Wasn't he supposed to be weak without his ring of power? Isn't that the whole point

Wasn't he supposed to be weak without his ring of power? Isn't that the whole point

Why didn't the men, the elves and the dwarves just band together and destroy him? Why did they let him build an army for hundreds of years?

How did he suddenly gain power without the ring out of nowhere?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    weak is relative.
    mike tyson on his death bed would still be able to kill me.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Wasn't he supposed to be weak without his ring of power?
    Weaker. Relative to his full strength, he's not nearly as poweful, but still considerably more powerful than a mere mortal.
    >Why didn't the men, the elves and the dwarves just band together and destroy him? Why did they let him build an army for hundreds of years?
    Dwarves have mostly kept to themselves, and Elves have done the bulk of the fighting against evil for the last several thousand years. At this point in the story men are coming into their own as the rulers of the earth, so they have to lead the fight. But they still get help from higher powers like Gandalf and the remaining elves who decided to remain behind a little longer on Middle Earth.
    >How did he suddenly gain power without the ring out of nowhere?
    He didn't "suddenly" gain anything, it took him over 2000 years to amass the strength you see in Lord of the Rings.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He is weaker, considerably so. However, even in his weakened state he could've steamrolled the entire Middle Earth eventually, beating him in military might just wasn't realistic. You need to keep in mind that a major theme of the story is that Middle Earth is diminishing, magic is leaving and the current free peoples are nowhere near the might they once had. Sauron, however, is an immortal spirit with an endless amount of time who can't be defeated unless the Ring is destroyed. Even IF they managed to kill every single orc, troll and beast, Sauron could just rebuild again like he did before and the remaining free people would be weaker and less in numbers than before. That's the entire reason the story is so hopeless and pretty much the best they could do was a last hail mary distraction hoping that Frodo could destroy the Ring before they ALL died.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The "diminishing" has to do with immortal beings, mainly elves, being called the Undying Lands, to live with the Valar. Men aren't getting any "weaker" through some supernatural cause, they're simply forgetting the lore taught to them by the elves, many thousands of years ago. With every passing generation men lose knowledge and grace that was given to them by the High Elves thousands of years ago. Because so many High Elves perished in the First Age fighting Morgoth, then again in the Second Age fighting Sauron, Men in the third age were left to wander on their own, trusting to their traditions to pass down ancient wisdom of the Elves. Its why Men are in such a fallen state by the time the Lord of the Rings starts, it's been thousands of years since the Last Alliance of Elves and Men, and most men now think of Elves as legends, and High Elves as myths.

      The danger isn't that Men will be "too weak" in a physical or magical sense to fight Sauron, it's that they will simply forget about him. Sauron lay dormant for three thousand years after Isildur cut the ring from his hand. Were it not for Elves like Elrond and Galadriel keeping an ear out for him mortals may very well have forgotten his existence, leaving him free to do whatever he wished. The worst possible thing would be mankind losing all knowledge of Sauron, his nature, how to defeat him, because then they'd be totally powerless before his malice and cunning, let alone his armies.

      Remember that Sauron's most dangerous trait was his ability to deceive. He destroyed Numenor, the greatest nation of Men to ever exist, without a single orc. He did it with sheer malice.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Men aren't getting any "weaker" through some supernatural cause, they're simply forgetting the lore taught to them by the elves, many thousands of years ago.
        Men are getting weaker due to the blood of Numenor getting diluted and them mixing with lesser men. It's a big part of the story and the reason the Dunedain are so OP. It's not ONLY knowledge, but actual, concrete quality of their blood that is getting weaker. Even Aragorn is much less of a gigachad than his ancestors.
        >The danger isn't that Men will be "too weak" in a physical or magical sense to fight Sauron, it's that they will simply forget about him.
        It's both.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    LotR is just an endless series of plotholes, just shut your brain off and enjoy it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Name one.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        n-no

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't give the ring to Tom Bombadil.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Did you even read the books?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Books are for nerds, dweeb. Frick off.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You referenced a book character.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Did you not understand when I told you to frick off?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Back the frick off?!?!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >"Sauron needs the ring so badly, he thinks about it day and night, all his attention is constantly focused on the ring"
        >Sauron makes ONE attempt to get the ring
        >that attempt fails around 40 mins into FotR
        >He NEVER tried getting the ring again for the remainder of the trilogy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What? The entire story is about him looking for the Ring.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No it isn't. After the Nazgul get BTFO once, they never return to get Frodo. Sauron instead decides that he is going to focus on fricking Gondor because of reasons

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Return to get Frodo, where exactly? They are constantly moving and Sauron only has a vague idea about who has the Ring. At most he knows that a halfling is carrying it and Pippin accidentally revealing himself through the Palantir makes him think he is the halfling in question and then when Aragorn declares himself Sauron starts to think the Ring is now with Aragorn, because he buys their bluff and thinks Aragorn is actually challenging him. Other than that he really doesn't have accurate information about the Ring's whereabouts, so he focuses his might on the people he THINKS are in possession of the Ring.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >where exactly?
                At Rivendell, where Frodo was obviously heading, and where he staid for the next two months.
                >Sauron only has a vague idea about who has the Ring
                He knows that a Hobbit named Baggins from the Shire has it, and his nazgul know what that Hobbit looks like. Pretty specific.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >He knows that a Hobbit named Baggins from the Shire has it, and his nazgul know what that Hobbit looks like. Pretty specific.
                Yeah, and when that Baggins disappears from his sight he has to somehow find him again and also find out his name to make sure he's got the right halfling. It's not like Frodo has a fricking nameplate on him. Then later on, a random halfling calls him with a Palantir and shortly afterwards the heir of Isildur challenges him to a dick comparison contest, so it's a logical assumption that the halfling brought the Ring to Aragorn in Gondor who's now trying to use it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's been a while since I read the books, but I also seem to remember that Aragorn used the Palantir to troll Sauron. He was strong enough to resist getting mind probed, but Aragorn learned that Sauron was worried based on the kinds of questions he asked.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but I also seem to remember that Aragorn used the Palantir to troll Sauron
                Essentially. He used it to challenge Sauron directly by telling him that Isildur's heir is about to come and clap his cheeks again and Sauron inferred from that that Aragorn MUST have the Ring because otherwise it would be a suicide mission. That, of course, was the entire point. Sauron's downfall was because he couldn't fathom the concept of someone being selfless and sacrificing themselves for the greater good.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That, of course, was the entire point. Sauron's downfall was because he couldn't fathom the concept of someone being selfless and sacrificing themselves for the greater good.
                The ironic thing was that he was kind of right. Nobody destroyed the Ring willingly, and it took either an act of Eru or happenstance of fate (depending on if you ask the book or movie) to get it in the lava

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                True, but then again to get even that far required the kind of selflessness he couldn't conceptualize. The game was rigged from the start and everything was in Eru's song since the beginning, IIRC he even tells Morgoth this by explaining how every discord he tries to cause will just get spun into the melody to make it complete the way Eru intended.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              That reason was because he thought the ring being in Gondor was the most likely location, you daft Black person. Once Saruman fricked everything up he had no idea where it could be and was guessing.
              When Aragorn revealed himself that became a certainty in his mind, and the march on the black gate was made specifically to exploit this.

              The whole plan hinges on the fact that he couldn’t conceive of someone having the ring and not using it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Frodo was bringing the ring to him

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It took time for the nazgul to gather back together and regain their strength after getting b***h slapped by Elrond's creek. Their steeds were real flesh and blood horses, and were killed. Even for Sauron, it's hard to train up horses that can stand to bear the nazgul. That's why he switched to the fell bird monster things, but even those took time to grow. He knew the ring was still out there and on the move, and he never stopped looking. He had spies out looking for information on it, in addition to his overt methods. As far as his pressing forward with the war, why not? He was worried that somebody would get it and use it. You have to remember that he's completely evil, and very prideful. It never occurred to him that someone would try to destroy the ring. He thought that if Aragorn, Denethor, Saruman, or somebody else got ahold of it, that they would use it against him. So, he went on the attack in order to get out ahead of what he thought was going to be an attack from them. That's why Aragorn's last ditch attack to buy time worked. Sauron thought that there was no way somebody with such a small force would dare to attack the black gate unless they had an ace up their sleeve.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This, Gandalf lays out his thought process pretty clearly: while Sauron shits himself at the thought of someone like Gandalf, Aragorn, Eleond etc getting the ring, he also knows that they wouldn’t be able to master it instantly, so his best hope is to force any would be ring bearer into hasty action and then taking it back while they’re still vulnerable.
                Sauron thought his attack on Gondor, and Aragorn’s march on him with a tiny force, had been a masterful 3D chess move to get the ring back.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >3D chess
                Remember that Gandalf start moving pieces into place back during The Hobbit time frame. He knew that the Lonely Mountain was going to be an important strategic asset for the coming war. If Sauron had made a deal with Smaug, or even killed him, he would have a foothold outside of Mordor and be able to attack from two fronts.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because he doesn't know where Frodo is. Literally all he knows is "Baggins, Shire." He sends Nazgul's to the shire, and while they don't find Frodo they are put on his trail. After that Saruman manages to track down the fellowship and ambushes Boromir, capturing two hobbits that every side mistakenly believes to be be the people possessing the Ring.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >fricking Gondor because of reasons
              couldnt be the border could it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      oh please tell us how the eagles should have just carried the ring to mordor

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lol people have two eyes, why was Tolkien such a hack?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Freemasonic/Gnostic shit.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just noticed, how does the eye turn around to look at Mount Doom? The tower can't move, so the eye would be fixated to only facing forward

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe he can switch and look backwards. It's a magic eye made of fire.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How did throwing the ring into the lava destroy Sauron? I mean, technically shouldn't he just be the same as he was when Frodo had it? It was a conduit of his power, not his life source right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Part of the power of the ring came from the fact that he had intertwined his life force with the ring itself.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He poured the majority of his power and essence into the ring. In LotR the way Sauron and Morgoth use their powers has them "spend" their powers like finite mana when they want to make or corrupt anything. That's why Morgoth is way weaker after spending a long time trying to control and corrupt Middle Earth. Similarly Sauron used up his power to create the Ring and when it was destroyed, he had no way to replenish his strength anymore and became a pitiful wraith that was not able to do anything besides impotently haunt people at most.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For people who dislike the giant eye.
    How else would you portray Sauron in a film and still make him threatening?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Make his form shadowed and look like it's constantly burning and ethereal like they did in the Hobbit where they had to include the stupid Dol Guldur scene.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How else would you portray Sauron?
      You don't.

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