What are the best Euro comics?
What are the best Euro comics?
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What are the best Euro comics?
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Moomin.
is there a complete collection, ive seen some books but never a complete omnibus of the comics or whatever. i think it would be a good present for my little sister
Drawn and quarterly have a two volume omnibus series called Moomin Deluxe. Volume 1 is all the Tove Jansson ones and volume 2 is the Lars Jansson ones. I'm pretty sure the content is the same as the earlier 10 volume set they had out.
oh sweet, it looks great
>£50
idk if my sister deserves that kek
Could always just get her a couple of the 10 volume ones, they're £12 each. Or give her a .cbr, they're all ripped.
1) Learn to use your search bar, you lazy cunt.
2) "Best" is a misnomer since there's no such thing as a good euro comic.
3) Fuck you and get off my board, parasite.
>there's no such thing as a good euro comic.
>3) Fuck you and get off my board, parasite
You posted it
>literally european equivalent of capeshit
Tintin
Asterix
Franquin era of Spirou & Gaston
Corto Maltese
Thorgal
>spoonfeeding the retard
have a nice day.
>Corto Maltese
Did IDW ever say if they were going to do the new ones, or are they just stopping with the Pratt era?
>Thorgal
This was a miss for me, I was expecting fun viking-style adventures, but then I got a bunch of sci-fi alien shit. Granted I only read the first couple of volumes.
Thorgal is good because it isn't about vikings, it's got a really good blend of scifi and fantasy. But most of all the stories are just a cut above most comics in quality.
idk there's still a lot of uninspired boring trash, lots of passable thrillers with art that's just ok. I don't think the market is super healthy or competitive right now with manga.
I already saw the new Corto drawn by that artist whats his name translated. Or maybe it was just scanlated. BTW, there is a brand new Corto, Berlin Nights, where Corto mentaydets young Hitler.
Most of them are better than American and Japanese comics.
Nah, euro are by far the worst.
They are better at everything
Nope.
No, not really.
To me, Jodo's comics aren't very human. They're more symbolic than anything.
Requiem Vampire Knight, Chronicles of The Black Moon and side stories.
idk but the Incal Trilogy with Metabaron + Metabarons are the best comics I've ever read in my life and probably will ever read. They put actual meaning and spirituality into the writing, the art of course is amazing but the way they juggle these existential themes in a positive yet light hearted and endearing way is what makes these comics incredible to me. I feel like its something you either connect with because you are a spiritual person as well or you don't. When I see people call it nonsense or weird for the sake of it they are always close minded more literal thinkers, I think the books are inherently metaphysical. I wouldnt be rambling on about them if it was purely for pseud reasons though, I was seriously impacted by these books. Everyone should read them if you havent before.
It's not nonsense but it's not very deep either. It's a nice space epic. Far better than Incal but existential themes? Not really.
Absolutely, it gets into the make up of reality and your place in it which is undeniably a deep theme. But then this gets into what you consider deep and not deep and will make me sound like a pseud just for appreciating a book I like a lot. I love scifi and have read many other "nice space epics" the way you off handedly describe this would imply theyre all like this and theyre actually not so I dont know what the fuck you read but Id like some of it. Most writers are dry with not much to say about anything and no real humanity to the overall message whereas everything in the Incal ties to the human spirit.
I don't think I like Jodorowsky much, his dialogue is a pain to read and his newer comics for the Metabaron and Incal have been outright bad.
I like him when he writes less wacky out there metaphysical stories. Bouncer is probably my favourite of his books.
Bouncer was alright I suppose. Not very memorable though, especially when eurocomics have so much better western stories to choose from like the Undertaker or Blueberry.
I like him a lot, his characters speak from their heart and say exactly whats on their mind. Maybe its a pain for you but its refreshing and interesting to me. Never even understood this, people who say this wont elaborate about whats painful about it for you like im just supposed to understand what you meant when I did not experience what you did.
I don't know if you're into his films at all. But his more recent films 'The Dance of Reality' and 'Poetry Without End' had this quality as well. Very direct and honest.
It's more that the specific language he uses is too direct, there's no poetry to it and the constant use of juvenile scifi prefixes annoy me. Like he just throws in a random paleo or meta just to Hispanice it up and it has the opposite effect.
Well you're a paleo gay and a mega fool!
But yeah, his comics are too much "show everything, say everything, leave nothing up for interpretation".
>Chilean writer
>Argentinian artist
Yeah but it's produced for the European market.
Corto Maltese is good, but my favourite Hugo Pratt is Scorpions of the Desert.
>The last Italian comic to have any significant popularity.
We're in dire straits.
I really like Olivier Ledroit's work. Also, Druillet and Moebius are obvious ones.
Looks amazing
As long as someone brought it up and now people are fighting over it, no, most european comics are not good.
Yes there are like 12 or so great one's that mog most japanese and especially american comics but 99% of them are boring trash that do nothing special, they're more like rejected film scripts drawn by cartoonists than anything.
Say what you will about Weimerica but we have capitalism as an excuse for why capeshit killed American comics forever, europeans? Europeans willfully enjoy trash. They're all just boring s.o.l women chud garbage, b movie thrillers, or sci fi stories. It's like Mark Millar but less edgy, unfinished thrown out movie scripts by writers who don't want to be there more than anything of interest. Literally every europoor comic is just:
>Lars is a detective trying to solve a cold case from 60 years ago due to no reason beyond severe autism in between botany and poetry.
>Meanwhile you also have the pov of Anika, a girl living in 1962 whom has to deal with the french student revolution coming up but a love triangle between a rebellious Chad, a suave nerd, and the bourgeoisie son of the dean, oh no! And worst of all it ends in her death!
>Hendres is a time traveler from the year 34023934 ad, dealing with a bureaucratic system at the end of time and relationship issues with his estranged comatose wife stuck in the astral plane who must look through both periods in time to find the solution to his problems
Now if you said any of that sounds cool you're a gay.
They're all boring and the worst part is that if Japan did it, it would have been cool, because they would have had a crazy plot twist after the one shot in chapter 2 where the time traveler crashes both their stories and the 3 of them must figure out who killed Anika together.
Japan does high concept crazy balls to the wall shit that sticks. European comics are just boring and never done well because they're unironically pretentious.
99% of *anything* is boring trash. Like you really think manga has a better trash to gem ratio when essentially all the most popular series are usually straight up garbage that at best looks pretty? It's also straight up comical that you think the norm for most manga is "high concept" when most I've come across have been incredibly derivative, especially when genres like isekai exist and sell like hotcakes.
Oh no trust me 99% of manga is also hot trash, nothing but the same s.o.l chud bait shonenshit and fantasy shit. My point is europe suffers the same fate, they love what I call "rejected movie comics" as their own personal comic hell.
They're all terrible. That said japan will slip by more than the european ones.
America is just dead.
Europe, America, and Japan all make "99% shit" huh? Aren't you so intelligent, you little gay?
How about you tell us about something you like instead of just 'everything is awful'.
>manga has a better trash to gem ratio
Yes.
Could you maybe use more buzzwords?
That poster did diagnose the problem with 99% of European comics, which is that they all read like (justifiably) rejected film scripts. On top of that the majority have this joyless, uninspired artstyle and bad coloring. I was looking through random scanlations the other day, I forgot to make note of what this was from but it's everything wrong with the European industry right now. Bland drawings with no visual flourish, weak compositions (every panel is an expository midshot), and ugly colors. All of this despite depicting a scenario which could be both exotic and exciting (civilians looting a museum during the Iraq occupation). There's no sense of movement, excitement or anything that would entice you to read it, much less pay money for it. I do agree with the anon that said that the Euro market has that 1% of comics which are the best ever made, but a lot of this stuff is at best a lateral move from just reading capeshit in terms of quality.
The Plotting on this page is better than anything on the Big 2.
Not really.
>which is that they all read like (justifiably) rejected film scripts.
Fuuuuck no. What crap have you been reading?
>uninspired artstyle
it's traditional dumbass. they've been doing realistic art in comics since gringos introduced them to westerns. They never stopped, and (mostly) shifted from war comics to history comics.
>bad coloring
haha fuck no. Dont know what crap you are reading but euros mastered digital coloring decades before Image and Marvel made anything decent.
>What crap have you been reading?
Passable but rarely interesting thrillers, fantasy, scifi, westerns... I've been avoiding the humor comics about sex though.
> they've been doing realistic art in comics since gringos introduced them to westerns
The art being bad has nothing to do with realism. As for color, even artists whose inked pages look great like Ralph Meyer get ruined in the coloring process.
Should have specified recent comics (last 10 years). And I didn't say this was my only exposure, I think there's a reason I fell out of reading this stuff. One has to ask why it doesn't sell much at all outside of the Francophone market (with the exception of certain classics like Tintin and maybe Asterix), and I'm sure manga is taking up more and more of the market share in Europe as it is in the US.
From my experience the euromarket has way more variety and quality to it compared to manga, it just doesn't have much mass appeal. Shit like MHA is popular despite being written like utter dogshit then you have something like Freaks' Squeele which has a similar premise yet is infinitely more refreshing but it's still relatively obscure. Quality doesn't always translate to sales and this is definitely the case with eurocomics.
>the euromarket has way more variety and quality to it compared to manga
lol
lmao even
Manga and anime constantly cannibalizes themselves, a garbage genre like isekai wouldn't exist otherwise.
Isekai is not a high selling genre, Paco. You're very silly.
I don't keep up on sales figures, but that seems kind of unlikely considering that every new anime season has several isekai adaptations. Why would they make them if the manga didn't sell?
You can easily find that information if you wanted to, but you'd rather talk out of your ass. That's why you're silly, you're out of your depth.
I'm not even that guy. Chill out, bro.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2022-12-16/top-50-best-selling-digital-manga-and-light-novels-on-book-walker-in-2022-isekai-light-novels-still-/.193007
I just looked this up, but feel free to tell me why it's wrong. Not that I care though, east v west shit is gay.
>east v west shit is gay
Indeed. To get back on topic, when the fuck are they gonna continue Last of the Atlases?
It's finished isn't it, or do you mean the English version?
Yeah, I really hope Europe didn't drop it. I can't into frog.
You do know a light novel is not a manga, right?
Follow the links to the by category lists.
>Should have specified recent comics (last 10 years). And I didn't say this was my only exposure, I think there's a reason I fell out of reading this stuff. One has to ask why it doesn't sell much at all outside of the Francophone market (with the exception of certain classics like Tintin and maybe Asterix)
That is fair. There's a reason soleil's coomershit ended up becoming the most talked about eurocomics.
>Should have specified recent comics (last 10 years).
Well Universal War II is from 2013
Don't remind me, I've been waiting about 7 years for volume 4 at this point and there's nothing in sight.
Hah. At least you didn't get fucked at the literal final issue. Fuck you Requiem
Basically every year, Pat Mills' wife, or whoever runs the facebook page, comments and assures everyone that the final volume is totally, definitely coming soon. This year's message:
>The good news is that legendary comic writer/creator Pat Mills, has confirmed that superstar artist Olivier Ledroit started on Tome 12, the second half of this volume, in September 2022. Now, it usually takes him a year to complete a book. In addition, Pat has informed me that a further final tome has been added – Tome 13 – so we will have to wait until this is completed and release it in Vol.6 to complete the series.
So now we're actually waiting for 2 final issues, ahahahaha, fuck.
didn't he said the final issue was already written and waiting for ledroit's art like half a decade ago
Those are some rather sweeping generalizations you're making there bud with only thumbing through a handful of random comics.
what's the name of this comic? I have been reading Alphonso Font since the mid 1970s. I missed this one. It's funny how he presents the AMericans as buffoons.
Europe has Japan beat in black and white let alone color.
meanwhile literally every manga page is just SPEEDLINES EVERYWHERE and somehow these gay weebs slurp it up
See this is what I'm talking about, every european comic is like this.
I don't want to necropost from page 8 because I just awoke and the thread is about to fall of the catalog but literally every european thriller is like this shit I swear. I don't care how good the use of pure black on white is for the shading, the action scene in one page alone is boring because of how overdone it is.
It's always some dude with a small weapons fire revolver chasing the protagonist through a building then the street while the protagonist jumps through the windows, roofs, and cars to dodge the main bad guys storm trooper aim.
It's all the same derivative boring crap since the 1920s BUT OH IT'S EUROPEAN AND THEREFORE GOOD ISN'T IT, YOU AREN'T NOTICING HOW REPETITIVE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE EUROPEAN COMICS SUFFER FROM, YOU'RE JUST BRAIN FRIED BECAUSE YOU EXPECT ACTUAL INNOVATION IN THE SCENES AND STORY TELLING INSTEAD OF THE SAME 3 GENRE STORIES OVER AND OVER.
What the fuck are you even complaining about? The action is clearly legible, well constructed, and has a flow each panel. You sound like a major pseud with such non-criticisms like this.
Thanks for not addressing the actual arguments of my post then projecting your psuedery onto me.
You never presented an actual argument. You complained about a well-constructed and dynamic page like it's a bad thing and complained that a fucking Noir story has a guy being chased by another with a gun.
>It's always some dude with a small weapons fire revolver chasing the protagonist through a building then the street while the protagonist jumps through the windows, roofs, and cars to dodge the main bad guys storm trooper aim.
It's a story about a Mafia hitman, this shit is bound to happen by virtue of the type of story it is. The fact you took this single scene and think the entire comic is like this outs you as a retard though that wasn't much in question considering you were unironically posting soijacks before.
You like manga because you have 8th grade syndrome aka Chūnibyō at its finest. Simple as.
Weebs palate is akin to a fat person gluttony: consumption only meant to satisfy your appetite at the short term. But in the long term is bad for you.
does anyone have a link to Brüsel?
got everything but that pic semi rel
I've got a bunch in this folder: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rp1e6b1o1due4/Obscure_Cities
IDW haven't done Brüsel yet, and I'm not sure if they will continue the series, apparently the editor who was in charge of it left the company and the last two volumes have no reference to future volumes. So the version of Brüsel I have is the translation that was done for NBM.
aww hell yeah bro, thanks so much
got some shit to read at work now
An european comic written by a chilean and drawn by an Argentinian dude.
Is there any Euro comic equivalent to David Feiss, as in art style-wise? I’m just curious.
Edika's stuff would be a reasonable start I think
Thank you. I can see a resemblance
I am
>no Yoko Tsuno
>no Blake & Mortimer
>no Valerian & Laureline
>Yoko Tsuno
It's fucking tragic how shit the series is now, an utter zombie.
Well the author is pushing 90, so…
stop reading it with issue 16, like I did
Is Blake and Mortimer good all the way through, or should I not bother after the original author died?
most of the "new" stories are neither art-wise nor in the storytelling department on par with Jacobs' original work.
TINTIN
COLTO MALTESE
DARK CITIES
PHILIPPE CAZA
talk of speedlines reminds me of boucq
that was a great little story. loved how clever it was.
fin
next page is NSFW:
>BUT SHE'S TEASING ME, MY WORD! >OUHLALALALA, HOLD ME BACK OR I'LL MAKE A MESS!!!
>FINALLY, WHAT!?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
>BITCH!!!
In that case, enfin is more of a note of exasperation rather than actually 'finally', kind of like Gaston Lagaffe's m'enfin.
>no otomo without french comic books
>no modern shonen without otomo
Europeans are the GOAT
>Europe Comics willnever touch the rest of the Jérôme Moucherot albums
It fucking hurts
European comic's heydays were in the 1970s and 1980s. It crashed due to too many albums being released that the market couldn't absorb. Plus all the major magazines died: PILOTE, Pif gadget, L'echo des Savanes, METAL HURLANT, etc.
European comics now resemble American trash more and more with very little 1$ worth bothering over.
This said:
Jean moebius Giraud, Philippe Druillet, CAZA, Liberatore, Serpieri, Mathias Shulteiss, Enki Bilal, Tardi, Alphonso Font, Gotlib, Bretcher, Mandryka, FRED, beat ANY American or manga hands down
You can bring up a crop of artists from almost any country that equals most of those names, especially from the US and Japan.
WHO? Franki Miller? Kirby? Ditko? All They have ever done is generic capshit crap for the big 2. Cant ever compare.
Franki's Sin City is SO bad, it borders on a parody.
>Franki
This is a samefag isn't it?
They're alright, but not the greatest.
Has to be.
No.
This is kind of true, overproduction is still a massive problem and it's harder than ever to make a living as a BD author/artist.
Igor Baranko is pretty good
i really like that, kind of reminds me of captain underpants
2nd page
more Baranko
Enki Bilal's Exterminator17 published 1974
Frankie's Ronin
oh, lookie, he also stole from Lone Wolf and Cub!
Alita artist traced frank miller art
show me
https://mendelpalace.tumblr.com/post/63825853288/royalboiler-frank-miller-ninjas-overlaid-on-a
nice, saving that!
I think you need to learn the difference between homage and theft.
Brussli: Way of the Dragon Boy storytime: https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/135064126/
was more fun than the art would suggest; it starts with a death