How was this allowed to happen? This just feels like one step behind nepotism
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How was this allowed to happen? This just feels like one step behind nepotism
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>What the heck having experience in the lower rungs of the industry opens up doors to get your own projects done in the future
Truly insightful OP, wait til you find out about water being wet next
Ackshually water makes things wet but it is not wet itself
Most of these shows, bar regular show, are just reskinned versions of the older material.
Experience in what dude? Those cartoons aren't getting better, they are getting worse. Nobody cares about "experience" in mutual flattery
Yeah it looks cool because you want to get a show too
The Cinemaphile circlejerk is not an accurate barometer of the shows' quality
Why don't you go back there Russiagay
Lmao just look at that shit with your eyes, you can't Emperor's New Clothes your way to convincing anybody that recent cartoons haven't failed. You have already failed to do that
Kinda cool to look at, there more?
I hate how Hilda is the best show there not because it's legitimately amazing, but because all the other shows on the entire picrel are just bad or were good and then shit the bed. i actually want to watch amphibia but i'm scared it will be good and then ruined as time goes on
Hilda is shit, even Regular Show's worst seasons were better
Why do most of these shows, again bar regular show, have troony slop? I also noticed that a lot of these shows have a hate boner for Russia (Rebecca sugar)
nepotism =/= hiring people you've worked with before
>hiring your friends is not favoritism or nepotism
your friends is not favoritism or nepotism
It's not when that friend is shown to be competent. most people on OP's pic made successful or well liked shows.
Most of these shows become awful after a season or two, if they even make it past the first season
>person themselves to be competent in their work
>wow, we should give this person bigger better work so they can use their competence to its fullest extent
>anon thinks this is le bad.
Except only a select few are actually competent in story telling. The rest don’t know how to keep a show relevant for more than one season
But then that's a different argument
My argument is that they are only hired because they are friends, not because they are competent.
Skyler Page was hired because he was a schizo
They are hired because they have experience working on a cartoon. Not because they are friends. Sure, some of them probably became friends, but most definitely not all of them. We know this because we sometimes catch glimpses of them shit-talking each other. This idea that they are all close friends is this parasocial relationship you've created with them where you perceive them as some tight clique of kids sitting at a lunch table you're not invited to. When really they are just all co-workers with their own opinions on each other they mostly keep to themselves.
say what? hiring friends is literally not a meritocracy
GAAAAAAAASP YOU MEAN THEY DON'T JUST GET RANDOM PEOPLE FROM THE STREET TO MAKE WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE?
A homeless man could write a more compelling story than Rebecca sugar
>played a homeless busker in the Xmas episode of Amphibia
Sounds like she's got storytelling down to a tee.
Goes back way further than that.
>JG Quintel - Camp Lazlo
>Thurop Van Orman - PPG
>C.H. Greenblatt - Billy and Mandy
>Maxwell Atoms - Cow & Chicken
>Craig McCracken - Dexter's Lab
I'd be interested in seeing one of these family trees for Avatar the Last Airbender.
Shouldn't the woman who made Inside Job be on here? Thought she came from Gravity Falls and Hirsch recommended her to Netflix.
Steven Universe is better than Ren & Stimpy
>This just feels like one step behind nepotism
It's literally just nepotism, what do you mean?
This has always happened, dickhead
Hillenburg, Povenmire and Jeff Marsh worked on Rocko before creating their own shows
Except they made original shows, not the same DEEP LORE slop over and over gain
Pretty sure the latter two's later works eventually included "lore". Also where was the deep lore in Clarence?
The only "lore" Clarence had were theories about the OTGW connection and that kid that showed up on Clarence's dream
Looks like Evolution branching out.
The Alex Hirsch line is the most based group on that entire chart.
You can do something similar with anime.
Specifically with Topcraft.
Topcraft (Nausicaa) gave birth to Walt Disney Animation Japan (many Disney DTV cheapquels), Studio Ghibli (My Neighbor Totoro, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke), and GAINAX (Neon Genesis Evangelion, Gurren Lagann, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt).
Walt Disney Animation Japan would later be disbanded and many of its animators moving on to The Answer Studio (Your Name., Weathering With You, Suzume; all coproduced with CoMix Wave). Many Ghibli animators would go on to start their own studio with Studio Ponoc (Mary and The Witch's Flower), with some going with CoMix Wave or Studio Chizu (Wolf Children, Mirai, BELLE).
Many ex-GAINAX people, including Hideaki Anno, would go start Studio Khara (Rebuild of Evangelion), while others would go to TRIGGER (Kill La Kill, Little Witch Academia, BNA).
The thing to remember is that a lot of these guys worked on their own shows while also working on their friend’s shows. This is how Rebecca sugar worked on adventure time before she started Steven universe. All of these guys moved from show to show like nomads because they were all friends.
>and GAINAX (Neon Genesis Evangelion, Gurren
Lagann, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt).
And GAINAX begat Trigger
>In order to get a chance to make your own show you need to have experience working on other shows
Oh no, the horror. Why do people keep acting like this is some big reveal when it's exactly what you'd expect from any industry? In order to get a more important role in the industry (in this case showrunner) you need to have experience working for other showrunners first.
>Hmmmm ever noticed how the vast majority of high ranking military officers used to be lower ranking military officers before they were promoted? Hmmm? Nepotism much?
That's how moronic you sound.
Excerpt the military officers worked to get to their position, they didn’t write gay fan fiction in order to get a job or be buddies with the writers
>they didn’t write gay fan fiction in order to get a job or be buddies with the writers
Well no shit, being in the military is a different occupation.
To be a writer or work in media, you have to have connections. Most of these guys met in Cal Tech and kept hiring each other regardless of how talented they are. There is no merit there.
So there would have been merit if they had instead hired a homeless guy they did not know off the street?
Yes, at least he would bring something original than making all of the female characters lesbian or having a realistic depiction of a panic attack.
You guys are equally moronic. I mean, here's a thing too. Some of these showrunners were actual animators at one point. Putting their time in. Even though the Hollywood LA Crowd is pretty insufferable, the reality is that it's either them, the Texas union, or Canadians. Aussies got a splash, but for whatever reason not really Europeans.
Otherwise it's just son-of-b***h bastard-man do not redeemers who just make ESL Bollywood tripe. Or Chinamen ripping off the last hit.
You’re forgetting Japanese animators, and even South Korean ones, where most western cartoons send their works to be worked on
I thought the Koreans haven't been a thing really since they peaked in the 90s (unless you're counting 3D) and Japan just decided to do its own thing.
And nobody knows what the frick China is doing
Western “”””””””animators”””””””” outsource most of their work to Korean and Chinese sweatshops
Still? Thought if you just needed lines and color on paper it was Indians because the Koreans are definitely the largest CGI/3D Animated producers.
I thought it was India for 3D, as most Marvel capeshit VFX are outsourced there.
Korea is the largest producers for outsourced 2D.
Well, guess you learn something new every day.
Meanwhile a lot of Japan studios, especially MAPPA, outsource their work to literal Twitter users.
Writing gay fan fiction is literally their job though.
There are millions of Twitter users who do this for free thougheveralbeit
So what was gay about Hilda?
the show
julia pott worked on adventure time?
It's because they're superior.
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Animation has essentially been like this from the start of the industry.
Hugh Harman, Rudy Ising, Friz Freleng, Ub Iwerks, and Carman Maxwell all worked at Laugh-O-Gram.
The Fleischers, Walter Lantz, and Paul Terry worked at Bray Productions.
The various studios later started by the people in those two groups basically dominated animation until the 1960s.
damn, it's almost like artists with industry experience and seniority often use their shot to make something creative
weird
That's basically how the industry works. Normally you start out working in a lower position for someone else's show, gain experience through various leadership positions, then through a combination of proving your talent and making connections with fellow creators and execs, you're able to pitch your own show.
Knowing the right people is half of if not more than what determines what gets made or what roles get filled a lot of the time.