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It’s a fun watch, probably the first woke adaptation in my memory that isn’t a complete disaster, we’ll see how much worse it gets in later seasons though, there’s no way they will not start changing source material more to fit their agenda.
It’s fun. Wokeness was completely expected since Gaiman himself has always been a huge homosexual. But they could have at least tried to have Death look at least a little more goth. She just looked like a random nigress wearing a black top and jeans. Didn’t even have the eye tattoo. If she looked more like pic related I would have no complaints.
This. Reminds me of that Kenobi Reva shit where all the other Inquisitors have makeup and a Sith look and she's literally just some black woman. Low effort.
>completely expected since Gaiman himself has always been a huge homosexual
He used to be less of a homosexual. If he wanted there to be as many blacks in the UK in Sandman as there are in the show, he would've had it done. If he really wanted Death to be anything other than White goth, why did he make her White goth? Same for any of the numerous blackwashed and vagwashed characters. He was always lefty, but he's gotten way worse.
>vagwashed
There's literally only one gender swapped character in the show and it was the result licensing issues.
Lucien
Lucifer
Oh, right. I forgot about Lucien. Lucifer isn't gender swapped, angels don't have genders. It was the same thing with Gabriel in Constantine or Satan in Passion of the Christ. That's a fairly common cinematic trope, to be honest, and Gaiman specifically selected 60s era Bowie as a model because of his androgyny
Partially on me then. Lucifer was always more male than female in Sandman and I always read his lines in Malcolm McDowell's voice. But the fact is that (A) Lucifer in Sandman was still based on a man, and (B) Gwendoline Christie still comes off as decidedly a woman; if the show was all you ever knew of this franchise, you'd have never gotten the idea that Lucifer wasn't just made into a woman.
>(B) Gwendoline Christie still comes off as decidedly a woman
I agree that Christie was a terrible choice. Personally I find it distracting when someone super recognizable plays a character like Lucifer. Passion of the Christ did it perfectly. They got an androgynous looking model woman, shaved her head and eyebrows and dubbed her voice over with a male actor. The whole thing comes off as otherworldly and uncomfortable. With this I just felt like Brienne of Tarth was playing a generic demon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3yERD03H8&ab_channel=qartlosi1000
This bothered me less than I thought it would. The whole idea is that Death in this universe is kind and motherly and whatever. I like goth Death in the comics, but it's not really an essential part of the character. You just want to get the sense that she's a kind and soothing presence, and making her goth almost makes you have to work harder to get to that point, because there is an element of menace involved with the entire Goth aesthetic. Even if she was a non-goth white lady, I'd still probably be okay with it.
But what did annoy me is the way Dream looks. I feel like he should be otherworldly and menacing. He looked to bland in this, and I laughed out loud when he was holding John Dee in his hand.
>I like goth Death in the comics, but it's not really an essential part of the character.
It is literally the most iconic part of the comic you dork.
I haven't watched it because of the blackwashing. Hope it flops and Netflix files for bankruptcy or someone better acquires them
Overall it was good but I'm very pissed that they made John Constantine into a woman ...
They couldn't get the rights for Constantine, making him female was a workaround. Ofc she had to be a lesbo. I think most named (human) characters weren't straight which is wierd af. Especially that dinerer scene where almost everyone was gay. I didn't read the source material so not sure if that's how it happened there.
John is bissexual so Johanna was bissexual
>Especially that dinerer scene where almost everyone was gay
That scene was changed around quite a bit, but the sexuality of the characters wasn't. Well, at least not completely. The only two characters that were already gay without John Dee fricking around with their minds were the lesbian girl who was trying to get in touch with her lesbian lover and the cook who frick's Bette's son.
The girl is a lesbian in the comics, and the cook character is just a trucker who happens to know Bette and comes in while he's in town. They don't have much a connection beyond that, but at one point he tells her that her son is a male prostitute in Gotham and he fricked him for a pack of cigarettes. The whole scene is actually a lot more interesting in the show, in my opinion. In the comics, Dee is just working them like puppets and making them do whatever he wants, there is no lifting the veil of social courtesy involved. And most of the characters in the comic are just random people with no real connection to one another. Like, the kid going on the Interview isn't interviewing with the couple who owns the company. There's no pretext that all of these people are living some kind of lie and Dee isn't attempting to change the world for the better (albeit in a way that only a crazy person would view as better). He's just crazy for the sake of being crazy and he's making them all frick each other then mutilate themselves. It's all very edgy and boring. Honestly, the show felt more like a Neil Gaiman story than Neil Gaiman's actual story did.
Not too bad for this day and age tbh. I hated that ugly woman playing Lucifer and the casting was classic Netflix shit. I guess the last part was to be expected but did they really need to make Lucifer ugly as sin?
Episodes 1-6 were decent/surprisingly better than expected (expected trash).
7-10 are utter shit. Bad writing, acting, Vortex b***h is a BORE, her BNB family were all flaming insufferable homosexuals.
Don't waste your time.
>n-no Dream-sama! I yield, I yield! No make awake forever I buy new bird!
>1st episode has multiple black "people" at a high society party in WW I era London
Did a 360 away from my tv right that second
Is your TV okay?
even better was the sleeping sickness family cutaway that has blacks inexplicably speaking in full English accents as if they'd always been there. blacks never left southern africa until slavery and the encroaching civilizations of actual humans forced them out.
lol, there were black people in the tavern when Hob Gadling was explaining the concept of chattel slavery. Did they just pick black people off the streets of England and ship them off to the Americas in this universe?
Coulda been way better than it was
what was the point of the mask in the comics? In the show he immediately lost it then it was this big deal to get his shit back. Then he never used it again.
The helmet is basically kind of a crown. Because the Endless have different forms, they have sigils that function as badges of office, and Dream's is the helmet. All three of his mcguffins kind of serve that purpose, but the ruby and sand also have practical applications beyond that.
That's the way I remember it anyway. I could be wrong.
I don't watch pozzed adaptations.
>b-b-but the comic is super pozzed already
And they fricked its shit up even more with extra gays and lots of Black folk. So what does that say?
Black death was stupid, i'm sorry but black people have no place in goth culture
it sucked asses.
this series shouldn't have been adapted for at least 100 years.
I've only gotten to Hob Gadling. I'm surprised it sticks as close to the basic events of Preludes & Nocturnes as closely as it does, but the execution is totally off. Every scene is exaggerated in drama, such as Dream and Choronzon's (now Lucifer because frick pacing) game is made very literal and seems to inflict actual pain on both parties and then Lucifer visibly recoils at the dreams of heaven line. There are other points where the show seems to be pulling punches; the segment where Death comes for the baby is still impactful, but not as impactful as it could've been if the audience saw a brief look at the mother's reaction as was done in the comic.
>I like goth Death in the comics, but it's not really an essential part of the character.
Yes, it was. That was the type of girl Gaiman liked to frick. He wanted his groupies to dress like skinny white goth MPDG Death and got a shitton of them to do it. She still cameos in DC comics in her regular goth form because it's her default appearance among humans.
The watermelon Death wouldn't have upset anyone if she'd been doing her rounds and sent off a black guy. Anyone who read the comics would be fine with that.
The first episode was good, everything else was boring as frick with Black folk and homosexuals forced into every scene. I usually don’t even care but this was too much for me.
Watched the first ep. was gay as frick and wayy to dark.
Milquetoast, about the most bland, middle-of-the-road TV show I’ve ever seen. It just felt way too safe and reserved, like they planed the edges right off the comics, and turned it into some YA drama. I didn’t hate it, I was mostly just bored and unimpressed. The blackwashing was distracting for me. If it’s one or two characters, fine, but it really felt like they race-swapped half the characters, and so many were utterly pointless.
Also, Dream was a terrible miscast. I can’t really explain it, the actor just felt like a typical pouty bong prettyboy with an emo haircut. He didn’t feel otherworldly, or threatening, or battered down, he was just kinda there. Corinthian’s actor was excellent though, it’s a shame we couldn’t have seen that kind of casting across the board.
this was released? i completely forgot about it until this thread
Everybody is gay and unattractive. it's gross.
Wrong
It was shit. You already knew that though.
>You have to read all the comics first before you can understand what is happening.
Dropped.