There's multiple plotlines. One is kino, another is dogshit garbage and the other is even worse. You will never experience a stronger whiplash when it comes to quality change while watching a series. It's only worth your time if you are a heavy consumer of television. Would probably recommend waiting until season 2 reviews before starting it though.
I won't argue it was some great thing, but the first season had forward momentum and at least attempted a nior detective story. Every element of the first season made sense and was connected. The second season was just Deviant Art OCs being cool and doing cool things and having galaxy spanning love that was really just summer camp. Very disconnected from the grit of the first season.
I'm like 3/4 the way through it and it's ok. I read the first Foundation book a million years ago and don't remember much of it, it feels like the show is going in a weird literal magic powers bullshit angle which I don't remember from the books at all.
the books have people with telepathy, called mentalics. It's kinda weird, if I remember correctly, when they communicate with each other they use only tiny gestures. It would probably look retarded on TV. >through subtle facial cues and fleeting micro expressions. To where they could mask their true discourse behind a completely banal conversation that any onlooker would ignore, but the real communication was right there.
https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Foundation
Asimov's books even end with humanity merging with a planet-sized telepathic superorganism to bring about a galaxy-wide superorganism to unite all life or some shit.
telepathy (and other psychic powers) was stupidly popular in 50s and 60s sci-fi, and it always annoys me when it pops up. they seemed to really think psychologists were mere years away from unlocking vast amounts of hidden brain power.
It’s painful because like other anons said the whole Empire stuff is fucking amazing, great acting and writing. Then the black chick on the dusty planet is just kind of stupid, and black girl on the Luddite water world is like something out of a YA novel.
Just watch the empire arc and ignore everything else. Most of it is irrelevant to it anyway. Lee Pace is superb and the material in his narrative is top tier. The rest is middling to bad.
ep 1 is deceitfully decent. 1 and 2 are weak but not horrendous. still, after ep 5 onwards it is completely unwatchable dogshit
not even the magnificent lee pace could get me to finish this shit
The weirdest thing about this show is that the writers clearly think the Galactic Empire is a bad idea, period. So the Foundation existing to create a Second Empire is nonsensical.
Book: >central premise is that the great sweep of galactic history can be accurately predicted through psychohistory >individual actions are insignificant and can't significantly alter the course of events >if the right knowledge is amassed in the right place and a series of strategic moves are made then the galaxy can be rebuilt in centuries, not millennia >'violence is the last refuge of the incompetent'
TV show: >psychohistory can seemingly accurately predict individual actions and events, like long-lost 10000 year-old warships teleporting into the right place at the right time >entire plan wholly dependent on the actions of one or two chosen-ones >deus ex machina everywhere, black woman magic powers go brrrrrrr >solve all their problems with violence
They really boiled the plot down from "While you can't predict what one person will do, you can predict what large masses will do and I will use this knowledge to save the universe" to "I have predicted what this one black lady will do and this is how she will save the universe"
Kino Empire scenes, worth watching for that, but as other anons said the main girl is a horrible actor. They spent a shitload of money on it too and it shows in the sets/design.
if you read the books, they're basically nothing like them. pretty shit overall but Lee Pace gives an outstanding performance.
a few Cleon scenes are good but overall the show is trash.
The most disgusting piece of shit you have ever experienced except maybe the literal rape scene they put in Star Trek Discovery, if you are an Asimov fan.
A complete nothing burger with a plot about as sensible as the average Borderlands story if you never read Asimov.
The funny thing is that the only good content is the OC that's not from the book.
The Empire content is by far the best part and I feel like if they just focused on that and made a different show separate from the "Foundation" IP it would have been better than the Foundation books ever were.
It's now in this weird limbo where the show is actually held back by the book while the book readers aren't satisfied with it anyway because it deviates so much from the original story yet it's still limited by the book's premise.
It contains some of the best television this decade but also literal 1/10 cringe inducing scenes and just bore snoozefest.
If you're the type of person where just a couple of absolutely brilliant scenes and moments can redeem an otherwise "ok" show then you'll love it like me. If you have a specific baseline of quality that needs to be consistent then you won't enjoy it.
I think it's the best Apple TV production so far, and Apple TV has been pretty good. I rate the show a 9/10 but I'm heavily biased because I'm always swayed by good original writing and unique concepts that are properly worked out.
There's multiple plotlines. One is kino, another is dogshit garbage and the other is even worse. You will never experience a stronger whiplash when it comes to quality change while watching a series. It's only worth your time if you are a heavy consumer of television. Would probably recommend waiting until season 2 reviews before starting it though.
Stopped after, like, 3 eps. I love sci-fi too.
Altered Carbon too. Whiplash.
altered carbon was dogshit from the start just different colour dogshit
I won't argue it was some great thing, but the first season had forward momentum and at least attempted a nior detective story. Every element of the first season made sense and was connected. The second season was just Deviant Art OCs being cool and doing cool things and having galaxy spanning love that was really just summer camp. Very disconnected from the grit of the first season.
The books were pulpy fun. They managed to make it gay as hell
Empire scenes and ones with the Chernobyl guy are kino and the rest is black queen bullshit.
brownpeopleslop carried by whitepeople's charisma and ability
one of the most pozzed trash i have ever seen, only good parts are with the white guys
I'm like 3/4 the way through it and it's ok. I read the first Foundation book a million years ago and don't remember much of it, it feels like the show is going in a weird literal magic powers bullshit angle which I don't remember from the books at all.
Tricking populations into thinking that tech is magic is definitely a part of the first book though.
the books have people with telepathy, called mentalics. It's kinda weird, if I remember correctly, when they communicate with each other they use only tiny gestures. It would probably look retarded on TV.
>through subtle facial cues and fleeting micro expressions. To where they could mask their true discourse behind a completely banal conversation that any onlooker would ignore, but the real communication was right there.
https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Foundation
Asimov's books even end with humanity merging with a planet-sized telepathic superorganism to bring about a galaxy-wide superorganism to unite all life or some shit.
telepathy (and other psychic powers) was stupidly popular in 50s and 60s sci-fi, and it always annoys me when it pops up. they seemed to really think psychologists were mere years away from unlocking vast amounts of hidden brain power.
It’s painful because like other anons said the whole Empire stuff is fucking amazing, great acting and writing. Then the black chick on the dusty planet is just kind of stupid, and black girl on the Luddite water world is like something out of a YA novel.
Just watch the empire arc and ignore everything else. Most of it is irrelevant to it anyway. Lee Pace is superb and the material in his narrative is top tier. The rest is middling to bad.
It has great production value but is boring
a bizarre combo of extreme kino and complete shit
ep 1 is deceitfully decent. 1 and 2 are weak but not horrendous. still, after ep 5 onwards it is completely unwatchable dogshit
not even the magnificent lee pace could get me to finish this shit
The weirdest thing about this show is that the writers clearly think the Galactic Empire is a bad idea, period. So the Foundation existing to create a Second Empire is nonsensical.
Book:
>central premise is that the great sweep of galactic history can be accurately predicted through psychohistory
>individual actions are insignificant and can't significantly alter the course of events
>if the right knowledge is amassed in the right place and a series of strategic moves are made then the galaxy can be rebuilt in centuries, not millennia
>'violence is the last refuge of the incompetent'
TV show:
>psychohistory can seemingly accurately predict individual actions and events, like long-lost 10000 year-old warships teleporting into the right place at the right time
>entire plan wholly dependent on the actions of one or two chosen-ones
>deus ex machina everywhere, black woman magic powers go brrrrrrr
>solve all their problems with violence
The Empire plotline is OC and it's great though.
In the third foundation book it does come down to one person because of the mutant king, but it was confounding variable not down to psychohistory
Good post lost in a sea of shillposts
They really boiled the plot down from "While you can't predict what one person will do, you can predict what large masses will do and I will use this knowledge to save the universe" to "I have predicted what this one black lady will do and this is how she will save the universe"
The Emperor's Peace
The best parts are the Emperors ones, which are also not present in the books.
Black and queer quotas
Kino Empire scenes, worth watching for that, but as other anons said the main girl is a horrible actor. They spent a shitload of money on it too and it shows in the sets/design.
>apple
I hope you enjoy gargling cock.
1/2 Lee pace kino with robot mommy
>1/2 brown people desecrating the plot from the book
if only those proportions were true
it isn't even close. 1/10th Lee Pace kino 9/10th add on brown people shit
if you read the books, they're basically nothing like them. pretty shit overall but Lee Pace gives an outstanding performance.
a few Cleon scenes are good but overall the show is trash.
It must have cost a fortune but it's so boring
The most disgusting piece of shit you have ever experienced except maybe the literal rape scene they put in Star Trek Discovery, if you are an Asimov fan.
A complete nothing burger with a plot about as sensible as the average Borderlands story if you never read Asimov.
The funny thing is that the only good content is the OC that's not from the book.
The Empire content is by far the best part and I feel like if they just focused on that and made a different show separate from the "Foundation" IP it would have been better than the Foundation books ever were.
It's now in this weird limbo where the show is actually held back by the book while the book readers aren't satisfied with it anyway because it deviates so much from the original story yet it's still limited by the book's premise.
It contains some of the best television this decade but also literal 1/10 cringe inducing scenes and just bore snoozefest.
If you're the type of person where just a couple of absolutely brilliant scenes and moments can redeem an otherwise "ok" show then you'll love it like me. If you have a specific baseline of quality that needs to be consistent then you won't enjoy it.
I think it's the best Apple TV production so far, and Apple TV has been pretty good. I rate the show a 9/10 but I'm heavily biased because I'm always swayed by good original writing and unique concepts that are properly worked out.