Please... Christians and Muslims have a perfectly fine relationship.
We ALL know who hates both these groups and would make comments like this to spread dissent.
>antisemitic
This word existing is prejudice by garden gnomes against others. Why should they get their own special word that is above all else unacceptable in society?
I reject the Talmud.
[...]
[...]
Please... Christians and Muslims have a perfectly fine relationship.
We ALL know who hates both these groups and would make comments like this to spread dissent.
related is the patripassian/modalist heresy of Christ's eternal suffering as separate from/concurrent with the father's impassibility. so many heresies so little time
It's pretty simple my dude. You know when you're dreaming? Basically you control every being in your dreams. But it's still you controling them. You and them are the same. Same shit here in this "esoteric" trinity concept. Except you're god as well. Same as me. We're both god. We're stuck in this "dream" and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Why don't Christians just say god exists outside our universe and the logical properties of the divine aren't the same as our material logic but can be inferred from the Bible?
This is the best argument in my opinion, because even cosmologists can't confirm that the laws of physics are the same outside our universe or even outside or present epoch.
I'm pretty sure it's just how the Catholic church tried to differentiate itself from pagan heathen polytheism. They realized their own religion is polytheistic so they came up with the Trinity workaround to force it back into monotheism so they could tell pagans to shove their pantheons up their asses or whatever.
The different persons of the Trinity are literally named at the ending of the Gospel of Mark and the Holy Spirit and Messiah are alluded to several times throughout the Old Testament.
"The Trinity" as a term isn't used but Jesus talks about the relationship between himself, Yahweh and the Holy Spirit in a way where the Trinity is the logical conclusion of it.
You need to actually read the Bible. Just reading religion shitposts online does not convey how complex and strange a work it is.
Trinitarians literally had to invent shit up and put it into the text to justify their position (like the Johanine comma). Arianism has far more scriptural basis:
Numbers 23:19"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?"
Hosea 11:9 "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man -- the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."
1 Samuel 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."
John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Matthew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
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Anonymous
>Arianism
Arianism is founded on Jesus not being God which the Gospel of John contradicts "Before Abraham was, I am."
10 months ago
Anonymous
>"Before Abraham was, I am."
That just means his message was around before Abraham, ala the true worship of God, not that he's literally older than Abraham and thus God. Trinitarians are such a joke.
>Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
He's not saying literally Earth and the heavens or space will pass away, he's saying the temple will pass away but his words won't. The temple is where Heaven meets Earth.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If it was "his message" he would just say that, you're ignoring the very elaborate statement on Logos in the beginning of John that ties God to God's message.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If it was "his message" he would just say that,
He did…
The doctrine of the trinity is best described as a synthetic doctrine. It causes some confusion to talk about the doctrine as if it is an external concept that is endorsed by the Bible. More accurately, it is a doctrine that is synthesized from the various statements in the Bible about the persons of the Godhead.
The trinity is a leftover pagan ideal they merged with Christianity like other Gnostic crap to make it more acceptable to the Romans. There is no trinity, there is only one singular God, and Christ was his son.
It's trying to explain in simple terms a being that lives in between spaces and times. An entity that is both the substantive father and icarnate son simultaneously and lives in the maternal ether of essence as the holy ghost.
It's literally not convoluted unless you are a gay garden gnome or child molesting muslim. Constantine, The Prophecy, and even The Passion are all Biblically related kinos.
It's like Piccolo and Kami.
In the old testament God was flawed and evil. Which is why he murdered children with bears.
In order to achieve perfection God split off all the flawed and evil parts of himself and banished them to the earth. That's what Jesus was.
That's why Jesus claimed to be God, but didn't have God's full power. And why God stopped being a dick after the new testament.
When Jesus was killed God started to die because they're linked. In order to save himself he resurrected Jesus and pulled him back into heaven to keep this from happening again.
>Which is why he murdered children with bears.
he fucked up a few shitty teens with what may or not have been bears because they were talking madnasty shit about his prophet. god is not mocked. and your reactionary strain of gnosticism is just tired at this point
>seeing heretics try to compare their desert survival book to Chinese cartoons
The old heretics tried to ape Christianity, lost, and then retreated to China and tried to ape Buddhism.
it's like the MGS Lore
Solid Snake is a clone of big boss
Liquid Snake is a clone of big boss
Ocelot becomes possessed by Liquid Snake's arm after ge gets a transplant
yet these are different characters
there's a car.
the car contains an engine, a windshield, and a seat.
together these components are 'a car'.
the engine is not the windshield, the windshield is not the seat, the seat is not the engine.
it's not hard to grasp the nuance - christians are retarded and they came up with it, so of course it's easy.
i love how you can spend your entire life trying to wrap your head around this and feel like you understand it but you'll never truly 100% understand it. i get why religion is so powerful now.
>i love how you can spend your entire life trying to wrap your head around this and feel like you understand it but you'll never truly 100% understand it.
Almost as if it's nonsense
I'm an atheist and I've never gotten someone so worked up on this site when I was defending the notion of the trinity in my Catholic LARP. This adversary was an apex midwit operating on p a=a, b=b, c=c. The limitation of his logical parameters. So riled up was he that he frenzied and I decimated him with post after post and he kept coming back like a glutton for punishment. If his brain was a CPU it would have been overheating from the process load. It didn't even feel fair yet the amusement I derived was so great especially at not even being a believer in God. It was like arguing with a child about chirality. No matter what, he just didn't get it. I'm convinced the big brains used it as a filter for back in the Arian heresy days to keep out the midwits. The sub 90 IQ masses would listen to them because they don't question and know "dayum, dis bro smart". Meanwhile other 145 IQ geniuses capable of abstract thinking and understanding consubstansiality understood it indeed is possible for three distinct entities to be one yet separate. Bravo big brains, bravo, I deem the trinity as the most successful midwit filter of all time. What a marvel of intellectual engineering! We see pleb filters all the time but those are easy to craft, childsplay. But the midwit filter? Rare. Rare indeed. Hats off to my fellow big brains of the past. I know if they were alive today they would be right here on this site doing exactly what I do.
Ironic that emperor Justinian made worship of the trinity the law, which gave muslims and garden gnomes an excuse to kill chrisitians, because they claimed they'd become polytheists who worship multiple "Gods".
And this is why Islam is a fundamentally superior religion. Its conception of the universe and of one, indivisible God is logical and straightforward. Christianity gives you a contradiction and demands you believe it wholeheartedly. Muslims don't have to give pathetic excuses like "b-but it's not supposed to make sense!".
What's the best way to start believing that Christ is God? I read the whole bible and I wasn't convinced. I know that I need to believe unto the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, so how do I do that?
Go seek out a pastor/priest or w/e. Go to worship services. Trying reading a good study Bible and not just front to back; try and get a good study guide or reading plan. Maybe watch theology videos on youtube.
What's the best way to start believing that Christ is God? I read the whole bible and I wasn't convinced. I know that I need to believe unto the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, so how do I do that?
Someone explain to me how you reconcile the fact that the earliest dated christian texts are from 500/600 ad(no dead sea scroll copers, those are strictly judaic texts but judaic writings still only date to 1st century bc), that one of the core writers of the new testament never met jesus yet recounts his tale(with this writing dating centuries after like the previous point, but supposedly are the works of a man from 4-7 years after jesus crucifixion), how the old testament is rooted in canaanite and sumerian polytheistic beliefs, how the garden gnomes were never slaves in egypt but the egyptians lorded over the lands where the garden gnomes later would live, how thematically the story of jesus wasnt some new archetypal paradigm, that there had been similar stories even in the bronze age of death and rebirth and then ascension, and just how specifically you came to believe in god. Not how as in you read the bible and though "huh this makes sense", how as in literally you believe wholly in it with some sort of basis. Did you have some holy vision? How would you then discredit dmt which induces such profound visions simply because they simulate a serotonin dump, when its possible you had an endogenous serotonin dump or epileptic shock that spurred a vision?
Anon there is literally no historical basis in the claim of 500/600AD being the earliest christian records. None. That is beyond retarded. Rome was a fully Christianized state centuries before then. Even a sworn militant atheist would not challenge the claim that Christian texts date far more remotely than your claim.
Star Wars
The Last Temptation of Christ
I like Constantine.
The bible
Jesus el nino dios
This doesn't make sense. Literally christcucks trying to justify their retardedness
Drink camel piss, mudslime.
That's not very Christlike of you anon...
muslims live rent free in your empty head
I ponder them daily and they never fail to make me laugh.
Please... Christians and Muslims have a perfectly fine relationship.
We ALL know who hates both these groups and would make comments like this to spread dissent.
I'm going insane, is that the happy merchant silhouette?
It looks like an Ai generated version yeah
these are amazing even if they are completely unacceptable because antisemitic.
>antisemitic
This word existing is prejudice by garden gnomes against others. Why should they get their own special word that is above all else unacceptable in society?
I reject the Talmud.
based
muzzies are their attack dogs
>muzzies are their attack dogs
...you mean blacks?
them too
It's just not a transitive equality relation
Once you get it it literally makes more sense than the garden gnome/Muslim version God. If it has to be spelled out to you you aren't ready for it.
Have you tried not being a garden gnome? Also The Prophecy starring Christopher Walken and Viggo Mortensen.
>Have you tried not being a garden gnome?
Christ was a garden gnome you garden gnome loving cuck.
The sun's heat is not the sun nor is the sun's light the sun but they are all components of the same entity. Increase your IQ before coming back here.
The persons as components of God is the heresy of partialism.
related is the patripassian/modalist heresy of Christ's eternal suffering as separate from/concurrent with the father's impassibility. so many heresies so little time
Technically the sun's light and heat are the sun
meds
My "being correct" meds?
Already took em
Well if OP's pic had said "is a component of" then you would be onto something, but it doesn't.
>Lutheran channel
>is a better catholic channel then most catholic channels
really activates the almonds
lutherans are basically catholics. I don't respect anyone unless they are at least 7th day adventists.
>7th day adventists.
The group that kept making dates for failed doomsday predictions?
Filtered
>Literally
every mentally ill person wants to be a therapist lmao
>Your dog will love me....
why are canadians like this
you better be using a proxy, slurring dog fuckers is a hate crime here
Imagine getting filtered by Christianity of all things.
It's pretty simple my dude. You know when you're dreaming? Basically you control every being in your dreams. But it's still you controling them. You and them are the same. Same shit here in this "esoteric" trinity concept. Except you're god as well. Same as me. We're both god. We're stuck in this "dream" and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Why don't Christians just say god exists outside our universe and the logical properties of the divine aren't the same as our material logic but can be inferred from the Bible?
This is the best argument in my opinion, because even cosmologists can't confirm that the laws of physics are the same outside our universe or even outside or present epoch.
>caring about epicly owning cosmologists
You'll understand one day
Because Thomas Aquinas decided that Roman Catholicism could be proven from observation of nature and Aristotelian philosophy to stump Muslims.
I'm pretty sure it's just how the Catholic church tried to differentiate itself from pagan heathen polytheism. They realized their own religion is polytheistic so they came up with the Trinity workaround to force it back into monotheism so they could tell pagans to shove their pantheons up their asses or whatever.
The different persons of the Trinity are literally named at the ending of the Gospel of Mark and the Holy Spirit and Messiah are alluded to several times throughout the Old Testament.
>Gospel of Mark
It was Matthew, close enough though
But does the Bible itself actually describe the Trinity as it's described by modern Christians?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-the-trinity/
"The Trinity" as a term isn't used but Jesus talks about the relationship between himself, Yahweh and the Holy Spirit in a way where the Trinity is the logical conclusion of it.
You need to actually read the Bible. Just reading religion shitposts online does not convey how complex and strange a work it is.
Trinitarians literally had to invent shit up and put it into the text to justify their position (like the Johanine comma). Arianism has far more scriptural basis:
Numbers 23:19"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?"
Hosea 11:9 "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man -- the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."
1 Samuel 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."
John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Matthew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
>Arianism
Arianism is founded on Jesus not being God which the Gospel of John contradicts "Before Abraham was, I am."
>"Before Abraham was, I am."
That just means his message was around before Abraham, ala the true worship of God, not that he's literally older than Abraham and thus God. Trinitarians are such a joke.
>Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
He's not saying literally Earth and the heavens or space will pass away, he's saying the temple will pass away but his words won't. The temple is where Heaven meets Earth.
If it was "his message" he would just say that, you're ignoring the very elaborate statement on Logos in the beginning of John that ties God to God's message.
>If it was "his message" he would just say that,
He did…
The doctrine of the trinity is best described as a synthetic doctrine. It causes some confusion to talk about the doctrine as if it is an external concept that is endorsed by the Bible. More accurately, it is a doctrine that is synthesized from the various statements in the Bible about the persons of the Godhead.
The trinity is a leftover pagan ideal they merged with Christianity like other Gnostic crap to make it more acceptable to the Romans. There is no trinity, there is only one singular God, and Christ was his son.
>What is the Council of Nicea
Your point? The trinity still isn't real no matter how many catholiccucks say so.
It's trying to explain in simple terms a being that lives in between spaces and times. An entity that is both the substantive father and icarnate son simultaneously and lives in the maternal ether of essence as the holy ghost.
Nah bro you just don't get it. Those 3 things are not the same at all, except all 3 are god so they're one and the same.
Simple.
Dont worry bro. Christcucks are retarded. Look at the cope replies
The Passion of the Christ
The Ten Commandants, (probably, I haven't seen it)
NGE
>A = C
>B = C
>A =/= B
Christians really?
Tom is Italian.
Jim is Italian.
Tom is not Jim.
>he prays to Italian
Italian is not a singular entity, retard.
Steam is water
Ice is water
Steam is not ice
>Steam is water
>Ice is water
No
Liquid water is still water.
Solid water is still water.
Your shitty analogy would require equating "solid" TO "water" if you applied it to OP image.
God the Son and God the Father are still God in the doctrine of the Trinity though.
do americans really
A=B
A=C
B=/=C
its not that hard to comprehend anon..
2=2
2=2
2=/=2
its not that hard to comprehend anon..
>Simping for an invisible man in the sky
You're all so fucking stupid.
*tips fedora towards you respectfully*
if trinity is the truth then why is it convoluted?
shouldn't the truth be simple even for the retardest of the retards?
It's literally not convoluted unless you are a gay garden gnome or child molesting muslim. Constantine, The Prophecy, and even The Passion are all Biblically related kinos.
Why would you believe that?
This might be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.
It's like Piccolo and Kami.
In the old testament God was flawed and evil. Which is why he murdered children with bears.
In order to achieve perfection God split off all the flawed and evil parts of himself and banished them to the earth. That's what Jesus was.
That's why Jesus claimed to be God, but didn't have God's full power. And why God stopped being a dick after the new testament.
When Jesus was killed God started to die because they're linked. In order to save himself he resurrected Jesus and pulled him back into heaven to keep this from happening again.
>Which is why he murdered children with bears.
he fucked up a few shitty teens with what may or not have been bears because they were talking madnasty shit about his prophet. god is not mocked. and your reactionary strain of gnosticism is just tired at this point
Imagine being a christcuck from the past and seeing heretics try to compare their desert survival book to Chinese cartoons
>seeing heretics try to compare their desert survival book to Chinese cartoons
The old heretics tried to ape Christianity, lost, and then retreated to China and tried to ape Buddhism.
Imagine being this butthurt at proto-gnostics just to please daddy yahweh
>proto-gnostics
They were full-fledged Gnostics at not even in like the first 3 waves of Gnosticism by the time they came about.
Paul, Apostle of Christ
If you’re into tv: The Chosen
an Acts of the Apostles series would be kino
In The Beginning: The Bible Stories
Lotr
it's like the MGS Lore
Solid Snake is a clone of big boss
Liquid Snake is a clone of big boss
Ocelot becomes possessed by Liquid Snake's arm after ge gets a transplant
yet these are different characters
Ocelot was only pretending to be possessed
The Robe
there's a car.
the car contains an engine, a windshield, and a seat.
together these components are 'a car'.
the engine is not the windshield, the windshield is not the seat, the seat is not the engine.
it's not hard to grasp the nuance - christians are retarded and they came up with it, so of course it's easy.
>an engine is a car
hurr durr
That is not an accurate analogy. The trinity are not parts of God, they are God.
Your analogy would imply Jesus is only part of God and not equal to God, which is heresy.
>together these components are 'a car'.
Imagine not even understanding the concept you're trying to explain
The 6 hour Jesus of Nazareth miniseries
>this thread
>The father is not the son
>The father is actually god, which also happens to be the son
why heretics (protestants) sucks at theology
>Sneed's is formerly Chuck's
>Chuck's is subsequently Sneed's
>The farmers are not city slickers
came here for this, now leaving, fuck christcucks and garden gnomes btw
this is actually a heresy
how so
i love how you can spend your entire life trying to wrap your head around this and feel like you understand it but you'll never truly 100% understand it. i get why religion is so powerful now.
>i love how you can spend your entire life trying to wrap your head around this and feel like you understand it but you'll never truly 100% understand it.
Almost as if it's nonsense
If energy cannot be created, only converted, then what created energy?
why, my peenus weanus of course 🙂
Basado
Science
I grew up on The Greatest Adventure: Stories From The Bible, a series made by Hanna-Barbera
christcuckery is a disease
At least I think Valhalla Rising was some Jesus analogy.
I don’t know how someone thinks this makes sense when they see it.
It's pretty straightforward, I dont believe it but it makes sense. Which part doesnt make sense to you?
someone post the trinity as a midwit filter copypasta
I'm an atheist and I've never gotten someone so worked up on this site when I was defending the notion of the trinity in my Catholic LARP. This adversary was an apex midwit operating on p a=a, b=b, c=c. The limitation of his logical parameters. So riled up was he that he frenzied and I decimated him with post after post and he kept coming back like a glutton for punishment. If his brain was a CPU it would have been overheating from the process load. It didn't even feel fair yet the amusement I derived was so great especially at not even being a believer in God. It was like arguing with a child about chirality. No matter what, he just didn't get it. I'm convinced the big brains used it as a filter for back in the Arian heresy days to keep out the midwits. The sub 90 IQ masses would listen to them because they don't question and know "dayum, dis bro smart". Meanwhile other 145 IQ geniuses capable of abstract thinking and understanding consubstansiality understood it indeed is possible for three distinct entities to be one yet separate. Bravo big brains, bravo, I deem the trinity as the most successful midwit filter of all time. What a marvel of intellectual engineering! We see pleb filters all the time but those are easy to craft, childsplay. But the midwit filter? Rare. Rare indeed. Hats off to my fellow big brains of the past. I know if they were alive today they would be right here on this site doing exactly what I do.
My cat just attacked the shit out of me for no reason wtf
Convince me we aren't already in purgatory
This is a pretty cringe image tbh,
It's like the equivalent of some MCU fanboy meme on Instagram
ITT: Christians desperately insisting something that obviously doesn't make sense makes sense
Ironic that emperor Justinian made worship of the trinity the law, which gave muslims and garden gnomes an excuse to kill chrisitians, because they claimed they'd become polytheists who worship multiple "Gods".
it's not supposed to make sense. did you expect to wrestle god with wordly facts and logic?
And this is why Islam is a fundamentally superior religion. Its conception of the universe and of one, indivisible God is logical and straightforward. Christianity gives you a contradiction and demands you believe it wholeheartedly. Muslims don't have to give pathetic excuses like "b-but it's not supposed to make sense!".
What's the best way to start believing that Christ is God? I read the whole bible and I wasn't convinced. I know that I need to believe unto the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, so how do I do that?
Are you saying this as a garden gnome or an atheist
An agnostic gentile. I just don't believe, but would love to.
>I read the whole bible and I wasn't convinced
Getting warmer... you're almost there.
Go seek out a pastor/priest or w/e. Go to worship services. Trying reading a good study Bible and not just front to back; try and get a good study guide or reading plan. Maybe watch theology videos on youtube.
meant for
Someone explain to me how you reconcile the fact that the earliest dated christian texts are from 500/600 ad(no dead sea scroll copers, those are strictly judaic texts but judaic writings still only date to 1st century bc), that one of the core writers of the new testament never met jesus yet recounts his tale(with this writing dating centuries after like the previous point, but supposedly are the works of a man from 4-7 years after jesus crucifixion), how the old testament is rooted in canaanite and sumerian polytheistic beliefs, how the garden gnomes were never slaves in egypt but the egyptians lorded over the lands where the garden gnomes later would live, how thematically the story of jesus wasnt some new archetypal paradigm, that there had been similar stories even in the bronze age of death and rebirth and then ascension, and just how specifically you came to believe in god. Not how as in you read the bible and though "huh this makes sense", how as in literally you believe wholly in it with some sort of basis. Did you have some holy vision? How would you then discredit dmt which induces such profound visions simply because they simulate a serotonin dump, when its possible you had an endogenous serotonin dump or epileptic shock that spurred a vision?
Is this bait or are you legitimately schizophrenic?
So you have no answers to any one of the questions, why reply at all then
"There are no Christian texts before 500 AD" is just demonstrably untrue to the point only a schizo or someone baiting would say it.
Anon there is literally no historical basis in the claim of 500/600AD being the earliest christian records. None. That is beyond retarded. Rome was a fully Christianized state centuries before then. Even a sworn militant atheist would not challenge the claim that Christian texts date far more remotely than your claim.
>good biblical kino
136 posts and no one has mentioned Dekalog. It seems the rumor that Cinemaphile is just a collection of casuals and manbabbys is true.
I enjoyed Noah a lot. Wasn’t the typical black and white bibleshit, some characters were interestingly written and had ambiguous motivations.
No one should've ever told atheists about the bell curve or international garden gnomery. They mistake themselves for right wing.
monty python life of brian
moral orel
Silence
And Op is modalism, or however it is spelled.
No, OP is the scutum fidei, which is the correct trinitarian doctrine, according to the catholic church.
No it’s modalism
who vs what