>homeless >rejected by the only woman he ever loved, who flirts with other men in front of him >dealt with absolute disrespect by everyone, his own creators say 'they never cared about him' >loves animals, especially horses >decide to tag along with Barbie in a life threatening adventure without thinking twice >he's treated with the uttermost disdain >rejected by medical, swimming and art school >returns a transformed cynical man >single-handedly creates a political movement that takes over Barbie Land >Kens and Barbies for once love each other, discuss art, help each other with their problems, play music >give all other Kens a meaning for their lives >one nation, one home, one Ken >attempt to democratically change society >his rejected girlfriend and a small group actively subvert and divide his perfected society, play a textbook example of how a tiny but well-organized minority can infiltritate and overtake the democratic system
Ken was stabbed in the back. Barbie stole the election.
>real world apparently terrible for women >ken asks if being a man is qualification enough to get a job >"No, just the opposite these days" >ken's mojo dojo casa house is wildly successful in the real world >the profit driven ceo still demands this be shut down because it doesn't uplift girls
Unironically, what the FRICK did Gerwig mean by this? The messaging in this movie is so incredibly confusing
I think the message is the movie is not that Ken or men or women are the villains, but the systems in which we live. Patriarchy vs matriarchy are both bad and neither meets everyone’s needs. Ken is just a naive doll that has based his entire personality and self esteem on being liked by Barbie. All the Kens craved that validation from the Barbies where they wanted their attention and admiration to justify their interests or hobbies or existence. When she teaches him that he can be himself and do his own thing irregardless of her involvement, he accepts this and moves on. Then the Barbies start to move from a matriarchal society towards something more equal but not completely equal (reflecting the imbalance of the real world).
>When she teaches him that he can be himself and do his own thing irregardless of her involvement, he accepts this and moves on
This was a deeply stupid moment btw. >Maybe you're not any of the things that make up your life, you're just You. No i have no greater insights into what that means, everybody is just themselves
I've literally read a Korean webnovel with more interesting insights about this. The World After the Fall has a god named Gestalt who found that he could gain power by throwing away aspects of himself, analogized as taking off clothes. He idolized nakedness, and continued to take off more and more clothes, until one day he managed to remove them all, and he disappeared from the world entirely.
I also think the message ends up being something like this, but the movie is almost schizophrenic in my opinion. It treats everything in a lighthearted tone to the point of it being dumb which would make it appear like a kid's movie, and it contrasts with the supposed emotional and serious way some scenes are portrayed, and everything happens suddenly just to show and explicitly tell the message in the last minutes. Is like an episode from an American Sitcom that takes itself seriously at some moments and then gives a moral at the end. With this I am just trying to say that even if the message of the movie was that as part of the audience you feel more connected and interested in the themes and characters who were interesting and dismiss the rest.
The visuals, music and some other aspects were good or even really good, but I just don't get how some people praise this movie when it was just ok with some good moments.
The movie is trapped in trying to appeal to every demographic. It is impressive that a fricking Barbie movie managed to appeal to so many people, but it makes the movie very messy. You can't both be a solid kids move and a solid artsy deconstruction movie. The way it is now is a big compromise.
She doesn't really teach him anything though, it's more like he fails and then at his lowest point, she takes advantage of the moment to tell him she wants nothing to do with him and he needs to live for himself
It's less like someone coming to realize how flawed their relationship was and attempting to cut it off so both parties can lead healthier lives, and more like a woman who was barely tolerant of him finally getting annoyed wnough to cut him off entirely once she had a good enough reason
She didn’t even appear to like him beforehand and he came across as a glorified stalker who admits what he does only matters if Barbie is watching. Even after being denied sleepovers, denied kisses, and told no about coming with her to the real world… He goes against her obvious wishes, interjects himself into her journey of self actualization by force and then tries to forcibly brain wash her into liking him against her own will. He doesn’t even care when this makes her visibly distraught and depressed. He doesn’t even acknowledge her fear in the real world despite her getting slapped almost immediately after their arrival. She never purposely hurt him, she chose not to interact with him, and was punished for it. He’s not owed her attention and yet even after all of this she apologizes to him and gives him advice to guide him into self actualization as well. He doesn’t even apologize to her in the film at all? He ignored every single no until he was forced to accept no. It was a lowest point that he created himself by doubling down on his obsession with Barbie. Look at weird Barbie as a foil - she was ostracized and unwelcome but what did she do? She paved her own way, made her own community and became her own person despite being a freak to other Barbies they openly actually disliked.
They are officially dating at the start of the film, a relationship in which Ken does all of the work. I don't think it's fair to say that she has no responsibilities towards Ken. It's also just hard to sympathize with the Barbies when the worst thing shown about the Kens is that they want to be helpful and share their interests, traits which the Barbies take advantage of by pretending to cheat on them in order to make the Kens fight. Ken is consistently open and honest about what he wants, Barbie is consistently manipulative and dishonest.
Pretty obvious he was the representation of all men in the real world and thus irredeemable. He was based which of course to normies would make him the villain.
>the end game is to rule a system in which people who look like you have all the power, and no one else has any. Rules don't matter, tear down anyone and anything you have to in order to achieve this
Great toy commercial!
Everyone acknowledges and is sympathetic to women's struggles. Ken was the closest thing I've seen in modern media to address real psychological issues many men face when it comes to relationships, sexuality, and rejection. I did not expect that from such a silly looking movie. Ken deep down just wanted affection and attention from the only women he cared about and was denied repeatedly. So instead he decided to aquire respect, power, comradery, property, horses, foot rubs, and brewski beers. Who can blame him?
phone posters should off themselves
I’m not getting on a computer just to post on Cinemaphile you neckbeard homosexual
Maximum Kenergy anon good show.
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Stop posting pictures of yourself pedo sorry map. no one cares.
You know you're doing the wrong thing.
nerds with computers should be the only ones on Cinemaphile
YWNBAW
go away normalgay
>homeless
>rejected by the only woman he ever loved, who flirts with other men in front of him
>dealt with absolute disrespect by everyone, his own creators say 'they never cared about him'
>loves animals, especially horses
>decide to tag along with Barbie in a life threatening adventure without thinking twice
>he's treated with the uttermost disdain
>rejected by medical, swimming and art school
>returns a transformed cynical man
>single-handedly creates a political movement that takes over Barbie Land
>Kens and Barbies for once love each other, discuss art, help each other with their problems, play music
>give all other Kens a meaning for their lives
>one nation, one home, one Ken
>attempt to democratically change society
>his rejected girlfriend and a small group actively subvert and divide his perfected society, play a textbook example of how a tiny but well-organized minority can infiltritate and overtake the democratic system
Ken was stabbed in the back. Barbie stole the election.
Didn’t read
Why are you seething when that’s exactly what happened in the film?
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He’s the victim. The barbies are the villains by their nature
When he looked at the camera and said, "We live in a Barbieland society" I stood up and clapped.
>real world apparently terrible for women
>ken asks if being a man is qualification enough to get a job
>"No, just the opposite these days"
>ken's mojo dojo casa house is wildly successful in the real world
>the profit driven ceo still demands this be shut down because it doesn't uplift girls
Unironically, what the FRICK did Gerwig mean by this? The messaging in this movie is so incredibly confusing
The movie can be enjoyed by non-feminist up until "the speech" scene. It gets harder from there on.
We still get I'm Just Ken after that which helps
Barbie is really just a blackpill movie the more you think about it
I think the message is the movie is not that Ken or men or women are the villains, but the systems in which we live. Patriarchy vs matriarchy are both bad and neither meets everyone’s needs. Ken is just a naive doll that has based his entire personality and self esteem on being liked by Barbie. All the Kens craved that validation from the Barbies where they wanted their attention and admiration to justify their interests or hobbies or existence. When she teaches him that he can be himself and do his own thing irregardless of her involvement, he accepts this and moves on. Then the Barbies start to move from a matriarchal society towards something more equal but not completely equal (reflecting the imbalance of the real world).
>When she teaches him that he can be himself and do his own thing irregardless of her involvement, he accepts this and moves on
This was a deeply stupid moment btw.
>Maybe you're not any of the things that make up your life, you're just You. No i have no greater insights into what that means, everybody is just themselves
I've literally read a Korean webnovel with more interesting insights about this. The World After the Fall has a god named Gestalt who found that he could gain power by throwing away aspects of himself, analogized as taking off clothes. He idolized nakedness, and continued to take off more and more clothes, until one day he managed to remove them all, and he disappeared from the world entirely.
I also think the message ends up being something like this, but the movie is almost schizophrenic in my opinion. It treats everything in a lighthearted tone to the point of it being dumb which would make it appear like a kid's movie, and it contrasts with the supposed emotional and serious way some scenes are portrayed, and everything happens suddenly just to show and explicitly tell the message in the last minutes. Is like an episode from an American Sitcom that takes itself seriously at some moments and then gives a moral at the end. With this I am just trying to say that even if the message of the movie was that as part of the audience you feel more connected and interested in the themes and characters who were interesting and dismiss the rest.
The visuals, music and some other aspects were good or even really good, but I just don't get how some people praise this movie when it was just ok with some good moments.
The movie is trapped in trying to appeal to every demographic. It is impressive that a fricking Barbie movie managed to appeal to so many people, but it makes the movie very messy. You can't both be a solid kids move and a solid artsy deconstruction movie. The way it is now is a big compromise.
She doesn't really teach him anything though, it's more like he fails and then at his lowest point, she takes advantage of the moment to tell him she wants nothing to do with him and he needs to live for himself
It's less like someone coming to realize how flawed their relationship was and attempting to cut it off so both parties can lead healthier lives, and more like a woman who was barely tolerant of him finally getting annoyed wnough to cut him off entirely once she had a good enough reason
She didn’t even appear to like him beforehand and he came across as a glorified stalker who admits what he does only matters if Barbie is watching. Even after being denied sleepovers, denied kisses, and told no about coming with her to the real world… He goes against her obvious wishes, interjects himself into her journey of self actualization by force and then tries to forcibly brain wash her into liking him against her own will. He doesn’t even care when this makes her visibly distraught and depressed. He doesn’t even acknowledge her fear in the real world despite her getting slapped almost immediately after their arrival. She never purposely hurt him, she chose not to interact with him, and was punished for it. He’s not owed her attention and yet even after all of this she apologizes to him and gives him advice to guide him into self actualization as well. He doesn’t even apologize to her in the film at all? He ignored every single no until he was forced to accept no. It was a lowest point that he created himself by doubling down on his obsession with Barbie. Look at weird Barbie as a foil - she was ostracized and unwelcome but what did she do? She paved her own way, made her own community and became her own person despite being a freak to other Barbies they openly actually disliked.
They are officially dating at the start of the film, a relationship in which Ken does all of the work. I don't think it's fair to say that she has no responsibilities towards Ken. It's also just hard to sympathize with the Barbies when the worst thing shown about the Kens is that they want to be helpful and share their interests, traits which the Barbies take advantage of by pretending to cheat on them in order to make the Kens fight. Ken is consistently open and honest about what he wants, Barbie is consistently manipulative and dishonest.
Pretty obvious he was the representation of all men in the real world and thus irredeemable. He was based which of course to normies would make him the villain.
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don't need a reason
The Golden Goose is on the loose
And never out of season
>the end game is to rule a system in which people who look like you have all the power, and no one else has any. Rules don't matter, tear down anyone and anything you have to in order to achieve this
Great toy commercial!
you're supposed to laught at him
or at least that was the director intent i guess
You're supposed to laugh at him and emphasise with him. He is very clearly a victim, not an evil person.
This movie kicked me out of my oneitis syndrome
I am Kenough
this is the first post to make me consider watching the movie
I had a similar reaction.
We're all gonna make it bros
Everyone acknowledges and is sympathetic to women's struggles. Ken was the closest thing I've seen in modern media to address real psychological issues many men face when it comes to relationships, sexuality, and rejection. I did not expect that from such a silly looking movie. Ken deep down just wanted affection and attention from the only women he cared about and was denied repeatedly. So instead he decided to aquire respect, power, comradery, property, horses, foot rubs, and brewski beers. Who can blame him?
And who doesn't want a mojo dojo casa house?
he's /literallyme/
I AM KENOUGH!!!
i'm just ken
AND SO AM I
The movie is a bunch of jokes and it's being taken too seriously
Jokes?
https://odysee.com/@Clip:0/TDS-1065-Barbie-Is-israeli-Psyop-That-Helped-Destroy-Motherhood:4
Ironically two of the main characters are mother and daughter and the movie is in part about their reconnection and family bonding.