Was he right? Is Star Wars an extremely limited universe?

Was he right?

Is Star Wars an extremely limited universe?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, but you have too look outside of the movies where every possible cliche that could be used was used

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >oops we retconned it

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but for the wrong reasons. Star Wars only works because George Lucas was an extremely knowledgeable artist creating genuine art. That's why when anyone else tries to do something with the setting it results in trash. It's because they fundamentally misunderstood Star Wars.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Source?
      >A youtuber of course

      /facepalm

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      true very true
      I just wish lucas knew how to put is foot down.
      Sadly the star wars universe does't make sense the harder you try to make sense of it.
      jedis,force,empire,rebel,science none of makes sense when examining the universe of star wars

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That guy's entire channel boils down to "George Lucas uses the vehicle of Star Wars to generate a series of homages to scenes George watched as a kid. Therefore, George is a genius- because he's copied film shots and modified iconic film lines from the 1940's and 1950's for modern audiences."

      Basically, his entire argument boils down to George Lucas has nothing original to say, he only remakes scenes and uses lines from other people's work in a whacky Sci Fi universe made to sell toys- and this makes him a super genius. His video about RLM and Stuckmann and other reviewers is correct, but on everything else he's a fricking moron.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If he's such an auteur, then why did he screw up the prequels so much?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because all his peers who checked his work anytime he was doing something too moronic left and got replaced by yes men.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Darth Insanius is one of those names that if the game was good it wouldn't be criticized and if the game was shit then it'd be memed to death.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because all his peers who checked his work anytime he was doing something too moronic left and got replaced by yes men.

            They should have followed the pattern of InVader and InSidious and called him Darth Sanius.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >George Lucas was an extremely knowledgeable artist creating genuine art

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    please keep star wars discussion to your containment thread

    [...]

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just call it a general thread you chode. Fricking jannies and their love for trek.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick off trekBlack person

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he loved solo
    he loved mando
    he like last jedi
    he like rise of skywalker

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Solo was great

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The main guy seems like a charisma void from the trailers. How is he in the movie?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He was okay. Movie was fun at least and was the best thing Disney was able to accomplish. Didn't overstay its welcome. Would've watched a sequel tho. Better than Rogue One.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hm, I'll give it a go.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I won't lie to you there's some stupid shit in it but most of that shit is ancillary. Plus they lampoon libtards in it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He's... passable, I guess. Definitely nowhere near OT Harrison Ford's charisma, but not painful to watch either.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Never take the opinions of these apathetic defeatists seriously

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    don't know, never watched it

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It is if we talk about how Disney has handled it. Lucas was smart enough to realize that the first three films needed a distinct feel from the originals, even though they all look kinda shit every place the characters go to is unique. There's the city planet, the water planet, the jungle planet, and the red bug desert planet. On that latter point geonosis is kind of a lame stand-in for tatooine, but Dooku's performance sells it as the whole area feels inhuman and unsafe.

    If Disney was smart, the sequel trilogy would have been on three different planets which would have stopped the plot from sprawling out and forced a larger focus on the characters. I don't think anyone knows or cares about dantooine but they could have shot it cheaply in Colorado and have it be the same story of someone irrelevant becoming meaningful. Which would have been a carbon copy of Luke's and Anakin's stories but the change in atmosphere/sets would have tricked the audience. And this would have permitted them to do the 9th film in an evil nazi planet where it's just nu-wolfenstien and hurr durr orange man bad etc (but done well and in a way that's at least interesting to watch).

    What fails is the execution. A good production staff could have done something that wasn't boring, convoluted or just plain messy. Especially with the transition from Ryan to JJ, there's no cohesive plot and nothing makes sense so good ideas aren't built on and everything feels useless. Which it is because ultimately it's just a paid, disposable product.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They shit on starwars because they are trek nerds. Which is just as shitty.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mike thinks Empire Strikes Back is one of the greatest movies ever. Ghostbusters, Empire, Tremors and Rocketeer.
      When they talked about the Rocketeer they thought it was perfect aside from the cleavage

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I want Kreia to stick her stump up my ass and call me a fool for giving a coin to a hobo

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. Mandalorian disproves it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What? The main character is a bounty hunder who is basically like Boba Fett except his armor looks different and he's protecting a kid who is literally just a baby version of Yoda. The villain is empire shits again and they go to tattooine even though its a completely backwaters planet.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I loved the part where Bobba Fett showed up and we all got up and clapped.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      mandalorian unironically proved his point
      everything is just deviantart tier oc characters

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Considering the last three shows have had Tatooine, and previous characters being shoe-horned it, it's easy to see it that way.

    The first season of Mando was pretty entertaining, because it felt very simple, just a Mandalorian bounty hunter and his companion doing odd jobs.

    Then Disney saw it was the underdog compared to the shit trilogy, and hijacked it for all 12 spin offs that will be coming out in 2 months intervals.

    So at the moment, yes it is, but that's just because Disney are corporate hacks who don't want to take risks or innovate.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Then Disney saw it was the underdog compared to the shit trilogy, and hijacked it for all 12 spin offs that will be coming out in 2 months intervals.
      Nah, Filoni and Favreau wanted to build their own Star Wars shared universe.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Other then Luke, most of the pre-existing characters they put into Mandalorian were all Mandalorian or adjacent to Mandalore stories, which makes sense with the show being a normie introduction to Mandos and Mando lore.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Mando lore
        no such thing. its been retconned so many times its nothing but goo at this point

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Depends. It is extremely limited by all of its technology being hand-wave magic without even an attempt on setting up some kind limit on what is and isn't technologically possible, how expensive it is to push certain limits technologically versus others and of system of possible logistics that supports the rest of it it is hard to create any interesting narratives that are a result of the social pressures and conditions that these factors will shape.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rich and Mike are Trekkies and Trekkies have always been mad that Star Wars was more popular.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >shits on Star Wars for being "held together by ESB"
    >ignores that Star Trek is held together by TNG

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      tos is better than tng though

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, he has a raging hate boner for the prequel trilogy despite it expanding on the universe and being the best trilogy overall.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Expanding the universe
      >When the entire story revolves around people from the OT and happens on planets that we saw or that were mentioned in the OT.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >When the entire story revolves around people from the OT and happens on planets that we saw or that were mentioned in the OT.
        Yes but there is a lot more to the movies than just those things. It's a prequel story so of course it will revolve around some of the same characters but they introduce a ton of new ones, new locations, new tech, etc. etc.

  16. 2 years ago
    MentalCrash

    The Mandalorian showed it isn't, but they instantly fricked it up by making it all about the jedi again.

    And even the force could be interesting if they approached it like in KOTOR II, but Disney isn't smart enough to think long term, even if their soijak fans stop buying their product they won't bother innovating.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They just pump out content based on recent demographics, which are probably generated through social media activity. This means the core process of making films is dictated by twitter and reddit which is mostly bot farms. They cater to a demographic that does not exist.

      • 2 years ago
        MentalCrash

        I know, and you'd think they'd be able to see that already, but for whatever reason all big corpos don't understand Twitter doesn't equal sales, they look at numbers in a way that makes it seem like they don't know what's a human.

        Mandalorian would have been better if it never involved the Empire in any way imo (at least S1, never watched anything beyond that)

        Baby Yoda may have worked as a nice lil' extra if it had stuck to the Wolf and Cub formula maybe with a Cowboy Bebop style episodic stories and as you say not involve the empire, season 2 adds in more things about the force and familiar faces once again, I think it's better than season 1, but it dooms the series to keep on going with the same tired formula of the force being the center point of everything.
        Rich is completely right about the force and space magic being boring because it excuses away everything, if only they went the route of KOTOR II it could actually make for a good story by showing how monstruous the idea of fate and cycles actually is in that universe.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Mandalorian would have been better if it never involved the Empire in any way imo (at least S1, never watched anything beyond that)

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The way things have been handled so far, kind of.
    >Thousands of different worlds, but we only see a small handful or places that are practically indistinguishable from the well-known ones
    >Everything connects to the same handful of characters in some way
    It all serves to make the universe seem kind of shallow and limited.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You could literally tell any kind of story in Star Wars. There is nothing technically off limits and there's all kinds of stories out there. That doesn't mean Disney will greenlight everything. Even Obi-Wan's old writer said he used biblical references and the new writer just made a surface level israelite during WW2 tier parallels. I would unironically pay to watch Obi-wan sitting in the desert dealing with his exile and his desperation for guidance from Qui-Gon over a really bad Fugitive tier action show where there's chases and fighting in every episodes. But they're selling it to kids and the chinese so it has to have blunt and explanatory dialogue with scenes to make sure the audience doesn't get bored.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So chinks really hate everything that isn't just fast paced dopamine rushes?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly I'm still mad those morons didn't just make it a spaghetti western, when that's so obviously what you should do with that story.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I would unironically pay to watch Obi-wan sitting in the desert dealing with his exile and his desperation for guidance from Qui-Gon over a really bad Fugitive tier action show where there's chases and fighting in every episodes.
        That's literally what John Jackson Miller's novel "Kenobi" was about. Plus some cool space western stuff.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You could have ANYTHING going on in the unknown regions.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kind of, I suppose. The old extended universe had a lot of good stuff in it that weren't just rehashes of the old movies but at the same time it was that same extended universe that gave us Top 10 Facts about Darth Vader's Armor

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    you can set any wwii or western movie in the star wars universe and it works because thats what star wars is. that may still be technically limited depending on how you look at if but in pure terms of how many movies and show you can make from it that are "original stories/characters" there are plenty for years and years and years

    its just that its controlled by dumb israelite Black person women so that sort of stuff doesnt happen

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think he has any reason to think otherwise. A lot of people, me included, think of it as an expansive world because Star Wars is made up of so many component parts and if you were to break that down and venture into each part separately then that's a massive array of stories you can tell. If you venture into the depth of the old EU you can find stuff as weird as spy fiction but everything put in front of the actual audience is just calling back to old Star Wars movies.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      See that's still something to give him shit over. He makes a shit no research opinion and assumes it's right no questions. You never encourage moronic shit like that. Star wars excels as a concept but people only give a shit about jedi/sith and mandolorians. Oddly bad batch while being eh still was alot more interesting then the boba fett show because it showed more of the actual underworld/non force going on are my favorite parts personally

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It is limited because the ones who own it can't see anything beyond Jedis, Dart Vader and everything made in the past, they don't understand that the Skywalker story arc had a definitive end.
    They could create different stories in the SW universe just like Lucas did with the Endor movies but that is way too risky.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Despite having an entire galaxy to work with, Star Wars really struggles to do anything new. Its always the same 2 families and a handful of their friends, on the same couple planets, running through the same 3 plots on repeat.

    The Disney+ shows are moving in the right direction, but the more time goes on the more they inevitably get pulled in by the orbit of the same shit mentioned above.

    Give me 4 seasons of a show where no one so much as mentions a skywalker, a Jedi, Tatooine, or the death star. Not everything needs to be about one or more of those things. Go literally anywhere else in the galaxy and do literally anything else.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Rian trilogy was supposed to be set in an unexplored part of the galaxy but then everyoned b***hed about him

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Rian never got a trilogy, so thats irrelevant. I'm sure lots of cool and original Star Wars stuff gets suggested, but it doesn't matter if it never makes it past a room of executives and never gets made.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it is quite amazing how despite having both space and magic they have so few ideas on what to make

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but it isn't the artists' fault. Rian Johnson made a casino planet, lightspeed kamikaze and astral projection; the fans raged.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >lightspeed kamikaze
      Yeah but that's moronic why wouldn't the rebels constantly be setting ships on auto pilot to kamikaze into huge flagships?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because the capital ones could just move away? Also that doesn't sound like the battle of attrition they could win

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          youre lying to yourself and you know it. not only could they effortlessly destroy deathstars with those dumb attacks, its enough to make entire planets inhospitable

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why didn't German Uboats just suicide bomb Allied capital ships?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              they arent fast enough and a single ramming attack wouldnt even do enough damage to destroy a single ship

              are you being serious? is this how brain addled moronic Black person brained zoomies think?

              i mean the obvious wwii example would be japanese kamikaze attacks you dick sucker. those did work ok but didnt cause nearly as much damage as the star wars equivalent and they also only started doing them at the end of the war after they basically lost. kamikaze was just a guided normal bomb and work better because you had a human to try to steer it into its target.

              if you made it the equivalent of star wars, each kamikaze attack would have the power of a nuclear bomb and that would have won them the war yes

              although it also brings up the question about why the empire doesnt have or use this tech since they have much greater resources and technology. why waste time building planet destroying death starts when you can do the same with a tiny ship?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Meds.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You made the other guy seethe, noice

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You mean like the Supremacy did?
          Oh, wait...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Lightspeed kamikaze was moronic either way you look at it. If it's reliable, then that raises the question of why nobody's thought to make hyperspace torpedoes/drone ships, and if it's a "one-in-a-million shot" it kind of paints Holdo as either a coward who got insanely unlucky or a hypocrite who engaged in the same behavior that she'd previously chewed Poe out for, i.e. betting the survival of the resistance on bad odds.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Lightspeed kamikaze was moronic either way you look at it. If it's reliable, then that raises the question of why nobody's thought to make hyperspace torpedoes/drone ships,
        I was thinking about this when I was 8 years old. The fact that some people can't even understand the issue is crazy.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          its just a common issue with sci-fi that everyone should know about and know why you dont want to introduce it in the story. just like time travel. its a fricking mess and cant be contained plot wise once you unleash it

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No. The New Jedi Order series alone proves this, with the worst entries of the 19 book story still better than anything Disney's made. And it's probably the worst major series of the old EU.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >And it's probably the worst major series of the old EU.
      Dude, do you have any idea what came after NJO? LotF series was TLJ of its time. If not the overall Disney Trilogy of its time.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars is limited, because they’re not hiring creative people. They’re hiring a bunch of yes-men or SJW morons who don’t know how to write/direct.
    They could introduce new planets, new species, new characters, and new families.
    Because at its core, Star Wars is a film about a dysfunctional family. And once all the main characters are dead, and the writers/directors SUCK and don’t give Rei a family, it becomes a bunch of shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not only are most of the original characters dead, including the ENTIRE Skywalker bloodline, but their name and legacy has also been stolen by an honest-to-god Mary Sue.
      The Empire was never really defeated, it came back under a new name.
      Vader's sacrifice meant basically frick-all, because Creamy Sheev survived and was ruling the Not!Empire from behind the scenes the whole time.
      Luke turned into a cowardly failure who fricked off to drink green milk and wait to die on some backwater planet.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't say the universe is intrinsically limited, but the people who create it are.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He is right.
    Jay challenged him on this saying there lots of things you could do with this universe.
    >"But then it's too smart for star wars"
    which he meant as in people start saying "this doesn't feel like staar wars"
    You can her people saying the force awakens was good because it recaptured what star wars is about.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Considering that it seems like 80% of everything happens on the same goddam desert planet, I think he's right

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, but clearly Disney agrees with him.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny because he wears that hat to feel more secure about his male pattern baldness, but everyone can see right through it clear as day. Just like those of you reading this very reply suffering from the same thing just KNOW everyone around you can see right through your massive insecurity, and it's quite pathetic.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This isn't reddit, buddy. We embrace it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >This isn't reddit, buddy. We embrace it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He's always been Costanza bald though is he really hiding anything

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have a full head of hair and if it ever starts thinning and receding I hope to embrace it gracefully and become the kind of man who fools around with 17 year old girls in his camaro.

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