Nezha? Then didn't Bruce and Damian do it too?
oh god knows last i checked jason todd was a warrior working with azreals group using dark blood magic to fight demons or some fricknig shit.
>It was the Devil manifesting through an AI,
It was the opposite and we all know you used google for this and the nezha example which isn’t even remotely analogous to trigon
No, the justice league did. And that wasn’t the devil
Again Bizzaro made him his punching bag. DC will have Harley beat up Lucier Morningstar if they wish.
See:
Not really. Trigon's been downgraded to generic demon tier since he was brought back by Judd Winnick in the late 00s Titans series (after only appearing like three times in the classic series, in NTT v1 #5-6, NTT v2 #1-6, and in New Titans #130).
Trigon got nerfed because no one wants to deal with having to explain how he fits into DC Cosmology let alone have a character who, as originally conceived by Marv Wolfman, is Darkseid and the Monitor shit their pants.
With kooky space technology and help from their super powered friends, not political clout and diabetes.
>SHE CANNOT BLUFF AGAINST FRICKING TRIGON
Why not?
all comic characters that attract a fanbase end up getting wanked
she doesn't have a fanbase but they are trying to push her as DC's Nick Fury
People liked her in JLU but come on.
Nick Fury has his issues, but he's not (*censored*) (*censored*) (*censored*) piece of (*censored*) (*censored*) like Waller.
calm down anon, they are just drawings, they can't hurt you, yet.
Gunn wants her as an overarching presence in his movies, even keeping the same actress from the previous Suicide Squad movies. That way the comics are going to wank her harder for synergy l
>That way the comics are going to wank her harder for synergy l
Oh shit, Waller had anon killed!
Waller wank? Dude Waller wank would Taylor writing her as a morally justifiable pragmatic. This is just character assignation.
Casual people know who she is.
Didn't Bizarro kill him?
Lobdell was shit, Anon. Nobody cares.
so who should kill waller when this is all over. my money is on boomer
just leave her in japanese open sea and they will hunt her down
She was probably just bluffing if anything. She's cornered by Satan squared. I mean she has access to some powerful people but nothing that could touch Trigon. Her only play besides pleading was to bluff.
Sure, but is Trigon the sort of character that wouldn't call the bluff of a normal human being?
It's been happening ever since Ostrander ended his Suicide Squad run and other writers got their grubby hands on the character. It's only gotten bad enough to bother people recently when she started taking center stage in all these crappy events.
Ostrander's run finished in the 90s. Rucka used her well in his Checkmate relaunch in the mid 00s. She didn't start to go to shit till Willingham and Salvation Run, and didn't go full garbage villain character till after Flashpoint.
I liked Checkmate too, but even then Rucka was starting to push just how far her bullshitting could take/protect her, and the notion that she could actually hold her own in a fight against an opponent who doesn't have their back turned to her.
>and the notion that she could actually hold her own in a fight against an opponent who doesn't have their back turned to her.
She beat up blue beetle in ostrander's run
who cares
>This is getting stupid. What made them wank her this hard?
I think it is rather obvious. I'm not even racist, but you know why. Demographics. Target Audiences. Money.
>I'm not even racist but they're wanking Waller for the blacks
But they've been wanking her for decades dumbfrick
>Expecting outrage farmers to know anything that happened before 2016 at the earliest
Come on now.
looks like Despero in the thumbnail
You want the real answer?
She's a batman-connected character
Every street level plain human character in Batman gets wanked to high hell.
I think DC forgot Waller isn’t a supervillain
She is now.
I’m not even concerned about the wank, more her morals as of late. Waller was cold, ruthless, sure, but it was always driven by her code of ethics looking out for the common man. The dirty government operative doing shit behind the scenes while the American public goes on in peace/ignorance
This “all metas need to go” is dumb and futile
That’s still her motivation.
She's such a mustache twirling villain now it's hilarious
shes batman but she works for the government. she might very well have contingencies for everyone. or shes bluffing. kind of kino either way unless OP has more evidence
Man these are pretty boring, why do they never have the stronger dude at least grab them by the head? Bluff isn't that impressive if it's just words without anything accompanying it