Just watched the extended cut of Waterworld. Never seen the movie in any form before.
Just how badly did they edit this movie for the theatrical cut to turn it from this absolute kino to a box office flop? I'll watch it myself eventually, but God, it's such a beautiful movie I can't imagine it getting such bad reviews and not filling theaters.
>characters are standing on land
what do you think the land is floating on?? dumb ass.
land doesn't float you fucking idiot. You think Islands are just floating with water underneath them?
I never got why so many people hated Waterworld and Connair. I loved them both.
Nobody hated Con Air you stupid piece of shit. It's one of the movies that solidified Nic Cage as an A-list actor.
idiot liar. nic cage is an awful awful actor.
Do you mean snake eyes? I think everyone liked Con air probably because of Chapelle
Snake Eyes was trash and you damn well know it.
Yes I do.
You mean the postman right?
Loved both too.
They spent a shitload of money on it and it had a difficult production. They just shat on it because it made for a good narrative.
The film is fine except for the annoying kid.
Plus it actually ended up making money in the long run.
Mostly it came out at a time when it was cool to shit on Costner.
What kind of idiot doesn’t like con-air..?
It was fine, the problem was that Costner was not connected with Hydrawood accounting practices so his film got shat upon by everyone connected to the beast.
they did some pretty stupid and expensive things
they shot on the open ocean even after Spielberg warned them not to based on his experience with Jaws
they built a real floating Atol set to use at sea
it then had to be refloated
Oh! I guess the movie must be horrible to watch, because they filmed on open ocean when they could have used a cheap tank, etc. Wow those extra expenditures must have made the movie a really bad watch.
I would honestly love for people like you who fell for the cabal's hit plan on this movie, even though it doesn't make fucking sense, to be removed from the earth. How can you hold your head up as a person when you repeat something which is not only contrived smears, but doesn't even fucking work as smears, as if it does?
those extra expenditures meant it cost a lot more and things like the aircraft carrier sequence had to be cut
Stop pretending to be a person. You are not a person you are a drone. A husk. Let me tell you this to take back to your hive or whatever to see if they can digest it: When a person watches a movie, they see the frames of the film. They do not see sets that sank and weren't used for filming, and say "this makes the film suck". This is because a) they cannot see this and b) there isn't any reason that an unused set makes the film suck in any way.
People also cannot see, when they watch the film, a sequence that was envisaged in some creators mind at a time, and then not included in the final script. They do not see it in their minds while they watch the movie playing out negatively in some kind of destruction of value. Ok? Humans just see the frames of the film, which in this film's case, contain an overwhelming amount of stunning action, sets, locations, concepts etc. So please stop pretending to be a human until you can understand these basic facts of reality
>they shot on the open ocean even after Spielberg warned them not to
to be fair given what the script called for filming the whole thing in a lake or some kind of massive studio-built water tank might not have been feasible. The whole idea is that there's literally nothing but water as far as you can see in any direction.
And although it turned out to not be cost effective I think we should acknowledge Costner, the director and the studio for being madlads and doing it the hard way because the practical components of the film worked. The "Mad Max on boats" aesthetic works because they really *are* on boats out in the ocean. The sets really *were*surrounded by water in all directions. It offsets the narrative issues to some extent because for a dumb as the script is in places a lot of the shit you see is very real because its photography and not VFX. The fuck do I care how much it cost, I'm just watching the thing
The new transfer is gorgeous. The sets, the water, the outfits. Horizon and night shots. I throw it on during weekends when I have nothing to do and juts relax and take it all in. I'd be curious to see how many people love Waterworld(like me)also love Blade Runner.
>I'd be curious to see how many people love Waterworld(like me)also love Blade Runner.
Thanks, I couldn't find that for a response.
What are frens for?
What if they just built a set that was docked to a pier and could be rotated as needed?
>The "Mad Max on boats" aesthetic works because they really *are* on boats out in the ocean. The sets really *were*surrounded by water in all directions.
This. My dad is a big normie who hates violent movies and this is one of his favorite ones, because we had almost the same catamaran as Costner.
The film has amazing atmosphere.
I recall seeing a cut where the end shows a marker to let us know the island was Mt Everest. Never saw it in the tv versions.
The Ulysses Cut. It also shows that the Smokers follow a faux religion to keep them all in line until The Deacon(Hopper)can actually find a clue to dry land. Really recommend the Arrow Bluray.
what's the purpose of this?
Aesthetics. Indicator does it as well.
Let’s you know what color the other colors are. I’m honestly blind without it.
Arrow Video's little logo. It's gay.
you're supposed to go in the calibration settings on your flat screen and make sure the color grading matches the colors on the box when you hold it up. Every movie has its own unique grading
It's strickly for fags
Do people have any idea how much extra water would have to be added to earth to make that sea level possible?
You're assuming the water level is evenely distributed across the planet. The Himerlayers is higher that somewhere like the Netherlands of Holland, so the water there will be higher. Simple as.
I only saw the theatrical cut, and that was made pretty clear, wasn't it? It's been a while.
The Ulysses Cut is so damn good. I liked the Theatrical but it's nowhere near as good. Love it. Also Majorino a cutie.
Never knew there was an extended cut. Now I want to see it.
The original theatrical cut was notoriously edited down to scraps by the studio. An extended cut was released later that filled in a lot of the exposition and character development.
Adds back in the Smokers following Deacon as an arbiter of "god" that will lewd them to dry land. Puts back in all the cursing and violence that was removed. Also adds way more to the characters and the world, like them finding the things the Mariner trades in. Believing he and the girl are somehow evil and bad luck(Outside if him being a mutant)they see that as him being almost satanic. And a more hopeful ending when they do find the island. There's word that we're getting a follow up taking place directly after the ending. I think everyone is in talks to come back. I've heard tv series like something on HBO. We'll see. Anyway, def watch the Ulysses Cut.
Sounds kino, if they don't fuck it up. Which, they might. If anyone I would say hbo would be the best to pull it off
Agreed. I could see Prime or Netflix, Netflix'ing it up. Hopefully if it does actually come to fruition it's something actually of note. I don't have high hopes for anything new based on an older property. On the other hand, Maverick is a thing.
it has a scene that fixes the plot hole of "why do atoll people not want the help of a guy who can breathe underwater. The Ulysses Cut really makes the movie so much better.
It also shows more in detail how Gregor was trying to study the tattoo. In the theatrical it was just "Oh I read it upside down, of course!" which was the dumbest thing.
So she already sold scrunchies?
Ahead of the game.
everything about this film sucks, from cuckstner, to studio meddling, to the fake director, to the story, to the camera work, to the cinematography, to the sets, to the boring "mad max on water" action etc.
i repeat - WATERWORLD FUCKING SUCKS!!
welcome to the A toll
If you watch the original release it's pretty stupid but it's not awful, it was marketed as mad max on the water but it's just some fish man who drinks his own piss, I haven't watched the extended cut though because the original was long enough I can't imagine what else they would add to an already dull movie
That said I never enjoyed his movies because they all run forever and nothing seems to happen, Wyatt Earp, robin hood, dances with wolves, the postman
I did enjoy no way out though
I watched Dances with Wolves and Wyatt Earp too in their longest versions and I enjoyed them as well.
It seems like his movies are ones to watch when you're in the mood for a long but passionate movie to lose yourself in. The shortened versions are never the proper experience.
Dances, Wyatt, Bodyguard, Untouchables, Waterworld, A Perfect World, Bull Duhram, Field Of Dreams, etc all great to amazing. Costner is the actor that fags love to hate on. He's consistently put out good films through his career.
I'll both agree with you and complicate your statement. Kevin Cosnter is a terrible actor, he just happens to be involved with an extraordinary amount of kino.
I disagree, but I'll add that he has zero range. He's an Eastwood. Stoic and can say a thousand things with a look and a facial expression, but he has to have the right part.
This is true I'm surprised he didn't just end up doing more action roles like Bruce Willis
He's expressionless and speaks in a monotone in his scenes, queer gay.
he's got rizz
>COME TOGETHER WITH YER HANDS
I can't say I hate him but yes I agree with you anon 100% you do need to watch the extended cuts and definitely have to want to watch an epic which seems to be a forgotten thing, the shortened versions are pretty fucking bad though and I can see why he was shit on consistently but it's not his fault, weirdly enough I can't see why some of them wernt miniseries which seemed to be everywhere at that time period
dww director's cut is not sanctioned by costner
the scene in tin cup when costner drops half a dozen balls trying to drive over a lake is kino and one of those scenes women will never understand
shill detected. kys.
>The Janny gets his freedom
Would Would Would
She was so cute when she got her hair cut. She looks like Shirley MacLaine.
Agreed. Short hair looks great on her.
Jeanne Treblespiral was also an absolute dish.
That ass would not survive today.
thats a double
which is odd because she did nude scenes elsewhere
I've got a triplehorn if you know what I mean
God I want to spit and slobber all over that waterlogged bussy
>be teenage me in the 90's
>go to see Waterkino with my bros because we don't fucking care what the media says, it looks rad
>spend movie noticing what a qt Tripplehorn is
>but it's PG-13 not R so I expect no skin to be shown
>get a full ass shot unexpectedly
Thank you based Costner
>YOU GOT NOTHIN I NEED
this scene made me the based khhv I am today
its a fun movie, i never understood the hate.
I love the Hollywood trope of the dishonest Arab scumbag. It's so primordial.
Such a fun trope. That guy in Waterworld is only screen for a bit, but he leaves such an impression. It's a great scene too to show you how the upbeat adventure music and the amiable thief is straight up left to be murdered by the Mariner in retaliation for taking his limes.
Arabs are dishonest anon they are a bunch of scumbag no good cheats
>let's be sure to cast a non white ugly person to play on the white audiences racism which will allow them to see Kevin Costner as dominant and good in the scene
eat shit, you know in your heart this is the way things were, are and should be.
It's an American movie and the American experience is that ugly non-whites aren't trustworthy
You're an american.
Go back to pol, gay.
>Go back to pol, gay.
Is pol right there, right now? Have you looked under you bed for this pol character? Are you crying right now? Urine running down your leg because le evil boogeyman won't agree with you gay retarded bullshit?
Touch grass and have a nice day
Who was in the wrong? A trade's a trade afterall
>The polar ice caps have melted
are the polar caps really enough ice to cover all land mass if melted?
should i take scuba diving lessons to continue watching kino underwater?
They certainly thought so in the 90s.
Nah, nowhere close. They've melted completely in the past.
just watch Conan el nino del futuro oy presantamos el fin del industria abuelo
now i will peep your kino
is this what /misc/ means about "dishonest filmmaking"?
they exploded before they made contact
interesting I didn't know ubisoft did effects on this movie
why did all the jetskis just blow up before ever hitting one another was there a bomb there or something
Yes, the Mariner had attached C4 with detonators that he'd found from the "old world" and triggered them right before the impact.
it wasn't a flop that is a myth
it made money
the universal theme park attraction for it still operates which wouldn't happen for a flop
Calling Waterworld a flop is misusing the term. Flops are movies that lose money because no one goes to see them. But people did go to see Waterworld. It opened at #1 domestically and was one of the highest-grossing films that year. By any normal measure it had a very respectable showing. The problem, of course, is that it cost so goddamn much that it need to be one of the most successful films of all time to really offset its budget. So it was not an *immediately* profitable film. But it did eventually make some profit because, again, it didn't actually bomb.
Waterworld's worldwide gross exceeded its budget even if you include marketing costs and yes before you start screeching I know the studios split the receipts with the theaters but the point is that if you look at films that *actually* bombed their gross was a mere fraction of its costs. Ishtar grossed about 1/4 of its budget. Cutthroat Island grossed about 1/5th of its budget. Pluto Nash grossed less than 1/10. Waterword is more on the level of something like Blade Runner 2049 where people did go see it and it did have some legs but didn't become the huge phenomenon it needed to be to offset its massive cost (2049 is a much better film but I'm just talking about money here).
Anyway, I'm sorry for the blogpost but this is a pet peave of mine. I was fucking there. People liked Waterworld fine, they just didn't love it. This idea that it was playing to empty theaters and no one saw it is bullshit. IT WAS THE BIGGEST MOVIE IN THE COUNTRY AT ONE POINT. This is fucking revisionist history and it pisses me off.
This is correct. Another thing is it's widely known as a flop because of the early coverage by magazines and journos that were mad they weren't allowed on or near set again after theu wrote disparaging things. After that it was hit piece after hit piece. See Kotaku/Nintendo recently for the same kind of behavior. They were told to fuck off and couldn't cope.
It's actually exactly what the ((media)) tried to do to Cameron when he was making Titanic except it literally became the most successful film of all time so they all had to eat shit. I don't know why they choose certain projects to sabotage pre-emptively but I suspect it has something to do with the director being dismissive of reporters and not doing the usual media bullshit. Costner and Cameron can both be a little prickly.
I remember. Siskel and Ebert both famously said it was gonna be one of the biggest flops of all time.
Oooh, makes sense
Waterworld also comes from a time where movies had some other built in revenue. The cable airing rights for example, those helped get Waterworld into the black as well. It actually did well ratings wise on TV too, which kept it in a lot of cable rotations. VHS rentals also helped cover it's losses.
This stuff does not exist anymore in the same way it used to. So when people compare box office it does need to pointed out the era of time its from. Ghostbusters 2 for example was heavily sought after before the movie even came out, there was a bidding war over its TV airing rights. ABC's two night event for Waterworld drew in big ratings, this may well have cost ABC 2 million to do that.
They didn't want the saves or for it to look like they were right next to a land mass. That said, there are indeed locations in the world where you could have filmed right next to land. Someone one time posted examples of how you could get the 180 appearance of open calm ocean from various places. What happened was hollywood. The production was determined to avoid it being an "overseas" shoot. And it being in hawaii, it technically was not. For all legal and tax purposes, it was an american production. This obviously ended up fucking them rather than helping them. They should have done a location shoot somewhere else with rotateable sets like you say and it could have ended up saving the production 10-30m dollars.
What are you, some former 90s film producer?
Sort of, I've worked on a few productions here and there, nothing as big as waterworld. I was lucky enough to do a production on the universal back lot once.
>Waterworld also comes from a time where movies had some other built in revenue.
I'm not from the US but wasn't Waterworld one of the main attractions at Universal Florida that lasted like 20 years? They probably got some revenue from that too.
That made it a valuable IP. As far the studio making money off that, it's not the same.
It was a profound failure in everyone's minds before it was even released. Kevin Costner was bland wholesome middle American everyman personified. That was the role he filled in the American psyche. You can't tear him out of that context and put in him the middle of some weird steampunk apocalyptic ocean future with dreads and gills and shit. Wtf. Shit I'm getting angry just thinking about that betrayal of American innocence.
America is not an identity or even a singular culture.
It used to be before we redefined American as "anyone who manages to get through the border"
Wow holy fag alert lmao. It is literally a monoculture, moron. That's why it's considered a melting pot as opposed to a mosaic model of assimilation.
daily reminder that the chuds at rotten tomato gave the postman 8%
>Inb4 waterworld is better
doesn't mean that postman is a bad movie
I actually haven't seen it since I first saw it in theaters. I didn't love it, but I've been planning on watching it again one day.
It's good fren. One of the only post apocalyptic movies that has a group of people that only allows people in based on their race. Let's be realistic in a post ap scenario shit like thisnwould by highly likely.
Seeing it as an adult will be like seeing it for the first time anyways, so I'm looking forward to watching it soon.
True just watched lawrence of Arabia as an adult holy kino. Made me open up a whole can of other old kinos on Tubi.
>Lawrence of Arabia
That's the exact kind of film that I love watching when I've got time to myself. Sip on an Old Fashioned while kicking the feet up and watching on location kino.
The cuckold subplot was unnecessary.
>doesn't mean that postman is a bad movie
It kinda is tho.
the underwater city was cool
Great miniature work.
Is he /ourguy/?
He doesn't have the yellow fever apparently.
anon wouldnt turn down pussy ina billion years
You underestimate the power of autism
The Postman had this same shit is this just his fetish or something?
wisely dodged some nasty STDs
Outside of the most obvious additions to the Ulysses cut, the one that stood out to me the most was seeing children in the Deez, I don't remember that in the theatrical. Probably a sensitive choice considering how the mariner blew up the entire thing.
what happened to black people in water world?
They filmed on the ocean, so they could only cast people who could swim.
then explain the mermaid
They couldn't swim so they drown. This is canon, btw. I'm not making this shit up. Kevin Costner explained it during a Yellowstone interview.
Serious question do black people not have good builds for swimming? Seems weird they dominate the running Olympics but they're never in the swim running.
I've heard explanations and all of them are "systemic racism" as to why they can't swim. Aren't public pools a thing in bad parts of town?
For most humans, swimming is instinctual
Yeah, I guess you're right. I watch Survivor with the missus and we're consistently surprised when a black contestant can't swim well/at all. I always thought it was just a funny joke.
Blacks mostly have little tissue body fat, they are all muscle and bone, no natural buoyancy. I am white but was extremely skinny as a kid, I had the same problem, never "learned" to swim.
Also Jack Black is the pilot
>a whole theatre of people watch a movie
>they all enjoy it
>as they walk out, a newspaper stand shows a headline about the movie saying it wasn't 'cost effective'
>the moviegoers start spitting out their popcorn and jeering "oh that movie blew actually"
This is not a thing that happens.
>equality is great! everyone should be treated exactly the same!
>but actually we need to treat everyone differently if we're to achieve equity, which is even better!
Never underestimate the power of the media
Oh shit, the little girl was Deb in Napoleon Dynamite.
Oh wow. I never noticed
That attack on the atoll at the beginning is one of the coolest action scenes ever put to film. I need to watch a Making Of of this movie some time.
It's even longer in the Ulysses Cut. Good shit.
>that monologue about overpopulation and the villains being the church of constrant growth or whatever
They came so close to saying we need third worlders to stop reproducing
Does the EC show how the Deacon lost his eye?
No, bit there's an extended scene of him trying the false eye that's painted for him and asking one of the kids how it looks.
You mean when his ship blows up in the atoll attack? It's the same in theatrical and UC, no added scenes there.
What do they eat? How do they get vitamin C?
>They just get scurvy
They grow fruit trees, which is why dirt is so valuable. Costner's character starts out with a lime tree and then buys a tomato plant later on.
Best movie of 1995
>scene where he collects the pee from the mom and daughter and drinks it, rubbing his gums with every drop
>"why don't you just run the sea water through a filter and drink that?"
>"shut the fuck up"
Basically got dogpiled by the press because not liking Kevin Costner was in at the time. At worst it's a mid-tier blockbuster with some impressive sets and stunt work. Doesn't deserve to be considered "bad" at all.
It's still a shitty movie, even the Odyssey cut.
people in the 90s were retarded like that
we were getting unmitigated kino after kino and nobody gave a shit or noticed and reviewers were different breed and they were le critical stuck up gays