Was it soul or soulless?
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Was it soul or soulless?
Was it soul or soulless?
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It is so insane how I don't participate with this show in anyway at all and how just obvious the singular good design is just wasted on that roster.
The first three seasons are pretty soulless in the face of the absolute kino supremo of S4 and S5
Season 3 was great. What the frick are you talking about?
Both. The princess stuff was soulless preschooler-tier entertainment and the horde stuff was legit good
Justice for the Horde Kids
Why did noelle hate kyle so much
Cinemaphile exaggerates the Kyle-hate. Dude even got to walk off into the sunset with a hot waifu AND a hot husbandu.
I wish i could cure my crippling depression with jungle fever pussy and prostate stimulation with big lizard wiener
I'm rooting for you, anon. There's always a chance.
after todays existential schizo breakdown ive had since 1 in the morning i really hope i can get better. Ive been on the verge of killing myself for hours now
>Ive been on the verge of killing myself for hours now
That's not going to solve anything anon. Hope you make it though this.
Don't talk to iToddlers. All they want is attention.
Hang in there mate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYnuVSwyoM
>Show puts so much emphasis on friendship, trauma, and moving on from toxic relationships yet repeatedly abused the character and treated it as a joke.
>puts himself on the line to help Glimmer escape in S1. Gets thrown away as a joke, and presumably never got recognition by the rebellion.
>didn't get development until season 4, the last season he appears aside from a s5 micro cameo.
>true friendship is when people who treat you like shit, made you feel like everything was your fault, and never listened to you for years grow a conscience when you're about to die
>gets paired up with two of his bullies at the last moment just to get brownie points for having poly representation
I'm gonna disagree but to each it's own
It's called being a tertiary comic relief character. The fact he got a good ending and a moment to shine makes him better off than most.
you're right that initially Lonnie was just a bully (even bullied Catra). They were child soldiers, it wasn't a healthy environment. They were very minor characters, and in the end the crew liked them enough and felt bad for the kids enough to give them a story where they realized that they cared for one another and wanted nothing more to do with the Horde bullshit. For a very minor character that's a good fate. "Kyle was hated" is a very moronic take.
I agree that the crew probably came to care for them in the end and wanted to send them off in a positive way.
For me is the fact that they decided to do the whole "they actually care for eachother including Kyle all along" point too late in the series and by then it soured me to that whole relationship. The rescue was a well executed sequence, but with all the bagagge aside it didn't feel earned. Their interactions prior to that episode were never positive or fair towards Kyle. He was never in on the joke. He was the scapegoat. There was no fair balance. It was not a healthy friendship in a show that had been all up about friendship.
If people want to ship it because Rogelio and Lonnie are hot, or because they liked the sendoff, that's their deal. But it's my personal bias, and I'm sticking to it.
I did like what Amphibia did with the Warhammer episode where Sasha and Grime's two grunts tell her to frick off in the end and go on their ways after she continually treated them without care. It felt fair and on point. The other main reason Kyle stuck with Lonnie and Rogelio in the end was to appease the shippers anyway.
You have a funny definition for "good fate"
This. Catra and the other villains were way more fun to follow than Adora and the funky bunch. Much like Team Rocket, I considered them the real main characters.
>I'm a racist lesbian
Why am I so easily amused? I laughed at this shit for almost 2 minutes.
Who is this in the pic? I thought it was the supergirl actress at first
That's Maria Laura Mantovani. If you don't know her, she was the lead speaker for the Italian senate the day someone hijacked the Zoom meeting to broadcast Tifa Lockhart porn. I can't find a clip, but I took a screenshot of her stifling her laughter.
The princesses (aside from Glimmer and Angella) weren't that complex in comparison.
Soul. Whatever you may think of how well it was made, the fact everyone working on it was passionate about it should be obvious
The 80s series had better animation.
Hahaha, no
for the times yes.
Its always fascinating to me when you get a reboot of a series that goes so different tonally/aesthetically than the original. I don't just mean typical things like the various Batman interpretations, but ones where the original concept and designs are changed so much it barely resembles the original. I don't mean this as a negative thing as I like the newer show and can't really stand the old one. A similar case is when Rob Liefeld's Prophet got that relaunch 10 years ago. So whether you consider it good or not, I'd definitely say it has soul. Soulless to me would be something like that Nickolodeon Voltron reboot
Remarkably high soul. With the exception of Arcane, none of the "this is action-adventure animation for teens and up, with an ongoing plot" stuff we've gotten since it has even come close to being as good.
Even ignoring the constant "let's go, lesbians!" push and theme it really helped that the VAs were really good (and cute).
It also hinged on catgirl supremacy.
The Catra with the Red Mask is giving me Shredder vibes for some reason.
Honestly the gays were handled really well. They were just sort of there, no deeper message beyond "yeah they exist" which is how it should be done.
The episode with Bow's dads could have easily been a "The Horde is homophobic and we need to teach Adora ACCEPTANCE" plot but they don't linger on it in the slightest.
It was Noelle's fanfic with a She-ra skin
the protagonists barring glimmer were boring
the antagonists were fun
it was okay, i guess. i've never bothered rewatching it
>the protagonists barring glimmer were boring
>the antagonists were fun
Glimmer is vastly improved from the original show.
Teenage Bow is pretty funny for being so reasonable if you have the original Camp Straight Errol Flynn wannabe who keeps messing up as a reference point.
Adora/She-Ra is... blah.
Mermista and Sea Hawk are pretty entertaining.
All the villains except Hordak had improved personalities from the original. Hordak has a character arc with Entrapta and Prime while the OG was 100% episodic, but the original's dark parental love and... boisterousness were interesting to watch.
Black bow fricking sucks but i like glimmer and most of the other princesses
Hell yea, it was surprising how much Glimmer grew on me. Everyone complained about her being fat and whiny and having no breasts at the start, but she eventually develops into a compelling character seasons down the line (plus she ends up losing weight)
>plus she ends up losing weight)
She was hotter as a slampig tbh
>Hell yea, it was surprising how much Glimmer grew on me. Everyone complained about her being fat and whiny and having no breasts at the start, but she eventually develops into a compelling character seasons down the line
OG Glimmer may have had breasts, but she was an astoundingly flat character for appearing in 45 of 93 episodes. And dumb: if Glimmer '18 had only used her powers consistently, she'd have been better. But she also went and developed a compelling personality seasons down the road.
Glimmer is the best character no contest.
Slampig kween and great character development.
>slampig simp
Nyet. Any success for the show is down to them going full catgirl on Catra.
It is unironically keno made by a self hating lesbian.
Pure soul and a hundred times better than the original
If we're fair, the original was VERY good for the standards of the time, and going into very different territory. He-Man was a weird hodge-podge of sci-fi, fantasy, and Conan-style Sword & Sorcery, but it had clear things to draw upon. She-Ra was trying to do a female version, and there were a lot less female heroes to draw upon in those genres. I think they did very well if you remember that they were in very new territory.
And MOTU was inspired the New Gods
I'm not saying there's NOTHING to this claim, but it was far more the case with the lore in the (shitty) movie.
Rob David sure took several inspirations/tropes from this show into the CGI He-man show.
At a glance, I thought that was First One's writing.
Uh, that's just Adam, Teela, Duncan, Krass and Cringer, nothing to do with Nu-Ra.
But she isn't. She has no ties to the Eternian Royal Family whatsoever[SPOILER], because it doesn't exist.[/SPOILER]
Adam recieved the Sword of Power on his 18th birthday. He's already well-established by the time HMatMotU starts. One birthday passes (The Great Books Mystery), Adora is gifted the Sword of Protection, another birthday passes (Xmas Special). The twins are 21 at the end of the Filmation run.
People can say whatever they want, doesn't make it so.
They wouldn't[SPOILER]; Krass is an Evil Warrior now.[/SPOILER]
Legitimately the first modern western animation I've ever enjoyed. If it wasn't for She-Ra I never would have considered watching Amphibia, which was likewise excellent.
soulless
Season one is kinda eh but overall it’s one my favorite recent cartoons.
Why doesnt adora have breasts?
Because she's a self insert of Noelle who cut her breasts off.
I mean she's SUPPOSED to be the same Adora as the 80s cartoon, just a few years younger...
Hold the phone. Isn't 80's Adora supposedly a teenager? She's the same age as Adam and I believe he was a teen in the original series.
>I mean she's SUPPOSED to be the same Adora as the 80s cartoon, just a few years younger...
Stevenson said she was in her 20's during the show...
Adora is 17-19 in earlier seasons, 20-21 in later ones since they were supposedly year gaps between seasons
where are the breasts?
it was soul
go watch porn like a normal person
Needed more Rogelio
>Needed more Rogelio
Yeah, obviously.
I don't know WTF was up that Noelle thought IP law limited the Horde monsters to an unnamed Grizzlor cameo and then bam, suddenly Tung Lashor, but more reptile people is always good.
Saccharinerose draws such a more appealing Rogelio that I started taking reference from his drawings than the show's look.
soul is just a Cinemaphile term that means nostalgia, used because being a nostalgiagay is a reason for mockery, but they had no argument beyond it so they called it something else. It's utterly meaningless.
Soul is abstract but does have some meaning. Cinemaphile, a.k.a. blue board /b/, beating it to the ground shouldn't really take away from that.
>Soul is abstract but does have some meaning.
Yes. It means nostalgia. Everything vaguely seems to make sense for it to have meaning to those using it. But when questioned the reason it "sparks joy" while something souless doesn't, is nostalgia. "Old thing good new thing bad." It doesn't have soul? Just means there isn't something triggering happy chemicals in your brain due to positive childhood memory association.
Even with the abstract you can dissect the traits that make it what it is. This isn't abstract, it's just a one for one pretending nostalgia means something else, and then inventing new terms to describe the same happy chemicals being triggered by the same things.
That's not the opposite. That's nostalgia. The gen 2 pokemon games were 23 years ago. Of course they would say those games have soul. Ignoring the joke about heart gold and soul silver.
even on Cinemaphile the term has already been appropriated to mean the exact opposite. posters use SOUL unironically to describe something like the Gen II Pokemon games
Good show. Would be nice to have one more special, showing them rescuing Glimmer's mom.
I just wanted to say I ship Glimmer with her dad and Adora with Angella
...are you that one girl that fricks her dad and blogs about it?
>daddy/daughter incest
You have me and my erections attention now
It could've been soul but I think Noelle doesn't know how to worldbuild. She's pro with character interactions (my heart melted at picrel) but for whole seasons Etheria is just this big undeveloped void.
There's a world war going on that involves, like, 6 people tops.
The Horde has thousands of warriors but keeps sending the same 3 child soldiers to do everything important.
Shadow Weaver summons a demon that never gets bought up again.
Prime straight up vaporises a planet's resistance from orbit and its never explained why he doesn't do the same to Etheria
he wanted the planetary weapon and thus had to use a lighter touch with Etheria.
I'd say your problem with shadow weaver is kind of answered by her not having access to the garnet for most of the rest of the series.
I think the world-building was a little hamstrung by the choice to try so hard to tie it into the original series, given this choice and the limited budget capping the amount of unique characters they could play with, and the choice to focus on character over world-building I'm satisfied with what we got.
>worldbuild
Maybe it was an homage to the original She-Ra. Etheria was just a random mish-mash of medieval villages, alien puff-ball trees, and magic crystal castles strewn about the landscape, and sometimes Hordak attacked.
to be fair that is how the US is so you can't blame the animators
it was.
>Shadow Weaver summons a demon that never gets bought up again.
That thing was wild! It made the spell of obtainment look like a literal deal with the devil.
I like the theory that both the demon and Prime's true "smoke" form have a connection of sorts.
The spell turns the wielder into a parasitic entity that leeches life-force and magic from the world, and Prime turned out to be a parasite jumping from clone to clone.
I want to watch this show but I'm afraid of my mother seeing it in my watch history because we share a Netflix profile.
Then download it.
she's the cutest little war criminal
I hate the downgrades in designs.
This one is just a different character in every way right?
Pretty much.
What downgrades? Everyone in the old show was a generic looking sameface. It's the one time brownwashing actually improved something.
You know exactly what I mean.
>get cute ice e-girl
>downgrade
ETHERIAN FBI OPEN UP
Not him but some designs were really good and some kinda sucked. Mermista and Catra were huge upgrades, Frosta was a downgrade and Perfuma was what the frick. Glimmer depends if you're a chubby chaser or not, I guess.
>Perfuma was what the frick
Reminder she was literally meant to be a troony.
They really needed two of them in the show, not counting that Peekablue was also a dude but was never seen
Peekablue being DT all along was such a letdown
apparently there is a real peekablue but not a real flutterina
She was supposed to be a made-up creation of DT.
She never existed at all
>old boomers think New-ra is bad because they don't all have the same Barbie doll body
>me, a coomtellectual enjoying DFC, thick thighs, sticcs, thiccs, talls, shorts, fitgirls, and androgyny
boobs are for plebs, if I need breasts I can turn to fanart.Boomers just lack imagination.
I get thinking ones like mermista and frosta and catra redesigns look hot, but how does adoras boyish nature look attractive at all?
Delicious flat chest and taught body, probably has a nice fit ass too.
But """she""" has no breasts or curves to speak of
However I would love to dick down catra as shes throwing a tantrum and hissing and scratching as im forcefully corrective breeding her neko dyke ass
I told you I don't need breasts, boomer.
>Perfuma was what the frick
Both Perfumas roughly the same.
Actual catgirl > brunette with a weird speech impediment.
a villain allowed to be a villain who could transform with magic> anime reject who wanted to frick her mom and settled for her sister never transformed.
How would they interact?
bonding over punching Catra because she's a b***h
soulless
it had no idea what it wanted to be
Stevenson wanted to make an unused wonder over yonder script about the villain being gay for the lead.
lots of the team members left the show making the whole thing feel disjointed as you can tell when someone left, and another writer took over.
Showrunners could stand to learn from Rebecca Sugar, gotta have a plan from start to finish. And rule with an iron fist.
But didnt becky get walked all over by her underlings like the two cucks obsessed with pushing townie shite that went on to make cuck of the creek or lauren zuke?
Did she? I thought she had Zuke removed after she kept trying to create an Amethyst/Lapis/Peridot shiptease love triangle or something like that.
Yeah but only after zuke fricked alot of the production up and got peridot aka best gem eternally barned. If i were in sucrouses place i wouldve been the soup nazi of cartoon showrunners and anyone who didnt blindly follow my storyline directions and my orders would get booted off the office
this used it be how CN handled things. Johnny Bravo's creator got fired because he was too lax on his crew.
Interesting.
As far as I know, this is still norm in a lot of animation studios. Being a nuisance and going against showrunners behind their backs can get you fired or not have your contract renewed once it runs out.
How come Tartakovsky never had problems like this?
>Showrunners could stand to learn from Rebecca Sugar
>using a doormat who let her crew of Tumblrina shippers frick up her show for the foreseeable future as an example of a good showrunner
This is why no one takes you SUgays seriously
Stevenson did have a plan from the beginning.
Then she was told she couldn't make Wonder gay for Hater and tried to make it a She-ra story.
She also was very picky about who she was working with and was said to have kicked people off the team, some say it was because she didn't want any men on the team others say it was because they were trying to make a She-ra reboot and were ignoring her script.
I not sure but I don't think she told most of her staff about her script from Wonder.
I thought Noelle's WOY self-insert was Lord Dominator.
>Lord Dominator
I don't see the mommy issues or shitty girlfriend.
unless she was supposed to hook up with Sylvia.
Hater makes more sense especially after she transitioned
According to the wiki. Noelle confirmed during a charity stream that Lord Dominator was "intentionally written as lesbian". I didn't get that impression from her to be honest. I thought she was only attracted to destroying worlds.
But she is also a destructive woman with a male title and masquerades as a big muscular overlord with a deep voice to trick others. It fits the kind of edgy characters Noelle is into.
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I want Catra to eat my ass
The porn where she was a femboy who got dicked down was ok.
Best kid’s action cartoon since Last Airbender.
Soul. An ugly soul