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yes very bangable
Xenomorph is the worst fetish, I just honestly don't get how anyone could be sexually attracted to something that looks like that.
there's a million better creature waifus for sure but she still makes me horny
You are a worthless homosexual. have a nice day degenerate
where do you think you are Black person
this isn't reddit
>where do you think you are Black person
a website that has been calling for your kind to be exterminated FOR OVER 12 YEARS
this image is probably older than you
Nobody enjoys your kind, we will never be your friend. Your life is a disgusting embarrassment, and it doesn’t matter where you post, that will always be true.
uh, furry, you seem lost
not /trash/ you anthrogay
Yiff in hell, furgay.
Gee i wonder why the xenomoprh gets eroticized. The film makers of Alien just outright admitted that the Xenomorph cave doors were intentionally made to look like giant veganas.
That doesn’t make me want to frick them
sauce on that claim?
I remember in one of the interviews with giger and he's talking about the egg opening being seen as obscene in christian countries, so he mad it 4 flapped instead of 2 so it formed a cross saying something like "they can't complain now there's a cross on it." incredibly based dude.
I miss him, bros...
he had some great ideas
DUDE WHAT IF PORN BUT GROSS
What if I had a book of his when I was 6 perhaps?
Seriously it was just laying around. not my fault
You are too dumb and or young to understand
I didn't know actual women posted on Cinemaphile. But you're almost right, only troons want to frick the alien queen.
Actually filtered lmfao
I'd willingly infest every planet with human-xeno hybrids if it meant I could constantly impregnate the Queen from Resurrection
Hot.
since alien 4 forward, not even ridley cares about that shit anymore
why would he? it wasn't his idea
Neither was anything in Alien
It was a good addition for the expanded universe of paperback novels and comic books. The queen allows for a scenario where the species can take over an entire planet. In the first film it's not clear that the alien is an existential threat to humanity.
>In the first film it's not clear that the alien is an existential threat to humanity.
Psychosexual body horror is not about a threat to the human race or the planet, it's about the threat of the bodily autonomy of the individual. People aren't scared by some random frickers behind hived and pumped full of eggs, they are scared by the idea of being locked in a confined dark place with a monster and not knowing where the frick it is or what the hell it's capable of. That is horror. Cameron turned it into a generic 80s action movie monster you could easily blow away by the thousands like roaches.
Psychosexual body horror is really an impossible goal for the medium of film. You either have laughable monster-on-a-stick props and tall men in rubber suits, as in Alien, or you use CG shit which isn't effective either. James Cameron understood that the xeno wasn't scary to begin with.
>James Cameron understood that the xeno wasn't scary to begin with.
So then why did this horor movie based around a Xeno made for 10 million dollars make 100 million at the box office? Who wants to go watch something that isn't scary?
people who want to have sex with the alien
It's was an engaging sci-fi story with novel design work. We don't need to be afraid of the alien to enjoy all the other elements in play.
They were blowing them away with military grade weapons and auto-cannons tbf
Armor-piercing ammo. Way more than what hurt the alien in the first movie but some women like
feels it makes them deep if they like horror and dislike sci fi or action.
>Armor-piercing ammo
you don't need armor piercing ammo to blast through an alien, they're so relatively fragile that a pneumatic grapple gun can blast straight through them in Alien
all these morons that drink their own koolaid like
the alien was always just a space bug/monster that hunted through animal cleverness and was made interesting by its perverse lifecycle and its occasional hints or more malign intelligence. this was exactly what the original creative team of Alien was trying for, in order to subvert the tropes of the slasher films of the day where the monster was bulletproof or otherwise implacable. these morons hear a malfunctioning android call it a 'perfect organism' and think its supposed to be some supreme intelligence indestructible monster that can adapt to any situation blahblahblah or something
>a pneumatic grapple gun can blast straight through
you mean an emergency device that would need to pierce the (possibly armored) hull of a ship in order to prevent an untethered astronaut from drifting off into the void of space?
>he thinks pneumatic gas would allow something with this large a cross-sectional area to penetrate metal, armored or not. also it's not even pointy so at best its meant to grapple all those wall cushions or exposed machinery, if its even meant to be used on the ship at all
so no that isn't what i mean, and it would still be fricking shy compared to the kinetic energy of a bullet
>he's coming up with theories as to how future space technology works
what use would a non-piercing grapple gun be in an emergency situation? not to mention, it would also need to be recoilless, in order to be useful in keeping a space-walk from ending somewhere deep in the void.
>goalposts
you posited the first theory btw, chucklefrick
now tell me why that grapple gun can blast clean through it, but a 10x24mm explosive-tipped caseless rifle bullet shouldnt
because explosive tipped bullets aren't for penetration?
you making theories about how future technology works? for all you know its on a timer fuse to explode a tenth of a milisecond after impact. or maybe its explosive is shaped and meant to act as a penetrator sending fragments of the bullet in the direction of travel, or maybe the explosive is meant to breach a type of armor and the relatively soft xeno offers no protection and the explosion blasts clean through it. or maybe the alien is so soft it doesnt even trigger the explosive tip
in the end it doesnt matter as we don't know how the rifle ammo is meant to function. so i'll ask again, why that grapple gun with with its huge cross sectional area, and its velocity slow enough that it actually takes 3 frames of the film to hit the alien (so 1/8th of a second) can go straight through it, but a bullet from a gun cant
i'll also throw out that the reason the alien has acid blood is because the creative team needed a reason the nostromo crew wouldnt just shoot the alien in the first place. you can hear this in the directors cut commentary starting at 1:13:05 as said by Ronald Shusett
you sure are working hard to only end up still being wrong 🙁
cope, loser
sorry bruh, but explosive tipped bullets exist, and aren't for penetrating hardened targets.
>still latching on explosive tipped bullets
>still insists the alien is 'hardened
ok so you admit you lost
still waiting for you to refute the actual words from Alien executive producer and story writer Ron Shusett
>the alien is 'hardened
the entire point of geiger's art is eroticized organic metal. so, yea, it ain't supposed to just be chitin. even the teeth are silvery/metallic in the first film.
if giger's necronomicon art was actually the alien it'd have 3 penises and wouldn't be able to move due to too many pipes connecting it to a wall or a naked woman, all giger did was provide the original concept including the lifecycle and make the suit (which is pretty clearly not all metal, even if the teeth are shiny metallic). the alien for the film (ie the rules it follows) was mostly conceived by lead writer Ron Shussett and concept artist Ron Cobb
what does this have to do with anything, the pulse rifle obviously shoots 'military grade' ammunition (a meaninigless distinction nowadays, i guess maybe larger or higher velocity ammunition is reserved for the military in the future), though this sounds like apocrypha since nowhere in any film does anyone say the alien is resistant to civilian bullets or anything similar. the crippled frenchy's modular shotgun sure seems to work in resurrection
>the suit is clearly not metal
because it needed to be wearable.
you probably don't know this, because you're moronic, but you can paint something to look metal without actually making it out of metal
like those very teeth you brought up, probably plastic resin painted metal since making them out of metal would only make them heavier and more likely to come unglued from the head
anon, the scene where riply can't tell the alien's head from pipes (in both alien and alien 3) clearly indicates its supposed to be metal/metallic.
also the scene where the alien explodes after bursting out of the mold is consistent with how superheated metal explodes when rapidly cooled.
it getting shot through with a grapple gun is not consistent with being made of metal
neither is it being able to move organically, it's not a T1000
bruh, cameron made them bugs.
what does that have to do with them getting shot?
it was always just an animal, it being some super special unstoppable genius organism was fanon headcanon invented outside the film
the writer of alien wanted the creature to be a vulnerable real organism because he wanted to do something different and avoid the tropes of slasher horror films at the time where the monster defeated the humans because it was bulletproof or invulnerable or whatever and just chased the teenagers down while bullets bounced off it
in alien, from what's on screen, it was a weaponized organism developed by a species that engineered lifeforms to fill specific roles. it's role, specifically, was to invade, kill, replace, and then go dormant into "egg" form once the native population had been wiped out.
its skin was supposed to be of the same material as the giant fricking spaceship where they found it.
>its skin was supposed to be of the same material as the giant fricking spaceship where they found it.
holy fricking headcanon
the alien egg and facehugger look absolutely nothing like the derelict so there goes your theory. at least the alien itself kind of looks like the derelict (though the color is way off) so i can see where your ridiculously theory started
furthermore, the derelict doesn't look like metal anyways
furthermore it still gets shot through with a grapple gun on screen in film, and the head writer/ executive producer still said you can shoot it to kill it. this ancillary shit doesn't matter
The alien clearly resembles areas of the derelict and the facehugger is a separate organism with a different purpose. Hell, the grappling hook confirmed the adult loses the acid blood
>The alien clearly resembles areas of the derelict
it does, doesn't mean they're the exact same technology or material. probably related though
>Hell, the grappling hook confirmed the adult loses the acid blood
no it doesn't, all it confirms is that it's either less virulent (something corroborated by the sequels since the adult's acid does seem less destructive in those) or that the harpoon is less reactive to the particular 'molecular acid' than the common material of the nostromo, which is also reasonable since the grapple hook would probably be something much harder for penetration, and tougher so the arms dont break off), whereas the ship would likely be a milder steel. the grapple hook also looks polished like its chrome plated or similar
could be both
why are you working so hard to defend the ideas that didn't exist until aliens, ignoring how they're contradicted by alien?
you still cant explain why it can get shot through by a grapple gun in alien and not a rifle in aliens
until you can explain that grapple gun scene, or the words of Ron Shusett, all the evidence I need is IN ALIEN
see
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i already answered both those moron
all you need to conclude is that the soft-nosed large-area grapple gun has enough force to fully penetrate the xeno. no it didn't kill it. yes it indicates that there's no reason bullets with far greater kinetic energy wouldn't work on the alien
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ok
she grabs the strongest "gun" she has. something that would need to have a pretty massive muzzle velocity and produce no recoil to be useful for what its purpose clearly is. to save someone who's become untethered from their craft while doing repairs on the exterior of the hull.
this is basic visual storytelling. this is akin to, say, an oil rig worker in some other monster movie, grabbing a flare gun because s/he knows the monster is inflammable.
i dont know why you keep bringing up the fricking recoilless part, like its a fancy word you knew and wanted to throw it out there to sound smart. probably the same reason you chose inflammable
the thing takes 3 film frames to travel from ripley to the alien that's like 20-30 feet away, and its not pointy. these are INDISPUTABLE facts taken from the film ALIENS (1979).
even if we ignore the rounded end, maybe the rounded end really just contains an explosive that releases the actual grapple spear and its rounded so people dont cut themselves on it. even if we disregard it as a design good and that it was ACTHULLY meant to be pointy the fact that the whole grapple blasted through the alien at that relatively low a speed still indicates that a rifle bullet should have zero issue penetrating an alien
>i dont know why you keep bringing up the fricking recoilless part
because space
yeah but its not relevant to the discussion
unless you're implying that the thing uses some insane rocket-propelled propultion or something, and that the gas expelled from the front of a gun as well as the grapple velocity was actually a mistake and it was REALLY meant to blast out like a fricking RPG with a plume of rocket exhaust out the back of the pistol shaped grapple gun (which would go straight into her face of course)
bit of a stretch imo
I don't think you understand how powerful even modern rifle ammunition is, let alone what space age 'explosive tipped caseless light armor-piercing' ammunition could be
i don't think you understand the point of explosive rounds. they aren't armor piercing.
'10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing rounds' are, as per the dialogue in Aliens
not that it matters since the alien isnt armored in military terms, it just has a harder than skin exoskeleton-esque covering
>light armor
that's code for leather. maybe kevlar. not something that's supposed to be a weird alien metal.
good thing the alien isn't made of weird alien metal. its made of some organic material that can be shot through with a pneumatic grapple gun
and you're wrong, even by todays standards that would be to penetrate light armored vehicles like humvees or level 3 body armor (usually made of laminated kevlar/ceramic/steel plates). regular light kevlar body armor offers essentially zero protection against regular non-AP rifle ammunition
the fact you even brought up leather pretty much cements you're just disingenuously trolling
sorry bro, the alien was metallic in alien and alien 3. its only cameron that made them bugs. cameron's made a bunch of surface level analysis mistakes, like the one you're making now, and then went on to make entire movies around those mistakes.
answer the two points
>acknowledge my irrelevant quibbling!
nah
>two pieces of clear-cut evidence from the film you reverse so dearly
>one directly taken from a scene from the film
>one from the executive producer/sole story writer of the film
>quibbling
i accept your defeat
... anon the only one who's showing any reverence for a film here, is you, and its for aliens, where james cameron made them into bugs that can be killed with shotguns.
yeah and Alien set the precedent that you can shoot an alien to death, not James Cameron
>that you can shoot an alien to death
with something designed to penetrate the hull of space ships.
and even then the alien wasn't much bothered.
seemed bothered to me since it screamed as its guts flew out, and it let go of the ship. no it didn't die immediately, might've lived hours longer who knows. probably would've died if its neck got blasted apart though.
>with something designed to penetrate the hull of space ships.
conjecture, also insane nonsense that a 10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing round should have less penetrating capability than a pneumatic grapple gun
Pretty weak metal apparently.
Also you are aware that bullets can go through metal right? It's not like a sheet of tinfoil can stop a bullet. Even a modern intermediate rifle round like 7.62x51 can go through almost a quarter-inch of mild steel, and that's not even with an armor-piercing bullet
just because you're mad about losing an argument, over what is factually canon to films/franchises, and are unable to draw your opposition into further pointless arguing, doesn't mean the other guy was trolling.
no what's factually canon is that
-it can be shot through with a grapple gun
-it can be killed by shooting per the lead writer of alien
it gets more legitimized in each sequel
>legitimized in each sequel
because they're drafting off aliens, the most popular/successful one
which drafted off alien which clearly showed that you can shoot an alien
no, aliens was mostly james cameron making a bunch of faulty assumptions based on nothing, and then running with them.
for another example of this, see alita, a movie he waited 20 years to make because he wanted to do anime stylization in "live action," because he thought the main character had big eyes because she was a martian.
>faulty assumptions based on nothing
based on the harpoon and possibly the direct word of the producer and writer of Alien
and why would there be a "harpoon" gun on an emergency escape shuttle?
to secure yourself incase of detachment when outside of the ship, or to secure yourself during decompression
>so HA it WAS designed to penetrate the (possibly armored) hull of the shuttle
sure, given the speed and shape of the harpoon though it must be some two-stage device
>that means that the alien's exterior HAS to be equally as strong as the hull of the shuttle
no
>that means there's no way a rifle bullet could penetrate the hull, or the xeno thusly, or even leather!
no, there's no reason to assume a modern rifle wouldn't penetrate the ship's hull or alien's body, let alone one from the Alien/Aliens era
>james cameron is a moron because bullets cant be armor piercing AND explosive
wrong
oh, thanks for retreading the entire "argument" again, with all your idiotic "retorts," that just quibble around the fact such a device's only logical purpose is to quickly penetrate something quite strong and then spread out, in an emergency situation, so someone won't drift off into space.
>something quite strong and then spread out
hilariously, it spreads out before firing, and still manages to fully penetrate the alien with its arms extended
regardless, its still pneumatic, it still doesnt shoot anywhere near bullet speeds, which means whatever it's designed to penetrate, a bullet should also penetrate
makes sense for a civilian ship with no reason to be armored beyond the minimal required to survive random space debris
also i had to retread all your useless misdirections because you'd just bring them back up
-penetrated by pneumatic grapple gun
-can be shot and killed per producer/writer
you are the dumbest Black person i've ever wasted time arguing on Cinemaphile with but at least the work day went by faster
Dude you're fricking moronic, just give it up, even today there's HEAT, HEIAP, SLAP, and RARDEN type ammuntions that are both explosive and armor-piercing
the fundamental design of any of them could be adapted to ammunition for smaller arms, especially futuristic ones that have managed to solve the heat issues of caseless ammunition
you're talking about multiple types of shells. one of which is designed to "pierce" reactive armor by causing it to "react" prematurely.
and you're trying to turn the "argument" this way because you know you lost the original one, where in alien, the alien was supposed to be some sort of unstoppable killing machine. not just a big bug.
>you're talking about multiple types of shells
no fricking shit sherlock i listed 4 of them, moron
>one of which is designed to "pierce" reactive armor by causing it to "react" prematurely.
irrelevant, its meant to pierce armor then explode
>where in alien, the alien was supposed to be some sort of unstoppable killing machine.
it's literally not. quit bringing up Aliens to sidetrack this arguement and explain--
-the grapple gun (without saying its actually a rocket propelled super grapple gun designed to penetrate neutronium stars)
-the commentary by Ron Shusett, writer of Alien, explicitly saying that if you shoot the alien it dies
>unstoppable
why didn't it just charge them all at once like jason vorhees while bullets bounced off it if it was so unstoppable?
why bother picking them off one by one?
why are you taking the words of a malfunctioning and decapitated robot as some sort of word of god
i'm mostly taking the original space jokey, a life form engineered to be part of a space ship that delivered weaponized aliens to other planets, also the egg-making scene, as indication the "malfunctioning" android wasn't just bullshitting.
he also wasn't malfunctioning, the alien was a higher priority than the crew.
>a life form engineered to be part of a space ship that delivered weaponized aliens to other planets
how the frick do we know that's what he was doing? in the context of Alien that is, not the Prometheus rubbish introduced later
its a reasonable inference what with the ship's cargo bay with its life support fields for the egg bays, that the alien is some sort of engineered tool of the space jockey
i guess it being a weapon isnt clear, could be a bizarre terraforming tool for all we know
well, the ship, the jockey, and the cargo, are all engineered tools of something we didn't see, was the general inference even before damon lindelof wiped his ass with the franchise.
I wasn't the first guy you responded to, asshat.
just correcting the whole "jockey made aliens" thing.
You're trying to corret someone, but you don't even understand the eggs weren't part of the ship. There a cave underneath the Derelict, please watch the movie again without checking your Tik Tok ever ten seconds
>There a cave underneath the Derelict
lol wut where the frick did you get this nonsense, there's a melted hole in the space jockey room on the derelict that leads down to a large bay that is curved in two axis just like the derelict, that has architecture just like the derelict
gonna need some evidence that its actually a cave that the derelict happened to crash on top of
Where did I hear that.. oh that's right from Kane's own fricking mouth. "It's a cave of some sort." If you don't believe that (likely since you're moronic) you can read the screenplay or novelization, both of which would clear things up for you.
Again, less meth, less sugar, less caffeine, try focusing on what you're watching.
the screenplay specifically describes it as stone. and in the film he calls it a cave before he gets a clear view of it. you are an incredible legitimate autist
does the egg bay in the film look anything like rock or natural at all? caves are natural you know, right?
>my personal feelings about it are more accurate than the reports from people who were actually there.
Stop embarrassing yourself, dum dum
i mean you can actually see the egg bay in the film, it's clearly not a natural underground stone formation
No one is saying the cave/cavern is a natural formation. the screenplay is explicitly clear it's underground, and not part of the ship. Don't know why you're trying to argue otherwise.
>the screenplay is explicitly clear it's underground
you are aware there are changes between screenplays and the actual film, right?
if you watch the film. you'll see a large derelict-shaped room with the exact same artificial architecture. At best its an underground facility made by the same species, but the only indication of that is one word from Kane who aside from likely being pumped from the utterly alien environment he's found, probably cant see very well between the lighting and his shitty scratched up helmet. More evidence points towards it being part of the ship due to its shape, and it looking exactly like the rest of the ship
>wasn't malfunctioning
he started bleeding from his head, tried mouthfricking ripley with a magazine, then started having an android seizure before getting decapitated
should probably watch the scene again bro
>one of which is designed to "pierce" reactive armor by causing it to "react" prematurely.
I assume you're talking about HEAT, which is wrong and HEAT has no inherent anti-reactive design, there are modified HEAT designs that are meant to defeat reactive armor in such a way.
>muh metal
lel,
anyone that didnt skip leg day could clearly kick/stomp the frick out of a facehugger.
do you think that a fork and a chunk of armor plate are the same because they're both shiny and silvery? are you 12?
even if the derelict and xeno are made from the same organic technology, a bit of a stretch since the ship fills a vastly different purpose and doesn't have limbs or a mouth or need to move limbs to locomote or the like, assuming that they HAVE to be made from the exact same material is a childish analysis
you keep focusing on the meaningless differences instead of the obvious similarities. not sure why. they weren't just animals until aliens. hell, the only reason the egg-crafting scene was never restored is because the "franchise" is built around aliens now, rather than alien.
>it being some super special unstoppable genius organism was fanon headcanon invented outside the film
It's from the robot's speech in the first movie but that didn't imply invulnerability or anything
no ones saying they're invulnerable, they're demonstrably not. they're just not bugs, as per alien.
yeah i know its from the film
its stated by a robot that was just decapitated, that before decapitation tried to facefrick ripley with a magazine after oozing its 'blood' from its forehead for no discernable reason as it had experienced no physical trauma at that point.
and some people take this malfunctioning android like it's word of god
You don't know much about ammunition. Plenty of ammunition is either not sold to civilians or illegal, depending on jurisdiction.
The round the marines fire is explosive, meaning it has a tiny amount of explosive in the bullet and is not something you can go buy at Cabela's. While that kind of thing is technically legal for civilians in the US, good luck finding anything other than antique stock.
Other types, like armor piercing ammunition, uses tungsten or depleted uranium cores to punch through armor. That is also illegal in some jurisdictions but you can make it yourself.
>marines use exploding rounds
What the frick are you smoking? All branches of the military use 5.56 jacketed rounds. Explosive and hollow point ammo is forbidden by the Geneva Convention.
not the fricking colonial marines. 10mm caseless armor piercing high explosive.
explosive side-arm rounds are forbidden by the geneva convention because all they're good for is maiming fleshy targets.
aliens don't get human rights I guess.
She thought they said illegal aliens and signed up!
media following the first film has consistently noted their hardened exoskeletons being hard to pierce for non-military grade bullets. you can either chalk this up to bullets being made weaker in a future where we are all living in cola can's on mars, or the xeno comes equipped with natural armor.
nice headcanon, there's no such 'notation' in any sequel film
vasquez' 300 year old Smith & Wesson 39 seems to be able to blast one's head open in a handful of shots in Aliens. I guess you could reasonably assume that it's firing modern Aliens-era ammunition, but its still probably firing pistol rounds which should still be noticably weaker than rifle rounds due to the substantially lower space for powder or equivalent and less mass in the receiver/barrel/etc to absorb explosive pressures.
i mean it does look like the pistol takes a few more shots than a pulse rifle to do serious damage, but it's certainly not like the bullets were bouncing off or anything
I said media not film, in isolation it doesn't even get hurt from either the revolver or shotgun, in river of pain they nail a xeno in the ribs with a pistol and note that the bullet gets lodged in the exoskeleton rather then pierce it. the same pistol vasquez has (from memory so might be wrong) also bounces of the carapace before she shoves it into the wall with her foot and fires into the, (subjectively) less armored side of the head.
film is media bruh
cartoons and video games do not supercede the original film, if they blatantly retcon shit then its in their own imagining of the universe
and isolation is either because the creators misunderstood the first film (because they've falled for the 'superior organism' koolaid like morons here on Cinemaphile) or because gameplay necessity required it to be bulletproof to maintain the illusion there was only one xeno. honestly i think it's the former because the idiots have it charging down crowds of survivors armed with guns while bullets bounce off it in scripted and unscripted sections
its a pretty consistent portrayal following the first film is what I was saying. similarly in the first film they never find out if the adult even has acid "for blood", they just guess it does, and it is later confirmed in other media that they just like the facehuggers have a subdermal layer of acid (so not really "for blood")
They do bounce off the other aliens approaching down the vent shaft, if I recall correctly
now that you mention it, they might bounce off the head ridge,
it does end up blowing a hole in the side of the one that attacks them from the overhead vent though
>Thinks that the xeno that can be shot through with a grapple gun, even a space grapple gun, is equivalent to a 'hardened target', ie an armored humvee or someone in level 3 body armor at the least
The xeno is almost certainly tougher than most animals, but c'mon man even you must realize you're being silly
The reason they have their guns taken away is because gormon says they fire 10mm explosive tipped, caseless, light armor piercing rounds
It only got knocked out of the ship with the grappling gun. If it was as fragile as you say Parker would have kick it's shit in.
the grapple pierces the alien and holds it close to the ship.
hell, it even contradicts the idea the grown aliens have acid for blood.
it was knocked out of the ship by the decompression, she shoots it after that. do you morons even watch the movie you purists claim to love?
and my point, either way, was that if that can blast through it, explosive-tipped rifle ammunition sure fricking should
it was holding the door while the ship decompressed, which wouldn't have taken long. she shoots it. the impact knocks it out, but the grappler pierces it and keeps it close to the ship. it tries to climb into an engine, she engages the engine.
fair enough, technically it was outside the ship (outside the door, holding the door frame) after the decompression, but yeah I see what you meant
It's visibly wounded by the harpoon, you can see the giant splash of goo as it's shrieking from the injury. https://youtu.be/U-mmbStFrAA?t=45 (play at 1/4th speed since it's pretty blink or miss). This is also backed up by the actual script, which while not exactly the same as the filmed final scene mentions multiple times that the xenomorph was wounded and bleeding from it.
https://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_shooting.html
Ripley inhales.
Kicks the door open.
INT. NARCISSUS
The Creature rises.
Faces the locker.
Catches the steel shaft through its midriff.
The Alien clutches at the spear.
Yellow acid begins to flow from the wound.
Before the fluid can touch the floor...
Ripley reaches back and pulls the switch.
Blows the rear hatch.
The atmosphere in the shuttle immediately sucked into space.
The bleeding creature along with it.
Ripley grabs a strut to keep from being pulled out.
The Alien shoots past her.
Grab's Ripley's ankle with an appendage.
I can get people back in the day before the internet or easy home viewing of films missing that bit and taking Ash's dying speech about it being invincible too seriously, but there's zero excuse to still believe this shit now.
>The atmosphere in the shuttle immediately sucked into space.
wow what fricking hacks, it gets blown out!
that's explained by answering the question: why was there a harpoon gun on an emergency escape shuttle?
the point of the first movie, that is undermined by removing the egg-crafting scene, is one alien could make as many eggs as victims as it could find, and it would have no trouble finding victims.
egg morphing is what makes them dangerous to the entire human race and why ripley couldn't let even a single one fall into company hands. the existence of the queen makes the drones harmless beyond their ability to kill, that's why they had to retrofit in the ability for drones to become queens through molting. (In itself nothing special, afaik lots of bees are actually all capable of reproducing it is just hormonally suppressed by the existence of a queen)
There's no reason they couldn't do both. I would actually prefer it if regular xenomorphs egg morphed people into queen eggs rather than turning into one themself.
I don't think there's anything saying that cannot happen, so headcanon accepted. kino.
Redpill me on egg crafting scene
when ripley is running around the ship near the end, she finds dallas and the rest of the crew are still alive, except cocooned, presumably being turned into eggs. that's why she tries to cancel the self-destruct.
Why would it turn a person into an egg that then needs another person to make a xeno?
I don't have a confused enough looking anime girl with interrogation marks for this.
The queen makes the lifecycle make more sense
Why does it need to be an existential threat? you complete and utter midwit
why is existential being redefined from "of relating to existentialism" to "a threat to the existence"
lololo look at this seething moron. That is the entire premise of every one of the movies and Ripley outright says it numerous times on numerous movies you fricking moron
I liked it for Aliens. Don't really want one in every movie though as it just becomes a cliche final boss. I liked thay there wasn't one in Alien Isolation and the Xeno has an alternate way to start generating eggs.
Well you don't actually encounter one, however when you are down inside of the hive exploring you actually hear loud sounds and rumbling in the background that heavily implies the presence of a queen... But I completely agree with your point.
I would bite her flesh so her acid can destroy her shackles if you know what I mean
No, it ruined the mystery of the Xenomorph that the first movie established. Turning them into a colony hive of space bugs was lame.
Next time don't watch sequels them. They tend to expand the story because the audience already knows the basics.
This is true, the Alien from the first game was a very different kinda creature than the space ants of Aliens.
Still love both films equally, but yeah the first xeno had this very weird creepy kinda thing going for it, like it could have in fact spoken at the end like as intended in that one dropped ending.
Very different beast..
>from the first game
Frick shit, wtf did I do there.. too used to being on /vr/ it seems.
This
But sincr its still a good movie its best just to enjoy Aliens as its own separate universe. Thats my headcannon anyway
sex (on model)
Is Xenomorph Queen the biggest jobber in the history of jobbers? It's supposed to be the smartest, strongest Xenomorph of them all and in every appearance, every appearance it has, it gets destroyed so cleanly:
>Ripley fends it off in a melee duel using a Power Loader before dropping it into the airlock, even though the Queen is more manueverable, more agile, isn't even taking substantial damage and should be strong enough to easily tip over the Power LLader
>in Alien: Resurrection it sits there and gets b***h slapped by the Newborn
>in Alien: Out of the Shadows it sits there and LETS the crew blow it up
>in Alien: Sea of Sorrows it sits there and LETS the mercenaries blow it up
>these things have died countless times in AvP
It never wins once. I'm not sure if it actually has any kills in canon.
That happens to all the aliens when Ripley needs to protect Newt.
it could be like chickens when they brood. Yeah they'll attack you if you come close, but otherwise they are dumb when they are laying and nesting
fun for an action, but for me Alien is a perfect movie and everything afterwards does't count/don't care
Watched Alien for the first time this week and found it to be better than Aliens, the crew being kidnapped with no follow-up left a bit of mystery and I prefer the cosmic horror element
I think that the deleted scene of egg-morphing was more impactful than any queen/hive dynamic, makes the xenomorph seem like a biomachine instead of a random insect creature
Yea sure, you're totally not just parroting the autist opinions that constantly shit up these threads
Then don't look up what Dan O'Bannon based the alien after.
He wasn't using a bug to inspire another bug. He was looking for weird qualities that were scary and he found a parasitic wasp. That doesn't mean the Xenomorph is a fricking wasp. A company can study birds for an understanding of aerodynamics to make a plane, but that doesn't mean that the plane IS A FRICKING BIRD.
Fricking awesome in Aliens, I still wouldn't make xenomorphs space bugs as a standard. Something more like the perfect organism adapting to take over a colony.
>biomechanical
I always thought the first Xenomorph looked like it copied the host as a whole, in this case a man inside a space suit. The head has a skull inside a cupola, fingers melted together, tubes protruding from the back etc.
>the cosmic horror element
Which is what? It's just a bug monster movie but in space
There's a tiny hint of it with the ancient derelict, though I think most people just keep repeating 'alien is cosmic horror' even though they don't know what it means, just because they think it implies alien is superior to the 'dumb action schlock' aliens
but who gave birth to the Queen™?
The israelites
I nutted on a bug and it grew fungus
The games and comics have a thing where there is a "royal" facehugger that develops into a queen. Or that some drones can change to queens if needed, or something.
That developed from a theory about Alien 3 because the number of facehuggers and hosts it impregnates don't match.
>"royal" facehugger
kek.
His Royal Highness The Prince of Ayy, Duke of LV-426, Earl of Sploded Dropship, Baron of Atmospheric Processing Plant, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Egg..
I Knight Thee
Stop making fun of aliens. It's better than you'll ever be.
probably is. at least I can go to bed now that some one acknowledged my existence.
nighty oh fren. sleep tight.
where did the royal facehugger come from tho?
the ass of whoever wrote alien 3
The Grand Empress Facehugger shat it out during the Coronation of the Duchess of Facehugger
If needed, drones can grow into praetorians, which then grow into new queens if they survive
Gross like a termite queen, I love it
Cool idea and makes sense for Aliens and the expanded universe, but with every appearance it loses impact.
Just like with Star Wars the best thing about the Alien franchise is the Expanded Universe.
And them Alien Covenant made it that they were created by some autistic android. The idea that they were bioweapons created by another alien race was much better. I also wish for a movie trilogy or TV series based on the Rage War book series but that will never happen.
No it didn’t. Who said David created the Xenomorph? There were murals of them on the Prometheus planet. If anything, David is being narcissicist and showing his God complex by trying to recreate and then perfect them in his eyes. Nothing says that he is directly responsible for the events of Alien because that Engineer ship was fossilized it was so old.
I couldn't get into the Rage War Books. I consider the xenomorphs a character in the AvP series, same as predator. Having them be mind controlled by a third party ruins that.
dumb
i dont like to think of an apex predator like the xenomorph as a giant ant
Alien and Prometheus should really be the only movies that are canon. Covenant took it too far.
Ruining the space jockeys is why Scott shouldn't get too much credit for Alien. Like third or fourth most important person. I can watch Alien and Aliens I lost m patience with the rest.
I'm okay with what's canon atm but i like seeing it like this, warrior Aliens and the colonial marines and everything that came along with cameron's film feels much more suited to an action universe like Alien Vs Predator, whereas Alien and Prometheus strip it back to just horror
>Hey guys were going to make Aliens versus Predator movies.
>Should we give them the same feel as Aliens and have them sent in the future in space/other planets with colonial marines, Xenomorphs and Predators engaged in a conflict similar to the video game series?
>Or do we set them on modern day earth with random people and terrible stories that are boring as shit.
Seriously what the frick is wrong with movie producers. Just IMAGINE if the AvP movies were in the same vein as the video games that were in turn heavily inspired by Aliens.
AvP2 is an amazing game
AvP comics were top tier too
The AVP universe is best when its just both races fighting each other, the video games are cool but even in them the humans and human plot lines are the most boring part
jesus christ do you know how movie budgets work? also who is the protagonist? Who the frick is going to talk. You can't have a successful movie without dialogue and the only way this is getting made is if it is heavily CG and even then the costs would be so high it would be a guaranteed bomb. Having humans and setting it on earth is much more reasonable and less cartoony and more affordable and also it would be more intense because you would actually self-insert more easily as humans.
Just play the games, AVP1, 2 and the 2010 game are literally what you’re describing
Yeah but I want it as a movie too.
To date I just don't fricking get it. It's not like it costs that much to just make some bleak looking industrial sets and giving some guys in cosplay armor some nerf guns. Why the frick do they insist on changing the setting to the shitty present?
I seriously have no idea what they were going for with the AvP movies, especially Requiem which was unbelievably bad dogshit in every way.
yeah, at least AVP1 was set in a predator/alien temple, but Requiem was just in some fricking small town, horrible setting for both species, the hospital scene was pretty fun though
Because it's more "relatable"
They could have made an Alien movie set in modern earth that is horror, that's fine, but frick me look at the source material they could have used as inspiration for AvP and they fricking ignored all of it except for the Predalien.
Reminds me of the Doom movie. Instead of making it anything like Doom which involves a god-like space marine fighting hordes of demons in space, earth and hell, they make some shitty resident evil ripoff abomination.
Agree
I'm in fricking stitches mate
why this is sop fricking funny I'm not even drunk yet
>Alien_isolation_final_level.gif
>is actually Aliens: Colonial Marines
hello and welcome to Cinemaphile
> alien 3
queen takes bishop was a brilliant pun
>Good idea?
yeah, better than the idea they hay in 1 where the Alien "crafted" eggs (deleted scene). Also über Ripley in resurrection is a cool idea. How the ideas are implemented is another issue.
I like the eggmorphing scene because it shows that the aliens aren’t useless without a queen, they can still create more aliens, just not as efficiently
I think that's the direction they're taking in the new movies, David had some eggs and still hasn't created a queen yet. Maybe that little sultry b***h from Covenant becomes the first one.
The fact that they were created by a human built android is now canon ruins it until they retcon it.
although, iirc they imply in convenant that he used human ovaries (first movie's girl) to create the egg(s).
It isnt retconned because the engineers ship in Alien/s predates any of the new films, so the canon hasnt changed.
But didn't covenant establish that the Xenomorphs were created by David? Or is Alien Covenant not supposed to be in the same universe as the original Alien films?
>But didn't covenant establish that the Xenomorphs were created by David?
Again no because the ship in Aliens carrying pure xenos predates both the new movie events.
David just messed around with various strains of the black goo and just ended up with the same end product that the engineers had already come too before him.
The whole thing is a mess because Ridley doesnt rememeber what happns in his movies.
Good point, and yeah what a fricking mess. Why even go with shitty prequels anyway. I guess Prometheus was ok but covenant was totally unnecessary, they should have just made something post-resurrection that was a spiritual sequel to Aliens.
Whats really hilarious is that only video games (and the Colonial Marines handbook) have adressed the giant plothole of the ship STILL being there on LV426, surviving the colonys explosion because it was outside the blast radius and behind a mountain range.
according to the expanded universe canon exposure to the black goo always results in xenomorphs, and the facehugger actually injects the host WITH the black goo rather then a embryo.
It's kino. You're a homosexual.
Alien has no prequel.
Only a moron would even acknowledge those stupid flicks from senile RidIey
its safer to blame lindelof though
i hate that so fricking much. senile old ridley scott trying to demystify the xenomorph by trying to explayin every fricking thing and its origins is so moronic. the alien was scary because you knew so little about it; making it a man-made weapon is the worst fricking idea
its more the idea that the lifecycle is
>hug face
>kill initial host
>accumulate biomatter
>turn biomatter into eggs
>remain dormant until fresh biomatter is nearby with face to hug
which means the only reason it wasn't "efficient" is because it was just one alien on a ship with a crew of six.
>ah nooo im in trouble haha she will copulate with me and then eat my head nooo i dont want haha
Iconic.
Why are you chuds obsessed with Elliot Page?
They'll soon be wanting to cancel Alien because there is no trans-alien in any of the films or future films.
They already retconned the other female crew member from Alien into a troony I think.
Bad idea . Boring after 1 movie
Right
It would have been good if they just stopped making Aliens movies after the second one
They could have made Alien 3 have a different lead. Just like Predator 2 didn't need Arnold, not all Alien movies needed Ripley.
I like to pretend that they did. Alien 3 should've been a completely unrelated story if they couldn't get some of the actors back. From the very beginning it's way too obvious that they had problems behind the scenes.
Pleb opinion for happy ending gays.
For me, it never felt right to have the Xenos made extinct so easily and have it end all nice and happy. I like 3's extended cut a lot because it felt like the final frick you of a species that refused to be wiped out, which suits the Xenos perfectly.
Who said they were extinct? It was just a hive from that one derelict ship. There'd surely be more derelicts or even worlds that were taken over by xenos in the past out there
That seemed to be the implication. Otherwise, every single thing Ripley did, including sacrificing herself, was for nothing.
She destroyed that colony and prevented weyland yutani from bringing it back to earth. So in the sense that they don't know where any others are, then for the time being they are extinct. But it'd be so easy for a sequel to say the company found another signal twenty years later in a different sector and now that they knew what they were dealing with, were able to retrieve eggs safely
Extremely sexy, I want to merge with her.
I like the the queen and egg morphing.
>muh Queen
It spawned moron tier renaissance faire bollocks like like Queen Mother Ayy, Empress Ayy, King Ayy, Probably a Dutchess and Earl of Ayy who the frick cares Surprised there's no Wizard and Midget Ayys having battles with Elf ayys at this point.
And each one weaker and less intimidating than the last.
the whole religion angle gets cringe too.
Deacon ayy, Archbishop of Ayy Ayy, Village Vicar Ayy.
ohhh. Ayy on a cross looks like jesus abit..
Frick off
How does such a thin body lay so many eggs?
they aren't formed in the body but in the laying organ that is external to the body. as for where the mass for the eggs come from the aliens generate mass constantly without explaination, from growing rapidly post birth, to the endless saliva, and hive resin secreted by them at will, yet we never see one eat. (though the expanded universe says they do eat corpses and people, and the deleted food storage scene in the first movie implies it ate the nostromos food)
Still waiting on the sequel to Alien Covenant
>After much anticipation it has finally been announced that a new Alien movie is officially in development! According to Variety, the new film which is in addition to the upcoming Noah Hawley Alien TV series for FX, will be directed by Don't Breathe director Fede Alvarez with Ridley Scott attached to produce the film!
>Currently, Alvarez is also working on the film's script, suggesting that the previous script Ridley Scott alluded to being written years back, has been scrapped.
>Variety confirms the new film will be an entirely new take on the Alien franchise and will be "disconnected from the narrative of the three Alien films".
>Unfortunately it sounds like the David story arc left open-ended by Alien: Covenant will remain a mystery for the foreseeable future. But, perhaps a new take on the Alien narrative will borrow from Ridley Scott's established prequel visions.
Massively limited the overall potential of the species itself but a well designed monster overall.
Despite Covenant not doing well, I still firmly believe the Alien franchise is in a better position than PREDATOR.
It's impressive how mismanaged the Predator franchise is. All you need to do is make an action movie and have the Predator hunt the protagonists.
No no no, Predator needs to be an alien invader who's come to Earth to steal our autism.
The predator hunter story has been done to death. The comics/games took it in an interesting direction by showing that their entire society is not actually just hunters, they have other jobs and higher intelligence that matches with their high technology level. But of course, that doesn't make for as interesting big screen movie where normies are only expecting 'muh invisible alien hunter that kills people for a bit then gets defeated yet again'
My idea for making the predator hunter story interesting again is that you have a predator who kills world leaders and persons of high standing. Do a story where the predator blows the president's head off in the middle of a campaign speech, then he guts and beheads the Ayatollah on live television. Next stop: the pope. Our heroes are some agents who have to stop him before he causes a third world war.
People would want to watch a film like that, I think.
Funny i just checked but despite covenant being panned by alien fans, it made back its budget by double.
No, of course not. Just another example of bullshit sequel escalation.
dunno I like the idea more than aliens can just turn humans into eggs.
Better than the borg queen for sure
Voyager writers ruined the 'queen' because they were too brainlet to understand what it was in First Contact
it was sort of unnecessary in first contact (i assume just added so there could be a face for the bad guys for a feature film because a bunch of interchangable drones isn't as exciting), but the 'queen' is just a sort of face for the collective that they use to try to turn data. when data discusses what 'she' and if 'she' controls the borg, 'she' keeps saying how she is the borg and how there is no disunity. she's never even called the queen in the film, alice kreig is just credited as the queen
VOY writers weren't too smart and thought she actually gave orders to drones as a discrete conciousness
Personally, I think that the Drones are sexier.
No, it's fricking stupid how the Xenos were reduced to ants.
Hell no. It's why I never plan to watch the Alien sequels.
Aliens is a fun movie but it ruins a lot of the mystery of the original
Morphing people into eggs is dumb and I'm tired of pretending it's not
there's a reason why that scene was cut from Alien
Xenomorphs were always so fricking cool. Terrifying, frightening, but you can't look away. The design is just eye porn.
Aliens killed the Alien franchise and you fricks buried it by shitting on Alien 3.
>Alien 3
the movie so hopelessly fricked up that even its director abandoned it? so fricked up he didn't even bother trying to save it when offered a directors cut because it was fundamentally ruined in production?
because Alien 3 sucks shit, you contrarian
It wasn't that bad. The original script would have been better than what we got, granted.
He was dishearted, but we did get the Assembly Cut without his involvement.
It's a good idea but only if you include the original eggmorphing method as well.
The eggmorphing is horrific but really inefficient because you need two humans for every one xeno.
well nothing in Alien refutes or discards the eggmorph as a possible method of perpetuation
honestly eggmorphing being the only method would be kinda silly, imagine the space jockey race trying to harvest eggmorphs from captive victims to load up their cargo bay, kinda impractical
the queen only makes sense if it's the xeno that came out of the space jockey, but I always hated the notion of the xeno being different based on what creature it pops out of. Another stupid aspect of Alien 3.
>horror icons are reduced to capeshit tier action figures doomed to fight each other to appease soys
Is there any chance Xenomorphs and Predators can actually be somewhat intimidating again?
no, they're too mundane at this point, there's nothing novel about them. everybody knows everything about them already
both franchises are ruined, so no
Return to Giger's designs and incorporate his Necronomicon. Give the aliens actual penises for heads. Have the film be a surrealist absinthe dream with walls of interlinked wieners and anuses, meld the organic with the inorganic elements. Don't worry about plot, just channel raw Giger perversity into an immersive audiovisual experience. That's how they could really revitalise Alien.
Not without retconning all of the unambiguous lore and starting over.
didn't like the queen
didn't like Newt (or any kids in movies tbh)
don't care if Ripley is never heard from again, including all her kids, cousins, cats, hamsters, etc.
Boring action shit typical of what Cameron would come up with
The creepy cyclical nature of the Alien eggs cut from the original Alien was so much better
Cameron is a hack.
>rips off his own good idea
Nothing wrong with that
>Good idea?
Without a shadow of a doubt. Where Prometheus pretends it's going to answer questions, Aliens actually did (Where do the eggs come from?).
I wanna frick it
just because the xeno had an exoskeleton like a bug doesn't mean it should act like a bug
Cameron can be a giant autist sometimes.
Good idea for my dick, maybe. But reducing the original xenomorph into what's essentially a worker ant was a big mistake.
Bad idea in context of the first movie because it boiled the mystery of the alien down to a form of zoology we can recognise, but it was done so well that it was worth it
nobody cares how powerful the Xeno's armor was, the point of Alien was that they didn't have weapons and had to outsmart it
>didn't have weapons and had to outsmart it
but yeah they had to outsmart it, because likewise the alien had to hunt through its serious animal cunning because the alien itself was vulnerable, not bulletproof
one weapon that gets left behind, hardly counts
there's two possibilities i see as reasonable
-its standard issue on the ship, in which case why only issue one. even if only the captain has access, seems smart to give him 2 to keep order on your ship and valuable mining platform. maybe they did get two and its just locked up so super tight that the crew didnt bother trying to retrieve it
-kane smuggled it on, in which case other space truckers certainly could've smuggled their own weapons onboard, par the course for truckers
just musing, no need to get confrontational
I could see a company like WY not seeing a reason for giving weapons to their space truckers when they're out in space and there aren't space pirates around, except for maybe one for emergency use (someone goes crazy)
what if the bonus situation gets out of hand
They literally had flamethrowers in the theatrical, plus that laser gun in the director's cut
We don't know if the flamethrowers were actually a serious threat to the alien because no one ever gets a chance to use it ,because the alien hunted them all down rather than just charging them while they were armed in the open or something else stupid like that.
xenomorph queen is great (and hot)
ruined
She's hotter as an alien bug thing
>anime lady in a cosplay outfit
No.
alien: 8/10
aliens: 10/10
alien 3 (assembly cut): 7/10
alien 3 (theatrical cut): 5/10
alien ressurection: 3/10
Sword-tongued DSL xeno is best xeno
Past bump limit. Best Alien thread we've had in a while. Thanks everyone.