no.
"Goth" was never really a thing (at least in music - that's called postpunk or deathrock) beyond 1979-1988. After Beetlejuice came out it was entirely co-opted by media and commercialization and never recovered. 2nd gen from 1988 - 1994 was a meaningless, consumerist wasteland for teenagers until the midwest Emo dominated.
Most goth depictions now are parodies or allusions to second wave goths scared of Reagan's America, watching their older brothers/sisters die of AIDS or drugs and became strait edge or grunge.
Now, it's merely a 'look', not much different than pretending Halloween is every day.
>goth was never really a thing
You are a fricking moron. There was literally an entire subculture that lasted over 30 years and still has pocket remnants to this day.
ALL gothic bands hate to be called goth
not even that crazy Nazi Siouxie Sioux would agree with the moniker. It was a label pushed on people who dressed different. It's like saying all DnD players in the late 70s were all Satanists. No one was fricking Goth. Everyone dressed that way, from glam rockers to Flock of Seagulls, to Adam Ant. Acts like Kiss and Alice Cooper also predate all that shit.
Punks and teens dressed to imitate other popular and underground groups around the Batcave or the LA Pasadena mafia. Many people tried to make it a 'thing' but you can't herd cats.
The idea that there was a monolith of 'goths' before Tim Burton and other media exploitation made it superficially popular for maybe one summer and embarrassed the older crowd to death is pretty fricking ignorant.
Punk was and still is a thing and you could sort-of say Goth is a short lived type of punk some people bought into before they realized how awful it was (much like Ska) but even then you're stretching things.
Back in the day, if you liked the cure it didn't make you 'goth', it just meant you liked the cure.
I don't care if it's style over substance, 1980s goth girls were hot and I wish more women would dress like that in the same manner I would want women to dress like in 1940s.
I think youre just generalising from jour own limited experience
Most people will tell you goths and darkers were a thing for decades with strong scenes in 80is and 90is and 00s, because we all, like, knew them and saw them and hung out and occasionaly fricked and so on, because they were just there, heaps of them
And i saw one yesterday, and she was cute
I'm not saying that. If you went to a Madonna concert you'd see girls in blonde wigs and pointy hand-made bras. It didn't mean they went to class like that or thought of it as a lifestyle. The whole goth thing was completely invented by media and hyperbolic journalists making shit up. A bunch of kids smeared their lips with lipstick and put a lot of aquanet in their dyed black hair purely to have fun at a Cure concert. It happened at every T.Rex and David Bowie event, too, but no one lied and claimed a bunch of 'glams' were taking over the mall.
Youre wrong tho, goths were a thing, there were whole packs of them and goth clubs in every major city
It was just a subculture with a lot of overlap, there was stuff from death metal to industrial to grunge all meshed in with lots of 'look at mee ima satanist' shit and so on, but it was real, so were the drugs and sex and binge drinking
that's punk
Punk is probably everlasting, it STARTED corrupted by trying to sell boutique looks with a prefabricated band. It survived that origin and kept going until the capitalist machine could no longer keep up or fight the leftism, anarchism and shit. Today, lots of punks STILL adhere strictly to DIY and steal their music.
Goth was never like this. It was a sensitive and romantic trend in punk (think literary romanticism, and love of hammer horror films) that couldn't survive Hot Topic, Tim Burton, or Jhonen Vasquez. It would need a giant revival that isn't somehow stuck in the past and Emo didn't do that. I'd say it's completely dead.
However, this look
is ancient shit. It's called Vamp and it's much older and much more long lasting and meaningful than being 'goth'.
too many examples of anti-capitalist modern punk to count. If you're just talking music there are still acts that sound like the 70s punk rockers, if it's ideology leftism is alive more than it's ever been.
Voiceless? Politically impotent? Yeah, but that was true when anarchists were bombing the founding fathers.
>Punk is probably everlasting, it STARTED corrupted by trying to sell boutique looks with a prefabricated band. It survived that origin and kept going until the capitalist machine could no longer keep up or fight the leftism, anarchism and shit.
I'm with you on all of the goth stuff, but don't delude yourself regarding punks. Punk is fricking dead and didn't survive Hot Topic either. Most modern punks are rich kids looking for something to be legitimately mad at and coming up empty.
it might be an ideal no one can survive under in capitalist realism, but if we're talking music (goth has no 'music', every band or act the early punk romantics liked or gravitated toward would never allow themselves to be called goth and no teen from that era in that 'scene' could ever agree what was or wasn't part of 'it' whatever it was).
I think the difference is a bit stark. Punk has the Ramones, for example, that wrote punk songs about punk music. Same with the Jam, the Clash, etc. No 'gothic rock' or 'death rock' or 'post punk' act ever had a song similar to that or even attempted to build some kind of audience solidarity or cohesion. That's why I'm saying 'goth wasn't real', it depended on too many separate genres (glam, classic rock, hardcore, punk, synth rock) and had no ethos. Punk had bands proud to be punk (still proud) and an ethos and even an ideology to some extent (from vague leftism to serious and well researched anarchism) in addition to social critique newwave/post punk never had.
I think it's a no true Scottsman problem. Sure, maybe no punk band or subset ever lived up to the ideals of punk but Goth had no ideals and was invented to sell movies and clothes and has nothing 'beyond' that unless you want to conflate it with MUCH later Emo.
I miss pinning my ex down, and licking her armpit stubble as she tried flailing to get away saying "STOP YOU FREAK WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH YOUUU"
Ahh nostalgia
>long winded paragraphs about the nuances of goth vs punk
tl;dr who cares. only the biggest losers care about this. might as well debate the intricacies of star wars novels from the 80s
not really
even punk is exaggerated and partly media invented to sell shitty products, but goth was never 'real' in the sense that teens in the 1980s ever thought of themselves that way.
Punks are hard to sell to due to their anti-capitalism and propensity to steal. So they tried to invent a more complacent consumer by claiming a big fashion/music trend was unified and needed you to buy a belted dress at Hot Topic.
And nothing of value was lost when people stopped falling for the snake oil. Vamps, fetish leather, and dark fashion existed far before and will always exist. No one's taking anything away from your little erection, I'm simply pointing out this shit wasn't real.
When is the grunge's turn for stupid romanticism? > it's so relevant because capitalism and society and stuff like that > Captain Marvel flies in space > jeans hotpants and pantyhose pornhub category
not sure romanticism ever concerns itself with politics or society itself. That's part of the problem. It's pure escapism and avoiding didactism.
In favor of ghosts and swamps and lightning flashes in the dark.
this is goth?
no.
"Goth" was never really a thing (at least in music - that's called postpunk or deathrock) beyond 1979-1988. After Beetlejuice came out it was entirely co-opted by media and commercialization and never recovered. 2nd gen from 1988 - 1994 was a meaningless, consumerist wasteland for teenagers until the midwest Emo dominated.
Most goth depictions now are parodies or allusions to second wave goths scared of Reagan's America, watching their older brothers/sisters die of AIDS or drugs and became strait edge or grunge.
Now, it's merely a 'look', not much different than pretending Halloween is every day.
>goth was never really a thing
You are a fricking moron. There was literally an entire subculture that lasted over 30 years and still has pocket remnants to this day.
did you even read his post?
ALL gothic bands hate to be called goth
not even that crazy Nazi Siouxie Sioux would agree with the moniker. It was a label pushed on people who dressed different. It's like saying all DnD players in the late 70s were all Satanists. No one was fricking Goth. Everyone dressed that way, from glam rockers to Flock of Seagulls, to Adam Ant. Acts like Kiss and Alice Cooper also predate all that shit.
Punks and teens dressed to imitate other popular and underground groups around the Batcave or the LA Pasadena mafia. Many people tried to make it a 'thing' but you can't herd cats.
The idea that there was a monolith of 'goths' before Tim Burton and other media exploitation made it superficially popular for maybe one summer and embarrassed the older crowd to death is pretty fricking ignorant.
Punk was and still is a thing and you could sort-of say Goth is a short lived type of punk some people bought into before they realized how awful it was (much like Ska) but even then you're stretching things.
Back in the day, if you liked the cure it didn't make you 'goth', it just meant you liked the cure.
I don't care if it's style over substance, 1980s goth girls were hot and I wish more women would dress like that in the same manner I would want women to dress like in 1940s.
based as frick
but women have always dressed like this
I think youre just generalising from jour own limited experience
Most people will tell you goths and darkers were a thing for decades with strong scenes in 80is and 90is and 00s, because we all, like, knew them and saw them and hung out and occasionaly fricked and so on, because they were just there, heaps of them
And i saw one yesterday, and she was cute
I'm not saying that. If you went to a Madonna concert you'd see girls in blonde wigs and pointy hand-made bras. It didn't mean they went to class like that or thought of it as a lifestyle. The whole goth thing was completely invented by media and hyperbolic journalists making shit up. A bunch of kids smeared their lips with lipstick and put a lot of aquanet in their dyed black hair purely to have fun at a Cure concert. It happened at every T.Rex and David Bowie event, too, but no one lied and claimed a bunch of 'glams' were taking over the mall.
Youre wrong tho, goths were a thing, there were whole packs of them and goth clubs in every major city
It was just a subculture with a lot of overlap, there was stuff from death metal to industrial to grunge all meshed in with lots of 'look at mee ima satanist' shit and so on, but it was real, so were the drugs and sex and binge drinking
that's punk
Punk is probably everlasting, it STARTED corrupted by trying to sell boutique looks with a prefabricated band. It survived that origin and kept going until the capitalist machine could no longer keep up or fight the leftism, anarchism and shit. Today, lots of punks STILL adhere strictly to DIY and steal their music.
Goth was never like this. It was a sensitive and romantic trend in punk (think literary romanticism, and love of hammer horror films) that couldn't survive Hot Topic, Tim Burton, or Jhonen Vasquez. It would need a giant revival that isn't somehow stuck in the past and Emo didn't do that. I'd say it's completely dead.
However, this look
is ancient shit. It's called Vamp and it's much older and much more long lasting and meaningful than being 'goth'.
Punk is a 1970s thing. Everything that followed is commercialized crap.
too many examples of anti-capitalist modern punk to count. If you're just talking music there are still acts that sound like the 70s punk rockers, if it's ideology leftism is alive more than it's ever been.
Voiceless? Politically impotent? Yeah, but that was true when anarchists were bombing the founding fathers.
>this look is ancient shit
Yes, it's just a woman in lingerie. Women did that wear that for centuries.
>Punk is probably everlasting, it STARTED corrupted by trying to sell boutique looks with a prefabricated band. It survived that origin and kept going until the capitalist machine could no longer keep up or fight the leftism, anarchism and shit.
I'm with you on all of the goth stuff, but don't delude yourself regarding punks. Punk is fricking dead and didn't survive Hot Topic either. Most modern punks are rich kids looking for something to be legitimately mad at and coming up empty.
it might be an ideal no one can survive under in capitalist realism, but if we're talking music (goth has no 'music', every band or act the early punk romantics liked or gravitated toward would never allow themselves to be called goth and no teen from that era in that 'scene' could ever agree what was or wasn't part of 'it' whatever it was).
I think the difference is a bit stark. Punk has the Ramones, for example, that wrote punk songs about punk music. Same with the Jam, the Clash, etc. No 'gothic rock' or 'death rock' or 'post punk' act ever had a song similar to that or even attempted to build some kind of audience solidarity or cohesion. That's why I'm saying 'goth wasn't real', it depended on too many separate genres (glam, classic rock, hardcore, punk, synth rock) and had no ethos. Punk had bands proud to be punk (still proud) and an ethos and even an ideology to some extent (from vague leftism to serious and well researched anarchism) in addition to social critique newwave/post punk never had.
I think it's a no true Scottsman problem. Sure, maybe no punk band or subset ever lived up to the ideals of punk but Goth had no ideals and was invented to sell movies and clothes and has nothing 'beyond' that unless you want to conflate it with MUCH later Emo.
Goth was an English club scene, my guy. it lived and died at 69 Dean Street.
All you really need is a leather jacket and a pair of silver aviators.
im not goth or a girl but i just saw american beauty and i really liked it
I hate women
Based homosexual teenager.
interview with a vampire
this is a girl?
I see the nose but where are the khazar milkers
This is the stupidest pic I have ever seen
Armpit hair or pits with stubble drive me crazy. I like smooth pits as well, but that just does something to me.
I miss pinning my ex down, and licking her armpit stubble as she tried flailing to get away saying "STOP YOU FREAK WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH YOUUU"
Ahh nostalgia
armpit stubble is superior to both clean and hairy
I love all of them, but I think stubble is my favorite.
Very based
>kino body ruined by disgusting thigh tattoo
Why do women do this?
Same reason basedboys wear a marvel t-shirt. Compensating for a lack of personality.
this pic is calling to me so loudly
Would
This guy probably was/is drowning in goth girl pussy.
RawTime
>you will never perfect time travel, just so you can go back and marry Tiffy
Jubilee
Goth girls sound good on paper but they're all terrible human beings. The absolute scum of the earth.
HookupHotshot
The Hunger, at least until David Bowie’s part ends
I thought this was that murderer bridge lol.
>long winded paragraphs about the nuances of goth vs punk
tl;dr who cares. only the biggest losers care about this. might as well debate the intricacies of star wars novels from the 80s
not really
even punk is exaggerated and partly media invented to sell shitty products, but goth was never 'real' in the sense that teens in the 1980s ever thought of themselves that way.
Punks are hard to sell to due to their anti-capitalism and propensity to steal. So they tried to invent a more complacent consumer by claiming a big fashion/music trend was unified and needed you to buy a belted dress at Hot Topic.
And nothing of value was lost when people stopped falling for the snake oil. Vamps, fetish leather, and dark fashion existed far before and will always exist. No one's taking anything away from your little erection, I'm simply pointing out this shit wasn't real.
>another long winded gay explanation that i didn't read even 5 words of
lol can't make this shit up.
No one cares
yeah, but I don't care if you don't care (it's not for you, dipshit)
unironically did not read any of these words or see what the images were. thanks for the (you)s. hiding thread now
> Punks are hard to sell to due to their anti-capitalism and propensity to steal.
lmao
if you're not interested in hearing the details, then leave the thread. you're the reason why this site is shit.
>imagine living in the 90s, lying about liking goth rock just to squeeze goth Christina Hendricks breasts
>Goth Christina Hendricks
So there is a God
Yes.
>Black hair and black lipstick, dark eyeliner
>Giant ginger knockers with pink nipples
When is the grunge's turn for stupid romanticism?
> it's so relevant because capitalism and society and stuff like that
> Captain Marvel flies in space
> jeans hotpants and pantyhose pornhub category
not sure romanticism ever concerns itself with politics or society itself. That's part of the problem. It's pure escapism and avoiding didactism.
In favor of ghosts and swamps and lightning flashes in the dark.