Maturity is realizing that these two are both the villains in this movie.
While imperfect, her husband and his wife didn't deserve them gallavanting around having an emotional and (nearly) physical affair. WTF was their problem?
Both were feeling like their respective relationships were over after both were snubbed by their spouses, also their affair was the first time either of them felt desired by another person. Cheating is awful but they knew their partners were doing the same.
Bob slept with the lounge singer while being married. That is adultery, so he's a cheater. He gave Charlotte a kiss goodbye and hung out with her, hardly cheating, and the kiss was more a mutual farewell kiss and probably done to give her the courage to talk to her husband about her unhappiness in the situation, not because he was in love with her.
Idk man, imagine being John and you found out Charlotte was snooping around with some dude who’s old enough to be your father while you were away working.
She could bring up that he was hanging around the actress bitch hanging on her every word. The point being she wasn't spending any time with him, regardless of his reasons, that's why she was unhappy. They just got married.
Charlotte kissed him. They laid in bed together. She cheated.
Bob walked back after being on his way to leave. He spotted her, and took the opportunity to kiss her. While not very ethical, it's not that shocking and a lot less bad than if he fucked her for real like the lounge singer. Laying in a bed together with your clothes on isn't cheating either. I'm not saying I approve of it necessarily, but given the context of them hanging out discussing life, it's not that bad. Her husband maybe wouldn't have seen it that way, but we as the audience aren't meant to take away she is cheating in any capacity. Bob also could've done more after she fell asleep in their car ride together, but didn't. A less honorable man would've tried something, but he tucked her in and left.
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I don’t care about the degree of difference between their cheating. But they did both cheat.
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Not really. Neither Charlotte or Bob slept with each other or had mutual feeling of romance/lust. The Biblical definition of adultery is cheating on your spouse with another person. So, Bob was a cheater because of his one night with the lounge singer, but not with Charlotte.
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She could bring up that he was hanging around the actress bitch hanging on her every word. The point being she wasn't spending any time with him, regardless of his reasons, that's why she was unhappy. They just got married.
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Bob walked back after being on his way to leave. He spotted her, and took the opportunity to kiss her. While not very ethical, it's not that shocking and a lot less bad than if he fucked her for real like the lounge singer. Laying in a bed together with your clothes on isn't cheating either. I'm not saying I approve of it necessarily, but given the context of them hanging out discussing life, it's not that bad. Her husband maybe wouldn't have seen it that way, but we as the audience aren't meant to take away she is cheating in any capacity. Bob also could've done more after she fell asleep in their car ride together, but didn't. A less honorable man would've tried something, but he tucked her in and left.
Exactly. He was more excited to talk to her than his newly wed wife. Kinda telling, even if he didn't cheat with her.
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Everyone acts more excited to talk to an acquaintance than someone close. It's a standard veneer of socializing, no one would want to approach you otherwise. You don't need to be fake with people close.
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Everyone acts more excited to talk to someone else other their newly wed wife?
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Yes, you should already have enough comfort and familiarity with the person you're marrying to not feel the need to fake excitement.
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What the fuck anon, do you just treat your spouse with indifference and act excited about female coworkers infront of her?
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Especially after they got married and moved to Japan in less than a year. Did John really get tired of her that fast? He didn't even introduce her initially, he waited 'til they got their personal greetings out of the way before he was like "Oh, and this is my wife". How rude could you be? Yeah, spouses and normal people don't act like this. If they had been married for years like Bob and his wife were, it would be understandable.
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What the fuck anon, do you pretend to be someone your not around your closest family and friends as if you're permanently in some sort of job interview or first date?
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Does being yourself involve flirting with women when your newly wed wife is standing right there?
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No, that would be that fake shit. You're not following.
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'Cause that's what John was clearing doing. Anon, you are autistic and can't read social interactions. it's okay, though.
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>'Cause that's what John was clearing doing
What, being fake? That's what I said. It's pretty normal, he was matching her energy, and she was cringe, so he was cringe too. That's really all the issue was, Scarlett thought they were dumb and cringe and it made her feel like she didn't belong there, she relates more to the brooding old man who also thinks everything is dumb and cringe.
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>he was matching her energy,
You really do have autism lol.
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But he was.
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He was being flirty with a woman. It's not matching someone's energy when your wife is standing right there and he doesn't introduce her first thing, especially after they've only been married for less than a year. Do you need a lesson on social cues and fopas, autist?
> Bob turned her down by sleeping with the lounge singer
Are you implying intent? That's not at all how I read that part of the plot. My read was that, for Bob and the lounge singer, the affair was strictly sexual, almost businesslike, no strings attached, very matter-of-fact. They're both mature and don't weight too heavily the significance of a sexual relationship, because at that age you understand that a deep emotional connection makes for a stronger bond.
Charlotte, in her relative immaturity, was deeply hurt by the thought of Bob being in love with someone else. This cemented for Bob the decades' difference between himself and Charlotte.
Do you deny the concept of emotional cheating?
>Are you implying intent?
Seemed kinda obvious after spending the night out together, and him not taking the opportunity then. She used Bob's embarrassment of being found with her against him, out of jealously. Pretty sure it wasn't just because he is lonely and needs someone to talk to, because she knew people for that. >Do you deny the concept of emotional cheating?
Charlotte wasn't in love with Bob so much so that she was perplexed why he slept with the lounge singer and not her. Hence the "well, she is closer to your age" remarks and so on.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Charlotte wasn't in love with Bob so much so that she was perplexed why he slept with the lounge singer and not her.
Yeah, anon, that's a stretch. Were you asleep for the entire karaoke scene or something?
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Being in love with someone, and wanting to fuck them are different things, Anon. She would have wanted to leave her husband if she was in love with him. Not go hang out at a restaurant after catching him with another woman.
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>being flirty
Acting like a manic woman is not how men flirt, not one that would ever be successful anyway.
He's employing standard feminine socialization tactics of reflecting everything the other person is laying out so they relate and bond. Which he would want to since she's in movies and could potentially get him work if they were on good terms.
Charlotte was more of the cynical masculine type who didn't like the falseness of it.
The only real issue she took with the whole scenario was the actress using a man's name as a pseudonym, which is hardly the reaction of someone who believed they were being cheated on, she just felt like she was smarter and realer and above the others and the lame schmoozing she had to witness.
4 weeks ago
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>Acting like a manic woman is not how men flirt,
He wasn't acting like a maniac, he was more excited to talk to her than introduce his wife to another woman. It's not that complicated, Anon.
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He was acting like the actress.
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>Sofia Coppola wrote that scene based on an encounter she had with Cameron Diaz while she was her then husband Spike Jonze. Cameron had worked with Jonze previously and the two of them had left Coppola wondering if the two had been more than just coworkers.
Kek
4 weeks ago
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Sofia Coppola 110% has a weird crush on Bill Murray and probably tried to seduce him during filming. She wrote the role with him in mind and risked the whole production on whether or not they could get him, and Johansson's character is confirmed to be a blatant self-insert
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Exactly. He was more excited to talk to her than his newly wed wife. Kinda telling, even if he didn't cheat with her.
Both were feeling like their respective relationships were over after both were snubbed by their spouses, also their affair was the first time either of them felt desired by another person. Cheating is awful but they knew their partners were doing the same.
The affair with the Simon & Garfunkel singer served as a juxtaposition between a sexual relationship that was passionless and a nonsexual relationship that was passionate.
Yes, both Bob and Charlotte cheated with each other on an emotional level, which is perhaps more destructive to their relationships than had it been purely sexual.
Bob turned her down by sleeping with the lounge singer, and Charlotte chiding him for it. Did you even watch the movie?
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You're not one for nuance, are you?
>laying in a bed together with clothes on is considered cheating
Lol, lmao even.
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> Bob turned her down by sleeping with the lounge singer
Are you implying intent? That's not at all how I read that part of the plot. My read was that, for Bob and the lounge singer, the affair was strictly sexual, almost businesslike, no strings attached, very matter-of-fact. They're both mature and don't weight too heavily the significance of a sexual relationship, because at that age you understand that a deep emotional connection makes for a stronger bond.
Charlotte, in her relative immaturity, was deeply hurt by the thought of Bob being in love with someone else. This cemented for Bob the decades' difference between himself and Charlotte.
They lost their kid if you remember. It's not because she was an outright cheating whore. And in a cosmic way, she got punished for it with the cancer.
Some will say "OK, so just try again for another kid!" but Japanese people view relationships differently than Western people do. It's also why he didn't just barge in on them and demand an explanation when her and the guy fucking. He also knew about them for awhile, too, and his own grief made him not want to confront her about it. It's called a Drama, Anon. You don't have to agree with it.
this is why you don't let women travel. Probably shouldn't let them outside either.
Maturity is realizing that these two are both the villains in this movie.
While imperfect, her husband and his wife didn't deserve them gallavanting around having an emotional and (nearly) physical affair. WTF was their problem?
Both were feeling like their respective relationships were over after both were snubbed by their spouses, also their affair was the first time either of them felt desired by another person. Cheating is awful but they knew their partners were doing the same.
>redditnagger moment
Bob cheated but Charlotte didn't.
Correct, only poster who actually watched the movie and not just clips off YouTube.
Explain
Bob slept with the lounge singer while being married. That is adultery, so he's a cheater. He gave Charlotte a kiss goodbye and hung out with her, hardly cheating, and the kiss was more a mutual farewell kiss and probably done to give her the courage to talk to her husband about her unhappiness in the situation, not because he was in love with her.
post tits
Idk man, imagine being John and you found out Charlotte was snooping around with some dude who’s old enough to be your father while you were away working.
She could bring up that he was hanging around the actress bitch hanging on her every word. The point being she wasn't spending any time with him, regardless of his reasons, that's why she was unhappy. They just got married.
Bob walked back after being on his way to leave. He spotted her, and took the opportunity to kiss her. While not very ethical, it's not that shocking and a lot less bad than if he fucked her for real like the lounge singer. Laying in a bed together with your clothes on isn't cheating either. I'm not saying I approve of it necessarily, but given the context of them hanging out discussing life, it's not that bad. Her husband maybe wouldn't have seen it that way, but we as the audience aren't meant to take away she is cheating in any capacity. Bob also could've done more after she fell asleep in their car ride together, but didn't. A less honorable man would've tried something, but he tucked her in and left.
I don’t care about the degree of difference between their cheating. But they did both cheat.
Not really. Neither Charlotte or Bob slept with each other or had mutual feeling of romance/lust. The Biblical definition of adultery is cheating on your spouse with another person. So, Bob was a cheater because of his one night with the lounge singer, but not with Charlotte.
You're not one for nuance, are you?
As if John wasn’t fucking Kelly secretly lol.
Exactly. He was more excited to talk to her than his newly wed wife. Kinda telling, even if he didn't cheat with her.
Everyone acts more excited to talk to an acquaintance than someone close. It's a standard veneer of socializing, no one would want to approach you otherwise. You don't need to be fake with people close.
Everyone acts more excited to talk to someone else other their newly wed wife?
Yes, you should already have enough comfort and familiarity with the person you're marrying to not feel the need to fake excitement.
What the fuck anon, do you just treat your spouse with indifference and act excited about female coworkers infront of her?
Especially after they got married and moved to Japan in less than a year. Did John really get tired of her that fast? He didn't even introduce her initially, he waited 'til they got their personal greetings out of the way before he was like "Oh, and this is my wife". How rude could you be? Yeah, spouses and normal people don't act like this. If they had been married for years like Bob and his wife were, it would be understandable.
What the fuck anon, do you pretend to be someone your not around your closest family and friends as if you're permanently in some sort of job interview or first date?
Does being yourself involve flirting with women when your newly wed wife is standing right there?
No, that would be that fake shit. You're not following.
'Cause that's what John was clearing doing. Anon, you are autistic and can't read social interactions. it's okay, though.
>'Cause that's what John was clearing doing
What, being fake? That's what I said. It's pretty normal, he was matching her energy, and she was cringe, so he was cringe too. That's really all the issue was, Scarlett thought they were dumb and cringe and it made her feel like she didn't belong there, she relates more to the brooding old man who also thinks everything is dumb and cringe.
>he was matching her energy,
You really do have autism lol.
But he was.
He was being flirty with a woman. It's not matching someone's energy when your wife is standing right there and he doesn't introduce her first thing, especially after they've only been married for less than a year. Do you need a lesson on social cues and fopas, autist?
>Are you implying intent?
Seemed kinda obvious after spending the night out together, and him not taking the opportunity then. She used Bob's embarrassment of being found with her against him, out of jealously. Pretty sure it wasn't just because he is lonely and needs someone to talk to, because she knew people for that.
>Do you deny the concept of emotional cheating?
Charlotte wasn't in love with Bob so much so that she was perplexed why he slept with the lounge singer and not her. Hence the "well, she is closer to your age" remarks and so on.
> Charlotte wasn't in love with Bob so much so that she was perplexed why he slept with the lounge singer and not her.
Yeah, anon, that's a stretch. Were you asleep for the entire karaoke scene or something?
Being in love with someone, and wanting to fuck them are different things, Anon. She would have wanted to leave her husband if she was in love with him. Not go hang out at a restaurant after catching him with another woman.
>being flirty
Acting like a manic woman is not how men flirt, not one that would ever be successful anyway.
He's employing standard feminine socialization tactics of reflecting everything the other person is laying out so they relate and bond. Which he would want to since she's in movies and could potentially get him work if they were on good terms.
Charlotte was more of the cynical masculine type who didn't like the falseness of it.
The only real issue she took with the whole scenario was the actress using a man's name as a pseudonym, which is hardly the reaction of someone who believed they were being cheated on, she just felt like she was smarter and realer and above the others and the lame schmoozing she had to witness.
>Acting like a manic woman is not how men flirt,
He wasn't acting like a maniac, he was more excited to talk to her than introduce his wife to another woman. It's not that complicated, Anon.
He was acting like the actress.
>Sofia Coppola wrote that scene based on an encounter she had with Cameron Diaz while she was her then husband Spike Jonze. Cameron had worked with Jonze previously and the two of them had left Coppola wondering if the two had been more than just coworkers.
Kek
Sofia Coppola 110% has a weird crush on Bill Murray and probably tried to seduce him during filming. She wrote the role with him in mind and risked the whole production on whether or not they could get him, and Johansson's character is confirmed to be a blatant self-insert
John didn’t fuck Kelly wtf
Kissing someone else is still cheating
He was banging that comedy movie dumb chick from Mom
Charlotte kissed him. They laid in bed together. She cheated.
The affair with the Simon & Garfunkel singer served as a juxtaposition between a sexual relationship that was passionless and a nonsexual relationship that was passionate.
Yes, both Bob and Charlotte cheated with each other on an emotional level, which is perhaps more destructive to their relationships than had it been purely sexual.
Bob turned her down by sleeping with the lounge singer, and Charlotte chiding him for it. Did you even watch the movie?
>laying in a bed together with clothes on is considered cheating
Lol, lmao even.
> Bob turned her down by sleeping with the lounge singer
Are you implying intent? That's not at all how I read that part of the plot. My read was that, for Bob and the lounge singer, the affair was strictly sexual, almost businesslike, no strings attached, very matter-of-fact. They're both mature and don't weight too heavily the significance of a sexual relationship, because at that age you understand that a deep emotional connection makes for a stronger bond.
Charlotte, in her relative immaturity, was deeply hurt by the thought of Bob being in love with someone else. This cemented for Bob the decades' difference between himself and Charlotte.
Do you deny the concept of emotional cheating?
Yes it was and I’m tired of women gaslighting me into thinking that cheating is only possible physically.
yes but his wife didn't give a fuck.
Woman and Soŷs will tell you its emotional cheating. But to answer your question, no
I don't give a fuck about any of that shit, but Tommib by Squarepusher is a banger
shit movie
Yeah, more people should watch Drive My Car instead.
Drive My Car? More like Fuck my Wife lmao
They lost their kid if you remember. It's not because she was an outright cheating whore. And in a cosmic way, she got punished for it with the cancer.
Some will say "OK, so just try again for another kid!" but Japanese people view relationships differently than Western people do. It's also why he didn't just barge in on them and demand an explanation when her and the guy fucking. He also knew about them for awhile, too, and his own grief made him not want to confront her about it. It's called a Drama, Anon. You don't have to agree with it.
lol
(You)
Yeah